From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #130 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, April 28 2004 Volume 07 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) [Adrian Cook] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Silo [P J Kane ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Silo [Andrew Walkingshaw ] [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 [RLynn9@] Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 [Mar] Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 [RLy] Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 [Aa] Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 [RLy] Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 / & spoken word! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) [Tim ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:52:55 +0100 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) KaitO are playing too? That'll be cool. I did a gig with them here in Norwich on Friday. They were amazing. - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Knight [mailto:steeleknight@lineone.net] Sent: 26 April 2004 23:53 To: 'Keith Astbury'; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) Thanks Keith. Just in time as I'm heading off to Edinburgh early in the morning. Thankfully the timetabling means that I'll get to see Wire, KaitO and The Liars - back to back! Report to follow. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 26 April 2004 20:45 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) Wire playing two sets at Aberdeen it seems. Latest News: ============ * We are very sorry to have to announce that it will NOT be possible to present the RE~TG event as planned on May 14th-16th 2004. All ticket holders will be offered a FULL refund from point of purchase. For more information go here: http://www.mute.com/tg/retg.html * Triptych festival stage times are now available for the shows in Glasgow, Edinburgh & Aberdeen http://www.mute.com/mute/news/triptych04.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:37:22 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Silo TIM said: << I'd also say, they picked up that musical thread that Seefeel/Disco Inferno/Bark Psychosis et al had started back in the mid 90s..before Oasis/Britpop came along and it was all forgotten.... >> ah. _that_ got my attention. i have ordered a copy of _Instar_, which i found online for dirt cheap. thanks for the recommendation all... << in short.....they sound like Ocean Colour Scene never happened. >> heh. that woudl be a great album title: "like Ocean Colour Scene never happened". good one Tim. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:44:56 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Silo On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 01:37:22PM +0000, P J Kane wrote: > heh. that woudl be a great album title: "like Ocean Colour Scene > never happened". good one Tim. Imagine no Chris Evans. (It's easy if you try.) Bliss! - - A, radio nerd (radio is torpedoing my ability to go to Wire gigs, though, which is a drag.) - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 10pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:33:33 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 so i had the rather dubious honor of seeing The Fall live last night...in a 28 minute blaze of glory...seems Mr. Smith and the Gang "forgot" that the venue was a 1 a.m. bar and not a 3 a.m. .....so they took their sweet old time leaving the hotel apparantly not thinking that they even needed a soundcheck even though there were 3 bands that played before them (one of which were The Low Flying Owls..who in my opinion, were boring as hell, tired old rock-n-roll cliches)....one of the doormen at the club whispered to a few people that the owner was frantic because The Fall were doing this on purpose because Mark E. Smith was in a bad mood, and bitched that the club was too small... boo hoo....like it makes any fucking difference...he was sitting in chair (because of his injury in January) the whole time.... so basically The Fall hurried through a 28 minute set (the police are very strict about clubs/bars closing at exactly 1 am especially since this was an all ages show and curfews for minors around these parts is 2 am ...) and seemed completely uninterested to be there....Mr. Smith kept dropping his microphone , forgetting lyrics, and sometimes didn't bother warbling at all.... note to rock stars (even ancient ones): don't take your petty problems and arrogant attitudes out on those faithful who pay good money to see you play.....there were plenty of fans who never had the opportunity to see the Fall who walked away feeling let down.... i would have asked for money back (and used it to buy the new Coil or Nurse With Wound cd) but the people who manage the club are pricks who would have had me beaten up by their "punk" bouncers.... oh well, at least i have the Legendary Pink Dots to look forward to next month..now there's a live band who never disappoints me ... RL np - Terry Riley "Shri Camel" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:23:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 > >>note to rock stars (even ancient ones): > don't take your petty problems and arrogant attitudes out on those faithful > who pay good money to see you play.....there were plenty of fans who never > had > the opportunity to see the Fall who walked away feeling let down....<< Sounds like you saw a classic Fall gig, but have missed the point entirely ;-) Goodnight Atlanta, you're the greatest! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:43:33 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 In a message dated 4/27/04 10:23:51 AM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > Sounds like you saw a classic Fall gig, but have missed the point entirely ;- > ) > > Goodnight Atlanta, you're the greatest! > > Mark > ???????? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > > Sounds like you saw a classic Fall gig, but have missed the point entirely > ???????? Probably the most memorable, and in retrospect entertaining, moments of the two Fall shows I've been to involved Mark E. being a jackass. But his antics can make a passable show appealling, not a terrible one. Says I. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:53:31 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 In a message dated 4/27/04 10:26:37 AM Central Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Sounds like you saw a classic Fall gig, but have missed the point entirely > ;-) > > Goodnight Atlanta, you're the greatest! > > Mark > well that's great and all...if you have money to piss away....but i didn't fight in the punk rock wars so i do not recieve a pension or benefits....i have to ration my money a little more carefully....and if i'm gonna shell out money to stand in a smoke filled bar breathing the same polluted air as a bunch of "scenesters" and phonies that i despise then i expect a decent show..not a 28 minute going through the motions.....or do some rockers forget that this is how they ply their trade? ...otherwise, don't bother me...go write books or do spoken word tours for pretentious college students.... this is why i love so much electronic music....i can get lost in the music in my headphones....most of the artists do not tour or if they do, i am not interested...i don't have to stand around with a bunch of knobs who smoke like chimneys or deal with a bunch of shitty personalities who think that the audience who they gladly take money from are beneath contempt.... RL np - Chris Clark - Empty the Bones of You ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:19:07 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 / & spoken word! I've only seen the Fall a couple of times and Smith's been pretty well behaved. However, I sent Robert's review to a lad in Manchester who sent the following reply... "it sounds like the same attitude at the recent Bridgewater Hall 'spoken word' event. A mate of mine went along and said it was "disastrous" ....also Pete Shelley was embarrasing." What's the feeling on spoken word' discs? Does anyone actually like them? I've got the odd 'interview' disc and quite like them, cos you're just hearing the person you like give that interview. And hearing it rather than reading it is kinda interesting - occasionally! But actual spoken word discs where the speaking is the actual concept? Are they not just a tad* self-indulgent? It's ok if you have a voice like James Mason, but otherwise...it's bollocks. If I wanted to hear someone like MES talk, I'd go to the pub and sittest next to the nearest pisshead! I've just bought the double Sons of TC Lethbridge cd (Julian Cope related). Disc one has it's moments (well Julian's on it!), but disc 2 just sounds like some old geezer (it's Colin Wilson) prattling endlessly over some ambient drones. It's tedious. I'm not sure I'll ever play it again. Keith * Do you not think that the word 'tad' should have an altogether larger meaning post-Tad ; ) np Killing Joke - ASTEROID!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 > In a message dated 4/27/04 10:26:37 AM Central Daylight Time, > MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > > Sounds like you saw a classic Fall gig, but have missed the point entirely > > ;-) > > > > Goodnight Atlanta, you're the greatest! > > > > Mark > > > > > well that's great and all...if you have money to piss away....but i didn't > fight in the punk rock wars so i do not recieve a pension or benefits....i have > to ration my money a little more carefully....and if i'm gonna shell out money > to stand in a smoke filled bar breathing the same polluted air as a bunch of > "scenesters" and phonies that i despise then i expect a decent show..not a 28 > minute going through the motions.....or do some rockers forget that this is > how they ply their trade? ...otherwise, don't bother me...go write books or do > spoken word tours for pretentious college students.... > > this is why i love so much electronic music....i can get lost in the music in > my headphones....most of the artists do not tour or if they do, i am not > interested...i don't have to stand around with a bunch of knobs who smoke like > chimneys or deal with a bunch of shitty personalities who think that the audience > who they gladly take money from are beneath contempt.... > > RL > np - Chris Clark - Empty the Bones of You ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:44:44 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 In a message dated 27/04/2004 18:04:27 GMT Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: this is why i love so much electronic music....i can get lost in the music in my headphones....most of the artists do not tour or if they do, i am not interested... You would love Silo then Robert.... Chris - anxiously awaiting Friday & Wire.Pansonic, The Liars & Mr John Peel. See you there.... NP.The Mars Volta - Deloused In The Comatorium ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:40:50 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 > >>well that's great and all...if you have money to piss away....but i > didn't > fight in the punk rock wars so i do not recieve a pension or benefits....i > have > to ration my money a little more carefully....and if i'm gonna shell out > money > to stand in a smoke filled bar breathing the same polluted air as a bunch of > > "scenesters" and phonies that i despise then i expect a decent show..not a > 28 > minute going through the motions.....or do some rockers forget that this is > how they ply their trade?<< Surely part of the fun of live music is the unpredictability? If you want a "decent show" from "rockers plying their trade" go and see the Dave Matthews Band. >>> this is why i love so much electronic music....i can get lost in the > music in > my headphones....most of the artists do not tour or if they do, i am not > interested...i don't have to stand around with a bunch of knobs who smoke > like > chimneys or deal with a bunch of shitty personalities who think that the > audience > who they gladly take money from are beneath contempt....<< There was a time when your very own hero Mr Christ 666 himself used to tour. You can read about his live debut here http://www.brainwashed.com/c93/shows/042385.html and here http://www.brainwashed.com/axis/c93/100club.htm Sounds estimation of the gig at 10 minutes was somewhat optimistic. Now would you have complaimned about that? Or would you still remember it 19 years later? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 00:20:58 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] gbv split Dunno if the GBV fans here (Bart, Ian) know this. but I just read this on the JC website. gbv are to split after 20 years after their next n last album in august. i'm gutted. my fave band (if you include jc as a solo artiste). "alien lanes" is one of the greatest record sof all time. long live gbv! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:09:37 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) Two sets from Wire. I wonder if they are doing the 'Flag Burning' thing again. I thought that was a one-off.... Or perhaps the Manscape Burning? Either way I can't imagine its going to be 2 R&B sets so someones in for a treat. So the Throbbing Gristle weekender is off. On paper, it looked like a heavy scene..with sets from Merzbow, etc. Coil were playing too, so perhaps Pontins were worried that the laundry bill would bankrupt them...(sorry Robert!) Was anyone planning to go?? Suppose it was a tad ambitious. TG could have sold out the RFH as Wire and many other fringe acts have done no problem at all... However, The logistics of attending one of these events at Camber Sands Holiday Camp are tricky at the best of times..Yer TG fan needs to find at least 2 other TG fans to share a chalet, and who are able to fork out for the travel and ticket costs. The curious might be put off at the thought of a whole weekend of holiday camp heaviosity. NP: Claro Intelecto - Neurofibro (pure class, gleaming shiny techno of the soulful variety) > > > /-------Original Message-------/ > > /*From:*/ Keith Astbury > /*Date:*/ 04/26/04 20:54:41 > /*To:*/ idealcopy@smoe.org > /*Subject:*/ [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) > > Wire playing two sets at Aberdeen it seems. > > > Latest News: > ============ > > * We are very sorry to have to announce that it will NOT be possible to > present the RE~TG event as planned on May 14th-16th 2004. All ticket holders > will be offered a FULL refund from point of purchase. For more information > go here: > http://www.mute.com/tg/retg.html > > * Triptych festival stage times are now available for the shows in Glasgow, > Edinburgh & Aberdeen > http://www.mute.com/mute/news/triptych04.html > . > > > ____________________________________________________ > /IncrediMail/ - > *Email has finally evolved* - *_Click Here_* > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:25:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] gbv split > gbv are to split after 20 years after their next n last album in august. > i'm > gutted. my fave band (if you include jc as a solo artiste). "alien lanes" is > one of the greatest record sof all time. > long live gbv! Will it make any difference? The current band bears little resemblance to the 'classic' GBV line-up (in the same way thet today's Fall is hardly Scanlon/Hanley/Bramah/Burns). I'd expect an annual Rob Pollard solo album, sounding much like the recent (and pretty good) GBV albums, but with different hired hands on gtr/bass/drums. Let's face it, Bob's not about to head off in a new acid kraut mambo direction.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:42:48 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 In a message dated 4/27/04 1:44:44 PM Central Daylight Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > You would love Silo then Robert.... > > yes...i do like Silo.. i have both albums...but my favorite Swim artists are Immersion, Lobe and Symptoms RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 20:49:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 In a message dated 4/27/04 2:40:50 PM Central Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > Surely part of the fun of live music is the unpredictability? If you want a > "decent show" from "rockers plying their trade" go and see the Dave Matthews > Band.>>>>>>> i would rather be stabbed repeatedly with a rusty spoon... > > > > > There was a time when your very own hero Mr Christ 666 himself used to tour. > You can read about his live debut here > > http://www.brainwashed.com/c93/shows/042385.html>>>>>> not a big Current 93 fan..sorry....AND Current 93 are far from an electronic band....AND furthermore, i would be pissed off if Coil, Nurse With Wound, Autechre, Bruce Gilbert, Pete Namlook, Boards of Canada etc etc etc blah blah blah showed up late for a show, copped an attitude, were thouroughly uninterested to be there, and played a crap set that lasted as long as some people's morning dumps... nice try though my friend RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:30:56 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cigar suckin' knob twiddler In a message dated 4/24/04 8:36:02 AM Central Daylight Time, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: > Whilst idly leafing through the latest edition of The > Wire I was taken by a fetching shot of a bespoke > besuited Bruce with cigar in an ad for the Table Of > The Elements release of his album, Ordier. > > which issue is this? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 22:44:31 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FALLing through..or: Why i Hate Rock-n-Roll part 753 if i went to a gig, say this fall gig for example, and the fall only played 28 mins of driveling twaddle, i would be pretty disappointed IF there was nothing else to the event. of course, if the opening act turns out to be scummy lumpenproletariat then the evening's a bust, but generally i don't mind a short set or an off night from the headliner cuz the rest of the event can make going out worthwhile. i understand where robert's coming from though, cuz it's a major effort for me to go out to a show these days, time and money and life in general all being factors. my friend was at the nyc fall gig several years ago (ya know, the night mes got arrested) and he had a great time (my friend, not mr smith). the times i've seen the fall probably would rate pretty well with robert, all decent length and with mes pretty "on", only at one show did i see what's become a popular trait of his, the walking off and on stage, fiddling with the amps, and at that gig he put the mic in the bass drum. very memorable :o) - -paul c.d. np: he said-hail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:14:00 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) Yes, this sucker was! Still i get to see a TG Recording Session...yeah, right..if it ever happens. Tim np C.DVA Thirst - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Tim To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: Fw: [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 01:09:37 +0100 Two sets from Wire. I wonder if they are doing the 'Flag Burning' thing again. I thought that was a one-off.... Or perhaps the Manscape Burning? Either way I can't imagine its going to be 2 R&B sets so someones in for a treat. So the Throbbing Gristle weekender is off. On paper, it looked like a heavy scene..with sets from Merzbow, etc. Coil were playing too, so perhaps Pontins were worried that the laundry bill would bankrupt them...(sorry Robert!) Was anyone planning to go?? Suppose it was a tad ambitious. TG could have sold out the RFH as Wire and many other fringe acts have done no problem at all... However, The logistics of attending one of these events at Camber Sands Holiday Camp are tricky at the best of times..Yer TG fan needs to find at least 2 other TG fans to share a chalet, and who are able to fork out for the travel and ticket costs. The curious might be put off at the thought of a whole weekend of holiday camp heaviosity. NP: Claro Intelecto - Neurofibro (pure class, gleaming shiny techno of the soulful variety) > /-------Original Message-------/ > /*From:*/ Keith Astbury >/*Date:*/ 04/26/04 20:54:41 >/*To:*/ idealcopy@smoe.org >/*Subject:*/ [idealcopy] Fw: [Mute] This week at Mute (w/c 26 Apr 04) > Wire playing two sets at Aberdeen it seems. > Latest News: >============ > * We are very sorry to have to announce that it will NOT be possible to >present the RE~TG event as planned on May 14th-16th 2004. All ticket >holders >will be offered a FULL refund from point of purchase. For more information >go here: > http://www.mute.com/tg/retg.html > * Triptych festival stage times are now available for the shows in >Glasgow, >Edinburgh & Aberdeen > http://www.mute.com/mute/news/triptych04.html >. > > >____________________________________________________ > /IncrediMail/ - >*Email has finally evolved* - *_Click Here_* > _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 07:55:00 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] gbv split >> Dunno if the GBV fans here (Bart, Ian) know this. but I just read this on >> the JC website. I had not heard it. Strange news to me, especially the official character of it. GBV has changed line-ups so very often that this doesn't really strike me as being terrible news. I'm sure there'll be more great tunes with whatever backing band. >> gbv are to split after 20 years after their next n last album in august. >> i'm >> gutted. my fave band (if you include jc as a solo artiste). "alien lanes" is >> one of the greatest record sof all time. >> long live gbv! > Will it make any difference? The current band bears little resemblance to the > 'classic' GBV line-up (in the same way thet today's Fall is hardly > Scanlon/Hanley/Bramah/Burns). My thoughts exactly. Mr. Pollard has changed his band so many times now - sometimes it was just Cobra Verde with Pollard on vocals. > I'd expect an annual Rob Pollard solo album, sounding much > like the recent (and pretty good) GBV albums, but with different hired hands > on gtr/bass/drums. Let's face it, Bob's not about to head off in a new acid > kraut mambo direction.... I'm sure he'll keep close as ever to his 3 beloved P's: pop, prog and punk. Bart From http://www.gbv.com SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT FROM GUIDED BY VOICES After almost 20 years, assorted lineups, and countless albums, EPs, singles, triples, stolen bases, misdemeanor convictions, and broken hearts, Dayton, OH's fortunate sons are taking leave of your senses. 'Half Smiles Of The Decomposed,' to be released August 24 on Matador Records, will be the final album from Guided By Voices, one of the most acclaimed independent rock bands of all time. "This feels like the last album for Guided By Voices," explains Robert Pollard, GBV's lone constant member, lead singer, and famously prolific songwriter. "I've always said that when I make a record that I'm totally satisfied with as befitting a final album, then that will be it. And this is it." 'Half Smiles Of The Decomposed' is the band's 15th full-length studio release, following 2003's 'Earthquake Glue' and retrospective box set, greatest-hits, and DVD releases. Although its tour later this year will be the band's last, Robert Pollard will continue writing, recording, and (possibly) touring as a solo artist. "I love the guys in the band, but I'm getting too old to be a gang leader," he explains. "There's a sense of maturity, and even integrity, I think, in continuing as one's own self." ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #130 *******************************