From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #133 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, May 1 2004 Volume 07 : Number 133 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Triptych - Edinburgh report [Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Triptych - Edinburgh report Great read Keith... thanks! Bart > Back from Edinburgh and absolutely knackered - but nothing will prevent > your correspondent from reporting on last night. > > Thanks to Mr Astbury's posting of the times of the performances it's > clear this is going to be a late night but wow! Having been drinking > for large chunks of the day, my friend Lee and I finally contact Bruno > by phone mid-evening. He's just back from cycling and will be along > later but he gives me Uri's number and successful contact is made. We > meet up and a pizza and drink later we turn up at the venue around 11pm, > making contact with Bruno and his mate. The venue is a good small one > on two floors allowing bands and DJ sets to alternate. On arrival Pink > Grease are just finishing - they sound pretty enjoyable but I want to > see Liars, so move downstairs. And who should be there but Mr Graeme > Rowland! > > Liars are now a threepiece. The drummer is bare-chested with some > writing scrawled across which I can't make out and a silver cape. With > moustache, he looks like a 70s pornstar. I fear for Angus's head given > his height and the venue's low ceiling and he comes on with his head > wrapped in a scarf. The opening song is impressively attack-minded and > given Angus' facial and height similarity and the approach to noise they > remind me throughout of The Birthday Party. No bad thing at all. At > least they don't sound so much like the Go4 now. The lyrics are hard to > make out although some of the witchcraft theme of the new album can be > heard. The guitarist alternates with electronics and, for one song, a > small drum kit. Inter-song announcements are cleverly treated > electronically and form the start to the next track. I'm generally > impressed, but quit before the end as I want to make sure of seeing > KaitO upstairs. > > This turns out to be unnecessary as the organisers are waiting until one > band finishes before letting the next start but it at least lets us take > up a place at the front. Some in this situation would situate > themselves in front of Nikki or Gemma but for us old men there is only > one place - immediately before Dave Lake's incredible array of effects > pedals. But KaitO's appearance is being held up by some old guy and a > mate on the decks and frankly this is rather wonderful. Wait - I > recognise it! It's Irmin Schmidt and Kumo forcing Can's rhythms into > different shapes. This goes on for 20 minutes and its largely > blindingly good stuff. > > KaitO finally get on. My eighth time I reckon. The sound is too loud > for this to be one of the classics from the musical pov but it hardly > matters - the set (even the new numbers I've only heard once before) is > classic after classic. Dieter drums like a maniac, Gemma anchors the > sound and the vocal backing while smiling enigmatically as ever, Nikki > looks more like a star than ever and is exuding confidence (and why not, > fronting this band) and Dave - well. With the amount of work this man > does between playing, stamping on pedals and yelling into the mike I > fear he will be stiff in old age. Another formidable performance and I > stay right to the end, departing with a feeling of immense wellbeing and > almost a fear that I won't be able to cope with the emotional intensity > of seeing Wire immediately afterwards. > > I needn't have worried. There's an unexplained 20 minutes delay until > the boys come on at 1am. I haven't seen a band this late for years - > London bands almost always finish by 1130 at the latest nowadays. I am > consequently not at my physical peak - past my bedtime, having drunk too > much and coming down from an emotional high of having seen one of my > favourite bands. It takes me a while to get into the show therefore. > Uri has heard beforehand that there will be nothing new tonight and this > is true - the set follows that in Australia from Philip's reports. 99.9 > is done on tape, Colin bursting on and running from side to side of the > stage as he sings, Graham wielding a flashlight that he takes great > pleasure in blinding people with. As for KaitO, the sound is > distortingly loud and the music suffers in consequence. Colin's on good > active form, Graham (like Bruce, in tight black T-shirt, but with more > muscletone natch) seems to be metamorphosing from Steven Berkoff into > Full Metal Jacket's R Lee Ermey, Bruce as always is almost motionless, > half-turned from the audience and Robert plays with eyes closed. Agfers > is welcome and again makes one wonder why Graham's welcome vocals are > not heard more in this incarnation. Comet bombs along as it does and by > now, seven songs in, I'm warming up. The crowd - tightly packed, maybe > 200 people? - are moshing down the front and Graeme is conducting > proceedings from the floor. Art of Stopping is fine and then along comes > Spent which, as always, is magnificent. This is now a show-stopper, one > of the great Wire songs. I Don't Understand brings the Send set to an > end. We call for more. They return with Strange, 106 Beats That and > Surgeon's Girl. God, I love that song. Off and on again for a > performance of Pink Flag. Philip sang its praises from Oz and he's 100% > right. This is now an epic beast, extending for 3 minutes or more > before the lyrics start. I found myself hearing rhythms in the sound > which almost certainly weren't there. A great look from Colin after the > line "How many dead or alive" (a look which says "How should I know?"). > The noise is monstrous. The finest version of this song I've ever heard > live. They don't - can't - come back afterwards. It's 2am. > > Overall? Well, a combination of the noise distortion and the late hour > meant for me that this wasn't up there with the best (which remains > Brighton for me in this incarnation) but still, you have to love them. > And back to back with KaitO, not to mention Liars and Schmidt, made this > well worth the trip. But should there have been new material? Is this > a cause for concern? Graeme, for what its worth and as he's not here to > comment directly anymore, said that we should relish them doing what > they're doing irrespective of the lack of new stuff as its one of the > great live experiences. And I think he's broadly right. We'll sure > miss them when they're not doing it. But a bit nags that we should be > seeing some forward movement by now. Because Wire are all about forward > movement. > > Good to meet Bruno and to spend time with Uri. Looking forward to more > reports. > > Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:38:35 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] The Fall Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004 Fall fans may be intersted in the photo's from their recent US tour. It has been pointed ouyt that the rest of the band look scared to death = of their wheelchair ridden singer, and that the man himself is starting = to look like Robin Cook!! http://www.visi.com/fall/news/pics/04apr10_photos/04apr10_photos.html [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:06:05 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004 > Fall fans may be intersted in the photo's from their recent US tour. > > It has been pointed ouyt that the rest of the band look scared to death = > of their wheelchair ridden singer, and that the man himself is starting = > to look like Robin Cook!! True... the matured Chet Baker & Jimmy Cagney also come to mind... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:27:42 -0700 From: "Matt Hursh" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004 "True... the matured Chet Baker & Jimmy Cagney also come to mind..." ...and Gollum. I'm going to see them tonight. - -M >>> Bart van Damme 4/30/04 7:06:05 AM >>> > Fall fans may be intersted in the photo's from their recent US tour. > > It has been pointed ouyt that the rest of the band look scared to death = > of their wheelchair ridden singer, and that the man himself is starting = > to look like Robin Cook!! True... the matured Chet Baker & Jimmy Cagney also come to mind... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004 I think MES should 'give up' and go home.................I can see the headlines now 'the fall of the fall'.........Ari Keith Astbury wrote:Fall fans may be intersted in the photo's from their recent US tour. It has been pointed ouyt that the rest of the band look scared to death = of their wheelchair ridden singer, and that the man himself is starting = to look like Robin Cook!! http://www.visi.com/fall/news/pics/04apr10_photos/04apr10_photos.html [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004.url] Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:29:43 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Triptych - Edinburgh report Many thanks for the report Keith. I couldn't make it due to work commitments, and although I would have loved to have gone for the event and to meet up with an old Edinburgh based mate, the fact that it was the same old Wire set softens the blow. Maybe they've run out of ideas. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight > Back from Edinburgh and absolutely knackered - but nothing will prevent > your correspondent from reporting on last night. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004Pt.4 (or any other numb-er) Matt Hursh wrote: "True... the matured Chet Baker & Jimmy Cagney also come to mind..." ...and Gollum. I'm going to see them tonight. - -M Hope they're better than when I saw them in Chapel Hill last year, we left after 40 minutes..............they're playing here again soon,maybe I'll go just so I can boo them.Ari >>> Bart van Damme 4/30/04 7:06:05 AM >>> > Fall fans may be intersted in the photo's from their recent US tour. > > It has been pointed ouyt that the rest of the band look scared to death = > of their wheelchair ridden singer, and that the man himself is starting = > to look like Robin Cook!! True... the matured Chet Baker & Jimmy Cagney also come to mind... Bart Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 01:07:45 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall Hoboken, NJ - April 10, 2004 I got sick of reading the Teardrop Implodes headlines ever time a member of the Teardrop Explodes left the band. I think MES should 'give up' and go home.................I can see the headlines now 'the fall of the fall'.........Ari ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 10:39:05 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Triptych - Edinburgh report Thanks also for the report. Yes, update the setlist. Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Ian B" To: "Idealcopy" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Triptych - Edinburgh report Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:29:43 +0100 Many thanks for the report Keith. I couldn't make it due to work commitments, and although I would have loved to have gone for the event and to meet up with an old Edinburgh based mate, the fact that it was the same old Wire set softens the blow. Maybe they've run out of ideas. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight > Back from Edinburgh and absolutely knackered - but nothing will prevent > your correspondent from reporting on last night. _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #133 *******************************