From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #188 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, June 26 2004 Volume 07 : Number 188 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] DOME [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] pretty weirdsville [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] DOME ["Eric Klaver" ] [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=] Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. [=?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=E9meth_Marce] Re: [idealcopy] Ordier - Bruce Gilbert / Norman Records ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. [=?ISO-8859-2?Q?N=E9meth_Marce] [idealcopy] gas gas gas gas (repeat) [Ari ] [idealcopy] nemeh wrote.... [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. ["P J Kane" ] Re: [idealcopy] Job advert for The Wire ["Ian B" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:02:18 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] DOME > well dan, it's about 60 miles...and at today's gas prices, About #3.20 per gallon so I'm told , being a non-driver Don't you think it's a bloody disgrace how America's thirst for cheap gas causes so much trouble in the world? A > btw, have gas prices doubled outside of the u.s. over the > past year? i know > ours is still cheap compared to what some pay elsewhere, but > it still hurts to > look at $2.25 when it was a buck less about a year ago. > > -paul c.d. > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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Get It Now At www.doteasy.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:54:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. - --- Alistair Tear wrote: > > well dan, it's about 60 miles...and at today's gas > prices, > About #3.20 per gallon so I'm told , being a > non-driver > > Don't you think it's a bloody disgrace how America's > thirst > for cheap gas causes so much trouble in the world? It's not so much that we have,as you put it,'cheap gas' Alistair,it's that the Govt. here doesn't TAX gas as much as yours does,the reason is distances here are 'greater' by far,it is,you know, a pretty BIG country,if we paid what you pay people like myself just wouldn't be able to get around,let alone run a one-man business.(just a little perspective here) Ari > > A > > > btw, have gas prices doubled outside of the u.s. > over the > > past year? i know > > ours is still cheap compared to what some pay > elsewhere, but > > it still hurts to > > look at $2.25 when it was a buck less about a year > ago. > > > > -paul c.d. > > > ************************************************************************* > The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files > are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are > addressed. Transport for London Street Management > hereby excludes any > warranty and any liability as to the quality or > accuracy of the contents of > this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If > you are not the intended > recipient, be advised that you have received this > e-mail in error and that > any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or > copying of this e-mail is > strictly prohibited. > > If you have received this e-mail in error please > notify > postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message > has been swept for the > presence of computer viruses. > ************************************************************************* > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:15:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. A car is a luxury item. Perhaps if people cut out all of the unnecessary trips or buy fuel efficient vehicles they wouldn't bitch about gas so much. People don't complain as much about staying warm in the winter. (You can put on a sweater, but it doesn't do much good when you are trying to get to work.) I understand about running a business, but do what everyone else does and pass the cost on. Let us not forget about all of the petroleum used to make your compact discs, dvds + cases. (I prefer the digipak) There's a lot of plastic out there. Recycling begins at home. wnd3 (Am I turning into a hippie?) Ari wrote: > --- Alistair Tear > wrote: ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:08:18 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. In a message dated 6/25/04 11:58:27 AM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: << here doesn't TAX gas as much >> which is also why i pay more in new york than they do across the bridge in new jersey, or just about anywhere else in the u.s. - -p.c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:15:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. >>A car is a luxury item. << You can only consider it "luxury" if you have an efficient and comprehensive alternative - public transport that works. In America public transport seems appalling, apart from in major city centres (NYC is grotty, but works). Our transport system here is poor - run-down and ruined by ill-conceived thatcherite privatisation - but it is at least joined up in such a way that you can buy a reasonable priced day ticket to get you round London by bus, train and tube. Try doing that round Detroit. >>Perhaps if people cut out all of the unnecessary trips or buy fuel efficient vehicles they wouldn't bitch about gas so much.<< Well, don't strat me off on the US auto industry. Big enough to justify economy of scale, yet insular enough to ignore global trends. hence the growth of huge, inefficient 4x4 vehicles (Suburbans, Expeditions etc) as replacements for the huge, "full-size cars" (ie 3x normal size) that used to predominate. And all this is caused by ludicrously cheap petrol prces - still, despite recent price hikes. The "longer distances" argument won't wash either. Who really travels hundreds of miles by car on a regular basis? Most business travellers take the cheap flight/cheap car hire route these days. And if you had to drive long distances (at a stately 55mph) why do you need a V8-engined off-roader? More efficient fuels (like diesel) exist. But there's no distribution in the US, so auto makers don't offer their diesel models (which in Europe account for around 40% of the total car market). I'll not mention Kyoto. The US withdrawal from that was a total disgrace. It would have been a first step toward bringing the US into line with the rest of the world. No chance as long as teh Texas oil barons have their poster boy in the white house. You know what to do in November. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:15:14 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=E9meth_Marcell?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. I do think distances are the same all over the world. If you live in the country in Europe then it's harder to live without a car as well as in the US (and if somebody lives in the USA I bet it doesn't mean she/he travels across states every day). I think 'wasting' or 'thirst' is the right word indeed, just look at the volume of the US car engines or the number of cars per family. Marci Ari wrote: >--- Alistair Tear > wrote: > > >>>well dan, it's about 60 miles...and at today's gas >>> >>> >>prices, >>About #3.20 per gallon so I'm told , being a >>non-driver >> >>Don't you think it's a bloody disgrace how America's >>thirst >>for cheap gas causes so much trouble in the world? >> >> >It's not so much that we have,as you put it,'cheap >gas' Alistair,it's that the Govt. here doesn't TAX gas >as much as yours does,the reason is distances here are >'greater' by far,it is,you know, a pretty BIG >country,if we paid what you pay people like myself >just wouldn't be able to get around,let alone run a >one-man business.(just a little perspective here) Ari > > >>A >> >> >> >>>btw, have gas prices doubled outside of the u.s. >>> >>> >>over the >> >> >>>past year? i know >>>ours is still cheap compared to what some pay >>> >>> >>elsewhere, but >> >> >>>it still hurts to >>>look at $2.25 when it was a buck less about a year >>> >>> >>ago. >> >> >>>-paul c.d. >>> >>> >>> >************************************************************************* > > >>The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files >>are confidential and >>intended solely for the use of the individual or >>entity to whom they are >>addressed. Transport for London Street Management >>hereby excludes any >>warranty and any liability as to the quality or >>accuracy of the contents of >>this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If >>you are not the intended >>recipient, be advised that you have received this >>e-mail in error and that >>any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or >>copying of this e-mail is >>strictly prohibited. >> >>If you have received this e-mail in error please >>notify >>postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. >> >>This footnote also confirms that this email message >>has been swept for the >>presence of computer viruses. >> >> >> >************************************************************************* > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:40:34 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ordier - Bruce Gilbert / Norman Records - ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Cooke > I worked in Jumbo from 1996 to 2001. Were you one of my customers? > Adrian > Yes indeed Adrian - though not a huge spender in those days. I've been buying from/browsing in Jumbo for over 20 years. First album I ever bought in there was Half Machine Lip Moves (import) by Chrome in 1980 - when Jumbo was in the Merrion Centre. The most recent was Spore by Scanner, just the other day. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. - --- Monochromatic Man wrote: > A car is a luxury item. Perhaps if people cut out > all > of the unnecessary trips or buy fuel efficient > vehicles they wouldn't bitch about gas so much. I don't think anyone WAS bitching,some-one enquired as to the fuel costs in yurope,(in saudi arabia they complain about the price of water when topping up the radiator......just kiddin') > People don't complain as much about staying warm in > the winter. (You can put on a sweater, but it > doesn't > do much good when you are trying to get to work.) why,do the wheels fall off? > > I understand about running a business, but do what > everyone else does and pass the cost on. If I did that everytime there's a price hike I'd be out of business,one has to 'grin and bare it' and swallow the costs at all costs. > > Let us not forget about all of the petroleum used to > make your compact discs, dvds + cases. (I prefer the > digipak) There's a lot of plastic out there. > Recycling begins at home. > > wnd3 > (Am I turning into a hippie?) Not at all,I recycle everything 2-3 times a week sometimes(on my way to different parts of town I pass several recycling centres),and yes,there's a lot of petroleum based software out there,and yes,my next car may well (I hope) be more fuel efficient,but where I live out in the country the nearest bus terminal is 5 miles away,and there's no way I can carry a car full of equipment to a house that could be 10-15 miles from a bus stop.! so I have 2 frigging cars 'cause the smell of the chemicals I use 'lingers' and makes some people (I guess after 20 years I'm used to it) actually feel sick,not an ideal situation but a)that's the price I pay for not living in the city and b) price of property the closer to town one gets would price me out of owning my own place. life's a compromise is it not? Ari > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW > Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to > express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:52:45 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. << I do think distances are the same all over the world. >> in a cosmic sense, a mile is 1.6 km no matter where you are. << If you live in the country in Europe then it's harder to live without a car as well as in the US >> yes, that is true. but what you don't understand is that in large portions of our country, it is difficult (if not impossible) to live without a car, and i am talking mroe than just the "countryside" here. for example, i live in Atlanta. i drive 70 miles round trip each day, between work, school, and home. not too unusual in this city, because we keep moving things farther and farther apart faster than public transit can keep up. my company just moved from a downtown area to a rural area (we do satellites and need fields to put dishes). when we moved, about 1/3 of the staff had to look for new work because there is _no way_ for them to get from downtown to Cumming without a car. i guess they could pay $20 + per day for a taxi, but this company doesn't pay that well..... also, if my car broke down and i wanted to visit my mother, on the other side of the county i (and Jason Rogers i do beleive) live in, there is no way for me to get there short of hiring a taxi. there is no bus, no train, or anything to get across Cobb County GA except a car. and while this isn't urban like New York City, it isn't a bucolic countryside either. like the vast majority of America, i live in a suburban area. and suburbs are too spread out for public transit, and too far apart for you to really walk anywhere. so -- we drive. << I think 'wasting' or 'thirst' is the right word indeed, just look at the volume of the US car engines or the number of cars per family. >> you are making a logical mistake here in assuming that because the country is structured in this inefficient way that we _want_ it that way. from what i have observed, it is our Corporate Overlords who want the USA to be structured like this, and you can forget what the people want. this is good for business because someone, somewhere, is getting rich off of this stuff. i, personally, hate it. but i have no idea what to do to fight it. if you think "democracy" really means anything in our Oligarchic and Plutarchic society over here, then you do not understand this country at all..... it's no longer "Government by the people, for the people, etc." it's "government for corporations, by corporations, etc." one nation, under Halliburton.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 19:58:25 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] DOME - ----- Original Message ----- From: > If it's Dome 1 or 2 you should get it youself. Dome 1 is truly wonderful. > Mark I originally bought Dome 1 in the early eighties and found it quite disappointing. This was one of my early Wire-related purchases, in the wake of A-Z and 154. However, having recently re-acquired a turntable and having a craving for Cruel When Complete I gave it a spin the other night. It made *far* more sense. Incidentally, in my local massive Uber-Tesco they've just installed loads of plasma screen TVs to show us moving images of the items on the shelves below. Anyhow, the looped soundtrack contains what for a very brief moment sounds like the opening of Red Tent 1. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:36:42 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?N=E9meth_Marcell?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. P J Kane wrote: ><< I do think distances are the same all over the world. >> > >in a cosmic sense, a mile is 1.6 km no matter where you are. > To be right in every aspects, it is not true when you drive faster than one sixth of the speed of light. :) ><< I think 'wasting' or 'thirst' is the right word indeed, just look at the volume of the US car engines or the number of cars per family. >> > >you are making a logical mistake here in assuming that because the country is structured in this inefficient way that we _want_ it that way. from what i have observed, it is our Corporate Overlords who want the USA to be structured like this, and you can forget what the people want. this is good for business because someone, somewhere, is getting rich off of this stuff. > I do not find any logical mistakes in my sentence. These are two facts, no major connection between them. I don't think that Europeans are just too modest to buy a large car (in fact they couldn't afford it), but Americans do because they can afford it. If we think globally, and why not, it's wasting. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] gas gas gas gas (repeat) i, personally, hate it. but i have no idea what to do to fight it. if you think "democracy" really means anything in our Oligarchic and Plutarchic society over here, then you do not understand this country at all..... it's no longer "Government by the people, for the people, etc." it's "government for corporations, by corporations, etc." one nation, under Halliburton.... PJK right on P.J,even in (some ) U.S cities where there IS a bus service,the distances one needs to cover can be enormouse,if one lives in north L.A and one wishes to visit some-one in south L.A one is talking 30-40 miles,the amount of bus changes to get to a 'particular' destination could involve (with waiting for connections etc.) half a day,may as well take a couple hours drive through congested streets than stand at bus stops getting rained/snowed/beaten by the heat of the sun,mugged,missed buses,smelly buses,beggars,thieves,junkies,need I go on?.Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] nemeh wrote.... >>I do not find any logical mistakes in my sentence. These are two facts, no major connection between them. I don't think that Europeans are just too modest to buy a large car (in fact they couldn't afford it), but Americans do because they can afford it. If we think globally, and why not, it's wasting.<< Agreed,except that I oft take off to visit my ex wife,who lives only 1,200 miles or so from me,and takes a day and a half to get there.to do that in a car of european proportions would have me in a mad house (or in a hospital) in no time at all,my '99 Nissan Altima SE is small enough,being over 6 foot tall,even if I lived in europe I'd be looking at at least a car the size I have,your not gonna tell me those tall Swedes drive around in an itsy bitsie nsu or one of those 3 wheel gizmo's....................Ari ' Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:16:30 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: cheap gas............. << To be right in every aspects, it is not true when you drive faster than one sixth of the speed of light. :) >> doh! i always forget that one.... << I do not find any logical mistakes in my sentence. These are two facts, no major connection between them. I don't think that Europeans are just too modest to buy a large car (in fact they couldn't afford it), but Americans do because they can afford it. >> is it that we can afford it, or that we are brainwashed into thinking it's the right thing to do, or that we really don;t have all that many other options? it's a little complex, really. << If we think globally, and why not, it's wasting. >> life is waste. you cannot exist without it. Americans do waste more, and slowly people are becoming aware of that fact. but it will take time.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] P.J sed.......... life is waste. you cannot exist without it. Americans do waste more, and slowly people are becoming aware of that fact. but it will take time.... PJK I think it's already happening,I have a visitor from Wolverhampton here right now,she was amazed at the amount of re-cycling centers we have and all the bins in front of houses with seperated glass/plastic/paper compartments for council pick-up,the centers are for folk like me that live too far out for local councils to cover,her comment,and her 21 year old son's was 'we' (britain) need to follow this example.............so we ain't as bad as some would make out eh guys? Ari New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:01:45 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Job advert for The Wire Apologies in general, but this arrived in my inbox and may be of interest to others on the list Ian The Wire requires a Web Editor to run the magazine's website. This is a creative, editorial position that requires a full range of journalistic abilities plus good coding skills (HTML, PHP, etc). It is a part time position (approx 3 days/week). To apply, mail a brief introductory letter to tony@thewire.co.uk - - Tony Herrington Editor-in-Chief & Publisher THE WIRE MAGAZINE Mail to: tony@thewire.co.uk Direct line: +44 (0)20 7422 5025 THE WIRE MAGAZINE 2nd Floor East 88-94 Wentworth St London E1 7SA UK Tel: +44 (0)20 7422 5010 Fax: +44 (0)20 7422 5011 www.thewire.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:47:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] nemeh wrote.... >>Agreed,except that I oft take off to visit my ex wife,who lives only 1,200 miles or so from me,and takes a day and a half to get there.to do that in a car of european proportions would have me in a mad house (or in a hospital) in no time at all<< This just proves just how coccooned from the rest of the world you are in America. The fact that you even consider a round trip of 2,400 miles to be feasible by car (and an Altima, though not sold here, is not that much bigger than the European standard). The cost would be prohibitive - 2,400 miles at 30 miles per gallon would be 80 gallons. The average price of petrol per gallon in the UK is UKP3.95 - so you'd be looking at a cost of 316 pounds - 577 dollars at current exchange rates - in petrol alone, not to mention wear and tear on your car. Surely flying and renting a car at the nearest airport has to be a cheaper option, even at US petrol prices? You'd save money, save a lot of time and do far less environmental damage. >>even if I lived in europe I'd be looking at at least a car the size I have,your not gonna tell me those tall Swedes drive around in an itsy bitsie nsu<< Only if they were classic car fans. The last NSUs were made around 1971. >> or one of those 3 wheel gizmo's....................<< Sadly even the Reliant Robin has been consiged to the dustbin of history. Or perhaps converted into a dustbin. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:18:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] mark inquired.. Surely flying and renting a car at the nearest airport has to be a cheaper option, even at US petrol prices? You'd save money, save a lot of time and do far less environmental damage. yup,truth is I ain't stepped on to an airoplane since that fateful day.....................can't bring myself to do it,as for environmentaly better (flying vs. driving) not too sure 'bout that one but I suspect the car would,in the long run,be better.......Ari __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #188 *******************************