From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #100 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, March 31 2004 Volume 07 : Number 100 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] WMO stock [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #99 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) ["Clements, Bruno - BUP] Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: O.T Lambchop cover Stranglers ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff ["j.hobson" ] Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? ["Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] WMO stock All WMO and Origin stock is now back at WMO HQ. A lot of items are now down to single figures, so its first come first served. To request a Merchandise List reply to this email address. Order now to avoid disappointment. We still accept PayPal Thanks kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:00:27 +0100 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #99 > In a message dated 3/29/04 2:55:18 PM Central Standard Time, > sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: > >> IMHO, stay well clear of all the 20th century giants; Schoenberg, >> Varese, Ives, Berg, Messian, Webern, Boulez, Stockhausen etc, as they're >> just a horrible noise. > I think this view indicates one of the interesting things about Wire. For some fans the band are about as weird as they get. For others, like me, they're about as poppy as I can usually manage. If you're coming at classical music from a rock perspective I can see how the more rhythmically oriented stuff that some people have recommended would be an easy way in but assuming, as a Wire fan, (Wire being a band that have been through numerous stylistic transformations and who have been up every sort of avant-garde dark alley in their solo work) that you are willing to look below the surface, you'll find that the ostensible noise of a lot of C20 composition has a lot of sense behind it. I'm no expert and this probably isn't the time or place to go into this but as a recovered Ives-aholic I'd thoroughly recommend his Central Park In the Dark or The Unanswered Question as interesting and unique listening experiences. Both are readily available on reasonably priced CDs. Ives became more experimental over the years as he was constantly pushing against convention and established practice (sound familiar ?) so his early works are in conventional late C19 style. Half way between the extremes, the Third Symphony should please anyone who likes Copland or Vaughn Williams. Hope this helps. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:13:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff > >>...compunded by the dissapointment > of hearing Franz Ferdinand and finding that they were not the Josef K...<< That would be asking rather a lot! They're Restricted Code, which is fine by me. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:28:22 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Worst band line-up (was The Who) And on guitar... Put your hands together for Mr Brian May... Keith (who thinks the Franz Ferdinand album is a really good pop record) >>>Bit harsh, old boy... Not that I actually own any of their records/CDs, mind. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:14:32 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff > However do check out Radio 3s Late Junction and Mixing it (all available on > the net). These are eclectic programs which will always turn up gems as well > as the downright bizarre. Like Godspeed You Black Emperors followed by > Mozart followed by mongolian throat singers! I heard a concert by some Mongolian singers (be they throat or otherwise!) on R3 a couple of years back and it was fab! I was intrigued to hear where they were from because they sounded somewhere between Middle Eastern and African. Jan mentioned the Kronos Quartet. There was a track by them on a recent free cd with Uncut - entitled Lux Aeterna. It's stunningly beautiful. Does anyone know if this is fairly typical? Keith np Broadcast - haha sound ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:37:46 -0500 From: "DAN L ROSE" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff All this talk of modern composition has given me the nerve to post. Much of the Kronos Quartet can be very lovely. Their take on Glass's string quartets (very lovely) and his Dracula soundtrack are quite moving (the latter with a nice bit of melodrama thrown in). The Quartet's take on Schnittke (sp?) is very nice, too. Their are several Reich pieces they perform that'll turn your heart to over cooked okra. How come nobody's mentioned Xenakis? He's very abstract and visceral, kinda like the orchestral version of feedback. Anything by the guy, especially his work for large ensemble or orchestra ain't to be missed. When I listen to him, can't help but think this is the sort of music some alien civilization might dance to. Dan From: "Keith Astbury" To: "ideal copy" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff Date sent: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:14:32 +0100 > > However do check out Radio 3s Late Junction and Mixing it (all available > on > > the net). These are eclectic programs which will always turn up gems as > well > > as the downright bizarre. Like Godspeed You Black Emperors followed by > > Mozart followed by mongolian throat singers! > > I heard a concert by some Mongolian singers (be they throat or otherwise!) > on R3 a couple of years back and it was fab! I was intrigued to hear where > they were from because they sounded somewhere between Middle Eastern and > African. > > Jan mentioned the Kronos Quartet. There was a track by them on a recent free > cd with Uncut - entitled Lux Aeterna. It's stunningly beautiful. Does anyone > know if this is fairly typical? > > Keith > > np Broadcast - haha sound > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the CSU Email Gateway, and is > believed to be clean. > - -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the CSU Email Gateway, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:32:32 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: O.T Lambchop cover Stranglers Oh ok, I was rather hoping they would keep the Buzzcocks cover - "Why Can't......" Don't give too much more away, the Knights and the Lumbards are seeing them at Wycombe. AndyL >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >> Behalf Of Ian B >> Sent: 28 March 2004 21:20 >> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: O.T Lambchop cover Stranglers >> >> >> Lambchop encored with a (not entirely successful) cover of The >> Stranglers' >> 'Grip' last night in York. >> Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:36:46 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? I know from taking antidepressants that dreams are very vivid and easy to remember. wnd3 --- Keith Knight wrote: > Dan > > Usually other people's dreams are of little interest > but yours are > something else - your recollection is so specific! > > Another the Keith ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:43:35 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff In a message dated 3/30/04 7:18:46 AM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > Jan mentioned the Kronos Quartet. There was a track by them on a recent free > cd with Uncut - entitled Lux Aeterna. It's stunningly beautiful. Does anyone > know if this is fairly typical? > > Keith Lux Aeterna is a composition by Gyorgy Ligeti ...most famously remembered for it's inclusion in the 2001 A Space Odyssey soundtrack (along with Atmospheres)... one of my favorite Kronus Quartet pieces is George Crumb's harrowing "Black Angels"...written in angst over the Viet Nam War.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:58:48 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? Eating large quantities of rosemary (the herb you pervs) -- usually with pork tenderloin and red wine-- gives me incredibly vivid, bizarre dreams. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Monochromatic Man Sent: March 30, 2004 10:37 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? I know from taking antidepressants that dreams are very vivid and easy to remember. wnd3 --- Keith Knight wrote: > Dan > > Usually other people's dreams are of little interest > but yours are > something else - your recollection is so specific! > > Another the Keith ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:36:22 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Culture Vulture IMHO, stay well clear of all the 20th century giants; Schoenberg, Varese, Ives, Berg, Messian, Webern, Boulez, Stockhausen etc, as they're just a horrible noise. ))) Oh no no no !! Well it's all just noise isn't it ? Webern, Messaien and Varese made wonderful noises (not familiar enough with the others)... as Rob says, one man's noise etc., etc... these things require patience and open ears... it does take time. This reminds me of the first time I heard "The Culling Is Coming" and "Mzui", circa 82, my listening abilities weren't sufficiently expanded to really assimilate these records properly for some time. In relation to the particular cultural landscape they emerged from, they occupied a rather unique position, as there was far less of this kind of ground being explored, and required new co-ordinates on the part of the listener to navigate the terrain. It's not so much that they sound safe now, but the ground that's been covered since then has deepened our quality of listening, and makes them easier to take in. They make more sense I guess. The crossover between previously mutually exclusive areas like electronics, dance, improv, noise, classical, post rock etc., has made audiences more curious... about new ways of articulating noise (which is the basic element of music, be it 'musical' or 'non-musical' noise) and more likely to go to stuff they thought was not within their orbit... which is definitely a healthy development.. And avoid at all costs Radio 3's contemporary showcase "Hear and Now" on Saturday nights, which is full of pretentious, soulless, atonal, arhythmic gesturing and gimmickry; the aural equivalent of Concept Art. ))) Well, like any form of culture, there's good stuff and bad stuff. But it's generally good to have a rummage in there. You will find interesting stuff if you want to. Give it a chance at least. Fergus np - Main: Firmament III __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:49:21 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff > As for techno: Ulrich Schnauss's "A Strangely Isolated Place" was my > favourite record of last year, and I've recently been enjoying the odd > track from Manitoba, Four Tet, Casino vs. Japan, Boards of Canad (of > course), et al... > > - Andrew Crickey, I've joined the right list! I thought I was the only person in the UK to have bought this:-) If he had a snappier name I wonder would he better known! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:00:46 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 07:49:21PM +0100, j.hobson wrote: > Crickey, I've joined the right list! I thought I was the only person in the > UK to have bought this:-) > If he had a snappier name I wonder would he better known! It seems to be a sleeper hit: people who know I'm into music keep asking me "Have you heard..." - I doubt it's setting the world alight, but I've talked at least five people I know into buying copies. (Assuming we're talking about Ulrich Schnauss, here). It's a wonderful record. - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:04:58 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff In a message dated 3/30/04 1:03:16 PM Central Standard Time, xerif@dsl.pipex.com writes: > Crickey, I've joined the right list! I thought I was the only person in the > UK to have bought this:-) um..you can't be serious... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:30:22 +0100 From: "j.hobson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff Yeah, deadly! He's hardly a household name, even If I could pronounce it;-) I've never seen his CDs in any record store to date& that includes a potter around the West End when it came out. Cheers, John - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff > In a message dated 3/30/04 1:03:16 PM Central Standard Time, > xerif@dsl.pipex.com writes: > > > Crickey, I've joined the right list! I thought I was the only person in the > > UK to have bought this:-) > > um..you can't be serious... > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:13:14 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury > Oops. My mistake. > > 22&23 June. > Damn! I'm in Berlin from 22 July ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:21:57 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: O.T Lambchop cover Stranglers - ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Lumbard : RE: [idealcopy] Re: O.T Lambchop cover Stranglers > Oh ok, I was rather hoping they would keep the Buzzcocks cover - "Why > Can't......" Don't give too much more away, the Knights and the Lumbards are > seeing them at Wycombe. > AndyL Sorry Andy and Keith - I never thought... I'll say no more, but after Wycombe I'll tell you the other unexpected (and somewhat unwelcome) cover I saw them do. Not overwhelmed by the new album, I have to say. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:46:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? and why WOULD anyone eat LARGE quantities of Rosemary,and is she nice? Ari in Chapel Hill............ Eric Klaver wrote:Eating large quantities of rosemary (the herb you pervs) -- usually with pork tenderloin and red wine-- gives me incredibly vivid, bizarre dreams. Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Monochromatic Man Sent: March 30, 2004 10:37 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? I know from taking antidepressants that dreams are very vivid and easy to remember. wnd3 - --- Keith Knight wrote: > Dan > > Usually other people's dreams are of little interest > but yours are > something else - your recollection is so specific! > > Another the Keith ___________________________________________________________ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff RLynn9@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/30/04 7:18:46 AM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > Jan mentioned the Kronos Quartet. There was a track by them on a recent free > cd with Uncut - entitled Lux Aeterna. It's stunningly beautiful. Does anyone > know if this is fairly typical? > > Keith Lux Aeterna is a composition by Gyorgy Ligeti ...most famously remembered for it's inclusion in the 2001 A Space Odyssey soundtrack (along with Atmospheres)... one of my favorite Kronus Quartet pieces is George Crumb's harrowing "Black Angels"...written in angst over the Viet Nam War.. RL I quite like this one too,though one has to be in the right mood for this one,as for 'typical',no such thing with Kronos Keith.................Ari Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:46:02 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? the whole concept *does* bring new meaning to "love grows where my rosemary goes," i suppose ... dan >and why WOULD anyone eat LARGE quantities of Rosemary,and is she nice? Ari in Chapel Hill............ > >Eric Klaver wrote:Eating large quantities of rosemary (the herb you pervs) -- usually with >pork tenderloin and red wine-- gives me incredibly vivid, bizarre dreams. > >Eric in Toronto > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >Behalf Of Monochromatic Man >Sent: March 30, 2004 10:37 AM >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] O.T:is the list alive ...??? > > >I know from taking antidepressants that dreams are >very vivid and easy to remember. > >wnd3 > >--- Keith Knight wrote: > >Dan >> >> Usually other people's dreams are of little interest >> but yours are >> something else - your recollection is so specific! >> >> Another the Keith > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet >Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:38:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff In a message dated 3/29/04 6:50:20 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > Anyone got that 'OHM: Early Gurus of Electronic Music' compilation? Looks > like a good intro to such matters but appears to be deleted. > > this is a great compilation...it is a an imortant part of my cd collection...i refer back to it constantly....it's still available, you just have look around...have you tried Dusty Groove in Chicago? RL np - The Residents - Commercial Album ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:41:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff In a message dated 3/29/04 6:50:20 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > cLOUDEAD: Ten : If "See You On the Other Side" era Mercury Rev decided to > make a Hip Hop album, or if Kevin Shields produced the Beastie Boys it would > probably sound a bit like this....incredibly eerie, dark, and sometimes > bleak but in a strangely pleasant way...... > > i prefer the first (self-titled) Clouddead lp a tad bit more...the Boards of Canada remix of Dead Dogs is very nice...as is the BOC remix of "Last Walk Around Mirror Lake" by Boom Bip (who are also at the top of the avant-garde hip-hop heap) RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:28:33 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re : Classic Stuff In a message dated 3/30/04 8:56:03 AM, ROSE_DAN@colstate.edu writes: >How come nobody's mentioned Xenakis? or henze. i haven't listened to much classical in the past 10 years or so, but i remember liking some of his noise a lot. i think the ives recommendation was a good one too. - -paul c.d. n.p. jazz butcher-condition blue ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #100 *******************************