From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #108 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, April 6 2004 Volume 07 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #104 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #107 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #107 [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] Re: [idealcopy] eardrum paul wrote... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Chairs Still Missing [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? ["Matt Hursh" ] RE: [idealcopy] great Stereolab deal! [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? [Paul Pietromonaco ] RE: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] rare Wire cd on ebay??? (Wire Content) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monoch] Re: [idealcopy] rare Wire cd on ebay??? (Wire Content) [Ari Britt Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:39:54 EST > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > >> >> Hmm, must have been the early 90s then. I was surprised too at his >> desire to be a guitar hero b and Thomasb willingness to put up with it > as he doesn >> bt give the impression of someone who lets others dominate.<< > > Wonder what he did in between leaving Pere Ubu in 79 to becoming the mad > axe wanker in 90? > I'm just catching up with the weekend's digests so perhaps people have now grasped - It wasn't Tom. He returned to Ubu in 1998. He left Ubu in 79 to work on an oil rig. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:52:54 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 Hi Keith - I'd be interested to know when this was. Was it a one-off ? I also saw Herman with Ubu live when he returned in 98. He was very much one of the band. if anything dominated it was the drums. Are you just saying he was mixed too high the night you saw them ? Not his fault surely. So undominating was his playing that at the end of the set they were joined by support act Wayne Kramer to beef up the sound. If you've heard the last two Ubu albums (Thomas now produces the band) one of the most frustrating things is the interesting guitar work which is often mixed far too low. Fair enough if you really don't like Tom but I'm still not convinced he was the guilty party in question. Regards, Tony. - --On 04 April 2004 19:54 +0100 Keith Knight wrote: > Thanks Tony - this message crossed with the flurry on Friday when I > acknowledged to Mr Bursa that it must have been the 90s. It's still > Herman that I'm objecting to rather than Jim Jones (who I also saw with > Ubu). I saw him live in the 70s with the full band and he didn't sound > then like he does now. I'm probably overreacting to how bad he was but > he definitely spoilt the sound balance of what is one of my favourite > live acts. > > Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:03:33 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #107 > - -----Original Message----- > From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] > >>> It was certainly after all the others had left which did piss me off > as I really liked Tony > > > Maimone as a live performer << > > Agreed. The Heart of Darkness bassline is the root of Peter Hook's > sound, for certain. Saw Maimone outside the context of Pere Ubu once, in > Bob Mould's band (with Anton Fier on Drums). This Ubu stuff is certainly bringing out my anorak tendencies. Maimone was a great player but Heart of Darkness was before his time. Tim Wright I believe. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:23:04 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #107 > This Ubu stuff is certainly bringing out my anorak tendencies. Maimone was > a great player but Heart of Darkness was before his time. Tim Wright I > believe. Oh, good call! Definite GA for that one! Mind you, Maimone played that bass line damn well! Another line-up factoid - the fantastic Ravensteinsims on Final Solution are not provided by Ravenstein but by someone called Dave Taylor. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:41:35 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu - --On 05 April 2004 06:23 -0400 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > This Ubu stuff is certainly bringing out my anorak tendencies. Maimone > was > a great player but Heart of Darkness was before his time. Tim Wright I > believe. > > Oh, good call! Definite GA for that one! > > Mind you, Maimone played that bass line damn well! > > Another line-up factoid - the fantastic Ravensteinsims on Final Solution > are not provided by Ravenstein but by someone called Dave Taylor. > > Mark Yeah - there was a lot of coming and going on those early singles before you get to the "original" line up that did the first three albums. The first Ubu single (30 Seconds Over Tokyo/Heart of Darkness) was meant as a one-off to document some of the stuff by the disbanding Rocket From The Tombs. It just gathered its own momentum thankfully. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:49:01 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu > >>Yeah - there was a lot of coming and going on those early singles before > you get to the "original" line up that did the first three albums. << Ravenstein is on 30 seconds/HoD but then leaves, and returns after Final Solution. >>The > first Ubu single (30 Seconds Over Tokyo/Heart of Darkness) was meant > as a > one-off to document some of the stuff by the disbanding Rocket From The > Tombs. It just gathered its own momentum thankfully.<< Did anybodyt see any of the RFTT US dates last year? They haven't made it over here as yet. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:00:55 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu > Yeah - there was a lot of coming and going on those early singles before > you get to the "original" line up that did the first three albums. The > first Ubu single (30 Seconds Over Tokyo/Heart of Darkness) was meant as a > one-off to document some of the stuff by the disbanding Rocket From The > Tombs. It just gathered its own momentum thankfully. > > Tony. > Just remembered - the Datapanic Box Set has a recording of "Proto-Ubu" working Heart of Darkness out. T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:02:00 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] eardrum paul wrote... > >> my students aren't the downloaders. they're the shoplifters! > > > >Great "casual" inbetween line for a song Paul! > > > >Bart > > sounds like a battle of the bands to me ... > > dan Or an updated version of West Side Story... Keith PS We should send this to Morrissey. It's starting to resemble a Moz song!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:15:07 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: great Stereolab deal! Personally, I think that Margerine Eclipse is the best Stereolab album in quite a while...probably since Emperor Tomato Ketchup. I certainly think that it has a better flow than Dots And Loops or Sound-dust, although those were good albums in their own right. I'll be at the Stereolab show here in Atlanta on 4/22/04. Jason Now Playing: James Brown - Live At The Apollo 1962 (remastered) >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:22:36 EST >From: RLynn9@aol.com >Subject: [idealcopy] great Stereolab deal! > >wow, my local record shop just had the best deal....they gave away a free >Stereolab ticket (they are in town next Thursday) with the purchase of the >new >Stereolab cd they were only offering 30 of these bargains and i got the >last one >as soon as they opened this morning...i rarely ever buy new cds but at >$15.99 >i couldn't pass this up....the tickets to the show are $17.50......listened >to the cd on the bus this morning and it's pretty standard Stereolab fare >but >of so good on a sunny spring morning.... > _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 06:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Self portrait with hangover Einsturzende Neubauten in Dublin last night... a powerful show... the new material really came to life in a live setting... a solid muscular sound, felt through the body. The real treat was hearing the old numbers, especially when they did Haus Der Luege, which segued into Armenia. Holy shit. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. HDL is like a concerto. The set was somewhat hampered by the fact that the stage was about half the size they needed (booking agency - take note !), so some equipment had to be swapped over between songs, which was somewhat awkward but Blixa and the boys made light of it and just got on with things. I'm sure glad I don't work for Blixa as he's quite the slavedriver, givin' out to the technicians, you could sense the band's weary familiarity with his impatience. He reminded me a little of Klaus Kinski. Without the psychotic dimension. That said though, he's quite the seasoned performer, there's a certain skewed elegance to the man that is quite charming. He's pretty relaxed, and not averse to a bit of chat between songs. He did mention the whole Stevo/Some Bizarre shituation, and the plan was to direct a hex at him if he turned up in London... On another note, as a non-smoker, it was such a relief to come home from a gig and not have your clothes infested with the rank odour of stale cigarettes. Blixa gave up a year ago, so it didn't affect him directly. Don't know how the others fared. Also don't know how they're going to adequatley police this law, which is great news for us non-smokers, but a bit tough on the rest. Evening nicely rounded off with some backstage chat & signing with the lads, thanks to my good friend Paul Smyth, who had the job of interviewing Alex Hacke before the gig, but ended up interviewing Blixa. Poor fucker nearly shat himself when Blixa turned up instead of Alex. He's not the easiest subject in interview apparently. Though he mellowed as things progressed. So Paul fucked off with some of the band back to their hotel (only so much room in the taxi - ya fucker Smyth!), while I went for a pint with guitarist Jochen Arbeit. A sweet guy (long time guitarist with Die Haut), and a big Wire fan. He was bowled over by their last gig in Berlin, and would love to see them again. So I told him about Graham & Bruce's upcoming appearance at Podewil. He was well pleased. A little later I'm in the carpeted quiet space of his hotel room sharing beer and listening to music on his laptop thinking how slightly surreal all of this was. A night to remember. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:02:37 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? i need some advice....my local used cd shop has just purchased several large Fall collections (around 50 different cds) ..i have some extra spending cash..which three or four Fall cds do any of you consider "essential" ? RL np - Pere Ubu "Modern Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Self portrait with hangover/ Ireland's smoking ban Fergus Kelly wrote: On another note, as a non-smoker, it was such a relief to come home from a gig and not have your clothes infested with the rank odour of stale cigarettes. Blixa gave up a year ago, so it didn't affect him directly. Don't know how the others fared. Also don't know how they're going to adequatley police this law, which is great news for us non-smokers, but a bit tough on the rest. I look at the Irish smoking ban with trepidation, as I feel it's only a matter of time before Nanny Blair & co start toying with the idea of introducing a similar initiative here in mainland UK. As a member of the persecuted minority known as smokers, I am often locking horns with what I can only describe as the 'militant' non-smoking tendency..... I can sympathise to some degree with those people, who, like Fergus, don't smoke, and wish not to breathe my secondhand smoke. I reckon this can only reasonably be applied to those situations where there is a captive volume of air, but it's my suspicion that the anti-tobacco militia only regard this as a staging post on the road to an outright ban. Now that pubs & clubs have succumbed, what next? Sports stadia? Railway & bus stations? I reckon the anti-tobacco lobby won't be happy 'til all of us smokers are forced to indulge our habit by torchlight in a cupboard underneath the stairs. Also, I'd be a bit more sympathetic to their alleged interest in my health if, after having given me dagger looks or (in extremis) sternly lecturing me, they didn't then haul off and clamber into a three-litre SUV which blows out more particulates and other carcinogens in a minute than I could with an entire lifetime full of chain-smoking . As a current non-driving cyclist, I reckon I should get some allowances made for my tobacco-based gaseous exhaust........ ;-) Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:55:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chairs Still Missing Keith Astbury wrote: ............... and of course, Outdoor Miner where melody and arrangements collide to make one of the most gorgeous slices of pop perfection I've heard. And whoever said they disliked the clunky piano addition on the 7" version can go and spank themselves with dock leaves as far as I'm concerned. I love it! At this juncture, I should probably stand and enter a 'guilty' plea, as I recall saying that I didn't think the song needed it. Moreover, the 'piano' itself sounds like a toy that'd fallen out of an Xmas cracker. Outdoor miner *is* a joy to listen to, it just didn't need *that* solo..... I shall go and pick the dock leaves now..........;-) [ incidentally, that's quite sporting of you, Keith: a nastier guy than you would have prescribed a liberal spanking with *nettles*, so I'm indebted. (Unless you've got some hitherto unknown venomous species of dock leaves down there in the valleys.........] Still think Elvis Costello ripped it off, mind ; ) //// Dunno. Can't stand listening to *that* nasal little troll myself, so I wouldn't know.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:55:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chairs Still Missing Keith Astbury wrote: ............... and of course, Outdoor Miner where melody and arrangements collide to make one of the most gorgeous slices of pop perfection I've heard. And whoever said they disliked the clunky piano addition on the 7" version can go and spank themselves with dock leaves as far as I'm concerned. I love it! At this juncture, I should probably stand and enter a 'guilty' plea, as I recall saying that I didn't think the song needed it. Moreover, the 'piano' itself sounds like a toy that'd fallen out of an Xmas cracker. Outdoor miner *is* a joy to listen to, it just didn't need *that* solo..... I shall go and pick the dock leaves now..........;-) [ incidentally, that's quite sporting of you, Keith: a nastier guy than you would have prescribed a liberal spanking with *nettles*, so I'm indebted. (Unless you've got some hitherto unknown venomous species of dock leaves down there in the valleys.........] Still think Elvis Costello ripped it off, mind ; ) //// Dunno. Can't stand listening to *that* nasal little troll myself, so I wouldn't know.... Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:56:07 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? if i *must* trim it to 3 or 4 ... live at the witch trials this nation's saving grace frenz experiment light user syndrome those are all studio lps, of course. if you want to go for singles collections, you'll have to wait till i'm more awake (just got up) ... dan >i need some advice....my local used cd shop has just purchased several large >Fall collections (around 50 different cds) ..i have some extra spending >cash..which three or four Fall cds do any of you consider "essential" ? > >RL >np - Pere Ubu "Modern Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:58:07 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT More Ubu >Did anybodyt see any of the RFTT US dates last year? They haven't made it >over here as yet. > >Mark yep -- excellent. dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > i need some advice....my local used cd shop has just purchased several > large Fall collections (around 50 different cds) ..i have some extra > spending cash..which three or four Fall cds do any of you consider > "essential" ? Live At The Witch Trials (not live - first studio album) Perverted By Language The Wonderful & Frightening World Levitate or Marshall Suite (much much more recent) If they've got Palace Of Swords Reversed, that's a good collection covering the early years. 458489 is a decent 80s collection. A World Bewitched collects the decent tracks from the (mostly weak) 90s albums but I think is a double CD with rarities, so may not be a good first purchase. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:10:23 -0700 From: "Matt Hursh" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? Live at the Witch Trials Dragnet The Unutterable Grotesque The Real New Fall LP The A Sides (nice overview of their/his 80s stuff) That's a bit of luck there...finding used Fall around here (TX) is very slim, and I even work in a used record store. Matt >>> 4/5/04 12:02:37 PM >>> i need some advice....my local used cd shop has just purchased several large Fall collections (around 50 different cds) ..i have some extra spending cash..which three or four Fall cds do any of you consider "essential" ? RL np - Pere Ubu "Modern Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:13:26 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? wow ...what a coincidence...no sooner do i ask advice on used Fall cds , and i find in today's entertainment paper that the Fall will be playing live at our local "punk" bar (dive..hole in the wall) RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:44:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] BBC - Classic Rock-Pop Review - Wire, Read & Burn 01 PaulR recently sent a BBC review of Send. Just noticed that R&B1 is also = there, and I cant recall reading it myself.=20 Check out the listeners comments, too - one 'Wire fan' doesn't like it. = He/she thinks it sounds like Limp Bizkit or Slipnot!! Anyway, here's the review... Wire. Art school punks. 1977. Played the Roxy. Brian Eno meets the = Ramones. Too clever for the Clash. Pink Flag. Distorted guitars. Great = drummer. Intelligent. Good tunes. Two singers. Lyrics: precise, = descriptive, witty. Very "English".=20 Added keyboards. More European. Good tunes. Distorted guitars. Harold = Pinter.154. "Map Reference": almost a hit in a parallel universe. Dropped by EMI. Amazing really they were ever on EMI. Got even more arty. Virtues became faults. Bogged down in pretentious = electronics and arty events. Forgot about the tunes. Stopped listening = to them. Seminal: Only musicians ever liked them. Ripped off by Elastica. 2002. New CD. Songs: six. Fast. Short. Guitars: distorted. Vocals: = distorted. Production: distorted. Great drummer returns. Irony. Wit. = Political: "Germ Ship: sponsored by Ford". 16 minutes long. Short songs, = could be shorter. One like Killing Joke but faster and funnier. Sounds = like a rock band but from 2002, not 1968. Return to form. "Is this the Sex Pistols?" said my brother in law. I had to shut the = door so he wouldn't be bothered by it. A good sign. Noisier than the vacuum cleaner. Good VFM. Good to burn. Reviewer: Nick Reynolds http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/classicpop/reviews/wire_read.shtml [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC - Classic Rock-Pop Review - Wire, Read & Burn 01.url] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:32:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] new moz single... Calling Morrissey fans. "Best Moz single for a decade!" = http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/entertainment/music/singlereviews/stori= es/Detail_LinkStory=3D86272.html [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of ManchesterOnline - Entertainment - Music - Reviews.url] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:36:03 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 Looking at my past gig lists I reckon it must have been 17 Nov 95 (80s - hah!) at LA2. No details specifically kept, but in end of year order it finished below Oasis and a Faust gig that I only experienced from outside the venue![1] Whereas two years earlier they captured second best gig of the year for their performance at the Clapham Grand (June 93), beaten only by a mighty Killdozer performance at the Garage - Michael Gerald standing on a box and a sing-along American Pie (full version as an encore). I've found a timeline of Ubu gigs online - http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/faqs/timeline.html which tallies with these dates. No. it wasn't the mix - he played guitar that night in a way I thought was completely inappropriate for Ubu. I haven't turned out for them since (although I've seen number of other Thomas gigs - Two Pale Boys / Mirror Man / Shockheaded Peter). And it was definitely Herman too - thin chap in specs. Perhaps he's toned it down since from your description (at Thomas' request? - given that he also seems to be taking it out on the album mixes). Another the Keith [1] I'd been to see Waterson:Carthy at the Purcell Rooms while Faust were playing the adjacent QEH - as I recall I'd already got the W:C tickets otherwise I'd have gone to see Faust - I think it was their first London gig for some time. In the W:C interval, the noise coming out of the QEH was so loud that the stewards (the usual retirees that the South Bank employs) were fleeing, hands over ears. What I could hear was pure Faust noise assault - marvellous. - -----Original Message----- From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk [mailto:rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] Sent: 05 April 2004 09:53 To: Keith Knight; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 Hi Keith - I'd be interested to know when this was. Was it a one-off ? I also saw Herman with Ubu live when he returned in 98. He was very much one of the band. if anything dominated it was the drums. Are you just saying he was mixed too high the night you saw them ? Not his fault surely. So undominating was his playing that at the end of the set they were joined by support act Wayne Kramer to beef up the sound. If you've heard the last two Ubu albums (Thomas now produces the band) one of the most frustrating things is the interesting guitar work which is often mixed far too low. Fair enough if you really don't like Tom but I'm still not convinced he was the guilty party in question. Regards, Tony. - --On 04 April 2004 19:54 +0100 Keith Knight wrote: > Thanks Tony - this message crossed with the flurry on Friday when I > acknowledged to Mr Bursa that it must have been the 90s. It's still > Herman that I'm objecting to rather than Jim Jones (who I also saw with > Ubu). I saw him live in the 70s with the full band and he didn't sound > then like he does now. I'm probably overreacting to how bad he was but > he definitely spoilt the sound balance of what is one of my favourite > live acts. > > Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:42:41 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? The Frenz Experiment Perverted by Language Hex Enduction Hour This Nation's Saving Grace The Wonderful and Frightening World of... Dragnet Not necessarily in that order. You do need a singles collection too. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of RLynn9@aol.com Sent: 05 April 2004 18:03 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? i need some advice....my local used cd shop has just purchased several large Fall collections (around 50 different cds) ..i have some extra spending cash..which three or four Fall cds do any of you consider "essential" ? RL np - Pere Ubu "Modern Dance" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: worst guitarist Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/2/04 5:04:57 AM, B.Clements@bepp.co.uk writes: << Fripp? Surely he's fine when reigned in by Eno/Bowie, while Adrian Belew had his moments with David Byrne, I seem to remember... >> and although brian may's hair would get along well with kenny g's, i think may plays too tastefully for this band as well. shouldn't the spot be held by a more van halen-esque player? who is the cheesiest of that lot? ///The most pointlessly, tasteless widdly fretwanker just *has* to be Yngie Malmsteen. ///// His crass approximations of 'Paganini for guitar, spandex and poodle-mane' usually has me losing the will to live after a couple of minutes......... :-( Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:59:52 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] great Stereolab deal! > Makes me wonder if the Pixies getting back together has > anything to do with > a possible personal reunion of Frank & Kim... > It could be possible... From http://www.frankblack.net/bio/default.asp?page=frank "He and his long-time wife have gone their separate ways" Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:15:13 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? Asking a group of Fall fans to choose their essential Fall albums is asking for trouble. You'll NEVER get a consensus. Two of the albums that others have recommended would be at the very bottom of my list - I wouldn't advise you to actually avoid any Fall albums, but the last ones you need are Levitate and Light User Syndrome. The Fall really were running on empty in 95-97. BTW this is an identified syndrome that is mentioned in Mick Mercer's recent MES biography - just about every Fall fan, no matter how hardcore (and the hard core is as hard a core as a core can get - there are Fans that have seen hundreds of Fall gigs) has a period in their lives when they paid no attention to the Fall, didn't buy the records or go to the gigs, but then returned refreshed. However the "missing" period remains a closed book to them. That mid-90s era was the one for me. I didn't see the Fall between summer 93 and summer 98, and only retrospectively bought Levitate & LUS. Neither of which I like much. For my money there are three essential periods: 1979-83; 90-92; 2001-date. No record collection should be without Hex Enduction Hour, by some distance the mightiest of all Fall albums. Buyer beware with the CD issues - there are versions of this that have been badly mastered off vinyl. Perverted by Language is almost as good, especially the RT reissue with the accompanying singles (Kicker Conspiacy/Man whose head expanded). Slightly earlier but also essential are Dragnet (lo-fit gotich with a small g) and Grotesque (the funniest Fall album). I prefoer both of these to Live at the Witch Trials (which documents the original line-up). All these have just come out in remastered form - again there are dodgy earlier CD versions. I wouldn't consider the Brix era essential at all, though This Nation's Saving Grace has its moments. For a better idea of mid-80s Fall get the 458489 A sides and B sides comps. Again, several pople have recommended Frenz Experiement. Nah. Truly, utterly essential are Extricate and Shift-Work. Real returns to form, especially Extricate with Martin Bramah back on guitar. These albums still sound modern. After that the 90s are diminishing circles. A good '90s comp is A past gone mad, which has most of the essential stuff up to.... The Unutterable, still the best of the recent albums. It has a couple of clunkers towards the end but that and the new one are well worth having.. So, in order, here's my top 10.... Hex Enduction Hour Perverted by Language Extricate Grotesque Shift-work Dragnet The Unutterable Live at the Witch Trials Country on the Click This Nation's Saving Grace Plus the comps.. 458489 As & Bs A Past Gone Mad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:21:38 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? >> which three or four Fall cds do any of you consider >> "essential" ? > > live at the witch trials > this nation's saving grace > frenz experiment > light user syndrome > Boy - you've opened up a big can of worms here. I don't think anyone can completely agree on mandatory Fall albums. (^_^) Still, that won't prevent me from giving it a try... This Nations's Saving Grace (Brix-era Fall. I like This Nation's...too, so I'll keep that one - you could subsitute "The Wonderful and Frightening World Of The Fall" in this timeframe, too.) The Unutterable (Modern Fall. This seems to be the best of the recent Fall releases, but "The Real New Fall CD - Formerly County On The Click" isn't too bad either) Code: Selfish (Post-Brix Fall. I find myself playing this one the most of all the Fall CDs I own - if you want an overview of this Fall period, "A Past Gone Mad" compilation can be substituted) Peel Sessions (Not the big box set, but the single disc - Strange Fruit SFRSCD048, 25 January 1999 (CD) - this is a great set and covers pre-Brix, Brix and post-Brix Fall pretty well.) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:23:24 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? > wow ...what a coincidence...no sooner do i ask advice on used > Fall cds , and > i find in today's entertainment paper that the Fall will be > playing live at > our local "punk" bar (dive..hole in the wall) Are you going to go see them? In my opinion, they're always worth seeing - even (or sometimes especially) if they're awful. Chers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:27:47 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? pay no attention to the man in the newly tarnished golden anorak ... light user syndrome is one of the best albums of the '90s by *any*one. code: selfish, infotainment scan, middle class revolt & cerebral caustic are considerably better albums than extricate & shift-work. dragnet & hex enduction hour rank squarely in the bottom tier of fall albums (which, a broken clock being right twice a day, mr bursa *does* correctly note also includes levitate). frenz experience is downright excellent. as for singles comps, surely early years & palace of swords reversed rank above 458489 & past gone mad, worthy though those releases certainly are. granted, since i own the albums only on vinyl, for all i know cd bonus tracks have obviated the need for one or both of those. etc etc etc. dan >Asking a group of Fall fans to choose their essential Fall albums is asking >for trouble. You'll NEVER get a consensus. Two of the albums that others have >recommended would be at the very bottom of my list - I wouldn't advise you to >actually avoid any Fall albums, but the last ones you need are Levitate and >Light User Syndrome. The Fall really were running on empty in 95-97. > >BTW this is an identified syndrome that is mentioned in Mick Mercer's recent >MES biography - just about every Fall fan, no matter how hardcore (and the >hard core is as hard a core as a core can get - there are Fans that have seen >hundreds of Fall gigs) has a period in their lives when they paid no attention to >the Fall, didn't buy the records or go to the gigs, but then returned >refreshed. However the "missing" period remains a closed book to them. That mid-90s >era was the one for me. I didn't see the Fall between summer 93 and summer 98, >and only retrospectively bought Levitate & LUS. Neither of which I like much. > >For my money there are three essential periods: 1979-83; 90-92; 2001-date. > >No record collection should be without Hex Enduction Hour, by some distance >the mightiest of all Fall albums. Buyer beware with the CD issues - there are >versions of this that have been badly mastered off vinyl. > >Perverted by Language is almost as good, especially the RT reissue with the >accompanying singles (Kicker Conspiacy/Man whose head expanded). Slightly >earlier but also essential are Dragnet (lo-fit gotich with a small g) and Grotesque >(the funniest Fall album). I prefoer both of these to Live at the Witch >Trials (which documents the original line-up). All these have just come out in >remastered form - again there are dodgy earlier CD versions. > >I wouldn't consider the Brix era essential at all, though This Nation's >Saving Grace has its moments. For a better idea of mid-80s Fall get the 458489 A >sides and B sides comps. Again, several pople have recommended Frenz >Experiement. Nah. > >Truly, utterly essential are Extricate and Shift-Work. Real returns to form, >especially Extricate with Martin Bramah back on guitar. These albums still >sound modern. > >After that the 90s are diminishing circles. A good '90s comp is A past gone >mad, which has most of the essential stuff up to.... > >The Unutterable, still the best of the recent albums. It has a couple of >clunkers towards the end but that and the new one are well worth having.. > >So, in order, here's my top 10.... > >Hex Enduction Hour >Perverted by Language >Extricate >Grotesque >Shift-work >Dragnet >The Unutterable >Live at the Witch Trials >Country on the Click >This Nation's Saving Grace > >Plus the comps.. > >458489 As & Bs >A Past Gone Mad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:34:01 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fall essentials? Can I mention how much I hate Outlook? I'll try this formatted a different way.... This Nations's Saving Grace - Brix-era Fall. I like This Nation's...too, so I'll keep that one - you could subsitute "The Wonderful and Frightening World Of The Fall" in this timeframe, too. The Unutterable - Modern Fall. This seems to be the best of the recent Fall releases, but "The Real New Fall CD - Formerly County On The Click" isn't too bad either. Code: Selfish - Post-Brix Fall. I find myself playing this one the most of all the Fall CDs I own - if you want an overview of this Fall period, "A Past Gone Mad" compilation can be substituted Peel Sessions - - Not the big box set, but the single disc - Strange Fruit SFRSCD048, 25 January 1999 (CD) - this is a great set and covers pre-Brix, Brix and post-Brix Fall pretty well. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 23:34:55 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] rare Wire cd on ebay??? (Wire Content) Anyone know about this bootleg? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4005452736 wnd3 ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rare Wire cd on ebay??? (Wire Content) are you going to bid? Ari Monochromatic Man wrote:Anyone know about this bootleg? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4005452736 wnd3 ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:50:45 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rare Wire cd on ebay??? (Wire Content) anyone? i will if no one else does, & will happily burn copies if it get the disc ... i have no interest in getting in a bidding war, though (especially with a fellow listmember), & at any rate i've got to be across town by the time the auction ends. dan >are you going to bid? Ari > >Monochromatic Man wrote:Anyone know about this bootleg? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4005452736 > > >wnd3 > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes >Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 21:24:59 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Self portrait with hangover/ Ireland's smoking ban In a message dated 4/5/04 1:40:29 PM, zak_blakk@yahoo.com writes: << what next? Sports stadia? Railway & bus stations? >> already the case here in ny. shea stadium (the mets baseball stadium) even has a block of sections designated 'non-alcohol vending' where you can drink, but you have to go get the bud at the concession stand yourself. i think the no-smoking rule is pretty much in effect inside all public places, even when they're technically open to teh outside like a baseball stadium is. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 03:46:54 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] rare Wire cd on ebay??? (Wire Content) this guy puts this same cd up on ebay every week or so. that price is a bit cheeky if you ask me..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:25:21 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 - --On 05 April 2004 21:36 +0100 Keith Knight wrote: > Looking at my past gig lists I reckon it must have been 17 Nov 95 (80s - > hah!) at LA2. > I've found a timeline of Ubu gigs online - > http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/faqs/timeline.html which tallies with > these dates. > > No. it wasn't the mix - he played guitar that night in a way I thought > was completely inappropriate for Ubu. I haven't turned out for them > since (although I've seen number of other Thomas gigs - Two Pale Boys / > Mirror Man / Shockheaded Peter). And it was definitely Herman too - > thin chap in specs. Perhaps he's toned it down since from your > description (at Thomas' request? - given that he also seems to be taking > it out on the album mixes). > > Another the Keith > I saw them at around this time with Herman (you're description sounds right). The only thing I can add is that most of the material they would've been playing at that time would've been from the Phonogram (Jim Jones/close-to -mainstream-rock) era. The few tracks from the early days also tended to be Non-Alignment Pact and Humour Me (both guitar hero stuff). Tony. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #108 *******************************