From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #152 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, May 20 2004 Volume 07 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #151(VPrunes,Txmoon, MGira) ["Mileta ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #151(VPrunes,Txmoon, MGira) ["Jan] [idealcopy] test ["Jan J Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #151(VPrunes,Txmoon,MGira) [PaulR] [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' [fernando Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #151(VPrunes,Txmoon, MGira) > Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 22:43:46 +1000 (EST) > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= > Subject: [idealcopy] Virgin Prunes and Colin Newman > > Ideal Copyists might be also be interested that Mileta bobs upon on 'Heaven' every now and then. > > Phillip from Australia > ******************************* Yes, Philip i am member there long time ago,not contribute very often.. Well, we strolled thru re-release issue on Modern Eon list and i am not in wonder that VP will release enhanced catalogue. Also, share yr.opinion that Colin did great job(even my fave was Moon Looked Down and.. which was done by dave ball..) Also, i will see in just 3 days in same venue TuxedoMoon and Michael Gira in Belgrade. I met Steven Brown last year in Belgrade when he played with Nine Rain and he told me that they will apear with new album (in those time they recorded material for what will be Cabin In The Sky,i hope i will pick copyon gig) so he is exactly know what hetold me (it is part of Ring Ring festival, which gathered all kind of ethno, experimental, etc,etc..music..) 3 days after him Michael Gira will appear with solo set, i am affraid that i not very informed about his Angel Of Light band and his last solo releases (even i once was Swans completis and also Jarboe and Gira first solo attempts..). Any recommendations for Angels Of Light release? I saw Franz ferdinand perfromed for Viva-Interactive (Get Me Out and Matinee) yesterday.. they were really good.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:12:29 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #151(VPrunes,Txmoon, MGira) Ideal Copyists might be also be interested that Mileta bobs upon on 'Heaven' every now and then. Phillip from Australia ******************************* Yes, Philip i am member there long time ago,not contribute very often.. Well, we strolled thru re-release issue on Modern Eon list and i am not in wonder that VP will release enhanced catalogue. Also, share yr.opinion that Colin did great job(even my fave was Moon Looked Down and.. which was done by dave ball..) Also, i will see in just 3 days in same venue TuxedoMoon and Michael Gira in Belgrade. I met Steven Brown last year in Belgrade when he played with Nine Rain and he told me that they will apear with new album (in those time they recorded material for what will be Cabin In The Sky,i hope i will pick copyon gig) so he is exactly know what hetold me (it is part of Ring Ring festival, which gathered all kind of ethno, experimental, etc,etc..music..) 3 days after him Michael Gira will appear with solo set, i am affraid that i not very informed about his Angel Of Light band and his last solo releases (even i once was Swans completis and also Jarboe and Gira first solo attempts..). Any recommendations for Angels Of Light release? I saw Franz ferdinand perfromed for Viva-Interactive (Get Me Out and Matinee) yesterday.. they were really good.. Mileta My favourite Virgin Prunes were the New Form Of Beauty serie and later that track Ulakalunakulot (the opening track on If I die .. I Die) Coincidence does not exist some people say. Yesterday, I am painting my room and listen to old cassettes (best invention since ....) I hear Gavin Friday on one of those performing The Ballad Reading Gaol from Oscar Wilde. Gavin is intrigued by that since his 13th year of age and is used on If I Die... I Die.. And Tuxedomoon. Mmmm. Good to mention that, Mileta. I think they are in a real good shape. Probably will go to Amsterdam Paradiso for their performance. Have you heard already something from their coming album. btw Minimal Compact were playing there last monday. Modern Eon. Please help me remind. And are they still doing things. I always thought they are a kind of Comsat Angels. Making two albums which were good received those days and that's it. Tell tell tell. What happened to them. np Cassandra Complex.: Live somewhere in Netherlands on cassette They were a grat live band. With one of the best TG-covers I have ever heard. Something Came Over Me. And are they still alive? From Scotland I Believe. Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:53:29 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] test II am not sure everything is working well. It looks like ages my mail is receiving back. About a month ago I had an answer back from one of the other idealcopyists earlier before I did became my own sent message back. Jan fan e G Dyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 09:40:48 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #151(VPrunes,Txmoon,MGira) at least one of cassandra complex was in the dreadful utah saints. hopefully they won't trouble us again. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:33:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' I think it's fair to say that certain people here will disagree with the = choice of musical advisor! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3727795.stm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Joy Division film 'in planning'.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 10:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' Keith Astbury wrote: I think it's fair to say that certain people here will disagree with the choice of musical advisor! Hmm.... I suppose that it has the saving grace that, at least as far as I know, he's a fan, or claims to be so, of Joy Division. However I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have found somebody with a more direct connection to the band to do the job. Still, should be interesting, though. I wonder if they'll touch on the delicate subject of the flirtation with Nazi.....erm.... 'iconography', for want of a better term ? I mean, I personally am not aware of how serious a fixation this was to Curtis, but enough whispers of an unhealthy fascination have surfaced over the years to make me wonder, and I'd like to know what the score was with all that. Or will the rose-tinted airbrush come out to play? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3727795.stm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Joy Division film 'in planning'.url] SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:58:25 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' I guess someone who is almost 40 has more musical insight as to what is current/popular. Couldn't use the almost 50 year old band members who were actually there. At least it's not Jeff Lynne. wnd3 --- Keith Astbury wrote: > I think it's fair to say that certain people here > will disagree with the = > choice of musical advisor! > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3727795.stm > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type > application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC > NEWS Entertainment Music Joy Division film 'in planning'.url] ===== Edward? Will Heaven be like Swansea? Yes, Tubbs...only bigger. ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' Well, it is an interesting choice... but given Moby's punk origins, and his movement into electronic, it parallels the JD-NO mantra, though with different results (of course). So, I would not consider him a bad choice, and perhaps one that NO will approve, given their joint cover of New Dawn Fades in Los Angeles a while back. Like all in JD, Moby is also a big Bowie fan... so I think that he has the right sensibilities, and as long has he listens to those sensibilities and does not use this as a plank to bigger things by impressing others in the movie biz... it should be alright. Like many others involved with the band intimately (e.g., John Savage), they are not immune to making daft best-of compilations (e.g., Permanent) and decisions (e.g., leaving Digital (Genetic Records Sessions) off the box set). cheers! - -fernando PS Perhaps it is good that Tony Wilson is not it! - --- Derek White wrote: > Keith Astbury wrote: > > I think it's fair to say that certain people here will disagree with the > choice of musical advisor! > > Hmm.... I suppose that it has the saving grace that, at least as far as I > know, he's a fan, or claims to be so, of Joy Division. However I find it > hard to believe that they couldn't have found somebody with a more direct > connection to the band to do the job. Still, should be interesting, though. > > > I wonder if they'll touch on the delicate subject of the flirtation with > Nazi.....erm.... 'iconography', for want of a better term ? I mean, I > personally am not aware of how serious a fixation this was to Curtis, but > enough whispers of an unhealthy fascination have surfaced over the years to > make me wonder, and I'd like to know what the score was with all that. > > Or will the rose-tinted airbrush come out to play? > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3727795.stm > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which > had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Joy Division film 'in > planning'.url] > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:17:19 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Fall Tribute album A Fall tribute album has been released by a German label, Zick Zack, which includes not only covers but also songs about The Fall (e.g. by Jeffrey Lewis). Sounds potentially interesting. Does anyone know anything / even heard this perchance? Tracklisting here: http://www.woogriots.de/mes_track.htm another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:17:19 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Limited Wire content: someone at a record company's going to swing for this *splutter* - surely- SURELY - there are no Alanis Morissette fans here? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw I was thinking: potential IC interest - McLusky, ASMZ, Kathryn Williams, Coxon (though two of those are from the IC Radical Pop/Folk Front; ie, probably just me and maybe Keith A for the Coxon record :)) Chart-botherers - Alanis bloody Morissette, Gomez, Charlatans, Ash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:26:37 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Limited Wire content: someone at a record company's going to swing for this On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 08:17:19PM +0100, Keith Knight wrote: > *splutter* - surely- SURELY - there are no Alanis Morissette fans here? I wasn't suggesting there were. I claimed high-chart-position *OR* IC interest; in some cases these are mutually exclusive :) - - Andrew (now watch someone horrify us by proving us wrong) - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 20:29:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' > Like many others involved with the band intimately (e.g., John Savage), they > are not immune to making daft best-of compilations (e.g., Permanent) and > decisions (e.g., leaving Digital (Genetic Records Sessions) off the box set). And making Bernard singer ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 15:48:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' In a message dated 5/19/04 1:34:30 PM Central Daylight Time, gromitklein@yahoo.com writes: > Well, it is an interesting choice... but given Moby's punk origins, and his > movement into electronic, it parallels the JD-NO mantra, though with > different > results (of course). So, I would not consider him a bad choice, and perhaps > one > that NO will approve, given their joint cover of New Dawn Fades in Los > Angeles > a while back. i will refrain from cursing and spewing forth diatribes against the half-wit known as Moby... *grumble..mf..c*nt..sorry-*ss excuse for...grumble..grumble...*** RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 13:01:31 -0700 From: "Matt Hursh" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Limited Wire content: someone at a record company's going to swing for this C'mon, Another the Keith, You Oughta Know... ahhhh-hahahahahahahahaha! hahahaha! haha! ... ahem. >>> "Keith Knight" 5/19/2004 2:17:19 PM >>> *splutter* - surely- SURELY - there are no Alanis Morissette fans here? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw I was thinking: potential IC interest - McLusky, ASMZ, Kathryn Williams, Coxon (though two of those are from the IC Radical Pop/Folk Front; ie, probably just me and maybe Keith A for the Coxon record :)) Chart-botherers - Alanis bloody Morissette, Gomez, Charlatans, Ash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 23:20:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' > i will refrain from cursing and spewing forth diatribes against the half-wit > known as Moby... > *grumble..mf..c*nt..sorry-*ss excuse for...grumble..grumble...*** > > RL Told ya!! And Mr Rabjohn hasn't said a word. Yet! Still, I like Moby myself. Everything is Wrong was one of my fave LP's of the 90's. Some beautiful tracks there whatever the Moby haters say!! K. np Notwist - different cars and trains ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 00:43:10 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 11:20:07PM +0100, Keith Astbury wrote: > > i will refrain from cursing and spewing forth diatribes against the > half-wit > > known as Moby... > > *grumble..mf..c*nt..sorry-*ss excuse for...grumble..grumble...*** > > > > RL > > Told ya!! > > And Mr Rabjohn hasn't said a word. To quote Iggy Pop, on "New York Is Beating Its Chest Again..." AND WHAT I'M REALLY SICK OF IS MOBY! - - A - -- Dept of Earth Sciences, Univ. Cambridge ::: http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk ::: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ Random Walk, 10pm Wednesdays, CUR1350 ::: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:03:29 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' Thats like making a film about Wire and employing Andy Bell from Erasure to be the "Musical Advisor". Yes as some of you know I have a serious Moby problem (and I know I share this with at least one of Wire). When that "Play" CD was everywhere for a couple of years back then nothing inspired a feeling of hopelessness and despair in me quite like the endless glut of adverts for Nissan Micra's, Insurance and soft drinks with Moby's vomit-inducing sub-Enigma oh-so-fucking-cleverly-sampled-Gospel-vocals-set-to-contemporary-dancebeats shite. Unforgiveable shiteness. Aren't all Rock Biopics usually pretty shit anyway? Anyone seen 'Hysteria: The Def Leppard Story"? Its one of the most unitentionally hilarious movies you can ever hope to see. The US actors attempts at Sheffield accents have to be heard to be believed, and the bit where Rick Savage is driving down Snake Pass before he has his accident....clearly filmed on a Freeway somewhere in the midwest US but with a few UK road signs for good measure.... N.P. Japan - Night Porter Keith Astbury wrote: > I think it's fair to say that certain people here will disagree with the = > choice of musical advisor! > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3727795.stm > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment Music Joy Division film 'in planning'.url] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 01:24:23 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] OT:Rob Gretton Gig Tickets? This is a real longshot! Has anyone got 2 spare tickets for the Rob Gretton Tribute Concert in Manchester? (sunday) If so e-mail me off list! (didn't expect this to sell out quite so quickly!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 21:09:26 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' In a message dated 5/19/2004 1:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, zak_blakk@yahoo.com writes: > I think it's fair to say that certain people here will disagree with the > choice of musical advisor! moby is a boring fraud. The longevity of his career is mystifying...a triumph of hype over substance, I guess. He might be a good musical advisor for a milli vanilli flick, but would be last on my list for any work relating to a real band with musical and lyrical depth. The credentials of those involved in this project are dubious. I smell doom in the air. bill e =-=-=-=- np: david sylvian live 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 19:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Joy Division film 'in planning' - --- Tim wrote: > Thats like making a film about Wire and employing Andy Bell from Erasure > to be the "Musical Advisor". hehehe... this reminds of Rush Limbaugh... if A=B then C=D type arguments. > > Aren't all Rock Biopics usually pretty shit anyway? Anyone seen > 'Hysteria: The Def Leppard Story"? Its one of the most unitentionally > hilarious movies you can ever hope to see. The US actors attempts at > Sheffield accents have to be heard to be believed, and the bit where > Rick Savage is driving down Snake Pass before he has his > accident....clearly filmed on a Freeway somewhere in the midwest US but > with a few UK road signs for good measure.... I thought that "the Doors" was pretty decent... then there was Bird from Eastwood. So, like anything, I guess it is more about the people involved, rather than a general thing. There is a lot of shit on biopics of music, like the one you mentioned or most anything that VH-1 shows. Oh, wasn't the one about Tina Turner also good? cheers, - -fernando ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #152 *******************************