From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #156 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 23 2004 Volume 07 : Number 156 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Prunes,Wilde, ModernEon,Tuxedo.. ["mileta okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] things I lost in th... ...my room [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Dear Dan......... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] New man [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio [Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Prunes,Wilde, ModernEon,Tuxedo.. > Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:12:29 +0200 > From: "Jan J Noorda" > My favourite Virgin Prunes were the New Form Of Beauty serie and later that > track Ulakalunakulot (the opening track on If I die .. I Die) > Coincidence does not exist some people say. Yesterday, I am painting my room > and listen to old cassettes (best invention since ....) I hear Gavin Friday > on one of those performing The Ballad Reading Gaol from Oscar Wilde. Gavin > is intrigued by that since his 13th year of age and is used on If I Die... I > Die.. Hi Jan.. i think that links from Gavin site will take you to audio file of what is Oscar Wilde voice on spiritist session, and you can read a chat with him.. he is friend with Bernard Shaw..interesting reading... i am fan of people like Wilde, Baudelaire and liked links with them in music.. my fave is Spleen & Ideal (Dead Can Dance ) where you can find also De Profundis > > And Tuxedomoon. Mmmm. Good to mention that, Mileta. I think they are in a > real good shape. Probably will go to Amsterdam Paradiso for their > performance. Have you heard already something from their coming album. > btw Minimal Compact were playing there last monday. I have somewhere their boot from Paris or Belgium, was it Hasselt..it was recorded as one song i haven't time to listen very carefully (they said to me only once..) i heard some remixes, and i am very oproud that i suggest Marc Hollander to hire FourTet for remixes and he told me-incredible, band and myself just thought about he.. and then my friend from Germany who is fan of Four Tet, Fridge sent to Mark all Four Tet remixes he done... nice to se hear on list, all band is there including collaborators.. Isabelle Corbisiere is in a process of writing book, you can contact her off list free, if you have something interested about them, we all help her with translation from various languages, tickets, etc,etc.. funny thing is that only John Foxx (who brought TuxedoMoon to UK and gave his Garden studio ) and Wim Wenders refuse interviews for book... i cannot wait to see guys again, last year i spoke with Steven he was very enthusiastic about Tricky... did you know that Tarwater contribute to album.. > > Modern Eon. Please help me remind. And are they still doing things. I > always thought they are a kind of Comsat Angels. Making two albums which > were good received those days and that's it. Tell tell tell. What happened > to them. Modern Eon have one IMO fantastic album Fiction Tales for virgin sub-label DinDisc.. Alix (singer) had one album - Adrian Sherwood work on that, and drummer is in Apollo440 rumour is that some of them work for boys band-ermm, form same stable..some Comsatters work with those all girl trio..name escapes me..they smaple Gary Numan Cars in song, Andy from OMD do same thing, etc.. Fiction Tales is never out on CD, so we tried on many sides to achieved that, i wrote to Rosenthal from Projekt and he never heard about them, etc... They share fans with Comsats..i will be happy if CSA was good rceived..they have first 3 brilliant albums on Polydor ( Waiting For A Miracle, Sleep No More -in my top 10 all the time, Fiction) - then gone to Jive try to get some royalties and after that they have traumatic period..Chris Blackwell and Robert Palmer gave them chance on Island, but they get back with two fantastic albums My Minds Eye and Glamour.... unfortunatelly, many people gave hands up of them after Polydor era.. Mr.Bursa , Ana and myself are on Comsats list..maybe you should join.. > > np Cassandra Complex.: Live somewhere in Netherlands on cassette > They were a grat live band. With one of the best TG-covers I have ever > heard. Something Came Over Me. And are they still alive? > >From Scotland I Believe. Leeds, hanging with Eldritch or something.. Mr.Archive (Mark Bursa )will know better..i had once their video... as Utah Saints they sampled or remixed Kate Bush.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:56:49 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dear Dan......... In a message dated 5/22/2004 3:38:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > It was strangely moving and one felt on his side even if one wouldnt > exactly have wanted him as a neighbour Depends how you feel about rats, roaches etc. My sister in law lived next to one of these folks. Same story: the lady could not throw anything away. After she passed, they went in the home and there were only paths between the piles. billE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 05:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Way OT:- Dear Dan.........[a life under piles of squalor] Keith Knight wrote: Ari, you should track down a BBC documentary from a few years back called 'A Life of Grime' (narrated by no less than John Peel) about an old guy called Edmund Trebus who lived in a North London house in unbelievable squalor but refused to allow anyone to do anything about it. It was strangely moving and one felt on his side even if one wouldnt exactly have wanted him as a neighbour. /// I watched that doc with (I suspect) like you, an odd mix of horror and compassion: as you say, you probably wouldn't have wanted the old guy for a neighbour, but I kinda thought that after the life he'd led, (particularly the war years) if he wanted to live like that, then that was his affair ,at least so far as the interior of the house was concerned. You could see that the council HAD to deal with the rat-magnet that was his garden, but frankly, being a sucker for the underdog, I just wanted the council to get off his case. BTW, did you see the one-hour follow-up, transmitted about a year after the original series? It followed the further adventures of Mr Trebus: eventually, (and I suppose inevitably given his great age), he was taken ill and had to go into hospital for something, and by the time that was dealt with, there was nothing for it but for him to go into a residential care home, where he had his own comfortable room and all the care that by now he needed. Strangely, given his battles with the council, Mr T aquiesced to the need for the move with relative good humour, and some of his former adversaries even went to visit him. Life was easier, but unfortunately he died within months of the move. Perhaps being the determined old curmudgeon jousting with authority actually gave him a purpose and the determination to go on? Anyhow , RIP Mr T, and a tip of the hat to ya....... dw Yahoo! 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Presumably , the 'Amnesia' part of the latter's title must be referring to the forgetting of any knowledge whatsoever of what exactly constitutes a TUNE?? ;-) dw dw Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:00:32 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] old young-wire photos That's how I remember them best, in 1979. Seeing them now is like, wow did someone speed by a few decades without me noticing? Obviously, yes. Funny thing is I don't seem to have changed that much in my photos since the early 80s (though I did have more hair then) leading too dull a life, it seems!!! Met an aunt for the first time in 20 years the other day - she said I'd grown. Actually, she'd shrunk but I was too polite to say. Bruno PS Ari, I'm sure we've had a few Zappa/Beefheart 'conversations'. Funny thing was I was doing the same with someone on Friday night and it was the first time we realised we'd both been at the same NEC gig which was Frank's last proper rock date in the UK (I think an orchestral one followed). Don't really class myself as a fan anymore, though. Too little quality control - and I've never really forgiven him for Thing Fish... ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Used by the composer Messaien, a fave of many ICer, most notably on his best-known work, Turangalila. http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/martenot/ http://csunix1.lvc.edu/~snyder/em/mart.html http://www.peterpringle.com/ondes.html Mrk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Ondes Martenot - -- > > http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/martenot/ > > http://csunix1.lvc.edu/~snyder/em/mart.html > > http://www.peterpringle.com/ondes.html > > Mrk Wh's Mrk? nd hw y dn'?by th wy dd y gt th pctrs snt y? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains  Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:52:16 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] things I lost in th... ...my room In a message dated 5/22/04 4:19:10 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << Rich Fortis is from my hometown of St. Louis...he used to be in a shitty goth band called "The Eyes" >> now is he's with the incomparable enrique iglesias...or is it guns n roses? whore. :o) paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:58:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio In a message dated 5/22/04 7:51:26 AM Central Daylight Time, zak_blakk@yahoo.com writes: > And Robert: the 'head albums you refer to as 'electronica' are worth > exactly what you say:- "a squiggly shit".......In a perfect world , all copies of > 'Kid A' and 'Amnesiac' would even now be at the recyclers, but hey, I'll > settle for 'in a landfill somewhere' . Presumably , the 'Amnesia' part of the > latter's title must be referring to the forgetting of any knowledge whatsoever > of what exactly constitutes a TUNE?? ;-) > > so what? why does everything ALWAYS have to have a tune for it to be good? that's pure laziness... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:01:20 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dear Dan......... In a message dated 5/22/04 6:57:29 AM, Tisbili@aol.com writes: << paths between the piles >> if i never married i'd surely be somewhere close to that, though not with actual food waste or anything of the sort. i just can't get the idea out of my head that "i may need that someday, so i better keep it" and it is a tough way to live. i wish i didn't feel that way about 'stuff'. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 15:07:49 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New man In a message dated 5/21/04 5:12:28 AM, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: << PS.1 - It's a gallery in New York if I remember rightly. >> great place. an old public school (city schools being numbered...i attended p.s. 169) converted into an art space, and in recent years a summer art/music venue as well. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio > so what? why does everything ALWAYS have to have a > tune for it to be good? > that's pure laziness... > > RL Being a Jazz lover I agree with Robert (whoops),like punk,discord (sometimes) rules..............A __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains  Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 01:27:21 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio I must say I prefer Radiohead in their more "Tuneless" moments. I hate the anthemic, chest-beating stuff like 'High and Dry', the stuff that made them famous, but when they stop being a weirder version of U2 they are quite interesting....not that they are innovating in any way, but i'm interested in the way they translate ideas from Electronic into megabucks stadium rock.....and i've said it before if some kid gets into Radiohead and then checks out some of the influences then it will lead them down a very fine musical path...well at least finer than someone who gets into Oasis, Muse or Travis. NP. Various Artists: 'Children of Mu' (planet Mu record) a fine digest of current electronica/dance/general otherness/weirdness. This is where we are now and its very bloody good! >>And Robert: the 'head albums you refer to as 'electronica' are worth >>exactly what you say:- "a squiggly shit".......In a perfect world , all copies of >>'Kid A' and 'Amnesiac' would even now be at the recyclers, but hey, I'll >>settle for 'in a landfill somewhere' . Presumably , the 'Amnesia' part of the >>latter's title must be referring to the forgetting of any knowledge whatsoever >>of what exactly constitutes a TUNE?? ;-) >> >> > > > so what? why does everything ALWAYS have to have a tune for it to be good? > that's pure laziness... > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 01:36:13 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 01:27:21AM +0100, Tim wrote: >.and i've said it before if some kid gets into > Radiohead and then checks out some of the influences then it will lead > them down a very fine musical path...well at least finer than someone > who gets into Oasis, Muse or Travis. > You rang? Seriously, on their own terms, I think Radiohead are artistically successful and musically interesting. Your milage evidently varies. (I think the stuff they're doing now is more *interesting* than the Bends/OKC, but those albums have a directness some of the present material lacks. Swings and roundabouts.) - - Andrew (first musical loves; REM and Radiohead circa the Bends, around 1995/96) - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 03:06:55 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Radiohead man heads Radio > You rang? Seriously, on their own terms, I think Radiohead are > artistically successful and musically interesting. Your milage > evidently varies. (I think the stuff they're doing now is more > *interesting* than the Bends/OKC, but those albums have a directness > some of the present material lacks. Swings and roundabouts.) > > - Andrew (first musical loves; REM and Radiohead circa the Bends, around > 1995/96) > Well my first musical loves were U2, Simple Minds (how?why?) and The Smiths around 1985. I can imagine had i been born 10 years later Radiohead would have been *my* band instead and i'd love their more directly emotional stuff. But Perhaps when they came along I was a little too old...I wasn't looking for Thom Yorke to articulate my own teenage angst and alienation.....but later when Radiohead started doing stuff like Kid A and got a bit more ambigous and obscure I dug it. However, I never listen to U2, The Smiths and certainly not Simple Minds these days. I've discovered much more interesting music since those days....but none of it via those bands, especially not fucking Morrisey with his really unhelpful "Reggae is Vile" stance (i so don't need him in my life anymore!!) So in fact, if someones early introduction to music is Radiohead they have a good chance of taking in some very interesting music should they care to listen. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 23:17:52 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Jobriath revival starts here... In a message dated 5/21/04 11:21:11 PM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: << any Frank Zappa fans on this list? >> i can't call myself a fan, even though i do like what i've ever heard by him, but i'm curious if there's a specific reason you ask? - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #156 *******************************