From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #171 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, June 9 2004 Volume 07 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Rockpalast [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Yikes [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast ["Uri Baran" ] [idealcopy] Best guitar solo...ever! ["Glenn & Cecile" ] RE: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) [Derek White ] RE: [idealcopy] Wireviews update [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update [Ari ] [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Let's Put an Ad on Arabic Television [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) [Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Rockpalast Regarding the NTSC R0 Rockpalast, Mark pretty much hit the nail on the head. For a DVD that's so niche, it makes sense to offer it in a 'worldwide' format (or the one that the most potential buyers are likely to be able to play). To allay the fears of R2 people, I have a number of US R1 NTSC DVDs, and the majority play fine on my set-up (a 'factory hacked' Panasonic DVD player, which you'd be able to pick up for #100 these days; and a Samsung TV that has an NTSC mode). When an NTSC DVD is detected, the TV changes modes (most modern TVs do this, which also helps with modern video games, most of which are created at 60Hz in NTSC). The result is an image that's slightly less detailed, due to the lower resolution of NTSC, but that has a higher refresh rate, and is therefore less jerky. Colours on NTSC on *DVD* (not television) are usually fine, and much is down to the conversion process (as with any DVD). I just hope Wire's got someone good on board to do the transfer! Given a choice between an NTSC Rockpalast and nothing at all, I know what I'd go for. I also thought the bundled CD was a nice touch, enabling you to listen to the audio (or rip to MP3/WMA for your portable player) without having to play the DVD. Craig ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:34:58 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update > > NTSC has > > less lines and an inferior > > colour scheme to PAL. > > Oh - don't even get me started on this! (^_^) > > As an (ahem) NTSC viewer, I could mention the slower frame rate of most PAL > systems - 25 vs. 30 fps - which leads to easily perceived flicker or PAL's > "Hanover Bars" phenomenon - but I won't. (^_^) Attempting to avoid support of TV encoding formats on a patriotic basis seeing how PAL is German and NTSC US, I can can claim some objectivity except that the UK standard is PAL as well. In simple terms, PAL has 20% more lines and hence 20% more information/detail than NTSC. SECAM is French and so exists probably for that reason only. The most important thing is that the Rockpalast performance is superb and its a shame we've had to wait a quarter of a century for its proper emergence. Uri ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:27:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Yikes > >>On a different note, read this elsewhere... > > >I was recently watching a TV programme about former Happy Mondays frontman > and drug glutton Shaun Ryder, he was >doing a promotional sort of 'come > back' appearance in Australia at some club, and who was in his makeshift > backing group >playing Bass Guitar?.... none other than Stephen Mallinder > (yikes!).<< Indeed, I noted this a while back. Mal has lived in Oz for several years now, and plays on Shaun's recent album (Amateur night in the Big Top). Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:18:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. NY TIMES OBIT... June 8, 2004 Robert Quine, 61, Punk Rock Guitarist, Dies By BEN SISARIO Robert Quine, a noted guitarist of the New York rock scene of the 1970's and 80's who played with Richard Hell, Lou Reed and others, died last week in his home in Manhattan. He was 61. He was found dead by the police on Saturday, said James Marshall, a friend. The police found a note and said they believed the death was a suicide but are awaiting a medical examiner's report. Mr. Marshall said he believed Mr. Quine died on May 31. In the loud world of New York punk, where crude simplicity trumped most conventional notions of musical skill, Mr. Quine stood out as a stylish virtuoso. His guitar, first heard on "Blank Generation," the 1977 album by Richard Hell and the Voidoids, borrowed equally from rockabilly, jazz and the Velvet Underground, giving the music a quick, agitated pulse and an explosive power. "He was an extraordinary mixture of taste, intelligence and rock 'n' roll abilities, coupled with major technique and a scholar's memory for every decent guitar lick ever played under the musical sun," Mr. Reed said. The Voidoids made only two albums, but Mr. Quine's versatility gave him a long career as a sideman and studio guitarist. Hired by Lou Reed to play on his stark 1982 album "The Blue Mask," Mr. Quine played in a style that was more restrained and atmospheric. Rolling Stone praised the guitar work on the album, saying in a review that "the intuitive responsiveness between Lou Reed and Robert Quine is a quiet summit of guitarists' interplay: the notes and noise soar and dive, scudding almost formlessly until they're suddenly caught up in the focus of a rhythm." Mr. Quine was an anomaly in the punk scene. Older than most of his fellow musicians, he had a law degree and was nearly bald, and wore button-down shirts and sport coats and described his appearance as that of a "deranged insurance salesman." Before he moved to New York in 1971, he was a great fan of the Velvet Underground, Mr. Reed's groundbreaking 1960's art-rock band, and attended dozens of its concerts in St. Louis and on the West Coast, dutifully recording them with a hand-held cassette deck. Some of those recordings were released in 2001 as a three-CD set, "Bootleg Series, Vol. 1: The Quine Tapes." In New York Mr. Quine became involved with the rock scene around 1975 after taking a job at Cinemabilia, a Greenwich Village bookstore. Mr. Hell and Tom Verlaine, who then played together in the band Television, worked at the store, and when Mr. Hell, a bassist, started the Voidoids, he recruited Mr. Quine. Besides his work with the Voidoids and Mr. Reed, Mr. Quine also played with Marianne Faithfull, Material, James Chance, Tom Waits, Brian Eno and John Zorn. In the 90's he played extensively with Matthew Sweet and Lloyd Cole. He also made duo recordings with the guitarist Jody Harris and the drummer Fred Maher. The four original members of the Voidoids - Mr. Hell, Mr. Quine, Ivan Julian and Marc Bell - reunited to record a song, "Oh," which was released on the 2001 compilation album "Beyond Cyberpunk." Born in Akron, Ohio, Mr. Quine graduated from Earlham College in Richmond, Ind., and the Washington University law school in St. Louis. Mr. Quine's wife, Alice, died last August. His uncle, the philosopher W. V. Quine, died in 2000. He is survived by a brother, William, of Visalia, Calif. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: 08 June 2004 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. > Robert Quine's death confirmed. > > http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=musicNews&storyID=5365826 > > A very sad story, and what a loss. Nice tribute form Lou. > > What an amazing career though - the fanboy bootlegger who ended up > rejuvenating his hero's career (not to mention what he did in between). > > UK viewers with access to Sky might like to keep an eye on the schedules for > Performance Channel, which frequently shows a rather ace Lou Reed live in NYC > gig from about 1983, with Quine/Maher/Saunders. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:27:58 GMT From: Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. << His uncle, the philosopher W. V. Quine, died in 2000. >> holy blap -- i had no idea that Robert Quine was related to old WV! makes it more ironic that i was listening to a lot of Matthew Sweet (Girlfriend had just come out) that semester i took the class in American Analytic Philosophy.... wierd. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:40:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Attempting to avoid support of TV encoding formats on a patriotic basis seeing how PAL is German and NTSC US, I can can claim some objectivity except that the UK standard is PAL as well. In simple terms, PAL has 20% more lines and hence 20% more information/detail than NTSC. SECAM is French and so exists probably for that reason only. The most important thing is that the Rockpalast performance is superb and its a shame we've had to wait a quarter of a century for its proper emergence.Uri The thing y'all seem to be missing is that this is a dvd release,so the quality is gonna be superior to broadcast t.v anyway,regardless of the format.Ari Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:33:12 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) Hiya! > "Easily Perceived" flicker?? Hmm. Not so sure about this. > I could be mistaken, but I'm sure I read somewhere that in > deciding the frame refresh rate for PAL, experimental evidence > suggested that at frequencies above 48 Hz, it wasn't deemed to > be a problem because of the phenomena of persistence of vision, > so the body charged with setting the standard decided that a 50 Hz > frame rate was good enough, which was useful, as then the 50Hz > mains supply frequency could be utilised as a reference timebase? Without devolving into a whole "NTSC vs. PAL" debate (^_^) I will mention a little about flicker. Basically, a human eye's ability to detect flicker is proportional to the brightness of the image. The dimmer the image, the less the eye notices flicker. That's one of the reasons film at 24 fps is not projected as brightly as TV in your home. That's also the reason most NTSC sets are brighter than their PAL counterparts. (The sets are insanely bright over here in comparison.) Also, there's an ability of the human brain to compensate over time. I notice the PAL flicker when I travel to England from the U.S. (Heck - even the lightbulbs seem to flicker! 50 Hz power takes me a little while to get used to.) Then, after about a week, I don't notice it as much. In comparison, I really have to stop and try to pay attention to flicker here with NTSC at home. Most of the time, it just doesn't register. I've heard similar stories from my UK friends - they don't notice the flicker of their PAL systems, but they can really see the 3:2 interpolation on 24 fps movies converted to 30 fps NTSC when they visit the US. > Persistence of human vision is a physical fact determined > by the finite time it takes cells in the eye's retina to recover > & fire again, isn't it? Yes, for the most part, except that this time is affected by 1) Brightness & 2) Area of image. We're really sensitive to motion in our peripheral vision - attacks from wild creatures in our ancestors, etc. There's a good explanation of some of this stuff here: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/TempRate.mspx (Scroll down to the bottom (^_^)) > Regarding NTSC, is the picture frame a single scan, or > like PAL, two interlaced frames? (Each of 312.5 active lines) Interlaced like PAL. Two 60 Hz frames of 262.5 lines each. > I thought the whole idea of interlacing was to further reduce > flicker, but I could have dreamt this... > (yet another listmember with off-centre dreams? ;-) ) Actually, interlacing increases flicker. The reason for Interlacing was compatibility with the AC line frequency and the inability of the TVs at the time to do 525/625 lines at 60/50 Hz. It was just too much for the electron guns at the time. (At least, that's the way I understand it - the Microsoft paper has some detail about this.) The interlacing does increase the temporal frame rate for objects in motion - you get effectively 50 Hz motion at half resolution with PAL. Again - the Microsoft paper explains this better than my caffeine starved brain right now. (^_^) Off for tea! Cheers, Paul NP - Cibo Matto "Stereo Type A" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:20:51 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast In regards to the announced Wire Rockplast DVD, does anyone have any information on how it will differ from the VHS/CDRom that was made available to list members a few years ago? Steve G http://www.sourmashusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:34:52 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast > >>In regards to the announced Wire Rockplast DVD, does anyone have any > information on how it will differ from the VHS/CDRom that was made available > to list members a few years ago?<< > > Same performance, but an official release rather than a bootleg recording > off an early 90s rebroadcast. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:41:27 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast My guess would be the picture and sound quality will improve lots with the sound gaining the most. Apart from that, there was other stuff on the VHS/CD. U. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Graziano" To: "Keith Knight" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast > In regards to the announced Wire Rockplast DVD, does anyone have any > information on how it will differ from the VHS/CDRom that was made available > to list members a few years ago? > Steve G > http://www.sourmashusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:55:07 +0200 From: "Glenn & Cecile" Subject: [idealcopy] Best guitar solo...ever! Robert Quine: "Love comes in spurts". Chew on that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Uri Baran wrote: > > NTSC has > > less lines and an inferior > > colour scheme to PAL. > > Oh - don't even get me started on this! (^_^) /// N.T.S.C.: stands for Never Twice The Same Colour, doesn't it?? It appears that it's the price the USA paid for having colour TV years before anyone else: am I right in saying that they're the only folks using that system, beloved of those with a taste for green faces and purple grass? Mmmmm, psychedelic, Maa-aann! The PAL( variant-D?)'s 'swinging-burst' system used in the UK at least means we don't have to put up with that, although certain among the congregation may find it entertaining, eh, Ari ;-) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:43:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > NTSC has > less lines and an inferior > colour scheme to PAL. As an (ahem) NTSC viewer, I could mention the slower frame rate of most PAL systems - 25 vs. 30 fps - which leads to ** easily perceived flicker ** or PAL's "Hanover Bars" phenomenon - but I won't. (^_^) "Easily Perceived" flicker?? Hmm. Not so sure about this. I could be mistaken, but I'm sure I read somewhere that in deciding the frame refresh rate for PAL, experimental evidence suggested that at frequencies above 48 Hz, it wasn't deemed to be a problem because of the phenomena of persistence of vision, so the body charged with setting the standard decided that a 50 Hz frame rate was good enough, which was useful, as then the 50Hz mains supply frequency could be utilised as a reference timebase? Persistence of human vision is a physical fact determined by the finite time it takes cells in the eye's retina to recover & fire again, isn't it? Regarding NTSC, is the picture frame a single scan, or like PAL, two interlaced frames? (Each of 312.5 active lines) I thought the whole idea of interlacing was to further reduce flicker, but I could have dreamt this...(yet another listmember with off-centre dreams? ;-) ) Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:25:57 -0700 From: "Matt Hursh" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Best guitar solo...ever! Substantial, but I'll take (Manzanera's?) solo on Eno's "Baby's on Fire". >>> "Glenn & Cecile" 6/8/2004 12:55:07 PM >>> Robert Quine: "Love comes in spurts". Chew on that. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:30:01 -0500 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rockpalast My understanding is that obviously both sound and vision will be a drastic improvement--in addition, a half-hour interview segment which had not been previously available. The fact that Wire now has access and subsequent quality control of this broadcast means that even with it being the same material, it's probably a whole new experience. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Graziano Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:21 PM To: Keith Knight; MarkBursa@aol.com; andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast In regards to the announced Wire Rockplast DVD, does anyone have any information on how it will differ from the VHS/CDRom that was made available to list members a few years ago? Steve G http://www.sourmashusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:02:26 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Hiya! > /// N.T.S.C.: stands for Never Twice The Same Colour, > doesn't it?? Hee hee - yes, that's what some people say... (^_^) > It appears that it's the price the USA paid for > having colour TV years before anyone else: am I right in > saying that they're the only folks using that system, beloved > of those with a taste for green faces and purple grass? > Mmmmm, psychedelic, Maa-aann! > Many countries use NTSC. Japan, Canada, most of Latin America. A full list is here: http://www.midwiferytoday.com/Merchant2/scripts/ntsc.asp and here: http://gmvproductions.com/ntsc.htm (and many other places as well...) And, to be honest, since most of the world doesn't use vacuum tube gear anymore, and we have very accurate quartz oscillators that keep the frequencies steady, this really isn't an issue anymore - unless you're watching TV at the edges of a transmitter's range, or in an area with a strong reflective signal. (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. Why do I know all of this stuff? Before I became a computer software test engineer, I was an electrical engineer (BSEE) and my college senior thesis and presentation was on... worldwide color television standards. (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update actually Derek I have an HDTV (43") and therefore use both High definition for my viewing and 'digital' cable t.v which I would say is better than 625 line PAL non digital,you'd have to se the quality to agree I guess,but there's certainly no color change or bleeding,as there is not with DVD's,but IS with old fashioned vid tapes...............apart from that I RARELY watch t.v anyway,just '24',and when there's a sports or misic prog. on that may interest me,I doubt I watch much more than 2,maybe 3 hours a week,I got the t.v for viewing DVD's really and I am slowly burning up a library of real good movies........Ari(who can now watch PAL on his t.v as well)thanks Billy. Derek White wrote:Uri Baran wrote: > > NTSC has > > less lines and an inferior > > colour scheme to PAL. > > Oh - don't even get me started on this! (^_^) /// N.T.S.C.: stands for Never Twice The Same Colour, doesn't it?? It appears that it's the price the USA paid for having colour TV years before anyone else: am I right in saying that they're the only folks using that system, beloved of those with a taste for green faces and purple grass? Mmmmm, psychedelic, Maa-aann! The PAL( variant-D?)'s 'swinging-burst' system used in the UK at least means we don't have to put up with that, although certain among the congregation may find it entertaining, eh, Ari ;-) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Fw: Let's Put an Ad on Arabic Television As some of you know I am not in to religion in any way shaspe or form (I'm a non-believer) but this looks like a great idea........my ex-wife forwarded it to me .Ari Dear elizabeth, Every great social justice movement in American history - abolition, labor rights, civil rights - has had progressive people of faith right up front. Thats why weve been working with the faith community to help launch a new online group called Faithful America. Their first major project is a great way for the people of America to speak directly to the people of the Middle East. Ive endorsed the ad discussed below and hope you will too. Please share this with your friends. Ben Dear Faithful American, The torture scandal continues to grow, and with it the outrage of the Arab world. As our leaders continue to blame a few rogue soldiers, a cycle of mutual suspicion and dehumanization between the Arab world and the United States deepens. We need to send a message directly from the people of the United States , to the people of Iraq and the Arab world, telling them that, as Americans, we stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them in demanding justice for these sinful abuses committed in our name. To do this, weve filmed a television ad with Christian, Jewish and Muslim faith leaders to be broadcast on Arabic-language television in the Middle East. You can view the ad using the link below. If you feel the message expresses what is in your heart, let the world know by endorsing the ad. You can even donate to help put it on the air. www.faithfulamerica.org/AdClip.htm As the number of endorsers grows, we will add that figure to the end of the ad. The more people who endorse the message, the more effective it will be. Please send this e-mail to anyone you think might want to get involved. Blessings, The FaithfulAmerica.org Team P.S. Thanks to Medea Benjamin and Michael Schellenberger for bringing us this powerful idea. FaithfulAmerica.org is an online community of people of faith who want to build a more just and compassionate nation. Join us! www.faithfulamerica.org If you have technical questions, please submit them at http://customersupport.kintera.org . To remove yourself from this mailing, please click here Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:38:46 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re:Sparks (Was [idealcopy] Rockpalast) Keith Astbury wrote: > > I bought a cheap Sparks compilation the other day cos, amongst the obvious > hits, it had some 80's stuff I didn't have. But the track I've been playing > to death isn't one of my usal faves (This Town..., Amatuer Hour, Never Turn > your Back) but Something For the Girl With Everything. Just sounds so great! Prob my favourite Sparks track and sounds very current for some reason...has a burst of guitar that wouldn't sound out of place today. You need to hear the version that Peter Glaze and Ed Stewart did on Crackerjack at the time.... > As for Lil Beethoven, well it's one of my fave LP's of recent years. Sparks here do something similar to what Wire did with Send. Sounds like they are sampling and looping and making a processed version of Sparks and building songs much as Colin and Bruce did on 'Send'. I love "The Rhythm Thief"... "Oh No! Where did the Groove Go"...(sung with a huge Glam-70s chorus effect with lovely emphasis on the word Groove!..followed by "Lights Out, Ibiza...". Beat That Morrisey!! I'd quite like to see this show but only Wire can drag me to London... NP Sonic Youth - Sonic Nurse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:58:41 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) Clearly, the release of 'Rockpalast' on NTSC has caused concern. This has lead to threats of: "Easily Perceived" flicker" "50z Frame Rates" "3:2 interpolation on 24 fps movies" "Interlaced like PAL. Two 60 Hz frames of 262.5 lines each" If I was Colin Newman, frankly I would say..."you can shove this DVD up your ungrateful arses..you really don't have enough shit to worry about in your lives." But I'm not Colin Newman. But I say...."Buy the DVD...Turn it Up. Enjoy. If I live to be 80, god willing, on my deathbed I'm pretty sure I *won't* be saying "Oh no, i'm dying...I wish i'd got to see 'Rockpalast' in PAL format...that sweeping trace effect when Graham Lewis moves his arm over the bass on 'Practice Makes Perfect' really ruined my life" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:28:58 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] PAL v NTSC (was Wireviews update) > "Easily Perceived" flicker" > "50z Frame Rates" > "3:2 interpolation on 24 fps movies" > "Interlaced like PAL. Two 60 Hz frames of 262.5 lines each" > > If I was Colin Newman, frankly I would say... > "you can shove this DVD up your ungrateful > arses..you really don't have enough shit to > worry about in your lives." As the originator of pretty much every quote Tim mentioned, I feel compelled to ask: "What the hell brought this vitriolic attack on? (^_^)" The way I see it, IdealCopyists in PAL countries have had some very good questions about an NTSC-only DVD release that I think were answered satisfactorily for all parties concerned - especially Wire. (Quick Recap - NTSC should look pretty good from a PAL source. Most UK DVD players can play NTSC with minimal loss. No US DVD players can play PAL. For a self-made DVD, it makes sense to go NTSC with no region code to reach the maximum number of viewers.) No one's criticizing Wire/Colin Newman here or complaining about Wire's willingness to remaster and release a DVD of Rockpalast - these just seem to be technical questions that happen to require a fairly complex answer as far as I can tell. (^_^) It isn't like audio - these kind of questions tend to happen all the time in a global community where video is concerned. I think there's just been so little Wire video work ever released that we've never had to face these kind of issues before. My 2 cents anyway. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #171 *******************************