From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #91 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, March 22 2004 Volume 07 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] My Favorite (the brilliant band) [was Re: Top 10....errr 40 ] [Rain19c@aol.c] RE: [idealcopy] Kraftwerk in Glasgow ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now...But Don't Stop" [RLynn9@aol] [idealcopy] New Order question ["Jason Rogers" >My Favourite? That's interesting. I tried to do something with them a couple of years ago when I worked in UK distribution, but to no avail. Where did you pick up on them Michael?<< I heard "Homeless Club Kids" on a CD sampler 3 years back or so and I've loved them ever since. They are from Long Island, NY and since I grew up right near by in Queens, they were always playing in town. I've seen them live at least half of dozen times and they are always wonderful. I also moderate their discussion group over at yahoo, if you'd like to join! I'm still surprised they haven't caught on to a larger audience. You'd think with all the Smiths/Morrissey and New Orders fans out there - they'd be DROOLING over this band. For those who haven't heard them, My Favorite follow in the heritage of those 2 bands, right down to the use of articulate emotion, precise arrangements, and a liberal use of synthesizers. Yet they have recontextualized those influences into something that is their own and that sounds pretty modern and (dare I say!) timeless. The quality of their songs, lyrics, and concepts are so fully realized (and not to mention catchy as hell) that they transcend any notion of being "retro" and for me stack up as being just as brilliant as their jangling predecessors. I know that might seem a bit vague (and far-fetched!) to people unfamiliar with the band. Email me if you are interested in hearing some songs by them! ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:27:59 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Kraftwerk in Glasgow I saw them at Brixton Academy last night (the 8pm performance rather than the 11pm - don't know how they have the stamina at their age. OK they're just standing up but I feel pretty knackered this morning.) Thoroughly enjoyable with the new material fitting in well. A riotously enthusiastic audience with age ranges across the board. The footage hasn't substantially changed since the last couple of times I saw them, at least in subject matter. Interestingly it invokes nostalgia rather than the future. The Autobahn footage appears to have been made as a promo for how wonderful the autobahns were - people setting out picnics to watch the cars go by, which they do only every so often. A persuasive vision of the positive benefits of car use as opposed to the reality - he said pointedly as I was forced to drive through London to get to the gig last night as the train powerlines were down in high winds. Roads closed, roadworks, crazy drivers - bah! The robots also haven't changed much over the years - living proof of the lack of progress in robot design technology. From where I was standing the two central robots didn't look too much like their human origins - one looked black (perhaps this was the lighting?). I recall when I saw them in the early 80s they had an incredible array of glittering keyboards on stage - I think this must have been the tour when they dismantled Kling Klang and took it around with them. Now there are just four laptops with keyboards behind. Can they go anymore minimalist? What would they do with themselves if they did? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ian B Sent: 18 March 2004 23:32 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Kraftwerk in Glasgow Anybody else here in Glasgow for Kraftwerk? I have to say I'm not a massive fan (I'd go as far as to say they're overrated) but loved the gig - real high camp stuff. They played for a couple of hours, if you count the robots on stage for The Robots, and played basically a greatest hits set plus a fair chunk of the new album. It could have been dull were it not for the films on the screen behind them, full of grainy old black and white footage and animation. All very literal, so for Autobahn, you got promo-footage of the autobahn, for Trans Europe Express, you got footage of trains, for The Model, we got models etc. When there was no stock footage available the lyrics (such as they are) would appear on screen and always (note to Es Devlin) in perfect sync with the music. There was some doubt as to what actual contemporaneous input and influence the guys on stage actually had to the music, but the bum notes at the finale of (a thunderous) TEE kind of answered that one. The place was packed with what must have been Kraftwerk fanatics judging by the reception which greeted even the blinking red lights on the group's ties, but fair enough, many had waited years for this. You had to love the robots - they've even mirrored the hair loss. Quite an odd feeling though, watching 4 remote controlled mannequins move about a bit on stage whilst the crowd went wild and applauded furiously. Slightly spooky too, as whilst almost at rest, their heads turn ever so slightly to glance at each other. Well worth the trip! Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 03:32:11 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Dawn Of The Dead/was British Sea Power in Atlanta >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:31:13 -0600 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: British Sea Power in Atlanta > >so what'd you think of the dawn remake, jason? The Dawn Of The Dead remake is nowhere as good as the original film, but it's still pretty damn good, in my opinion. I'd give it a B+ on a grading scale. This one lacks the satirical edge on American consumerism that Romero's original movie had; instead, it focuses more on the actual survival aspects of the story. This Dawn Of The Dead remake is more of an action film; comparing it to the original is like comparing the more action-oriented Aliens to the first horror-oriented Alien film. The remake is 100 minutes long and, as such, is more of a efficient action film with a bit of horror thrown in. The remake is not nearly as gory as the original film was. There are some gory moments, but nothing that made my mouth fall open (like it did when I first saw the exploding head during the scene of the S.W.A.T. team in the building at the beginning of the original film). On a blood/gore scale, this remake is roughly on par with most other horror films today. On the plus side, the first ten minutes of this Dawn Of The Dead remake are spectacular...lots of aerial shots of explosions/chaos in the Wisconsin suburbs. After the first ten minutes, we are treated to one of the best uses of a song in a movie: the opening credits show news footage of zombies attacking in major cities while the Johnny Cash song, "The Man Comes Around", is playing. The opening credits conclude with Johnny Cash's closing lyrics on quoting the pale rider bit, "his name was Death...and Hell followed with him." Excellent. (My vote for Best Use Of A Song In A Film still goes to The Doors - "The End" during the beginning of Apocalypse Now, but the use of the Johnny Cash song in the Dawn Of The Dead opening credits gets a big thumbs-up.) Also, on the music side, the mall scenes do make some fairly witty use of Muzak selections during various scenes. If you go see the remake of Dawn Of The Dead in theaters, make sure that you stay in your seat when the credits begin to roll at the end of the movie. If you leave during the closing credits, you'll miss out on the real ending. All in all, I have to say that I really enjoyed the remake and liked it better than I expected (this is the general opinion of most of the professional reviewers...that this film doesn't hold a candle to the original, but it's still very much worth seeing). It moves quickly, makes room for some character development (Ving Rhames and company), and does have some horrific scenes at various points in the film when things go wrong. Look for a cameo by special effects guru Tom Savini (who worked on the original film). He plays a sheriff in a TV news clip. "Look, this one's another twitcher". >so did the trailer for 28 >days later, which i thought was pretty decent but ultimately a letdown. I really enjoyed 28 Days Later. I liked the ending more than most people seemed to, although the beginning of the film is much more fascinating. It was one of my favorite films last year and I've watched the DVD several times over. >given the current renaisssance of zombie movies, i'm more mystified than >ever by the fact (as i understand it) that george romero continues to be >unable to get backing for his proposed sequel to night-dawn-day, dead >reckoning ... I expect that Romero's Dead Reckoning will see the light of day soon if Romero is still intent on it. I hope so. I love zombie movies and have never been able to understand why everyone else doesn't love them as well. My favorite of the bunch is still the original 1968 black-and-white version of Romero's Night Of The Living Dead, but most of the zombie movies out there have some appeal. I'd like to see the Lucio Fulci films at some point, as I still haven't gotten around to renting them. The original Dawn Of The Dead was released on DVD last week, but this release (the theatrical version) is just a teaser for a Special Edition release of the same film later this year (with both director's cut and theatrical included). I'm waiting for the big set. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:13:40 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Dawn Of The Dead/was British Sea Power in Atlanta >If you go see the remake of Dawn Of The Dead in theaters, make sure that you >stay in your seat when the credits begin to roll at the end of the movie. >If you leave during the closing credits, you'll miss out on the real ending. interesting (i almost always stay throughout the credits anyway, mainly to identify songs used in a film), especially in light of the following criticism from another list, of "an end-credit sequence that was completely annoying to me. So much so, I left the theater before the credits were over. And I don't usually do that with films." >All in all, I have to say that I really enjoyed the remake and liked it >better than I expected (this is the general opinion of most of the >professional reviewers...that this film doesn't hold a candle to the >original, but it's still very much worth seeing). so i would gather, though oddly enough the syndicated reviewer in the local paper took the opportunity to largely dismiss the original for its "porn-movie-quality acting," or something like that. >I love zombie movies and have never been able to understand why everyone >else doesn't love them as well. same here, to the extent that a few months ago i shelled out $30-plus for the rather thin (for the money, at least), though quite enjoyable "zombie movie encyclopedia." it certainly added several titles to my must-see list. My favorite of the bunch is still the >original 1968 black-and-white version of Romero's Night Of The Living Dead, ditto. i first saw it under very favorable circumstances, as a 14-or-so-year-old at a drive-in in texarkana, texas. oddly enough, i've never gotten around to watching day of the dead, though i taped it off cable (chopped up, i think, for non-premium-channel broadcast) in the late '80s & again a couple of months ago off a premium channel. having bought the dvd fairly recently, i must finally rectify that. >but most of the zombie movies out there have some appeal. I'd like to see >the Lucio Fulci films at some point, as I still haven't gotten around to >renting them. the same going-out-of-business sale that yielded my abovementioned dawn dvd also produced zombi 3, which i also haven't watched yet. offhand, the only italian zombie flicks i've watched were on a double bill in phoenix back in '83 or so, the gates of hell & night of the zombies. by no means masterpieces (the zombie movie encyclopedia particularly doesn't like the latter effort), but enjoyable enough. >The original Dawn Of The Dead was released on DVD last week, but this >release (the theatrical version) is just a teaser for a Special Edition >release of the same film later this year (with both director's cut and >theatrical included). I'm waiting for the big set. same here. it's due out in, what, september? if so, just in time for my birthday ... > > >Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:02:49 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Send - A Year On > > If the reality of the bandmember' life situations are such that all getting > > together at the same time to record an album is a practical impossibility, > > then the 'options R' *either* we get a cut &paste Wire album or no Wire album > > at all, and I'd much rather have something to listen to. > > > > I don't buy into this theory at all.i think they just wanted to see what > would happen if they contributed from afar instead of getting all together at the > same time. I know Graham lives in Sweden & all that but they have found an > awful lot of time to go touring all over the world together which doesn't make > sense. > I can understand not having time to tour widely but making an album .... > > Chris Surely it's a question of economics. They have to be present for the tour and get paid accordingly. They don't all need to be present in the studio. It probably cuts down on the arguing, too ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:18:04 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile > Agreed. Coincidentally I picked up 'Hats' for three quid on CD earlier > this week. Excellent. I got Rooftops for four quid! It was the one I'd never got before. What's your feeling on Peace At Last. I think some people think of it as yet more of the same, but I liked it a lot. Whether it was quite worth the wait is perhaps open to debate, but I like their attitude that they won't release something until they've got something worth releasing, and not just do it for the sake. Keith np the longcut ep ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:38:37 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Dawn Of The Dead/was British Sea Power in Atlanta thanks for th ereviews guys. i've been wondering if it was gonna turn out worthwhile at all. >the only >italian zombie flicks i've watched were on a double bill in phoenix back >in >'83 or so, the gates of hell & night of the zombies. by no means >masterpieces (the zombie movie encyclopedia particularly doesn't like the >latter effort), but enjoyable enough. you must get hold of cemetery man (a.k.a. dellamorte dellamore). very surreal, just the right gore/humor ratio and a great ending. also high up (on top?) on the gore/humor list, and you may have seen it, is braindead (a.k.a. dead alive). not italian, but who cares :o) and in case any interested parties haven't seen the return of the living dead movies, number 3 is really fun and has a good storyline. as a kid growing up in 70's, i used to watch creature features and chiller theater religiously. night of the living dead was the first movie to scare me so much (i was probably 10 yrs old mind you) i turned the tv off. next time i saw it was probably in the daytime :o) - -paul c.d. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:51:44 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile Peace at Last is not in the same league AFAIC - just disn't have the power of Hats (and to a lesser extent, Rooftops). Haven't played it for some time. I also liked the fact that The Blue Nile were for some time the only band on the Linn record label. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.indoorminer@virgin.net] Sent: 21 March 2004 19:18 To: Keith Knight; RLynn9@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile > Agreed. Coincidentally I picked up 'Hats' for three quid on CD earlier > this week. Excellent. I got Rooftops for four quid! It was the one I'd never got before. What's your feeling on Peace At Last. I think some people think of it as yet more of the same, but I liked it a lot. Whether it was quite worth the wait is perhaps open to debate, but I like their attitude that they won't release something until they've got something worth releasing, and not just do it for the sake. Keith np the longcut ep ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:17:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile >>Peace at Last is not in the same league AFAIC - just disn't have the power of Hats (and to a lesser extent, Rooftops). Haven't played it for some time. I also liked the fact that The Blue Nile were for some time the only band on the Linn record label.<< Weren't they formed to make hifi demo albums? I thought the idea behind AWATR was to demonstrate the capabilities of the Linn Sondek turntable. Totally agree re PAL. Boring MOR album compared to the other two, which are very Associates-like in places. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:06:48 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile According to this website they pre-existed but were taken up early on by Linn by a fluke of timing: http://www.psiron.demon.co.uk/the_unofficial_blue_nile_frame.htm another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 21 March 2004 21:17 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; keith.indoorminer@virgin.net; RLynn9@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Blue Nile >>Peace at Last is not in the same league AFAIC - just disn't have the power of Hats (and to a lesser extent, Rooftops). Haven't played it for some time. I also liked the fact that The Blue Nile were for some time the only band on the Linn record label.<< Weren't they formed to make hifi demo albums? I thought the idea behind AWATR was to demonstrate the capabilities of the Linn Sondek turntable. Totally agree re PAL. Boring MOR album compared to the other two, which are very Associates-like in places. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:38:08 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now...But Don't Stop" ok...here is a bizarre story for ya....so my evil ex girlfriend has been e-mailing me a lot lately...seems she's depressed and having a rough time out in La La Land... apparently she's chain smoking, drinking and doing too many drugs, and on top of that she's a dominatrix now...works in some dominatrix dungeon club.... she has been telling me that she has met Morrissey several times (he supposedely lives in L.A. now) but i never really made the connection (at the time she didn't know that i knew about her "profession") today she said that she met all the Smiths the other night...through a friend who was "entertaining" them.... not sure i believe all this (why would the rest of the Smiths be in Los Angeles?) but it makes for entertaining imagery..... now where the hell are those leather pants that Keith sent me... RL np - Laid Back - "White Horse" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:35:36 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] New Order question I've been listening to New Order for well over fifteen years and have wondered what the "W-W-W-R-L" stands for at the beginning of the 1987 version of "Confusion". Does anyone here know where the letters came from? I'm making a CD-R of New Order songs to introduce the band to a co-worker and this version of "Confusion" is one of the ones that made the cut. It'd be nice to know what the letters mean because I'm always inevitably asked and I've never known. Thanks. Jason Now Playing: New Order - "Broken Promise" (still working on the CD-R mix) _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms  all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:08:00 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] How to Githead in advertising Hello chums, I'm back at work after two weeks off - part holiday, latterly flat out with a stomach bug... Before I get down to dealing with the 672 mails in my box (gosh y'all been in chatty mood!) Did anyone hear the Scanner interview last night on Resonance FM? It's an hour long and is kind of 'illustrated' with King Crimson's 'frame by frame'. he sounds a bit of a posh lad but has interesting stuff to say about his Colin / Malka project and how they chose the 'Githead' moniker... also his music for a French morgue...(no, honestly) anyway I had recovered enough to record it and can supply on cd-r to any interested parties...off list please now back to work... later A > > > Just looking at the press bumf on swim~10, and can't > help noticing, on the picture of Shithead, oops, > sorry, Githead :), it looks like their heads are all > glued together at odd angles... > > > http://www.posteverything.com/news/article.php?id=6605&Critter Session=171b9d14780a1f6509895678718a70a0 > > Fergus > > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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