From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #101 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, April 1 2004 Volume 07 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #100 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] Re: Classic Stuff [Ian Grant ] AW: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? ["Woerner Frank-Juergen"] [idealcopy] Xenakis [Fergus Kelly ] RE: [idealcopy] Xenakis ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...???opr the continuing story of Franks original question [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up =?ISO-8859-1?B?oCh3YXMgVGhlIFdobyk=?= [PaulRabjohn@ao] RE: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) [Alistair Tear ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:10:39 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #100 > In a message dated 3/29/04 6:50:20 PM Central Standard Time, > tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > >> cLOUDEAD: Ten : If "See You On the Other Side" era Mercury Rev decided to >> make a Hip Hop album, or if Kevin Shields produced the Beastie Boys it >> would probably sound a bit like this....incredibly eerie, dark, and >> sometimes bleak but in a strangely pleasant way...... >> > > i prefer the first (self-titled) Clouddead lp a tad bit more...the > Boards of Canada remix of Dead Dogs is very nice...as is the BOC remix > of "Last Walk Around Mirror Lake" by Boom Bip (who are also at the top > of the avant-garde hip-hop heap) > > RL > I'm glad this stuff has come up on the list. These "Anticon" guys have done some of the music that I've most enjoyed and engaged with since the punk days. cClouddead seem to have cornered the market in press interest but they aren't , in my view, the best configuration (they all have numerous projects in various combinations). Doseone has been likened to David Thomas. His album with Boom Bip, the title of which escapes me momentarily, is recommended as is his other group Themselves' "The No Music" (though the remix version is not so great). I'd been waiting for the avant-garde and hip-hop to meet for some time and with this album I really wasn't disappointed. Of course its nothing truly new but a new generation finding a new context for some of my favourite old ideas. To the unconvinced it also represents the "death of hip hop" but I can live with that. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:11:47 +0100 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Classic Stuff At 10:30 30/03/2004, Tim wrote: >cLOUDEAD: Ten : If "See You On the Other Side" era Mercury Rev decided to >make a Hip Hop album, or if Kevin Shields produced the Beastie Boys it would >probably sound a bit like this....incredibly eerie, dark, and sometimes >bleak but in a strangely pleasant way...... Well, I'm glad that someone's having fun with it! For me, it's a terrible disappointment after that endlessly wonderful first album, just a fairly lame and very limited set of ideas that only serve to remind me why I really love "proper" hip-hop so much. The first record was a spectacular expansion of possibilities, but this one feels like a dilution. Somewhere along the line, they seem to have lost the flow of it all, replacing the joyous streams of consciousness with repetitive slogans that tire rapidly and attempting to write a neat ten track album where the pleasure was all in the blurred chaos before. It bores me...although I do greatly wish that it didn't and still hold out some hope that I'll "get it" before it's filed away permanently. On the other hand..."Madvillainy" by Madvillain. Which doesn't bore me now and, I imagine, won't bore me ever, even though it's only forty-six minutes long and crammed full of ludicrous nonsense. That's the standard-setter for this year, I think. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:01:42 +0200 From: "Woerner Frank-Juergen" Subject: AW: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] Im Auftrag von Andrew Walkingshaw > Gesendet: Montag, 29. Mdrz 2004 17:50 > An: idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 07:37:12AM -0800, Ari Britt wrote: > > Woerner Frank-Juergen wrote: > > test, sorry > > > > No Woerner,we all died at 3:06 a.m GMT yesterday....Ari > > Ah, so this is hell? > > Explains a lot. I thought all copyists should go to heaven? regards, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 04:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Xenakis In a message dated 3/30/04 8:56:03 AM, ROSE_DAN@colstate.edu writes: >How come nobody's mentioned Xenakis? ))) I deliberately didn't mention Xenakis as I didn't want to throw Andrew in right at the deep end ! Fergus "Art's not a mirror, it's a fucking hammer." Andre Stitt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:32:02 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Xenakis "Art's not a mirror, it's a fucking hammer." Andre Stitt ////////////////////////////// Well, that brings a WHOLE new frame of meaning to Heidegger. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:33:41 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? I don't know. Take this test to find out.... http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv > Ah, so this is hell? > > Explains a lot. I thought all copyists should go to heaven? regards, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:54:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Television Attn UK listers Television are playing Lonodn ULU on June 23. It's a Glastonbury warm-up in a very small venue. Should be good... http://www.seetickets.com/?a=televisi Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:04:40 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? & browsing in the record library @ lunchtime a cd caught my eye called '44 great one-hit wonders' and there at track 28 was Edison Lighthouse with Love Grows (where my Rosemary goes) spooky A > > > > the whole concept *does* bring new meaning to "love grows > where my rosemary > goes," i suppose ... > > dan > > > >and why WOULD anyone eat LARGE quantities of Rosemary,and is > she nice? Ari > in Chapel Hill............ ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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My friends, come & join me in the "sixth level of Hell, the city of Dis"(?) where 'tis apparently stuffed full of heretics like me, and where we shall find *something* more interesting to do than the folks up *there*, where they seemingly just stroll about, looking superior, with beatific smiles on their faces......... Mmmm........Barbecue..............;-) dw I thought all copyists should go to heaven? regards, Frank Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:50:35 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] another i am the fly last night i just saw another electroclash cover of "I am the Fly" on some new electroclash compilation...i meant to jot down the title and the name of the artist but i was too excited about finding The Residents "Commercial Album" on cd with bonus tracks (used) and mainly because i found the re-issue of the Wire "Peel Sessions" cd ! my original one was suffering from disc rot and had horrible static at the end can't live without "Crazy About Love" !! RL np -Atom Heart "Fonosandwich" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:26:18 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #100 (few topics..) Antidepressants- be careful with them ! it is best and most powerful drugs in suicide. You can take zillion tablets of anxiolitics, any kind of drug and will not be effective as taking antidepressant. I work in Institute For psychitry and know that... for my humble opinion, some antidepressant are not supposed to be taken before the sleep, so be careful.. funny thing is that we have patient who take 3 pills of painkillers, she explained that she won't to killed herself ? i can write a book about most sillier way in attempting suicide but who care...? for example sunday afternoon in 3pm watching Bologna-Udinese or similar... Lambchop - maybe they gave up from Buzzcocks cover because Chris Eckman (Walkabouts ) put that on his solo album for Glitterhouse earlier this year (highly recommended) that Buzzcocks cover..after last year Walkabouts gig, band played music over PA and they play GoF, Buzzcocks... Lamchop covered and SoM with This Corrosion.. related to Lambchop i saw Willard Grant Conspiracy last night here in Belgrade and it was brilliant, absolutely touching and wonderful set... influences was various from Cave, Dirty Three ,AMC, Velvets, Stooges and in one moment with violin and slow-fast- quiet-load parts of songs they sound like GY!BE with singer.. Regard The End was Uncut album No.4 last year.. absolutely astonishing record..and gig.. his main man in this line up is Simon Alpin who's work with Teenage Fan Club.. he is just at the beginning of tour and catch you if you can.. as i know he will go to UK.. and Kristin hears appeared on Regard The End.. Ulrich Schnauss- two of my fave records last year was Four Tet - Rounds and Bernd Fleischmann - Welcome Tourist.. i agree with' friend from Germany that Four Tet was summer and Fleischman was winter soundtrack.. on some songs Fleischmann anticipated to me way Mogwai can go in near future... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:55:07 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) In a message dated 30/03/2004 12:48:33 GMT Standard Time, B.Clements@bepp.co.uk writes: > And on guitar... > > Put your hands together for Mr Brian May... //////////well he's crap , of course. but i'm afraid there is crappier (although his wig probably deserves a berth of its own. i've run the data thru the computer and as far as i can work out , current "worlds worst band" line-up is as follows ; vocals ; george michael guitar ; mike rutherford bass ; pino palladino drums ; phil collins * keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** onstage dancing ; chainy * obviously phil gets to come up front for an execrable solo spot at some point ** death is no problem , crapness is permanent p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:56:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #100 (few topics..) > Antidepressants- > > be careful with them ! it is best and most > powerful drugs in suicide. Well if I wasn't depressed before, I am now ; ) > i can write a book about most sillier way in attempting suicide > but who care...? for example sunday afternoon in 3pm > watching Bologna-Udinese or similar... Well here's one of my faves. Old lady, crippled with arthritis, bless her is unable to take the pain anymore, and decides to end it all. She makes her way to the local docks one night, stands on the edge and jumps into the dark, uninviting river below. Unfortunately, there's a small boat just below where she jumps. Lands on it and breaks both legs. Life's so unfair sometimes... Keith (who thinks Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes is a great pop 45!!) NP Stereolab - Margerine Eclipse (sounding better with every play) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:28:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? In a message dated 3/30/04 1:04:52 AM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > oh, depakote, celexa & trazodone, though this sort of thing has been going > on since childhood. nothing to compare to hp lovecraft's well-documented > dreams (which isn't to say i haven't had at least one dream about lovecraft > himself, some 29 years ago). damn. > > dan > > >BY GUM LADDY you do have some wierd dreams.whatcha on? > > last night i had a dream that i was in one of Dan's dreams....i was playing Tchaikovsky's "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy" on electric xylophone whilst Keith, Ari, and Bart did a slow scat tapdance that morphed into breakdancing on linoleum... resplendid in tuxedos and Resident-style big eyeball masks and top hats....Dan eventually woke up and told us to knock it off.... yes...i am heavily medicated today.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:43:02 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? Eric Klaver wrote: I don't know. Take this test to find out.... http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv > Ah, so this is hell? > > Explains a lot. Derek White: My friends, come & join me in the "sixth level of Hell, the city of Dis"(?) ////////////////////////////// HEY see you there. That's exactly where I'm headed. Though I can't imageine that there AREN'T any heretics on this list. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:25:59 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? wow ... i'm honored. i'm pretty positive i've never dreamed that i've been in someone else's dream, though of course i've had dreams that incorporate memories of dreams from the same night's sleep. dan >In a message dated 3/30/04 1:04:52 AM Central Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> oh, depakote, celexa & trazodone, though this sort of thing has been going >> on since childhood. nothing to compare to hp lovecraft's well-documented >> dreams (which isn't to say i haven't had at least one dream about lovecraft >> himself, some 29 years ago). damn. >> >> dan >> >> >BY GUM LADDY you do have some wierd dreams.whatcha on? >> > > > > >last night i had a dream that i was in one of Dan's dreams....i was playing >Tchaikovsky's "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy" on electric xylophone whilst >Keith, Ari, and Bart did a slow scat tapdance that morphed into breakdancing on >linoleum... resplendid in tuxedos and Resident-style big eyeball masks and top >hats....Dan eventually woke up and told us to knock it off.... > >yes...i am heavily medicated today.... > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:09:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > My friends, come &join me in the "sixth level of Hell, the city of Dis"(?) What, Diss in Norfolk? Truly a fate worse than hell, but probably quite comforting if you're Dutch ;-) Mark (only residing in the third level of Hell) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:10:58 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > Keith, Ari, and Bart did a slow scat tapdance that morphed into > breakdancing on > linoleum... Is that Scat as in Coil? Breakdancing on it must have caused an awful mess. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:28:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > vocals ; george michael > guitar ; mike rutherford > bass ; pino palladino > drums ; phil collins * > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > onstage dancing ; chainy > Nah. Dolores Cranberry has to front this ensemble, as well as supply the lyrics. And surely Mike Rutherford is too anodyne. I'd call for Ywngwginwgeie Malmenstneneensteen or whatever he's called should supply the fretwank, though I'd find it hard to throw Adrian Belew's application letter in the bin. A truly horrific band should feature a flautist too, so step forward Ian Anderson. His duet with Dolores "dere tanks and dere guns from the wood" would be a highlight of the set. As for chainy, I beieve he was called Jez. Later I'll explian how Howard Jones' act was in fact a Killing Joke tribute. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:58:01 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 06:28:46PM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > vocals ; george michael > > guitar ; mike rutherford > > bass ; pino palladino > > drums ; phil collins * > > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > > onstage dancing ; chainy > > > > Nah. Dolores Cranberry has to front this ensemble, Do I hear the possibility of a Danny MacNamara / Dolores Cranberry duet? I do believe I do. (Lead "singer" of Embrace. How he manages to always be a quarter-tone flat I will never know.) - - Andrew - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:02:45 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Classic Eclectic Stuff IMHO, stay well clear of all the 20th century giants; Schoenberg, Varese, Ives, Berg, Messian, Webern, Boulez, Stockhausen etc, as they're just a horrible noise. Indeed like Fergus. I see music also as a kind of organised noise. As joke I say sometimes music is air movement with an emotional value. Bruce would say everything is nature and all sound is noise. But horrible noise for 20th century classical music like Webern, Berg, Schoenberg. (You have forgotten Zemlinsky and Mahler for the Viennese School) Just bought me lyric suite from Alban Berg and I do have the complete works from Webern conducted by Boulez. Strange, I can understand that , but horrible. That's to simple. There is made a television serie made by Simon Rattle about the 20th century serious music. I still have it somewhere on a videotape. With the black and white images you hear why these music in relation to history is so good. The other important school that time was the french school and Grouppe de Six. Debussy, Ravel, Satie and the groupe de six (Auric, Durey, Honneger, Milhaud, Poulenc, Tailleferre). Sorry I am trying to make a bridege. Wwhat is coming up in May The new album by a legendary band from San Fransico is a quasi-cinematographic masterpiece conjuring simultanious impressions of Miles Davis, German electronica, Paolo Conte, Radiohead, DEBUSSY (there he is ) cyber-gypsies, MICHAEL NYMAN (another one already mentioned) The Velvet Underground and two dozen others, while being first and foremost unmistakeably TUXEDOMOON. What do you mean eclectic? CABIN IN THE SKY is the so called new album. Besides the recently reunited original line-up there are gusest such as TARWATER, John MacEntire (TORTOISE), AKSAK MABOUL, MARC COLLIN, JURYMAN and DJ HELL.. Mileta have you heard already something from or about this? np Tortoise: It's All Around You ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:11:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) > (Lead "singer" of Embrace. How he manages to always be a quarter-tone flat > I will never know.) Talking of which, The Blue Orchids have got a new album out ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:03:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? In a message dated 3/31/04 5:33:33 PM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Keith, Ari, and Bart did a slow scat tapdance that morphed into > >breakdancing on > >linoleum... > > Is that Scat as in Coil? > > Breakdancing on it must have caused an awful mess. > > Mark > cheeky monkey! milk through the nose moment aside, really Mark, you simply must stop this obsession with Coil...you take up a more wholesome obsession....like say...leather trousers.. RL np - Charlie Chaplin - Monsieur Verdoux (on TCM) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:19:27 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) Paul says: i've run the data thru the > computer and as far as i can work out , current "worlds worst band" line-up is > as follows ; > > vocals ; george michael > guitar ; mike rutherford > bass ; pino palladino > drums ; phil collins * > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > onstage dancing ; chainy Would 'Chainy' be the infamous 'Ged' who 'threw off his mental chains' with Howard Jones? I would replace George Michael with that lass from No Doubt, or the singer from There Might Be Giants, or the guy from the Spin Doctors. Or Lenny Kravitz. Or anyone who imitates that appalling Whitney/Boyz2Men wobbly-bottom-lip warbly show-off singing (i.e. 90% of vocalists post 1988) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:28:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) In a message dated 3/31/04 2:58:37 PM Central Standard Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > vocals ; george michael > guitar ; mike rutherford > bass ; pino palladino > drums ; phil collins * > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > onstage dancing ; chainy > > * obviously phil gets to come up front for an execrable solo spot at some > point > > ** death is no problem , crapness is permanent > > p > are we talking annoying or talentless? because i'm not so sure that Phil Collins is a bad drummer.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:31:12 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) >Paul says: > > i've run the data thru the >> computer and as far as i can work out , current "worlds worst band" >line-up is >> as follows ; >> >> vocals ; george michael >> guitar ; mike rutherford >> bass ; pino palladino >> drums ; phil collins * >> keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** >> onstage dancing ; chainy > > >Would 'Chainy' be the infamous 'Ged' who 'threw off his mental chains' with >Howard Jones? > >I would replace George Michael with that lass from No Doubt, or the singer >from There Might Be Giants, or the guy from the Spin Doctors. Or Lenny >Kravitz. Or anyone who imitates that appalling Whitney/Boyz2Men >wobbly-bottom-lip warbly show-off singing (i.e. 90% of vocalists post 1988) dave matthews or perry farrell, anybody? dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:34:01 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) In a message dated 3/31/04 7:24:51 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > I would replace George Michael with that lass from No Doubt a fat slob of a talentless hack if ever there was one...if i have to see that Orange County 30-something preen ever again, i shall puke... RL ps - and yes, at the core of my bile spitting is the fact that i have indeed met her and she most surely is deserving of the dreaded c-word.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:40:12 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Classic Stuff I said then Ian Said > At 10:30 30/03/2004, Tim wrote: > >cLOUDEAD: Ten : If "See You On the Other Side" era Mercury Rev decided to > >make a Hip Hop album, or if Kevin Shields produced the Beastie Boys it would > >probably sound a bit like this....incredibly eerie, dark, and sometimes > >bleak but in a strangely pleasant way...... > > Well, I'm glad that someone's having fun with it! For me, it's a terrible > disappointment after that endlessly wonderful first album, just a fairly > lame and very limited set of ideas that only serve to remind me why I > really love "proper" hip-hop so much. Must get the first LP then. I really like 'Ten', but I'm approaching it as someone with very limited knowledge of Hip Hop. Maybe I am the target audience? Perhaps this isn't really a Hip Hop record...its something else. I don't what it is, but I like it! Some of the vocal interplay reminds me of Wire... on tracks like "I feel Mysterious Today" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:47:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...???opr the continuing story of Franks original question MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Keith, Ari, and Bart did a slow scat tapdance that morphed into > breakdancing on > linoleum... Is that Scat as in Coil? Breakdancing on it must have caused an awful mess.Mark It did,we're still scraping Miles off the floor,he had dashed onto the stage to try and stop us,but quick drawing Bart drew up a hammer on his apple computer and squashed poor Miles before he could act,meanwhile Keith and I were trying to knock down Dan's door,for he was the real dreamer,going under the name of Freddie Andthe: Bob Dylan looked on in amazment,muttering "you can be in my dream if i cam be in yopurs'-the rest is history.Ari Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:59:17 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...???opr the continuing story of Frank... In a message dated 3/31/04 8:47:34 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Is that Scat as in Coil? > > Breakdancing on it must have caused an awful mess.Mark > > It did,we're still scraping Miles off the floor > > EGAD! what are you saying man?...are you implying that our dear Mr. Goosens is a steaming pile of dung? ....please Ari, use more caution in your name-calling ...the title of walking dung-heaps are reserved for the deserving...like George Bush and his bitch, Condoleeza Rice....Jack White.....Jennifer Lopez....Ashton Kutcher...Jessica Simpson...The Darkness.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly RLynn9@aol.com wrote: last night i just saw another electroclash cover of "I am the Fly" on some new electroclash compilation...i meant to jot down the title and the name of the artist but i was too excited about finding The Residents "Commercial Album" on cd with bonus tracks (used) and mainly because i found the re-issue of the Wire "Peel Sessions" cd ! my original one was suffering from disc rot and had horrible static at the end can't live without "Crazy About Love" !! RL Gotta be the best version out there......I love this rendition. Ari np -Atom Heart "Fonosandwich" Yahoo! 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RLynn9@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/31/04 8:47:34 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Is that Scat as in Coil? > > Breakdancing on it must have caused an awful mess.Mark > > It did,we're still scraping Miles off the floor > > EGAD! what are you saying man?...are you implying that our dear Mr. Goosens is a steaming pile of dung? ....please Ari, use more caution in your name-calling ...the title of walking dung-heaps are reserved for the deserving...like George Bush and his bitch, Condoleeza Rice....Jack White.....Jennifer Lopez....Ashton Kutcher...Jessica Simpson...The Darkness.... RL My Dear Robert, You're Wierd,meet me at the usual place.Auntie Ari Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:12:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly RLynn9@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 3/31/04 9:03:34 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: can't live without "Crazy About Love" !! RL Gotta be the best version out there......I love this rendition. Ari there's another version? RL Not that I know of...Ari Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:29:33 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? In a message dated 3/31/04 8:47:21 AM, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: >http://www.4degreez.com/misc/dante-inferno-test.mv yeah baby, for a good time join cleo, helen, and me on level 2! it's a breeze once you get there ;o) another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:53:31 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #100 (few topics..) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > > i can write a book about most sillier way in attempting suicide > > but who care...? for example sunday afternoon in 3pm > > watching Bologna-Udinese or similar... > > Well here's one of my faves. > > Old lady, crippled with arthritis, bless her is unable to take the pain > anymore, and decides to end it all. > > She makes her way to the local docks one night, stands on the edge and jumps > into the dark, uninviting river below. > > Unfortunately, there's a small boat just below where she jumps. Lands on it > and breaks both legs. > > Life's so unfair sometimes... > > Keith (who thinks Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes is a great pop 45!!) > > NP Stereolab - Margerine Eclipse (sounding better with every play) Keith, deja vu.. we have lady who jumped over a bridge and guess what, she didn't look over a fance-she fell on boat full of sand..without any damage.. one of fave was when one old lady take a bycicle and go to the top of small hill above house where she live (it was rural area). then she decide to sit and let bycicle be her guide through wood-downhill she was full of scrathes, bruises, etc.. of course nothing was broken and she is still alive now... as i saw her last year, she told me that her son bought tractor and she find a beaty of driving tractor np- The White Birch-satellite 128 btw, does anyone know link for downloading for New Order-Behind The Close Door ??? _ Me & Giulliani.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:17:38 +0100 From: Bunny Smedley Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another i am the fly > last night i just saw another electroclash cover of "I am the Fly" on some > new electroclash compilation...i meant to jot down the title and the name of > the > artist but i was too excited about finding The Residents "Commercial Album" > on cd with bonus tracks (used) and mainly because i found the re-issue of the > Wire "Peel Sessions" cd ! my original one was suffering from disc rot and had > horrible static at the end Is this the Adam Sky "I am the fly" on the Nag Nag Nag CD, or another one in addition to that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:10:41 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up =?ISO-8859-1?B?oCh3YXMgVGhlIFdobyk=?= the computer program i used was mainly based on data such as being utterly irritating , humourless , pretentious etc etc ; ability to indulge in muso wank is optional but not essential. i do conceded dolores must be in with a shout , though i've never thought of gwen stefani as that irritating at all. i forgot to add that we're making phil collins wear his "nonce sense" t-shirt as part of his contract , in honour of his finest hour. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:59:08 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) And Alasdair Roberts as support... A as far as i can work out , current "worlds worst > band" line-up is > as follows ; > > vocals ; george michael > guitar ; mike rutherford > bass ; pino palladino > drums ; phil collins * > keyboards and backing vocals ; linda mcccartney ** > onstage dancing ; chainy > > * obviously phil gets to come up front for an execrable solo > spot at some > point > > ** death is no problem , crapness is permanent > > p > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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Sorry, the comparison with the first record was based on a bit of an assumption...but, hey, if it sends you out to buy the thing, then maybe I shouldn't apologise. I'd be interested to know what you make of it, as someone who's approaching Clouddead from the opposite direction - I suppose that it's entirely possible that you'll see it as sprawling and unfocused in much the same way that I see "Ten" as limited and unambitious...! >I really like 'Ten', but I'm approaching it as someone with very limited >knowledge of Hip Hop. Maybe I am the target audience? Perhaps this isn't >really a Hip Hop record...its something else. I don't what it is, but I like >it! You're probably right. Certainly, it moves further towards some of your reference points (from what I've read) and further away from some of mine. Which is fine, of course - I wouldn't want to come across as some kind of offended purist and, besides, the first album is hardly a Jay-Z imitation. But I can't help feeling that the baby has been discarded with the bathwater this time - they've always been keen to point out and work on some of hip-hop's common deficiencies, yet they seem to have ignored its (and their) strengths here. There's a whole lot to be said for and done with the age-old formula of rhyming over beats before you need to start bothering to invent something else. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #101 *******************************