From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #102 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 1 2004 Volume 07 : Number 102 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? ["dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > i've run the data thru the > > computer and as far as i can work out , current "worlds worst band" > line-up is > > as follows ; > > > > vocals ; george michael > > guitar ; mike rutherford > > bass ; pino palladino > > drums ; phil collins * > > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > > onstage dancing ; chainy > > > Would 'Chainy' be the infamous 'Ged' who 'threw off his mental chains' with > Howard Jones? > > I would replace George Michael with that lass from No Doubt, or the singer > from There Might Be Giants, or the guy from the Spin Doctors. Or Lenny > Kravitz. Or anyone who imitates that appalling Whitney/Boyz2Men > wobbly-bottom-lip warbly show-off singing (i.e. 90% of vocalists post 1988) i.e. Maria Carey? Surely the most extreme example. Her version of Without You is bad taste personified. Indeed, I have a theory that the reason that half of Badfinger killed themselves was they'd been tipped off what lay ahead. I could never put George M in there, because you get the odd great pop moment (Fast Love and more recently Shoot the Dog, etc) among all the dross. And I couldn't put Gwen Stefani in it even if she is married to a member of Bush. I'm convinced that duet with Eve is gonna become a bit of a standard! So who gets the A nomination? Well there's the obvious ones like Bruce Dickinson and the 'Darkness Calf'. Then there's the one's that would cause upset on these pages (Martin Bramagh, Peter Hammill), though since when has a little controversy stopped me ; ) But on reflection, I'd probably go for that guy out of the Flaming Lips. Now he seems a really swell guy and all that - I just love his monkey suit! - but whoever told that guy he could sing??? Keith (level 2 Hell) PS Phil Collins should be in there for his dancing. I saw the Easy Lover video on MTV recently for the first time in donkeys, and my girlfriend was moved to moved to utter the words, "God he's embarrassing". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:39:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? see you there then Paul,and have a guinness ready for me,I'm level 2 also.......Ari Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 3/31/04 8:47:21 AM, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: >http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv yeah baby, for a good time join cleo, helen, and me on level 2! it's a breeze once you get there ;o) another the paul Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:13:43 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? so dan , knowing that you can't ever have met them.......what did mr bursa and mr astbury look like in your dream and how did you know it was them? just curious ;-) p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:05:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > >(Lead "singer" of Embrace. How he manages to always be a quarter-tone flat > >I will never know.) > > Talking of which, The Blue Orchids have got a new album out ; ) But Martin's flat in a good way. He knows he's flat, and he doesn't care. New album's a funny one - very downbeat and almost folky. Has an annoying flute-style effect on many of the tracks, unfortunately. May take a few listens to reveal its true colours. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:17:39 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Crazy about love > there's another version? Yes. The Colin Newman 2001 remix, based on a live performance from the Jeanetta Cochrane Hall in 1979. It was improvised into life as a Peel session and I believe it was performed on all three nights of the Wire residency there, but never since. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:27:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly > >>Is this the Adam Sky "I am the fly" on the Nag Nag Nag CD, or another one > in > addition to that?<< It's Adamski, as in Killer featuring Seal... I feel a golden anorak moment coming on..... Here it comes.... Adamski was in the Stupid Babies, the kiddie punk band on Earcom 3. That's better! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:57:36 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > so dan , knowing that you can't ever have met them.......what did mr bursa and mr astbury look like in your dream and how did you know it was them? > > just curious ;-) p Careful, Dan ; ) (Actually Careful Dan sounds like a band name - what was that one mentioned here a couple of yrs back - Sorry Nigel or something) Keith np Magazine - real life ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:58:43 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > > Talking of which, The Blue Orchids have got a new album out ; ) > > But Martin's flat in a good way. He knows he's flat, and he doesn't care. > > New album's a funny one - very downbeat and almost folky. Has an annoying > flute-style effect on many of the tracks, unfortunately. Maybe Martin could join Ian Anderson in the wind section ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:03:15 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > My friends, come &join me in the "sixth level of Hell, the city of Dis"(?) What, Diss in Norfolk? Truly a fate worse than hell, but probably quite comforting if you're Dutch ;-) Mark (only residing in the third level of Hell) //////////////////////////////// Only the third level, huh? I think it was a the masturbating that did me in. But then again, I am of Dutch extraction. ;-) back at ya' Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:49:20 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] ot - levels I'm on level 7. Is that the best so far? wnd3 --- Eric Klaver wrote: > Eric Klaver wrote: > > I don't know. Take this test to find out.... > > http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv > > > > Ah, so this is hell? > > > > Explains a lot. > > Derek White: > My friends, come & join me in the "sixth level of > Hell, the city of Dis"(?) ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:55:03 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] ot - levels beats me, you wicked person... i'm on 6 with Dan A > -----Original Message----- > From: Monochromatic Man [mailto:xj23@yahoo.com] > Sent: 01 April 2004 15:49 > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: [idealcopy] ot - levels > > > I'm on level 7. > Is that the best so far? > > wnd3 > > --- Eric Klaver wrote: > > Eric Klaver wrote: > > > > I don't know. Take this test to find out.... > > > > http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv > > > > > > > Ah, so this is hell? > > > > > > Explains a lot. > > > > Derek White: > > My friends, come & join me in the "sixth level of > > Hell, the city of Dis"(?) > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! > Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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I think it was a the masturbating that did me in. > But then again, I am of Dutch extraction. ;-) back at ya' > > Eric in Toronto > ahh...thanks Eric...that casts a light of illumination upon our dear friend Bart...i knew they had a penchant for taking lots of drugs but i didn't know about that particular pre-occupation.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:39:11 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? In a message dated 4/1/04 4:40:55 AM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > see you there then Paul,and have a guinness ready for me,I'm level 2 also..... > ..Ari i'll bring the booze...i'm right there on level 2 as well... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:40:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: chrissie hynde Came across this on the net... From the RockingVicar newsletter, this made me smirk. More for the thought of Mark Ellen being deeply uncomfortable. Parishioner Mark Ellen: "There's no great punchline here and it's not even very funny - especially for vegetarians - but somehow this is just sort of classic. I'm out the other night at a literary dinner in honour of the scriptwriter Paul Schrader (Taxi Driver etc). He's three seats away to my right along with Hanif Kureishi, Andrew Davies and Robert Wade (who co-wrote the last two Bond movies), on my left an empty seat, and beyond that some nice people from Random House and Esquire. The menus arrive and I go for the pate de fois gras followed by the rare rack of lamb. I know, I know, I know: on a scale of Crimes Against The Animal Kingdom there's eating veal, then there's hitting little rabbits on the head with a shoe and pan-frying them in cream and brandy in front of your fellow diners while whistling a Ted Nugent song, and then above this - way, way above - is the consumption of pate de fois gras. So I'm sitting there lobbing back the bubbly wondering which fashionably la te arriver is going to fill the empty chair when the door swings open and in walks Chrissie Hynde. She bowls over to the place beside me, her coal-black eyes barely visible beneath her fringe, at the precise moment our waiter delivers each of us a delicate china cup of French onion soup on a little white saucer. Hynde sniffs it suspiciously. "This got meat stock in it?" Like I'm supposed to know. We flag down the Maitre D who steps smartly to the kitchens to investigate, shuffling back seconds later with some rather bad news: "zer's a leetle leeeetle beed of cheecken stock in ze zoup". Hynde's reaction is not good - he might as well have told her it was radioactive - and it's at this point, the parish, that a thought occurs to me: I'm fucked. The world's most militant animal rights activist - a woman, let's not forget, who's been to JAIL for her hands-on demonstrations against McDonald's and the fur trade - and I have ordered a large pile of possibly still pulsating pate de fois bleeding gras. If its arrival, now seconds away, was preceded by a small troupe of weeping geese with a banner informing us the hors d'oeuvre was one of their blood relatives, I honestly don't think the situation could be any worse. But suddenly I have a brilliant idea! My pal Robert Wade, sitting opposite! We've been chuckling away about old Bond movies and he seems a nice enough chap, he's BOUND to help me out here! So while Hynde is distracted I warn him of the imminent crisis and he smiles and gives me a reassuring wink that says 'don't worry, brother, leave this one to me!' Back comes our waiter laden with plates but he can't remember who's ordered what. "The pate de fois gras?" yells Wade theatrically, the entire restaurant is looking. "I THINK you'll find it was ordered by our friend over here!" and he points at me in a look-at-this-clown, what-a-bastard, WE'RE-all-having-the-mushroom-ravioli sort of way. And I've still got the lamb to come. Hynde stiffens, clear ly reading this as some sort of hilarious set-piece cooked up by the two of us to take the piss out of The Planet's Most High-Profile Vegetarian Campaigner, turns to her left, starts talking breezily to the girl from Esquire and doesn't address another syllable to either of us all evening." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:29:31 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere speaking of Debussey (well, Jan J Noorda did so), has anyone else here heard Biosphere's _Shenzhou_ album? it is constructed of samples from old classical recordings, and from what i heard the bulk of those samples came from Debussey. i found it very interesing, but then again i like most of Biosphere's work. i have a friend who is really into classical music, and i let him borrow the disc. he liked it so much he went out and bought his own copy.... i don't know what that says, but i woudl be curious to hear someone who really knows Debussey confirm or deny the rumor. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:48:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere In a message dated 4/1/04 10:37:10 AM Central Standard Time, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > speaking of Debussey (well, Jan J Noorda did so), has anyone else here heard > Biosphere's _Shenzhou_ album? it is constructed of samples from old > classical recordings, and from what i heard the bulk of those samples came > from Debussey. i found it very interesing, but then again i like most of > Biosphere's work. i have a friend who is really into classical music, and i > let him borrow the disc. he liked it so much he went out and bought his own > copy.... i don't know what that says, but i woudl be curious to hear someone > who really knows Debussey confirm or deny the rumor. > > PJK > actually, i think the music was INSPIRED by Geir Jenssen's love of Debussy...not sampled......i cannot reccommend Biosphere's music highly enough....it's emotion lies directly in ability to evoke his surroundings (Norway) through music.... Debussy/Satie/Ravel are my far and away my favorites in the world of classical...mostly because of their serenity and ambience...and in the case of Satie sheer oddball tendencies....he's an interesting figure to read about RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:02:08 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > Bart...i knew they had a penchant for taking lots of drugs but i didn't know > about that particular pre-occupation.... Oh come on, Robert. You know what these Dutch lot are like! Even their childrens stories involve people putting fingers in dykes ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:30:09 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? since i can't remember what they looked like, i'll have to answer "nondescript." my dream self knew it was them, though. probably we sat around before the show & talked about t-rex & earcom 3 bands. as opposed to the dream i woke up from this morning, in which pete shelley was definitely pete shelley (albeit bald ... not that far from reality, i guess) & howard devoto was definitely howard devoto. i'd driven down to dallas from little rock (as i did in 12/93 to see the buzzcocks) to see shelleydevoto, & pete was on guitar, devoto -- oddly enough -- on those tall african drums (surely they have a name, but i don't know it) that are played like bongos. there was a bass player, too -- sting, alas. for some reason, the band was signing autographs & such on stage *before* their set ... pete signed "capt sensible" on a slip of paper for me as a jape. dan >so dan , knowing that you can't ever have met them.......what did mr bursa and mr astbury look like in your dream and how did you know it was them? > >just curious ;-) p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:41:39 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT - new time waster... http://www.cepstral.com/cgi-bin/demos/general ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:47:53 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere > Debussy/Satie/Ravel are my far and away my favorites in the world of > classical...mostly because of their serenity and ambience...and in the case of Satie > sheer oddball tendencies....he's an interesting figure to read about > Probably my favourite composers as well. They are playing the last movement of Ravel's Daphnis & Chloe at my funeral although I supposed "I am a Fly" would be appropriate in view of my future at that point :-( I've read numerous stories about Satie (the real father of minamalist music?) some conflicting with others. The one I like the best is about his funeral in the low rent are of Paris were he lived. Some of his musical contempories came as well and were amazed to find large crowds especially kids paying their last respects. He was a popular local eccentric and none of them were aware of his other life as a composer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:10:28 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) Oi! I am reading this you know. You really must get over this different name spelling thing Alistair. An interview this week with the great man in The Guardian can be found here http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1180946,00.html Can I nominate the Baker St saxophonist for this band. I normally really like sax but whoever this is really puts my back up - and has done for decades. On guitar, controversially, Tom Herman of Pere Ubu, who when he rejoined the band in the 80s fret-wanked all over the place live, completely overpowering the music. I can't countenance Phil Collins in the band either, as he was OK in the Gabriel Genesis era. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Alistair Tear Sent: 01 April 2004 09:59 To: 'PaulRabjohn@aol.com' Cc: Wire (E-mail) Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) And Alasdair Roberts as support... A as far as i can work out , current "worlds worst > band" line-up is > as follows ; > > vocals ; george michael > guitar ; mike rutherford > bass ; pino palladino > drums ; phil collins * > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > onstage dancing ; chainy > > * obviously phil gets to come up front for an execrable solo > spot at some > point > > ** death is no problem , crapness is permanent > > p > ************************************************************************ * The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:46:30 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff >> IMHO, stay well clear of all the 20th century giants; Schoenberg, Varese, Ives, Berg, Messian, Webern, Boulez, Stockhausen etc, as they're just a horrible noise.<< >Nice to see you avoiding the sweeping generalisation, Sean ;-) Mark < Ha ! You've sussed me out again, Mark. I only make sweeping generalisations when I don't know what I'm talking about. When it's something I do know (e.g. Wire) I go on for para after para of tedious attention to detail. The "advice" for Professor Walkingshaw was a grossly exaggerated self-parody, playing the part of an ignorant philistine stroke Stewart Home militant anti-culture terrorist. I was laughing when I sent it, gleefully anticipating the response from enraged Dome fans defending the avant-garde heros as an influence. One of my favourite pieces of television in recent years was that series with Simon Rattle presenting a different composer each week. One ep featured a Stockhausen orchestral work ("Stimmung"). The music did nothing for me, but Rattle's passion and enthusiasm was so genuine, it made for a fascinating insight. It was a revelation to know that some people actually enjoy that stuff, as opposed to just pretending to like it because they think it's 'important'. Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:52:07 +0100 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: RE: FW: [idealcopy] ot - levels Ali wrote... >beats me, you wicked person... >i'm on 6 with Dan make some room on that scarlet couch lads...my oh my, level 6 is getting crowded... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:06:58 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere j.hobson: Probably my favourite composers as well. They are playing the last movement of Ravel's Daphnis & Chloe at my funeral although I supposed "I am a Fly" would be appropriate in view of my future at that point :-( /////////////////////// Please tell me that this is an April Fools joke j. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:17:04 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: RE:[idealcopy] ot - levels So, will everyone be looking down on me? I knew I should have stayed away from that crack cocaine, sterno and the donkey... - --- ian s jackson wrote: > Ali wrote... > >beats me, you wicked person... > >i'm on 6 with Dan > > make some room on that scarlet couch lads...my oh > my, level 6 is getting > crowded... > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to > suit you. > http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:23:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] OT - True Orbital fan(atic)? I guess someone is a little impatient for the new Orbital cd. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4005056257&category=1577&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBBI%3AIT&rd=1 My eight pounds just wasn't good enough. Strange there's no mention on the Orbtal site. ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:33:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > since i can't remember what they looked like, i'll have to answer > "nondescript." I prefer to think of myself as Descript. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 03:21:41 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff -- Debussey/Biosphere speaking of Debussey (well, Jan J Noorda did so), has anyone else here heard Biosphere's _Shenzhou_ album? it is constructed of samples from old classical recordings, and from what i heard the bulk of those samples came from Debussey. i found it very interesing, but then again i like most of Biosphere's work. i have a friend who is really into classical music, and i let him borrow the disc. he liked it so much he went out and bought his own copy.... i don't know what that says, but i woudl be curious to hear someone who really knows Debussey confirm or deny the rumor. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:00:50 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Giraffe name honours The Darkness I've called The Darkness a few things in my time, but 'new born calves' = wasn't one of them! "Justin Hawkins said: "It's a great honour to have a baby giraffe named = after me and it's a wonderful that the Wildlife Park has stuck its neck = out."=20 He added: "In a way, we The Darkness, are all newborn calves taking our = first stumbling steps into the celebrity world and I am delighted that = the people and animals of East Anglia are all right behind us." Full story... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/3585495.stm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS England Suffolk Giraffe name honours The Darkness.url] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:36:59 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: RE:[idealcopy] ot - levels oh, the shame ... i only made it to level 5 -- i *knew* i should've visited a strip club at least once &/or been willing to countenance assassination for personal gain (as opposed to sheerky for ideological reasons, which i have no real problem with, but that wasn't as option). still, somehow it's appropriate, after repeated playings of radio berlin's first couple of albums & acr's graveyard & the ballroom, to find myself categorized among those "gurgling in the black mud, slothful and sullen, withdrawn from the world. Their lamentations bubble to the surface as they try to repeat a doleful hymn, though with unbroken words they cannot say it." i do believe i'll go play crippled child again just to stay in the spirit ... dan >So, will everyone be looking down on me? > >I knew I should have stayed away from that crack >cocaine, sterno and the donkey... > > >--- ian s jackson wrote: > >Ali wrote... >> >beats me, you wicked person... >> >i'm on 6 with Dan >> >> make some room on that scarlet couch lads...my oh >> my, level 6 is getting >> crowded... >> >> ian.s.j. >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to >> suit you. >> http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:38:51 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? >> since i can't remember what they looked like, i'll have to answer >> "nondescript." > >I prefer to think of myself as Descript. > >Mark > that's a pretty sensical response. dan, somewhat chalantly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:00:52 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff > >>Ha ! You've sussed me out again, Mark.<< Oh aye. You're making the G Rowland Agent Provocateur shirt your own... > >> I only make sweeping generalisations when I don't know what I'm talking > about. When it's something I do know (e.g. Wire) I go on for para after para > of tedious attention to detail.<< It is the only way. I pride myself on excessive knowledge about things I dislike ;-) > >>The "advice" for Professor Walkingshaw was a grossly exaggerated > self-parody, playing the part of an ignorant philistine stroke Stewart Home militant > anti-culture terrorist. I was laughing when I sent it, gleefully anticipating > the response from enraged Dome fans defending the avant-garde heros as an > influence.<< It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Bit like slagging off King Crimson (though my bid to have Belew included in teh worst band ever has fallen on deaf ears. Should have gone for Fripp.). > >>One of my favourite pieces of television in recent years was that series > with Simon Rattle presenting a different composer each week. One ep featured > a Stockhausen orchestral work ("Stimmung"). The music did nothing for me, but > Rattle's passion and enthusiasm was so genuine, it made for a fascinating > insight. It was a revelation to know that some people actually enjoy that > stuff, as opposed to just pretending to like it because they think it's > 'important'.<< In about 1985 I went to see Stockhausen present a concert of his early works at the Barbican. A very captivating evening, with pieces like Kontakte performed (as in press play on the reel-to-reel), Mikrophonie etc. Short wave radios played live. And Scanner thinks he's doing something new ;-) This work is contemporary with skiffle. Shouldn't be underestimated - no Stockhausen et al and the Velvet Underground, Can, Kraftwerk etc would have been very different. Extrapolate and burn. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:01:57 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? In a message dated 4/1/04 8:14:08 AM, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > > >(Actually Careful Dan sounds like a band name - what was that one mentioned > >here a couple of yrs back - Sorry Nigel or something) sorry kevin. not sure what became of them since mp3.com went down. meanwhile, i've been re/discovering loads of great stuff on www.epitonic.com. anyone else visit that site? search for any band and you get a brief history, including band members and any of their side projects or bands prior to or after the one you searched, names of related artists (many with links), and similar artists (also most with links), and of course mp3s, many of which are full songs. very nice resource. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:04:17 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > >>On guitar, controversially, Tom Herman of Pere Ubu, who when he rejoined > the band in the 80s fret-wanked all over the place live, completely > overpowering the music.<< Tom Herman was the only member of the 'classic' line-up to not be in any of the '80s versions of the Ubu that I saw (81 and 87 models). His return seemed to prompt the departure of Krauss, Maimone & Ravenstine. Glad I missed him, though I have to say I'm surprised. His playing on Modern Dance is extraordinary. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:07:24 +0100 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly Mark that slice of info is Platinum Anorak! "Baby Sitters, Baby Sitters, we all Hate Baaaaaayby Sitters!!" ....Classic!.. Love that record!!! > > I feel a golden anorak moment coming on..... > > Here it comes.... > > Adamski was in the Stupid Babies, the kiddie punk band on Earcom 3. > > That's better! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:13:20 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) In a message dated 4/1/04 2:52:32 PM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > >I can't countenance Phil Collins in the band either, as he was OK in the >Gabriel Genesis era. i would agree, only if he were ordered to sit behind the drums, on which he does a good job...but he wouldn't be able to keep himself there, would he? he'd be jumping up to that microphone first chance, so he's got to be fronting this band on vocals, suit-wearing, and dancing. - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:15:18 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > >>Can I nominate the Baker St saxophonist for this band. I normally > really like sax but whoever this is really puts my back up - and has > done for decades.<< Raf Ravenscroft. Not, as popular hoax once had it, rubbish UK daytime quiz host Bob Holness. The general concept of the "sax break" is something I've always hated. Careless Whisper is undoubtedly the worst. There's a really dismal one in Orange Juice's Rip it up. Sax incorporated into a band's sound is fine (Andy Mackay, for example, or Lora Logic in X-Ray Spex). As are bands dominated by mad sax playing (saxwank?) eg Blurt, or Morphine. And horn sections are fine too (eg Know your product by the Saints, possibly the finest horn husbandry in the annals of rock). As the apogee of saxophonic crapness you's have to include Kenny G in the band. And while we're at it, let's get Jools Holland in to play boogie-woogie honky-tonky plinky-plonky piano all over whatever shite Dolores & the boys have come up with. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:28:06 +0100 From: "John Goddard" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Crazy about love I Can vouch for two out of Three/Four of those "Crazy About Love " Performances @ The Jeanetta Cochrane Theatre The performance went thus.... 1 The Audience (video of the Crowd coming in to the theatre)transmitted to the stage Area 2 Tableu - Bruce Gilbert - "Change cannnot exist without Non - change Non Change does not exist, Therefore change does not exist. What Is Repetition? - Bruce pushing a trolley around the stage drinking glasses of water 3.A Panamanian Craze - Graham Lewis... cannot remember this?? 4.An Unlikely Occurence - Colin Newman (20 Guitarists plugged in to several amps each playing something different) 5.The Decorator - Robert Gotobed 6.Wire - the 10th nov set is out there 7.Audience Leaving A Very spare minimalist review of the November nights in Nov 79! Can anyone here produce the reviews from the press i don't seem to be able to get my hands on them at present! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Crazy about love > > there's another version? > > Yes. The Colin Newman 2001 remix, based on a live performance from the > Jeanetta Cochrane Hall in 1979. It was improvised into life as a Peel session and I > believe it was performed on all three nights of the Wire residency there, but > never since. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:31:43 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Crazy about love > 3.A Panamanian Craze - Graham Lewis... cannot remember this?? It's on Turns & Strokes Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:32:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff > > I was laughing when I sent it, gleefully anticipating > > the response from enraged Dome fans defending the avant-garde heros as an > > influence.<< > > It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Bit like slagging off King Crimson > (though my bid to have Belew included in teh worst band ever has fallen on deaf > ears. Should have gone for Fripp.). Likewise my mention of Hammill though to be fair, the lesser spotted Hammill fan is a hardy creature who - after years of practice - can cope with any amount of criticism of their idol. One of my best mates loves him, and no amount of piss-taking will get him to bite. I think Hammill fans are like religous zealots who know something we don't ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:39:14 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > The general concept of the "sax break" is something I've always hated. I didn't mind it till you got them everywhere in the 80's. > Careless Whisper is undoubtedly the worst. There's a really dismal one in Orange > Juice's Rip it up. NO!!! I love everything about that record. It's perfect!! > And while we're at it, let's get Jools Holland in to play boogie-woogie > honky-tonky plinky-plonky piano all over whatever shite Dolores & the boys have > come up with. I can picture it. Our ptetitioning pays off and we get the boys onto Later. They concede and Jules gets them to play their biggest hit. And there smack in the middle of Outdoor Miner is the piano solo c/o of Jules. Except this time... NO! IT'S TOO HORRIBLE!!! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #102 *******************************