From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #148 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, May 16 2004 Volume 07 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] A.T Keith wrote..... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] A.T Keith wrote..... [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] EC ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] gmb-H live performance [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Up your Arsenal ["Keith Astbury" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... ...that Bruno likes Elvis Costello (This year's model was the first LP I bought... love Blood and Chocolate, Mighty like a Rose, King of America as well. Great stuff) and a little jazz (most of it goes over my head)... Seen him four or five times live and only one disappointment (sore throat at the Colston Hall, Bristol. He should've cancelled and rescheduled - the Undertones did the same thing to me. What good is a band with the singer out of action?!) Actually, Bart knows I like EC though he's a bit lukewarm, I think. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:18:59 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... Haven't seen EC since the Stiff Records tour in 77, when Lancaster University was the last night. I only went because it was local and there was an imperative to attend punk-associated gigs whenever they turned up. Never cared much for any of the bands on that tour (EC / Dury / Wreckless Eric / Nick Lowe / Jona Lewie (? - not sure about the last one), although Wreckless was memorably hammered on the night. Wangled a backstage visit due to a friend being an alleged journalist for the Uni Rag. The floor was a cess-pit, Eric was drinking from the bottle, out of his head, Dury was finding time to talk to people and EC had his own room, whose door he slammed shut as I passed by. I've always found him too lyrically clever for his own good (a bit like Gabriel, although PG reigns it in more), coupled with a musical conservatism I've never cared for. By which I mean he keeps to formal song structures (pop, country, blues based) - he never wigs out and unless they're producing beautiful sounds or keeping folk traditions alive I really need my faves to be capable of wigging out (that's off the top of my head but I think it's broadly true). I don't think I've ever bought an EC record, although I've heard lots. Imperial Bedroom is the best of those. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 15 May 2004 09:32 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... ...that Bruno likes Elvis Costello (This year's model was the first LP I bought... love Blood and Chocolate, Mighty like a Rose, King of America as well. Great stuff) and a little jazz (most of it goes over my head)... Seen him four or five times live and only one disappointment (sore throat at the Colston Hall, Bristol. He should've cancelled and rescheduled - the Undertones did the same thing to me. What good is a band with the singer out of action?!) Actually, Bart knows I like EC though he's a bit lukewarm, I think. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:54:08 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Biting Tongues - Live in London - Saturday 22 May London-based ICers may be thrilled to learn that the first Biting Tongues appearance since last year's great ICA performance is next Saturday at - huh? - the Royal Institution of Great Britain in Albemarle St. Actually this isn't a normal gig - it's part of a day called 'Electra - Electricity in Culture', which will also include lectures and discussions. But Graham Massey, Ken Hollings and Howard Walmsley will be there, even if they're hiding under the Dr X moniker. The only downside is that it's on from 1400 to 1900 so clashes with the FA Cup final. Dennis Wise and Roy Keane kicking seven bells out of each other or the Tongues whipping up a storm of noise? Another the Keith http://www.rigb.org/rimain/calendar/detail.jsp?&id=43 http://www.bitingtongues.com/live.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:48:37 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] EC Conventional wisdom has it that Imperial Bedroom is his best offering but I find it hard to warm to... Now Punch the Clock, there's another lively one... Meaty brass sounds. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 03:34:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] A.T Keith wrote..... Never cared much for any of the bands on that tour (EC / Dury / Wreckless Eric / Nick Lowe / Jona Lewie (? - not sure about the last one), >Lena Luvitch perhaps? Don't care for Ian Dury? love 'im myself.....Ari SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 05:57:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A.T Keith wrote..... Ari Britt wrote: Never cared much for any of the bands on that tour (EC / Dury / Wreckless Eric / Nick Lowe / Jona Lewie (? - not sure about the last one), >Lena Lovitch perhaps? Don't care for Ian Dury? love 'im myself.....Ari If it's the so-called 'Live Stiffs' tour that we're on about here, the one absentee from the list cited above is the fairly incongruous inclusion of ex-Pink Fairies guitarist , Larry Wallis. The live recording from the tour has him doing a song called "police car", IIRC. Also, perhaps, if Nick Lowe was on board, is it also possible that Dave Edmonds was, too? The pair seemed joined at the hip around that time....;-) I'm not sure that Jonah Louie was on the tour bus, though. Can't say this tour had a line-up that got my juices going, either..... SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 13:59:22 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] EC I liked all the albums up to and inc Trust (thought that one was really under-rated actually). Tell a lie, I liked the c&w one too, which was some achievement on his behalf!! > Conventional wisdom has it that Imperial Bedroom is his best offering but I > find it hard to warm to... Now Punch the Clock, there's another lively > one... Meaty brass sounds. Heard those, but despite their critical favour, they didn't do enough to make me want to buy them. Since then I've only bought the odd 45 (Pills & Soap was especially great IMO), King of America (which I wasn't exactly wild about and probably haven't heard since then) and Spike, which had a few tracks like Tramp the Dirt Down that I liked a lot. But I know that if I was to play, say, Get Happy right now, I'd almost certainly still love it. Keith np New Order - get ready ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:10:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... > I've always found him too lyrically clever for his own good (a bit like > Gabriel, although PG reigns it in more), coupled with a musical > conservatism I've never cared for. By which I mean he keeps to formal > song structures (pop, country, blues based) - he never wigs out and > unless they're producing beautiful sounds or keeping folk traditions > alive I really need my faves to be capable of wigging out (that's off > the top of my head but I think it's broadly true). I know what you mean here, Keith. As IC's resident pop fan (!), Elvis only works (worked?) for me when the tunes are strong enough. And when they're not, they just sound very, very ordinary. Certainly what I heard of the last LP was pretty dire. And someone should tell the guy he can't sing quite as well as he thinks he can. I'm fine with his him singing in his normal voice, but when he goes for that big dramatic effect (as he seems to have done more and more in recent years), it's pretty toe curling stuff. I mean as much as I like the early records, he's not exactly Scott Walker is he. As for Wreckless Eric, I bought his Hitsville House Band "The Girl With The Wandering Eye" 45 a couple of yrs back. And whilst it's not Whole Wide World (yum!!), it sure is a nifty little pop single I have to say. K. np my daily dose of Lali Puna - faking the books ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew..... The Words 'Elvis Costello' and 'Interesting' surely do not go together on IdealCopy. Add the word 'Jazz' and we're really fucked. The only song by Elvis Costello I ever liked was "Tramp the dirt down", and that had more to do with the lyric's sentiments than warming to E.C's performance. No, I tell a lie: wasn't "Shipbuilding" one of his? As a native & resident in a town that has for over a century relied on the somewhat decaying ship & submarine construction industry for it's very existence, that one really struck a nerve. However, I preferred Robert Wyatt's rendition...... Elvis C lost my vote when he released that godawful Country album (the one with "Good year for the roses" on it?) and had the breathtaking arrogance to put a sticker on the cover claiming something along the lines of "You will not like this album if you are a small-minded person" or somesuch. Well, I don't consider myself small- or Narrow-minded, and I *still* thought the mawkish tripe sucked, E.C.........:-( SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Up your Arsenal As for the interview...well as my girlfriend said, he managed to be self-depracating and superior at the same time. Glad to see him back. ))) I've never been a fan, but I thought he came across as a completely insufferable prick. Takes himself far too seriously. Though being interviewed by a fawning (isn't he always fawning ?) Jonathon Ross doesn't exactly bode well for a good interview. Morrisey's got a very skewed dress sense. But not in an interesting way. Not a hint of irony. He looked like a Butlins Holiday Home steward. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] gmb-H live performance From Graham Lewis: gmb-H (E.G.Lewis, CM von Hausswolff and B.C.Gilbert) will perform kaoss v kaoss for two nights on Monday June 21 and Tuesday June 22, 2004, at Podewil, Berlin. This performance is part of the "Spring Improvisation" season. www.podewil.de ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:25:21 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Up your Arsenal > As for the interview...well as my girlfriend said, he managed to be > self-depracating and superior at the same time. > > ))) I've never been a fan, but I thought he came > across as a completely insufferable prick. I think he's funny. The "why would you take your cat on a plane?" line was excellent. He did look unusually nervous though. > Takes > himself far too seriously. Though being interviewed by > a fawning (isn't he always fawning ?) Jonathon Ross > doesn't exactly bode well for a good interview. > Morrisey's got a very skewed dress sense. But not in > an interesting way. Not a hint of irony. He looked > like a Butlins Holiday Home steward. I thought he looked more half Billy Fury, half Norman Wisdom meself! Keith np Moz - Irish Blood, English Heart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 17:55:11 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] A.T Keith wrote..... Yes, Larry Wallis it was, thanks Derek. Can't recall if Dave Edmunds was there or not - I would certainly have been aware of who he was at the time, so perhaps not. I saw Lena Lovich a few years later in Hamburg. Quite enjoyed her actually. She subsequently appeared on Peter Hammill's 'Fall of the House of Usher' opera recording of course. (I say of course, but, of course, there's maybe only two other people here who would know or be interested in this factoid!). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A.T Keith wrote..... Ari Britt wrote: Never cared much for any of the bands on that tour (EC / Dury / Wreckless Eric / Nick Lowe / Jona Lewie (? - not sure about the last one), >Lena Lovitch perhaps? Don't care for Ian Dury? love 'im myself.....Ari If it's the so-called 'Live Stiffs' tour that we're on about here, the one absentee from the list cited above is the fairly incongruous inclusion of ex-Pink Fairies guitarist , Larry Wallis. The live recording from the tour has him doing a song called "police car", IIRC. Also, perhaps, if Nick Lowe was on board, is it also possible that Dave Edmonds was, too? The pair seemed joined at the hip around that time....;-) I'm not sure that Jonah Louie was on the tour bus, though. Can't say this tour had a line-up that got my juices going, either..... SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 10:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fall of the house of Usher........ keith wrote... I saw Lena Lovich a few years later in Hamburg. Quite enjoyed her actually. She subsequently appeared on Peter Hammill's 'Fall of the House of Usher' opera recording of course. (I say of course, but, of course, there's maybe only two other people here who would know or be interested in this factoid!). Another the Keith I have the Philip Glass, 'Fall of the House of Usher'(1988),from f.m radio,features Arthur Yorinks and the American Repertory Theatre :was never released commercialy,anyone want a copy email me off-list.Ari SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:22:01 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Up your Arsenal well i just watched the ross show on video and quite enjoyed it. ah , the desperate sight of an old queen trading on past glories , stuck in a creative rut and destined to repeat himself endlessly to a dwindling audience. but enough about dale winton , i thought moz was on quite good form. i actually think ross isn't half as big a clown as he makes out and was genuinely pleased to get him on. i thought he did a good job coaxing a "performance" out of him , pushing the gentle mockery far enough that he'd join in and not either clam up or flounce off. he made him actually talk about himself rather than showbiz anecdotes or discussing the new album , which is a lot more interesting (and much harder work for the interviewer to pull off). if you think the country costello is bad , try downloading his dire cod-operetta "the juliet letters". what a grade A turkey that was. like mccartney , he seems to be on a mission to show how mediocre he is across every musical form that takes his fancy. occasionally great lyricist , generally dull composer. p ps thought this mail might be a tribute to the achievements of the mighty Arse. but no. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 20:34:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'll bet no one knew.....Moz! >>what the hell happened to EC? I liked him a lot many years ago, but maybe he just got too clever clever for his own good.<< Agree with much of what has been said about Elvis C. Find his attempts at country/classical/jazz rather hokey - I guess I only actually like him playing short, fast songs with the Attractions. Which was fine up to Get Happy, which I always liked a lot, if marred by too-smart wordplay (eg "you lack lust, you're so lacklustre") which comes across as really clever on first listen but starts to grate after repeated plays. Last time he was on Later he played a noir-ish piece based on a sampled loop that sounded like a grown-up Watching the Detectives, which I thought was the best thing he'd done for a while. >>But never mind him, what about Moz on Jonathan Ross? << I thought he did rather well - not as camp as he can be, and Ross did a pretty good job of keeping the chat interesting. The jacket was more of a German businessman's jacket circa 1992, when brightly coloured jackets, ties, shirts had an odd hold over the normally sober-suited Germans. Where I used to work we referred to these as c**t jackets. As an aside, Moz's faithful henchmen (apart from the bassist) have been on the pies since the last tour, and have now morphed from a bunch of fairground pikies into.. the Bad Seeds. Which got me thinking that Morrissey with the Bad Seeds might make for an interesting record. Perhaps he could engineer a swap with Nick Cave, who might start making decent records again if backed by a bunch of overweight rockabillies rather than louche Berliners and Aussies. It would be nice for Boz & Al to have a cheerful front man for a change too... Just a thought. Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #148 *******************************