From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #170 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, June 8 2004 Volume 07 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- AW: AW: [idealcopy] Supporting Roxy Music ["Woerner Frank-Juergen" ] RE: [idealcopy] Pixies ["Jack Alberson" ] [idealcopy] Wireviews update ["Jack Alberson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Pixies [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Pixies [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Pixies [Andrew Walkingshaw ] RE: [idealcopy] Pixies ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Wireviews update [Ari ] RE: [idealcopy] Pixies ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast/ Wire TV & So it goes.... [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast/ Wire TV & So it goes.... ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast/ Wire TV & So it goes.... [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:32:45 +0200 From: "Woerner Frank-Juergen" Subject: AW: AW: [idealcopy] Supporting Roxy Music Hi, "resolving Contradictions" is the name of this still listenable album from Andy Mckay. regards, Frank -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Derek White [mailto:zak_blakk@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Mai 2004 16:10 An: idealcopy@smoe.org; Woerner Frank-Juergen Betreff: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Supporting Roxy Music Woerner Frank-Juergen wrote: > The only RM record I still play nowadays is the solo-album > from Andy MacKay > (cannot remember the title now) Would this perhaps be "In search of Eddie Riff" that you're referring to? > >>>>Yes, Eno's stuff hasn't dated badly - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:05:40 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. jesus. ><< >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:29:20 -0500 > > >Quoted from another list: > > > >Robert Quine was found dead in his apartment in NYC yesterday, he > >committed suicide. He was sixty years old and had played with Richard > >Hell & the Voidoids, Lou Reed, Matthew Sweet, Lloyd Cole, Materia, Eno > >and others, he also cut an LP with Jody Harris (Escape), and one with > >Fred Maher (Basic). He was depressed over the death of his wife Alice > >last August. He also recorded the Velvet Underground on a hand held > >cassette deck, the highlights were issued last year as The Quine Tapes > >a three CD set >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:32:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. Fuck. He was probably my favourite guitarist. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "ideal copy" Sent: 07 June 2004 12:05 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. > jesus. > > ><< >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:29:20 -0500 > > > > >Quoted from another list: > > > > > >Robert Quine was found dead in his apartment in NYC yesterday, he > > >committed suicide. He was sixty years old and had played with Richard > > >Hell & the Voidoids, Lou Reed, Matthew Sweet, Lloyd Cole, Materia, Eno > > >and others, he also cut an LP with Jody Harris (Escape), and one with > > >Fred Maher (Basic). He was depressed over the death of his wife Alice > > >last August. He also recorded the Velvet Underground on a hand held > > >cassette deck, the highlights were issued last year as The Quine Tapes > > >a three CD set >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:10:34 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. quite possibly mine as well. the voidoids' first lp, blank generation, was the first punk record i ever heard, some 26 1/4 years ago, & i strongly suspect that upon getting it to a turntable the first thing i did was flip over to side 2 to play the title track -- which would make quine's incendiarily jarring opening chords the first moments of punk i ever heard ... dan >Fuck. He was probably my favourite guitarist. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "dan bailey" >To: "ideal copy" >Sent: 07 June 2004 12:05 PM >Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. > > >> jesus. >> >> ><< >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:29:20 -0500 >> > >> > >Quoted from another list: >> > > >> > >Robert Quine was found dead in his apartment in NYC yesterday, he >> > >committed suicide. He was sixty years old and had played with Richard >> > >Hell & the Voidoids, Lou Reed, Matthew Sweet, Lloyd Cole, Materia, Eno >> > >and others, he also cut an LP with Jody Harris (Escape), and one with >> > >Fred Maher (Basic). He was depressed over the death of his wife Alice >> > >last August. He also recorded the Velvet Underground on a hand held >> > >cassette deck, the highlights were issued last year as The Quine Tapes >> > >a three CD set >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:42:04 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pixies ... There's one utterly Spinal Tap moment, too (you'll know it when you see it). Andrew W Mmmm, don't think I saw anything like that... Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:29:40 -0500 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pixies Did you not see the bit where David Lovering exploded? Comedy gold. ;) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:42 AM To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pixies ... There's one utterly Spinal Tap moment, too (you'll know it when you see it). Andrew W Mmmm, don't think I saw anything like that... Bruno ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:30:09 -0500 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Has anyone had a gander at Wireviews this morning? There's a story there you might be a bit chuffed about. Jack Alberson | Property Administrator CB Richard Ellis 100 Peabody Place, Suite 1200 Memphis, Tennessee 38103 T 901 526 9729| F 901 526 9892 jack.alberson@cbre.com | www.cbre.com [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:38:44 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pixies On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 12:42:04PM +0100, Clements, Bruno - BUP wrote: > ... There's one utterly Spinal Tap > moment, too (you'll know it when you see it). > > Andrew W > > Mmmm, don't think I saw anything like that... The guitar solo in Vamos? (Joey Santiago putting his feedbacking guitar in its stand and assaulting it with one of David Lovering's drumsticks, before lofting it back to him. Meanwhile, the drummer's kept playing: catches the stick on the beat and carries on like nothing happened...) - - A - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:47:24 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pixies > ... There's one utterly Spinal Tap > moment, too (you'll know it when you see it). > > Andrew W > > Mmmm, don't think I saw anything like that... That'll be the "drumstick incident" then.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:04:36 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pixies On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:47:24AM -0400, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > ... There's one utterly Spinal Tap > > moment, too (you'll know it when you see it). > > > > Andrew W > > > > Mmmm, don't think I saw anything like that... > > That'll be the "drumstick incident" then.... *dingdingding* So, what about this Wire DVD, then. Looks positively mouthwatering to me; mind you, I'm playing bass in a musical this evening, which requires me to supply a groove to songs originally perpetrated by such musical luminaries as the Spice Girls.[1] Given those conditions, almost anything would sound good; but this Wire DVD sounds utterly unique. (Bundling the CD with the DVD is, I think, an extremely nice touch too. I wish more bands would do things like that.) Anyone know if the PS2 can play NTSC DVDs? - - Andrew (current listening: "Blue Skied an' Clear", a Morr Music comp) [1] I'm helping some friends out. Feel free to accuse me of being a sellout, but no-one really cares about the music: it's a student musical, not a deep artistic statement.[2] [2] It wouldn't be a lengthy post from me if it didn't have footnotes, would it... - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:55:35 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pixies Perhaps I was texting Bart's brother Ferenc at the time... Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 07 June 2004 15:47 To: Clements, Bruno - BUP Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pixies ... There's one utterly Spinal Tap moment, too (you'll know it when you see it). Andrew W Mmmm, don't think I saw anything like that... That'll be the "drumstick incident" then.... Mark ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:20:35 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast In a message dated 6/7/2004 4:05:54 PM GMT Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > >>So, what about this Wire DVD, then. Looks positively mouthwatering to > me; << It's fantastic news - and a truly great gig, live in a small TV studio in front of a top-grade audience of comedy 70s Germans, beards, perms, horn-rims, the lot. And that's just the women. (cymbal, rimshot, ithankyou) Actually I was hoping this would happen as Rockpalast has itself just started releasing archive gigs (www.rockpalast.de for details). The initial batch is old toss like Rory Gallagher and Huey Lewis, but hopefully it'll move on to more of their archive gems, such as Magazine. Rockpalast also does a series called "Rockpalast Revisited" whereby previous Rockapalast guests do a new set, and WDR broadcasts both sets. Given the scarcity of bands that are still going that guested during Rockpalast's peak (1976 to 1986) Wire might make a candidate for this.... >>mind you, I'm playing bass in a musical this evening, which > requires me to supply a groove to songs originally perpetrated by such > musical luminaries as the Spice Girls.[1] << That's called "paying your dues". Next stop, blues jam at the Hebden Bridge Trades Club. > >>Given those conditions, almost anything would sound good; but this > Wire DVD sounds utterly unique. (Bundling the CD with the DVD is, > I think, an extremely nice touch too. I wish more bands would do things > like that.)<< As far as I know Wire were only on TV three times during their original incarnation - on So it Goes (only ever seen a terrible 94th generation copy of this; I suspct it's lost, like most of SIG); on Rockpalast; and on another German show, Szene '78, on which they performed Practice Makes Perfect. This was German station ARD's music show - is it too late to get in touch with them and add on the PMP footage if it still exists? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wireviews update - --- Alistair Tear wrote: > admit it, Ari, you're going to Myrtle Beach > to check out Miss Bikini Wahine ...;-) > > http://tinyurl.com/2huvr > > A > > > > Looks Good Graig,shall check it out next week when > I > > get back from Myrtle Beach...Ari You betcha! (just got back) A > ************************************************************************* > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:05:49 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pixies Ah, I was at the back then and didn't see what Joey was doing to the guitar. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast/ Wire TV & So it goes.... MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: As far as I know Wire were only on TV three times during their original incarnation - on So it Goes (only ever seen a terrible 94th generation copy of this; I suspct it's lost, like most of SIG The only Wire-related TV I *ever* saw was a very brief snippet (+/- 30 seconds) of the promo video for "Kidney Bingoes", as featured on some show fronted by Tony Wilson: however, it may have only been on the regional "What's On" segment in the Granada area news program. I vagely recall a sort of split-screen effect with a spotlit disembodied hand / arm strumming one of those pear-shaped Vox Phantom guitars (I think) to the main riff, with a butchers shop window in there somewhere, too? Anyhow it was apt. I didn't know all the VT's of "So it Goes" had been lost, though: if true, that's a catrastrophic loss, worse than the Beeb chucking loads of early Top of the Pops archive in the skip.........:-(( Makes you want to weep, when you think of some of the stuff that's been lost. Was it another knock-on effect of Factory going tits-up, Mark? Did Wilson, or Granada own the Videotapes? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:57:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] o.t:regin-free DVD players.................. Now we can.........(anyone ever bought one oif these)? Ari http://web.ask.com/web?q=site+for+region-free+dvd+player%27s&o=0&qsrc=0&askbutton.x=0&askbutton.y=0 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] o.t:region-free DVD players.................. - --- Ari wrote: > Now we can.........(anyone ever bought one oif > these)? > Ari > http://web.ask.com/web?q=site+for+region-free+dvd+player%27s&o=0&qsrc=0&askbutton.x=0&askbutton.y=0 > > Cheer up mr. Robert.............yer not the only one to make mitakes..........Ria > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:16:46 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rockpalast I recall watching a Rockpalast Meat Loaf performance in Hamburg around 78 when I was laid up with flu and unable to move off the sofa. 'Underneath the Dash Board Light' is etched on the memory like a fever dream and sadly so far unavailable I note. The Wire DVD is great news, although I'm going to have to get a hack for my DVD player to play it. And in response to Andrew's question, no, the PS2 doesn't appear to be multiregional : http://www.ps2home.co.uk/dvd.htm Another the Keith NP - Kimono My House - Sparks. I dug this out from the vinyl section in preparation for going to see them on Saturday as part of Morrissey's Meltdown at the RFH (where they will be playing KMH and Lil Beethoven in their entirety). I realised it may be 20 years (25?) since I last played it. And frankly, it's wonderful, holding up across the board. Better than I think I ever gave it credit for. Can't wait for Saturday now. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Actually I was hoping this would happen as Rockpalast has itself just started releasing archive gigs (www.rockpalast.de for details). The initial batch is old toss like Rory Gallagher and Huey Lewis, but hopefully it'll move on to more of their archive gems, such as Magazine. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 21:34:48 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast/ Wire TV & So it goes.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek White > The only Wire-related TV I *ever* saw was a very brief snippet (+/- 30 seconds) of the promo video for "Kidney Bingoes", as featured on some show... On that Snub TV interview, anybody else notice how pissed off Robert looks with Colin after the latter straightens some sheets of paper, newsreader style? Ooh if looks could kill... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 14:36:36 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rockpalast > And in response to Andrew's > question, no, the > PS2 doesn't appear to be multiregional : > http://www.ps2home.co.uk/dvd.htm > To add to that from a U.S. perspective, I was able to get a "GameShark" for my U.S. PlayStation 2 that will disable region checking. http://www.madcatz.com/MadCatz/product_details.jsp?product_id=8144 is the product I have. It's just a special memory card, and a boot disc - no hardware modification necessary! However - this is not a complete solution. My PlayStation 2 is not only a U.S. Region 1 player, but it's also NTSC. The GameShark allows me to play Region 2 DVDs - but only from other NTSC countries. This means I can play Region 2 discs from Japan (NTSC) but not the U.K. (PAL). I have a separate PAL/NTSC/SECAM converter, so it would be alright if the PlayStation 2 outputted a PAL signal - this is what happens when I play a Region 0 (aka any region) PAL disc in my Region 1 NTSC Pioneer DVD player, for instance. To add to this, I have one of the newer "Progressive Scan" PlayStation 2s that I just bought in addition to my original PlayStation 2. I haven't tried the GameShark with this model yet. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:28:30 -0000 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Why are they doing an NTSC only version? From what I can remember, NTSC has less lines and an inferior colour scheme to PAL. In addition to that, the original would have been PAL encoded for transmission and may even have been recorded in PAL which means that Wire have gone to the trouble of both reducing the picture quality by the system conversion process as well as reducing it by producing a released version on an inferior video standard to its original. Can anyone shed any light on this as it appears to be a move aimed purely at the US market at the expense of the locals Uri Will I buy it anyway? Of course! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Alberson" To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews update > Has anyone had a gander at Wireviews this morning? There's a story > there you might be a bit chuffed about. > > Jack Alberson | Property Administrator > CB Richard Ellis > 100 Peabody Place, Suite 1200 > Memphis, Tennessee 38103 > T 901 526 9729| F 901 526 9892 > jack.alberson@cbre.com > | > www.cbre.com > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:43:41 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast > NP - Kimono My House - Sparks. I dug this out from the vinyl section in > preparation for going to see them on Saturday as part of Morrissey's > Meltdown at the RFH (where they will be playing KMH and Lil Beethoven in > their entirety). I realised it may be 20 years (25?) since I last > played it. And frankly, it's wonderful, holding up across the board. > Better than I think I ever gave it credit for. Can't wait for Saturday > now. I bought a cheap Sparks compilation the other day cos, amongst the obvious hits, it had some 80's stuff I didn't have. But the track I've been playing to death isn't one of my usal faves (This Town..., Amatuer Hour, Never Turn your Back) but Something For the Girl With Everything. Just sounds so great! As for Lil Beethoven, well it's one of my fave LP's of recent years. Wish I was going myself. It's almost 30yrs since I last saw them ; ) Kwith np Broadcast - haha sound ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:59:37 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast > >>NP - Kimono My House - Sparks. I dug this out from the vinyl section in > >preparation for going to see them on Saturday as part of Morrissey's > >Meltdown at the RFH<< > > The unfortunate timing of tickets on sale for Moz's meltdown (in transit to > Glasgow for Wire gig) meant I missed out on getting tickets for his show (the > only one I could do would be this Friday's) but I am going to see the New > York Dolls next Wednesday, of which I have very few expectations, and really is one for the Ian Allan book! Must say the concept of playing one's albums in their entirety is a growing trend. Metal Box anyone? Perhaps the centrepiece of 'John Lydon's Meltdown'? Dream on. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:06:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. Robert Quine's death confirmed. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=musicNews&storyID=5365826 A very sad story, and what a loss. Nice tribute form Lou. What an amazing career though - the fanboy bootlegger who ended up rejuvenating his hero's career (not to mention what he did in between). UK viewers with access to Sky might like to keep an eye on the schedules for Performance Channel, which frequently shows a rather ace Lou Reed live in NYC gig from about 1983, with Quine/Maher/Saunders. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:19:48 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wireviews update > NTSC has > less lines and an inferior > colour scheme to PAL. Oh - don't even get me started on this! (^_^) As an (ahem) NTSC viewer, I could mention the slower frame rate of most PAL systems - 25 vs. 30 fps - which leads to easily perceived flicker or PAL's "Hanover Bars" phenomenon - but I won't. (^_^) There's actually a very good quick comparison here: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/WorldTV/compare.html And, no it doesn't declare one format a winner over another - except for SECAM. Nobody seems to like SECAM! (^_^) > Can anyone shed any light on this as it appears to be a move > aimed purely at > the US market at the expense of the locals Yes - directly from Wireviews: "most new European DVD players play NTSC even the cheap ones, whereas no one in N. America can play PAL" Since the PAL to NTSC conversions of master tapes are much better now than they used to be, and most DVD players can display NTSC quite well on a PAL TV, it sort of makes sense that if you're working on a small budget (i.e. paying for it yourself), and you can only afford to master and press one DVD title, you might as well do it in NTSC, Region 0 and therefore insure worldwide compatibility. My 2 cents anyway. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:23:26 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rockpalast/ Wire TV & So it goes.... > >>The only Wire-related TV I *ever* saw was a very brief snippet (+/- 30 > seconds) of the promo video for "Kidney Bingoes", as featured on some show > fronted by Tony Wilson: however, it may have only been on the regional "What's > On" segment in the Granada area news program. I vagely recall a sort of > split-screen effect with a spotlit disembodied hand / arm strumming one of those > pear-shaped Vox Phantom guitars (I think) to the main riff, with a butchers > shop window in there somewhere, too? Anyhow it was apt.<< Wire's 80s videos were shown quite often at the time - Kidney Bingos, Eardrum Buzz and In Vivo all got shown on the likes of Snub, the Chart Show and Night Network. The producers of Snub loved Wire and interviewed them as well as playing several AC Marias videos too. Eardrum Buzz still gets shown frequently on MTV2's 120 Minutes to this day - it was on a couple of weeks ago. 80s Wire has yet to be rehabilitated into the Wirespace so I guess it'll be a longer wait before those videos get a proper release (there's also one for Silk Skin Paws). > >>I didn't know all the VT's of "So it Goes" had been lost, though: if > true, that's a catrastrophic loss, worse than the Beeb chucking loads of early > Top of the Pops archive in the skip.........:-(( Makes you want to weep, when > you think of some of the stuff that's been lost. Was it another knock-on > effect of Factory going tits-up, Mark? Did Wilson, or Granada own the > Videotapes?<< As I understand it most of the tapes were destroyed in a fire at Granada HQ. There was a compilation show of So It Goes in 1976 to celebrate 10 years of punk, which had a good hour's worth of stuff (though no Wire). So a lot of stuff survived at that point,.... But some of the clips were clearly taken from back-up off-air recordings (probably Tony W's own, and probably on a single-spool VCR format machine, which would have been the norm at that stage. The quality was certainly wonky). Clearly somoe of the recordings had already been lost :-( Someone, somewhere must have been recording that show.... technology was available in 76-77. There'll be an 45-year-old ex-punker in Bolton with a box of VCR tapes in the garage, with every show on them.... As for TOTP, there was a show on BBC4 last night about the Black & White Minstrel Show (hideous racist variety show in which white singers performed popular songs in blackface, which ran on prime time BBC from 1957 to - wait for it - 1978!!!), in which the follwing fact was revealed: Number of Surviving B&WM episodes: 80 Number of surviving 60s TOTPs: 4 You don't know whether to laugh or cry. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:41:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: robert quine r.i.p. > Robert Quine's death confirmed. > > http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=musicNews&storyID=5365826 > > A very sad story, and what a loss. Nice tribute form Lou. Patti Smith apparently posted this somewhat cryptic tribute. Robert Quine December 30, 1942 - Memorial Day, 2004 Oh a false clock tries to tick out my time To disgrace, distract, and bother me. And the dirt of gossip blows into my face, And the dust of rumors covers me. But if the arrow is straight And the point is slick, It can pierce through dust no matter how thick. So I'll make my stand And remain as I am And bid farewell and not give a damn. "restless farewell" - Bob Dylan On a different note, read this elsewhere... >I was recently watching a TV programme about former Happy Mondays frontman and drug glutton Shaun Ryder, he was >doing a promotional sort of 'come back' appearance in Australia at some club, and who was in his makeshift backing group >playing Bass Guitar?.... none other than Stephen Mallinder (yikes!). YIKES INDEED! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:56:46 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B's B-day (yeah, thanks) > np - Guitar - "Sunkissed" ....Keith A. , if you haven't already heard this, > you will LOVE it...sounds like Mum, Tujiko Noriko, Lali Puna, My Bloody > Valentine, Seefeel in a blender... Hi Robert, How are things with you? Computer playing up this end. I haven't forgotten that i said i'd do you Sparks Lil Beethoven and the Lali Puna album - let me know if you still want them , in case you've already got them. I'd *love* to hear that guitar cd please, if you're offering!! Gotta go - off to bed now, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:30:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update Don't know 'bout that Uri,I have an HDTV,and on MY DVD player (480i) the picture is superior to what I remember seeing on any PAL screen.Ari - --- Uri Baran wrote: > Why are they doing an NTSC only version? From what > I can remember, NTSC has > less lines and an inferior > colour scheme to PAL. In addition to that, the > original would have been PAL > encoded for transmission and may even have been > recorded in PAL which means that Wire have gone to > the trouble of both > reducing the picture quality by the system > conversion process as well as > reducing it by producing a released version on an > inferior video standard to > its original. > > Can anyone shed any light on this as it appears to > be a move aimed purely at > the US market at the expense of the locals > > Uri > > Will I buy it anyway? Of course! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Alberson" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:30 PM > Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews update > > > > Has anyone had a gander at Wireviews this morning? > There's a story > > there you might be a bit chuffed about. > > > > Jack Alberson | Property Administrator > > CB Richard Ellis > > 100 Peabody Place, Suite 1200 > > Memphis, Tennessee 38103 > > T 901 526 9729| F 901 526 9892 > > > jack.alberson@cbre.com > > | > > > www.cbre.com > > > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type > image/jpeg which had a name > of image001.jpg] __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:23:44 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews update > Since the PAL to NTSC conversions of master tapes are much better now than > they used to be, and most DVD players can display NTSC quite well on a PAL > TV, it sort of makes sense that if you're working on a small budget (i.e. > paying for it yourself), and you can only afford to master and press one DVD > title, you might as well do it in NTSC, Region 0 and therefore insure > worldwide compatibility. > > My 2 cents anyway. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul It seems not only the smaller budgets are working like this. BBC/Opus Arte (for whom I do the design) has recently switched from separate PAL & NTSC versions to a regionfree NTSC one. If a DVD player's still not compatible most dealers can make them regionfree for just a few quid. Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #170 *******************************