From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #103 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, April 2 2004 Volume 07 : Number 103 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff [Andrew Walkingshaw ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly Adam Sky's website has quite a lot to offer... --- John Goddard wrote: > Mark that slice of info is Platinum Anorak! > > "Baby Sitters, Baby Sitters, we all Hate Baaaaaayby > Sitters!!" > ....Classic!.. Love that record!!! > > > > I feel a golden anorak moment coming on..... > > > > Here it comes.... > > > > Adamski was in the Stupid Babies, the kiddie punk > band on Earcom 3. > > > > That's better! > > > > Mark ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:47:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > >>Careless Whisper is undoubtedly the worst. There's a really dismal one in > Orange > >Juice's Rip it up. > > NO!!! > > I love everything about that record. It's perfect!!<< The totally different 12in is far better and lacks the sax! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:03:13 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:46:30PM +0100, sean bowen wrote: > > The "advice" for Professor Walkingshaw was a grossly exaggerated I don't even merit Mr, so I have no idea where this is coming from! :) - - Andrew (unlikely to be a Dr. any time soon) - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 01:04:33 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere Got to plan ahead! Hopefully I've a few more years before Daybreak breaks forth. > Probably my favourite composers as well. They are playing the last movement > of Ravel's Daphnis & Chloe at my funeral although I supposed "I am a Fly" > would be appropriate in view of my future at that point :-( > > /////////////////////// > > Please tell me that this is an April Fools joke j. > > Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:12:43 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) In a message dated 4/1/04 6:04:26 PM Central Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > >I can't countenance Phil Collins in the band either, as he was OK in the > >Gabriel Genesis era. > > i would agree, only if he were ordered to sit behind the drums, on which he > does a good job...but he wouldn't be able to keep himself there, would he? > he'd > be jumping up to that microphone first chance, so he's got to be fronting > this band on vocals, suit-wearing, and dancing. > > -another the paul > what's wrong with wearing a suit? lots of my favorite eccentrics look dashing in them: Steve Stapleton...Graham Lewis...Erik Satie..... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:17:08 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff In a message dated 4/1/04 6:04:27 PM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > This work is contemporary with skiffle. Shouldn't be underestimated - no > Stockhausen et al and the Velvet Underground, Can, Kraftwerk etc would have > been > very different. Extrapolate and burn. > > Mark > as well as Coil ! hey Mark i bet you didn't know this but Stockhausen is actually an honorary member of Coil ....yep, they met him at a festival and discussed music for hours and seemed to have a lot in common...and at the end of the meeting they asked him if he would be interested in becoming a member of Coil and he accepted.. RL np - Volcano the Bear - The Inhazer Decline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:28:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? In a message dated 4/1/04 1:30:51 PM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > Oh come on, Robert. You know what these Dutch lot are like! Even their > childrens stories involve people putting fingers in dykes ; ) > at least that's what Mary says.... where the hell is Bart anyway? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:01:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Go Canada............. http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/33290.html Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:51:32 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T: Go Canada............. As usual, the US pundits get it wrong again. This article makes the judge out to be an idiot. A more thorough explanation of the decision can be found in the post I made earlier (I will excerpt it in a post following). When are they (i.e. the US press) going to realize that Canada has it's own laws and therefore judges will render decisions based on THOSE laws and not AMERICAN laws (hence gay marriage, freedom to bugger dogs, etc etc). The whole reason why the lawsuit didn't stick is that the Canadian Recording Industry Association, in a huge moment of bad judgement (from the industry's perspective) in the 80s cut a deal where copies of music could be had for home use in exchange for a levy on the sale of blank recording media. This deal and now extends to MP3s and their distribution (a notion reinforced by the judge's decision). Hence the reference to photocopiers in libraries where they pay a levy on every (blurry and out of focus) photocopy made (in fact the legislation was modelled on the library's copyright legislation). So, once again. Canada is NOT the United States. This has something to do with the fact that we never declared independence from Britain until 1982 and we kicked your ass in the war of 1812 (well, we were still a colony then). PS-- if you are a US lawyer and you want to practise in Canada here are some differences in laws, off the top of my head. Illegal items found by Police during searches obtained outside of the scope of a search warrant (or even during an illegal search in some cases) are permissible in court. It is legal to record phone conversations without a warrant as long as one of the people participating in the conversation is aware of said taping. You can smoke marijuana without getting your ass thrown in jail. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Ari Britt Sent: April 1, 2004 8:01 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] O.T: Go Canada............. http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/33290.html Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:51:40 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere Oh good. What a relief. I don't think I ever want to have to attend the funeral of a listee... especially not mine. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of j.hobson Sent: April 1, 2004 7:05 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere Got to plan ahead! Hopefully I've a few more years before Daybreak breaks forth. > Probably my favourite composers as well. They are playing the last movement > of Ravel's Daphnis & Chloe at my funeral although I supposed "I am a Fly" > would be appropriate in view of my future at that point :-( > > /////////////////////// > > Please tell me that this is an April Fools joke j. > > Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:56:13 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] OT Music Swappers win in Canada I hope this isn't to big Miles.... Court sides with music swappers By TERRY WEBER and JACK KAPICA Globe and Mail Update The Federal Court of Canada ruled Wednesday that Internet Service Providers can't be forced to turn over identities of suspected music swappers, throwing a roadblock in the path of the recording industry's efforts to crack down on the practice. In a 31-page decision, Judge Konrad von Finckenstein said the Canadian Recording Industry Association hasn't made its case for ordering ISPs to turn over the names of 29 suspected so-called music uploaders, people who offer music for others to download. The industry had wanted the names so that it could launch lawsuits against individuals it claims are high-volume Internet music swappers. As part of his ruling, the judge found that simply downloading a song or having a file available on peer-to-peer software such as Kazaa doesn't constitute copyright infringement. "The mere fact of placing a copy on a shared directory in a computer where that copy can be accessed via a P2P service does not amount to distribution," Judge von Finckenstein said. "Before it constitutes distribution, there must be a positive act by the owner of the shared directory, such as sending out the copies or advertising that they are available for copying." Last month, the Canadian Recording Industry Association asked the court to order five of Canada's largest communications companies to identify 29 uploaders who they allege posted hundreds of songs illegally. The industry charges that song swapping in cyberspace has had a dramatic impact on music sales in this country, costing as much as $425-million in lost revenue over the past five years. But, Judge von Finckenstein denied the request noting that, while third parties have been compelled to disclose identifying documents in the past, the plaintiffs haven't shown a causal link between P2P pseudonyms and IP addresses nor have they made out a broader case of infringement. As well, he said, they haven't established that the ISPs are the only practical source of the identity of the P2P pseudonyms, nor have they shown that the public interest for disclosure outweighs privacy concerns. The recording industry swore to continue its fight against file sharing, and is considering an appeal of the decision. CRIA president Brian Robertson stood fast in his interpretation of the law, insisting that despite the judgment, sharing music files is still against the law. "We remain committed to our plans to enforce the law against unlawful 'file sharing,' which is devastating the entire music community," he said in a statement after the ruling." "We continue to believe it's unlawful under Canadian law to share files on peer-to-peer networks," CRIA general counsel Richard Pfohl said. "I expect we will be appealing on the basis of technology," he continued. "We don't believe that when someone puts thousands of files into a shared folder to be traded on the Internet, it's an act of private copying." "We presented more initial evidence than has ever been put forward in a request for disclosure of user identities from ISPs  which Canadian courts have granted on numerous occasions," he said. Judge von Finckenstein is regarded as a senior judge with an extensive understanding of technology and is an expert in international commerce. Most recently he was the federal competition commissioner. In the United States, legal action has been taken by the music industry against song swappers. But in decision in December, a U.S. Appeals Court ruled that service provider Verizon didn't have to turn over the names of individuals, finding that the service provider was only responsible for content kept on its own server. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:56:17 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] OT another interesting tidbit... ...that supports may suspicsion about P2P File-sharing doesn't kill CD sales, study finds By JOHN BORLAND Staff Writer, CNET News.com A study of file-sharing's effects on music sales says on-line music trading appears to have had little part in the recent slide in CD sales. For the study, released Monday, researchers at Harvard University and the University of North Carolina tracked music downloads over 17 weeks in 2002, matching data on file transfers with actual market performance of the songs and albums being downloaded. Even high levels of file-swapping seemed to translate into an effect on album sales that was "statistically indistinguishable from zero," they wrote. "We find that file sharing has only had a limited effect on record sales," the study's authors wrote. "While downloads occur on a vast scale, most users are likely individuals who would not have bought the album even in the absence of file sharing." The study, the most detailed economic modeling survey to use data obtained directly from file-sharing networks, is sure to rekindle debates over the effects of widely used software such as Kazaa or Morpheus on an ailing record business. Big record labels have seen their sales slide precipitously in the past several years, and have blamed the falling revenue in large part on rampant free music downloads on-line. Others have pointed to additional factors, such as lower household spending during the recession, and increased competition from other entertainment forms such as DVDs and video games, each of which have grown over the same time period. Executives at file-sharing companies welcomed the survey, saying it should help persuade reluctant record company executives to use peer-to-peer networks as distribution channels for music "We welcome sound research into the developing peer-to-peer industry, and this study appears to have covered some interesting ground," said Nikki Hemming, chief executive officer of Kazaa parent Sharman Networks. "Consider the possibilities if the record industry actually cooperated with companies like us instead of fighting." The study, conducted by Harvard Business School associate professor Felix Oberholzer and University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, associate professor Koleman Strumpf, used logs from two OpenNap servers in late 2002 to observe about 1.75-million downloads over their 17-week sample period. That sample revealed interesting behavioural and economic data. Researchers found that the average user logged in only twice during that period, downloading about 17 songs. Some people vastly overshot that average, however  one user apparently logged in 71 times, downloading more than 5,000 songs. Of respondents aged 18 to 24 who download, the study found, 33 per cent said they bought less music than in the past year while 21 per cent bought more. Of those aged 25 to 34, one quarter (25 per cent) bought less and 17 per cent bought more music. The two professors narrowed their sample base by choosing a random sample of 500 albums from the sales charts of various music genres, and then compared the sales of these albums to the number of associated downloads. Even in the most pessimistic version of their model, they found that it would take about 5,000 downloads to displace sales of just one physical CD, the authors wrote. Despite the huge scale of downloading worldwide, that would be only a tiny contribution to the overall slide in album sales over the past several years, they said. Moreover, their data seemed to show that downloads could even have a slight positive effect on the sales of the top albums, the researchers said. "Consumption of music increases dramatically with the introduction of file sharing, but not everybody who likes to listen to music was a music customer before, so it's very important to separate the two," Mr. Oberholzer-Gee said. The study is unlikely to be the last word on the issue. Previous studies have been released showing that file sharing had both positive and negative effects on music sales. The Recording Industry Association of America was quick to dismiss the results as inconsistent with earlier findings. "Countless well-respected groups and analysts, including Edison Research, Forrester, and the University of Texas, among others, have all determined that illegal file sharing has adversely impacted the sales of CDs," RIAA spokeswoman Amy Weiss said in a statement. "Our own surveys show that those who are downloading more are buying less." The RIAA argues that CD sales fell from a high of more than $13.2-billion in 2000 to $11.2-billion in 2003, a period that matches the growth of various on-line music piracy services. The study comes on the heels of another U.S. study, by Ipsos-Insight, which reports that the number of Americans who pay to download music nearly tripled in 2003, to about 10 million. The study called the rise in paying customers "a veritable explosion of fee-based" digital music services. TEMPO, Ipsos-Insight's quarterly tracker of U.S. digital music behaviour, revealed that in December, 2003, as many as 22 per cent of U.S. downloaders aged 12 and older had paid a fee to download digital music off of the Internet. "In the past year, high-profile litigation by the RIAA toward high-volume individual file-sharers coupled with the launch of several new consumer-friendly fee-based on-line music services has prompted many downloaders to experiment with paid downloading for the first time," Ipsos-Insight study author said Matt Kleinschmit said. "This is the clearest sign yet that American music enthusiasts are becoming increasingly dependent on digitally formatted and distributed music, and as a result, are sampling many of the recently launched fee-based on-line music services to find a legal means of on-line music acquisition." With files from Jack Kapica. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:00:31 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T: Go Canada............. In a message dated 4/1/04 7:56:36 PM Central Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > PS-- if you are a US lawyer and you want to practise in Canada here are > some > differences in laws, off the top of my head. > > You can smoke marijuana without getting your ass thrown in jail.>>>>> somewhere in Chapel Hill North Carolina a man is packing his luggage... send me a poscard will you Auntie Ari? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:14:39 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) regarding phil collins, i wrote: >he's got to be fronting >> this band on vocals, suit-wearing, and dancing. >> >> -another the paul >> robert replied: >what's wrong with wearing a suit? >lots of my favorite eccentrics look dashing in them: Steve Stapleton...Graham > >Lewis...Erik Satie..... nothing at all wrong. just phil collins in a suit, like i remember in some horrible video(s) he was in in his genesis/solo heyday. i think he looked especially dumb flying on the concorde just so he could play the same nausiating song twice in the same day...for a benefit concert no less!!! dude, did the thought of donating the airfare/fuel costs, etc... ever cross your puny brain? does anyone need to see your stupid face singing the same stupid song twice on two continents on the same day? was that live aid or international rich wanker gimmick day? he has to front the worst band of all time! oh, i just remembered this post was about suits. andy gill knows how to wear a suit behind a guitar. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:17:28 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT another interesting tidbit... In a message dated 4/1/04 8:14:39 PM Central Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > ...that supports may suspicsion about P2P > > File-sharing doesn't kill CD sales, study finds > > no, of course it doesn't...what kills cd sales is that nobody can/wants to pay fucking $16 for cds anymore...if these stupid greedy assholes in the music industry would realize that if they would charge between $8-$10 for new cds and $3 for singles everyone would be much happier.... stupid bastards... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:35:04 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T: Go Canada............. For the right amount of... er... "rent", you can stay with me Ari. ///////////////////////////////////////// > > You can smoke marijuana without getting your ass thrown in jail.>>>>> somewhere in Chapel Hill North Carolina a man is packing his luggage... send me a poscard will you Auntie Ari? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:49:09 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff Sean wrote: > >>One of my favourite pieces of television in recent years was that series > with Simon Rattle presenting a different composer each week. One ep featured > a Stockhausen orchestral work ("Stimmung"). The music did nothing for me, but > Rattle's passion and enthusiasm was so genuine, it made for a fascinating > insight. It was a revelation to know that some people actually enjoy that > stuff, as opposed to just pretending to like it because they think it's > 'important'.<< - --------------------------- Can't have been 'Stimmung', Sean, as that piece is purely choral - 10 people or so sat around in a circle for an hour intoning the names of Eastern deities. Much, much better than that description makes it sound! No conductor required though - one of the singers leads (or they all do). - ---------------------------------------- Mark wrote: In about 1985 I went to see Stockhausen present a concert of his early works at the Barbican. A very captivating evening, with pieces like Kontakte performed (as in press play on the reel-to-reel), Mikrophonie etc. Short wave radios played live. And Scanner thinks he's doing something new ;-) - --------------------------- I was there too, Mark - went to a few of the concerts during that week of Stockhausen. Fine stuff. I also saw his opera, Donnerstag Aus Licht, at the Royal Opera House around the same time - his son on trumpet climbing up a large globe of the world and radio-controlled toy tanks ascending ramps stick in the memory. Although I went to the opera half a dozen times in quick succession back then - Glass' 'Satyagraha' and 'Planet 8', Birtwistle, Nyman, Stockhausen, Ligeti - I never saw anything written prior to 1980 and still haven't. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:53:08 +0100 From: Ian Calder Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Crazy about love >> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:28:06 +0100 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Crazy about love I Can vouch for two out of Three/Four of those "Crazy About Love " Performances @ The Jeanetta Cochrane Theatre The performance went thus.... 1 The Audience (video of the Crowd coming in to the theatre)transmitted to the stage Area 2 Tableu - Bruce Gilbert - "Change cannnot exist without Non - change Non Change does not exist, Therefore change does not exist. What Is Repetition? - Bruce pushing a trolley around the stage drinking glasses of water 3.A Panamanian Craze - Graham Lewis... cannot remember this?? 4.An Unlikely Occurence - Colin Newman (20 Guitarists plugged in to several amps each playing something different) 5.The Decorator - Robert Gotobed 6.Wire - the 10th nov set is out there 7.Audience Leaving A Very spare minimalist review of the November nights in Nov 79! Can anyone here produce the reviews from the press i don't seem to be able to get my hands on them at present! << I have at least one review, NME I think (has a picture of Robert Gotobed throwing some paint around), will try and locate it at the weekend. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:59:38 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) Hmm, must have been the early 90s then. I was surprised too at his desire to be a guitar hero - and Thomas' willingness to put up with it as he doesn't give the impression of someone who lets others dominate. It was certainly after all the others had left which did piss me off as I really liked Tony Maimone as a live performer (Ravenstine too, - those great sounds from a primitive box - although he left earlier). Which almost makes me want to compile the dream band line-up to counter the horror line-up.. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 02 April 2004 00:04 To: steeleknight@lineone.net Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) >>On guitar, controversially, Tom Herman of Pere Ubu, who when he rejoined the band in the 80s fret-wanked all over the place live, completely overpowering the music.<< Tom Herman was the only member of the 'classic' line-up to not be in any of the '80s versions of the Ubu that I saw (81 and 87 models). His return seemed to prompt the departure of Krauss, Maimone & Ravenstine. Glad I missed him, though I have to say I'm surprised. His playing on Modern Dance is extraordinary. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:03:47 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff It's like The Passion of the Christ - we can take it and we know we're right - and ultimately it's for everybody's good! You wait until the Hammill Rapture - there will be one person from each town floating up to Hammill heaven. Repent now while there's still time! Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Likewise my mention of Hammill though to be fair, the lesser spotted Hammill fan is a hardy creature who - after years of practice - can cope with any amount of criticism of their idol. One of my best mates loves him, and no amount of piss-taking will get him to bite. I think Hammill fans are like religous zealots who know something we don't ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:41:55 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 > Debussy/Satie/Ravel are my far and away my favorites in the world of > classical...mostly because of their serenity and ambience...and in the > case of Satie sheer oddball tendencies....he's an interesting figure to > read about > > RL Yeah, Satie's a fascinating figure. Very much a precursor of the Wire attitude in his somewhat studied perversity. There's a compilation of various accounts of and references to him "Satie Remembered" (I think) published by Faber which was cheaply available in remaindered shops in London not so long ago which, if you could get past the slightly over-present editor, was a good read. I particularly liked how he joined a citizen's militia to protect Paris from the threat of German invasion until they were forced to disband by the police after complaints from locals about the noise. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:54:07 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 On guitar, controversially, Tom Herman of Pere Ubu, who when he rejoined > the band in the 80s fret-wanked all over the place live, completely > overpowering the music. > > Another the Keith Sorry Keith but Tom Herman wasn't in Ubu in the 80's (after Mayo Thompson left) it was Jim Jones. He's a much more conventional rock guitarist (although I only know him from Ubu) but then that's how the band were at that point. Herman did return to Ubu for the last two albums (which to fans of the older versions of the band meant a return to their natural territory )and is the live guitarist as Jones does not tour due to serious illness. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:14:40 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 > Tom Herman was the only member of the 'classic' line-up to not be in any > of the '80s versions of the Ubu that I saw (81 and 87 models). His > return seemed to prompt the departure of Krauss, Maimone & Ravenstine. > Glad I missed him, though I have to say I'm surprised. His playing on > Modern Dance is extraordinary. > > > Mark More likely the departure of Krauss, Maimone and Ravenstine (and the ailing Jones) caused Thomas to invite Herman back into what has more or less turned into his backing band. You missed a treat. Tony. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #103 *******************************