From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #180 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, June 18 2004 Volume 07 : Number 180 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Choastrophy [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] [idealcopy@smoe.org] OT: The Cure on Johnathan Ross's show last Friday ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Choastrophy From the Podewil site: 06/21+ 06/22 8pm gmb-H (KAOSS v KAOSS) German premihre Graham Lewis (Wire)(G), Bruce Gilbert (Wire)(G), Carl Michael von Hausswolff (S), Rikard Sporrong (S), Charles Poulet It is not the legendary Punk-Rock-Band Wire. But the experimental "Subprojects" by musicians Graham Lewis and Bruce Gilbert are not the less legendary. For the first time in Germany the two present joint projects with the Swedish collegues in a two-part programme. In the course of this they will reflect musical works of the past twenty years such as Dome, Oscid, H.A.L.O. or He Said. Attitudes from Punk, Rock and Noise blend into great sound worlds full of contrasts. "I was never into music particularly, but sounds." (Bruce Gilbert) "Gmb-H (kaoss v kaoss)" is the worldwide first performance of the project gmb-H, that includes artists Edvard G. Lewis, C.M. von Hausswolff and B.C. Gilbert. Lewis and Gilbert have been founding members of the british band Wire, founded in 1976. In 1980 they initiated the lable, performance- and recording project Dome. Further cooperations include recordings with Mute (Duet Emmo), Daniel Miller, Cupol, Po, He Said and IBM. The works of both artists deal with art, dance, film and TV. At the moment Gilbert lives and works in London, Lewis in Uppsala, Sweden since 1988. The artist/composer C.M. von Hausswolff is internationally renowned for his solo projects as well as for his collaborative, conceptual works on a very broad field of activity. In 1994 Hausswolff and Lewis founded together with Jean-Louis Huhta the electroacoustic improvisation project Oscid and later the record Label Origin Records, which brought out besides others Oscid, He Said, Omala and Hox. Lewis and Gilbert are citizens of the kingdom Elgaland-Vargaland, of which Hausswolff is King Michael I. Gmb-H is supported by the Swedish audio/visual-technichian Rikard Sporrong and Charles Poulet. Entrance fees 06/04, 06/10, 06/13, 06/14 10/7 05/27, 06/19, 06/21, 06/22 11/8 organ concert 06/12 5 evening concert 06/12 10/7 tickets for both concerts 06/12 10 portrait discussion 06/09 for free __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:53:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [idealcopy@smoe.org] OT: The Cure on Johnathan Ross's show last Friday > The band performed well enough, though, and looked to me as though they were enjoying themselves. For those who >didn't see it, they performed two songs, right at the end of the show as a 5-piece:- they did their new single, which was good >enough at first listen, but who's name has temporarily left my mental airspace, and a decent rendition of "In between days" to >round off with. Wasn't sure about the new single, but I was enjoying it more and more as it went on. I'd forgotten what a little gem Inbetween Days is actually! > Just one thing was a bit jarring though:- like, I *know* it's part and parcel of his image, and all that, but I think Robert's >makeup is getting to the point where what once made him look waif-like, in an attractive, elegantly wasted way, now is in >danger of making him look like a dipsomaniac drag queen who hasn't noticed their cosmetic adventures have run, or have >been put on cock-eyed, or worse still, just like one of those sinister ventroloquist's-dummies-come-to-life that you saw in a >few 50's horror flicks. Neither look, is what you'd call arresting, at least not in a good way. Is it time to put the lippie & eye->liner away, Robert? I found it sort of re-assuring that Fat Bob still looked like that. It seemed kinda comforting that whatever else has changed in the world and how old we're getting, Robert is still going for that same smeared lippy look! K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:16:09 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [idealcopy@smoe.org] OT: The Cure on Johnathan Ro ss's show last Friday Which reminds me of the time, I can't remember what tv show it was that they were on, around the time of 'Pornography' I guess...camera close-up on Bob, singing into one of those balloon (?) mikes, he managed to transfer some lippy onto the mike and from there to the end of his nose and spent the rest of the performance with a perfect circle of bright red lipstick on his nose... hilarious! A > I found it sort of re-assuring that Fat Bob still looked like that. It > seemed kinda comforting that whatever else has changed in the > world and how > old we're getting, Robert is still going for that same > smeared lippy look! > > K. > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:32:44 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members Keith Astbury wrote: > I believe those who are into WIRE are old Well that cheered me up no end ; ) didn't bother me one bit,i AM old.........Ari >>>>> AND a cross-dressing "auntie" ; ) RL - who couldn't resist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:37:33 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members Anstasia wrote: > I have to say political correctness has gone crazy in today's world. I > believe you can overcome it by treating people with respect. > > Anyway it does seem like a boys club here and that is fair enough, I > certainly don't want to be cramping your style. and Tim replied: What style? There is no style here. Even less during a major Football event. >>>>>>> i say: i dunno about that Tim....Ari has great taste in women's pumps and Keith A.'s eye for feather boas and leather trousers is impeccable... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:31:06 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tim I originated the original complaint about someone using 'Girl' as a term of abuse in a football chat. It stuck in my craw, but no-one else on this list cares. - -------------- I think that's because the perceived offence isn't that great. Derek was referring to a particular player in a context defined by how he is perceived by a TV comedy programme. It may not be a phrase I would use to describe Owen Hargreaves but it's hardly a hanging offence. It also brings up various questions about sexist language in our society these days. I - as someone who grew up when feminism held sway among the women I hung out with - would think twice about using 'girl' to describe women over, say 16. But its now a term which has to some extent been reappropriated by women, as has 'chick' - Girl power, Girly night out, Chick Lit, Chick Flick are all phrases now used by most women, certainly young women. So is the offence in using it unironically? And is it more of an offence to use it to describe a man? Or is there in fact hardly any offence left in the word? As for not talking about Euro 2004, it's one of the things that occupies my waking hours at present (I'm writing this between two matches) as it does a number of Euro listers. So it's natural it'll crop up. Along with Big Brother, Jonathan Coe's biography of B S Johnson and Saturday's upcoming Blondie gig it's all encompassing for me for the next week outside family life, work and these e-mails. Another the Keith (pointedly not mentioning the dreadful England performance I have just sat through, oh no) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 21:58:13 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Acid Mothers Temple in Atlanta on Tuesday > the show has been moved from The Echo Lounge to The EARL. (basically a block down Flat Shoals Road....) > > here's the Echo Lounge website: > http://www.echolounge.musictoday.com/EchoLounge/calendar.aspx > > and here is the Earl: > http://www.zerotec.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?AFFIL=464O0PaF&Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=ztec001&Category_Code=venue_Earl > > $10, doors at 9. EARL is 21 and over, so anyone between 18 and 21 who thought they could get into the Echo show is screwed.... > > i am still trying to get the scoop, but i went up there on Friday to see the Legendary Pink Dots, and the Echo got shut down. > > so -- are any other local ICers planning on going to that? Dan? man, i just bought a new computer, opting to pay at least twice as much for quality as quantity (or maybe i'm just stupid) by going through a local shop instead of one of the chain-stores-in-a-box ... only way i'm going to a show *anywhere* anytime soon is if you or someone else up there volunteers to swoop down here & get me & pay for the ticket to boot. hmmm. or maybe you meant dan rose. never mind. dan, marveling at finding himself with a computer that produces *sound* ... my previous (& first) machine stopped doing that back in 12/00 Jason? uh... there's another one of us, but i forget the other name... > anyhoo -- if you are drop me a line and we can meet up for a pint! > > PJK > > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:46:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IdealCopy = Sexist Euro2004 Chat!: An alleged'sexist' speaks.. ///// Here we go again......... Tim wrote: Hey guys I got it all wrong! > > > >>I had a few beers last night with a mate - in no way is he sexist > or > anything like that- but he did have a great green T-Shirt on which > said. Football is > NOT for Girls with a small motif of a matchstick girl with a skirt > on & a > bar running through it.It causes conversation wherever he bumps > into women !<< Ho Ho! There's fun! Gosh what a clever guy *he* is...no way is he "sexist or anything". I love the way he can still wear that t-shirt in an "ironic" way! Gosh how very "Post-Loaded-Post-Baddiel&Skinner" And chicks love all that don't they? ///// This is 'ironic' , right? Or just sarcastic? > This is part of an ad promotion for Yorkie bars.There are some amusing > TV variants of this - the referee ordering a throw-in to be retaken in a > women's football match after repeated 'girly' throws etc. Ho Ho! Sounds hilarious! And its OK because its a Yorkie Advert so that means its *not* sexist or offensive. Its advertising chocolate..and women love that don't they? And kittens! And knitting! /// I think he IS being sarcastic. >>Oh & Hargreaves is a girl.<< > > In the recent Alistair McGowan/Ronni Ancona 'Sven & Nancy' show one of > the sub-lots is that Hargreaves is in fact a woman. Tee Hee. Hope he does another hour long show about Posh n Becks being Thick...endless comedy mileage out of that one and it never gets boring does it?. Ho Ho. What a comic genius he is. //// More withering sarcasm..... but it's not MY purveiw to defend A McG & R.A. , as circumstances went, I didn't choose the TV channel, and your intended barb just whistles on by. Presumably you meant to nail me as a boring lummox by association:-if so, you missed. By a mile. >>And Derek you're right, I now realise it is OK to use 'Girl' as a term >>of abuse because its all about football and its a MANS game after all. Of course you >>are *not* a sexist pig, and you're so sure about that you >>wrote a short essay to explain why you aren't one so thats cleared that >>up. ///// Ah. This is aimed specifically at me. Yes, I am sure about that. But you'd have to ask girlfriends past and present about that for verification, I guess, and even then , with sworn affadavits, you probably wouldn't believe it. But I digress........... D'you seriously want to make it a personal issue, as I've no real wish to: however.....? I wrote a 'short essay' as you put it, not to try and convince *yourself* of my non-sexism, or otherwise, as in my experience, the ultra-orthodox PC brigade like yourself never get convinced by *anything* where your *own* prejudices are concerned, but I *didn't* want to let your assertions slide by unchallenged, and I thought I'd try by way of reasoned argument, although if you want the two-or-three line "abridged version", we can do that, too..... I *could* have just put something like 'Climb down off your SWP soapbox, and come and join the rest of us mere mortals in the real world' ,but thought I'd put the effort in. Frankly, I couldn't care a flying philadelphia f*** whether you, or your grey, fist-clenching ilk of ultra-proletarian morality police think I'm a sexist or not, except to the extent that I take hearty exception to being thus categorised by somebody who knows absolutely diddly-squat about me or how I conduct my life, and relationships with (gasp) women. To my mind, you qualify as a sexist if , across the *entirety* of their being, you regard one sex as being inferior to the other, and behave as such. I DON'T . To my way of thinking, if you treat all people as your equal, without prejudice, then you won't become "any kind of -'-ist', but are you seriously suggesting that men & women don't have different strenghs and weaknesses? It doesn't follow that it's true for each & every individual, and I know some women that, for instance, are physically far stronger than some men, but averaged out, over the human species blah blah........We surely don't have to go through the minutiae of human attributes to arrive at that conclusion? You get the point?? To return to the original context that I made the remark in, *in general*, a woman or girl playing in men's football is at a distinct disadvantage; and I speak as someone who, as a result of a similar argument to this watched the lamentable spectacle of a team of women footballers play against a team of men. The 'pub disagreement' was turned into a charity event, but it was as tedious as it was predictable, and I left when the score was 16-! 0 about ten minutes into the second half. They weren't bad players in their own right, they just weren't as fast or strong. Biological fact, I'm afraid, and no amount of being PC will compensate for that, which is why every sports body on the planet have separate sections for men and women. How does it then follow that because I recognise this, I'm guilty of some heinous thoughtcrime? Clearly, Tim, you aren't a football fan:- do you even know *who* Owen Hargreaves is?? (The original subject of my post if you recall):- do you not think he is in the slightest effeminate-looking?? And NO football isn't entirely a man's game , either. There's millions of women playing in N.America, and there's a thriving women's game here, too. I watched a considerable number of games in the last two women's World Cups, and more recently, all 90 minutes of the W.F.A. cup final (Arsenal won,-quelle surprise!):- I don't dismiss it: but having watched these games I feel I'm in a position to say "It's a different game". But we're into nit-picking here: what I'd like you to do , Tim, is find me the bit in my essay where I say "Women are inferior" or I specifically diss women:- I'll save you the effort:- You won't find it. Let me restate it, loud and clear, WE ARE EQUALLY WORTHY OF RESPECT AS HUMANS. We are however, different, If you don't concede this, then you clearly haven't been paying attention. Now, you can play your little nit-picking semantic games with *that* if you like, but I don't see how I could put it any plainer. ////// I tell you what as well everyone, I'm so glad this list exists as where else would I be able to find comment about Euro2004? Here in the UK, No one seems to be talking about it in the newspapers, TV or Radio so really, this list is the only place I can access information about that. So folks, I owe it to you to keep me informed about this underground, obscure sport! More Football chat on this list please! Keep it coming! ////// Oh we're back to more withering sarcasm....... I 'd like to refer you to the very sensible words here said:- by Tisbili, I believe:- >IN my world, where I set the rules, people are different and there's a >difference between an offhand comment or making a joke and being a sexist or any >other kind of "ist." Thank you. Now there's an individual with something absent from your ranting and raving and drooling , T:- A sense of *perspective*. An appreciation of context. Now Tim, please: unless and until you can appreciate the difference between being "any......kind of -ist" and "an offhand comment", without rattling off some kind of rabid polemic in a hypertense frenzy, please do me a favour, and where you see my handle in your inbox, just hit the 'delete' button, and we'll probably both be happier. You must be a *real* bag of laughs at parties. Finally, Anastasia, thanx for your comments regarding the dearth of female listmembers:- as I think that perhaps that *SOME* of the questions you addressed to Tim were , in all probability, meant for me, I'll try to answer you in regard to those...... First off , though, I think that you perhaps mistook Tim's sledghammer 'irony' for genuine put-downs, as you read through the relevant post. >>> I really don't have to justify myself to you or anyone really:-just don't have a closed >>>mind on women.:- //// Indeed you don't:- see the above. >>> I am serious I maintain my lawns and gardens better then any man. ///Certainly, you'll be better than me, as I tend to avoid any horticulture where possible...;-) >>>Tim I wonder what you are good at? Sorry you feel that you have to put women down. //// I think Ana's missed the' irony', Tim...... In case you are directing this to *me*, as my words were in there too, let me answer:- I can do *some* things very well indeed, I'm mediocre at others, and pretty bloody awful at *some* stuff- we surely could live without a catalogue of what, exactly.... In short, I'm an average, ordinary flawed human being with good points and bad. I'm also pretty easy-going, except when someone deliberately 'has a go'. AND I NEVER, repeat, NEVER PUT WOMEN DOWN IN ANY OF MY POSTS. And I didn't see anyone else here doing so, either. Clear, Tim ? Please get some perspective. Or help. Or maybe, you could take the following advice. If I recall correctly, you live in Manchester, in the NW of England: only about 60 or 70 miles from me, as the crow flies, as it happens. A short bus ride from you, there are two towns in Burnley and Oldham that have elected themselves politicians from the Neo-Nazi British National Party:- these are people who are as un-PC as it is possible to be, and are truly deserving of your ire: - why don't you put some of your considerable (self-?) rightous indignation to GOOD use, and go to these places, and see what you can do to expose them/campaign against them/unseat them? That would be a far more PRODUCTIVE use of your PC credentials than playing frankly silly semantic games, and clickety-clacking another load of bile into your computer keyboard aimed at utterly innocent remarks by my good self and others on this list. Or is that too much like putting your belief where it *really* counts? At the risk of drawing more scorn at comedy shows of which you disapprove, you are veering dangerously close to self-parody here, in that the last missive you sent,portions of which appear here, are redolent of nothing so much as an amalgam of 'Rick' from 80's show The Young Ones, and cartoon character 'Millie Tant'. Give me a break, and as I previously said, save your best shots for those who *really* deserve it. Tim, I hope this is the last time I have to respond to ridiculous assertions, as frankly, life's too short, and you've already had more of my time and effort than you warrant. dw PS:-On a slightly different tack:- To the rest of the list: how about if I set up a sort of 'sub-list', where those of us who are interested *can* discuss Euro 2004 without clogging up the inboxes of those who couldn't care less? If all you footie fans e-mail me indicating your interest, I'll compile them into the CC/BCC line, and redistribute to those others on the list. That way , everyone's happy? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:07:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Supporting Roxy Music > Well jealous of the fact you saw RM in 72....well beyond teh aspirations of my 11-year-old self at that time ! > > Mark Our RE teacher, Mr Kerfoot Owen (named cos he deserves it) used to take us to gigs. I had my name down to see Roxy in 1974, but he had to c*ncel it due to lack of interest. So I went to see Uriah Heep instead. Drat! This is how great the guy was... There was a petrol shortage early 79. He rang me up at home at the weekend before to tell me to keep it quiet that we were going to see Elvis Costello as he didn't want the head to know he'd driven us to Manchester when there was a very real possibility that he wouldn't be able to re-fuel in the forseeable future (and therefore not be able to get to school!) All this and he couldn't get a ticket himself. He sat in his car, marking pupils homework, under a street lamp. He retired a few yrs back, and fittingly my eldest son was one of the pupils in the retirement photo of him in the local paper. Sent him a card belatedly thanking him for his troubles. After all, I wouldn't have seen T.Rex without him. Kerf. I salute you! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:22:36 GMT From: "P J Kane" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Acid Mothers Temple in Atlanta on Tuesday << hmmm. or maybe you meant dan rose. never mind. >> well, i was actually referring to our Mr. Rose, who is only 1.5 hours away in scenic Columbus, GA. he had previously mentioned a predilication for said band, so i thought perhpas he would be making a weekday trek. however, Mr. Bailey -- where are you located? Alabama, is it? i thought that there was a 'Bama listie.... << dan, marveling at finding himself with a computer that produces *sound* ... my previous (& first) machine stopped doing that back in 12/00 >> ooh. new hardware. what kind did you get? or is it 100 % custom? i tend to build my own, which means i have 2 more-or-les functional desktops with mondo storage and spotty CD burners... anyhoo, in the end of it all i didn't make it to the Acid Mothers Temple show either as the storm that afternoon caused the power to go out in Roswell, GA, which is between where i work and live, so it took me over 2 hours to get home that night. my car is a manual transmission too, so you can imagine how much agony i was in after that much bumper-to-bumper traffic.... so i stayed home and went to bed early. alas..... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members RLynn9@aol.com wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members Keith Astbury wrote: > I believe those who are into WIRE are old Well that cheered me up no end ; ) didn't bother me one bit,i AM old.........Ari >>>>> AND a cross-dressing "auntie" ; ) RL - who couldn't resist Can't resist cross-dressing aunties eh?boy,do you need help..................actually the last time I 'dressed up' for a 'fancy dress' party I wore a condom on the end of my nose...................when people asked me who I'd come as I'd reply 'fuck nose'..........Ari(with appologies to Anastasia and Tim for not being P.C)............not that my computer cares you understand. Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:01:19 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Regarding Female List members > Another the Keith (pointedly not mentioning the dreadful England > performance I have just sat through, oh no) It was almost as bad as the Wrexham / Bournmouth debacle I went to early last season!! As for Croatia the match... Be afraid. Be very afraid ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:06:16 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Acid Mothers Temple in Atlanta on Tuesday > << hmmm. or maybe you meant dan rose. never mind. >> > > well, i was actually referring to our Mr. Rose, who is only 1.5 hours away in scenic Columbus, GA. he had previously mentioned a predilication for said band, so i thought perhpas he would be making a weekday trek. > > however, Mr. Bailey -- where are you located? Alabama, is it? i thought that there was a 'Bama listie.... yep. i'm some 2.5 hours away in scenic-but-benighted montgomery. > > << dan, marveling at finding himself with a computer that produces *sound* ... my previous (& first) machine stopped doing that back in 12/00 >> > > ooh. new hardware. what kind did you get? or is it 100 % custom? lemme dig out the boxes everything came in ... looks like i've got as asus crw-5332as. what this actually *means*, i have no idea. apparently i can now burn stuff off the internet, which i trust will prove to be a good thing & a nice complement to my stereo-component cd recorder. i tend to build my own, which means i have 2 more-or-les functional desktops with mondo storage and spotty CD burners... > > anyhoo, in the end of it all i didn't make it to the Acid Mothers Temple show either as the storm that afternoon caused the power to go out in Roswell, GA, which is between where i work and live, so it took me over 2 hours to get home that night. my car is a manual transmission too, so you can imagine how much agony i was in after that much bumper-to-bumper traffic.... no doubt. i read somewhere recently that only something like 17 percent of cars sold over here are manuals, which is all i've driven since obtaining a fiat 128 (or was it 124?) sports couple back in 8/80 or so. god, people are lazy. why, i hear there's such a thing as *power steering* these days, a concept with which i'm completely unfamiliar except when driving someone else's vehicle. god, dan (bailey, not rose, who'll have to speak for himself on this matter) is cheap. dan so i stayed home and went to bed early. alas..... > > PJK > > please don't hate me because i can't type..... > --- > All the cool kids are doing it: > HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:15:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] O.T a bit of light amusement........... Nifty Math Trick 1. Grab a calculator. (You won't be able to do this one in your head.) 2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number. (NOT the area code.) 3. Multiply by 80 4. Add 1 5. Multiply by 250 6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number 7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again. 8. Subtract 250 9. Divide number by 2 Do you recognize the answer? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:08:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wilco on Letterman tonight.... Ari and any other Wilco fans take note...tonight the band will play live on Late Night With David Letterman .....sorry for the late notice back to your regularly scheduled Euro 2004 and Overly PC discussions RL (happy as all get out that the LA Lakers got crushed by Detroit in the NBA finals) p.s. you should see the discussions about football on the Coil list! old men talking of how much they'd like to shag David Beckham..and wondering if he's a "power-bottom" ...to lusting after boys in shorts in general so ya see Tim,...it's not really so bad here afterall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:37:42 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wilco on Letterman tonight.... At 10:08 PM 6/17/2004 -0400, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >Ari and any other Wilco fans take note...tonight the band will play live on >Late Night With David Letterman .....sorry for the late notice Wasn't that last night? Later notice than you thought... ;-) not that later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:24:45 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T a bit of light amusement........... On Thursday, Jun 17, 2004, at 19:15 America/Detroit, Ari wrote: > Nifty Math Trick > > 1. Grab a calculator. (You won't be able to do this one in your head.) > 2. Key in the first three digits of your phone number. (NOT the area > code.) > 3. Multiply by 80 > 4. Add 1 > 5. Multiply by 250 > 6. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number > 7. Add the last 4 digits of your phone number again. > 8. Subtract 250 > 9. Divide number by 2 > > Do you recognize the answer? abcdefg = 1/2 [((abc)*80+1)*250 + 2(defg) - 250] ; seeing every step except the 'add one' is divisible by two (combining 6&7), then: = ((abc)*80 + 1)*125 + (defg) - 125 ; now it's clear the 'plus one' in the middle is really a way to add the 125 that is subtracted later. since 80*125 = 10000, (abc)*80*125 = abc0000. then you add the last four digits! abc0000 + (defg) = abcdefg. the 'plus one' is superfluous, since it gets subtracted back out in the last term. and the doubling of the non-phone number terms only serves to make the intermediate results less obvious as you perform the operation. same with separating steps six and seven. thanks Ari! that was lightly amusing. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #180 *******************************