From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #87 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, March 18 2004 Volume 07 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] RE: top ten albums/Substance/U2 [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] and Derek wrote (Pt. 4.7) [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Pixies in Seattle, WA [Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: top ten albums/Substance/U2 So how many candles ya burnin' Paul (and happy birthday Ari (Auntie Ari indeed,I'll get 'im......now where's me purse?) Bart van Damme wrote:> p.s. got a gift card for my b-day today and spent it already! british sea > power, tv on the radio, the pleased, and franz ferdinand are on the way!! So happy birthday Paul! I must say I like Franz F. live better than on the album. Its production should have been a bit more... well a bit more! Bart Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:31:20 +1100 From: "anastasia" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Review from the Corner Hotel Hi Guys I've scanned a Wire review from one of the music papers in Melbourne. I have forgotten which one (oops). Not sure I am permitted to send attachments to the list, so if anyone would like a copy I can send it to you privately. Let me know and I will send it once I get a few requests. anastasia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:42:01 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] iPod vanishes... iPod mini to get, er, more mini? Bruno Japanese electronics giant Toshiba has produced a 0.85 inch hard disk drive, measuring 24mm (0.96 inches) in width, 32 mm(1.28 inches) in length and 3-5 mm (0.12-0.2 inches) in thickness and weighing less than 10 grams, in the photo released Tuesday, March 16, 2004. According to Toshiba Corp., Tuesday, the hard disk, with a capacity of 2 to 4 gigabytes, will be recognized as the smallest one in the world by the new 2005 Guinness Book of World Records, which will be issued in September. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:28:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Well I never.... >>Well, you learn something new everyday! I always liked the first two Cure albums greatly but didn't know our boys had influenced them.<< For the benefit of list newbies, here's the article. It's a realy good read too. http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I11.html Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 03:30:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Blink-182/Robert Smith Blink-182/Robert Smith........... What's the name of the c.d with uncle Robert on it? Aunt......... err Ari Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:48:29 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blink-182/Robert Smith >Blink-182/Robert Smith........... >What's the name of the c.d with uncle Robert on it? Aunt......... err Ari it's s/t ... yeah, i bought it. haven't had the nerve to play it yet, though. ears still ringing from the mekons in atlanta about 5 hours ago ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:35:06 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Jason asked... > > and The Jam (crap) > > When was that? I saw them in November 79. I'm guessing your gig was earlier > than that... > > I thought they were rather good. Astonishingly loud, and as a harbinger of > what was to come, Mick Talbot on keyboards for part of the set. I saw them on that tour, too. It was the height of the mod revival and it was a bit scary outside, standing in a queue at Deeside Leisure Centre whilst "North Wales Mods" and "Liverpool Mods" threw bottles at each other - over the rest of us!! And there was a massive scrap inside which IIRC brought a short halt to the Jam's set. They were very good, as were the support act - The Vapors! Saw them on their 1980 and 1982 tours at the same venue, and enjoyed each one. One thing I always liked about The Jam was Rick Bucklers effortless drumming. Always sounded like thunder but was achieved with minimum fuss. I don't believe the man ever even broke into a sweat. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:00:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Jason asked... > >>I saw them on that tour, too. It was the height of the mod revival and it > was a bit scary outside, standing in a queue at Deeside Leisure Centre > whilst "North Wales Mods" and "Liverpool Mods" threw bottles at each other - > over the rest of us!! And there was a massive scrap inside which IIRC > brought a short halt to the Jam's set.<< Blackpool was crawling with mods as you might imagine. Just about every mod or ska band played there, at the Norbreck Castle (a huge hotel built like a castle, with turrets, battlements etc)... > >>They were very good, as were the support act - The Vapors!<< They were really backed by the Jam weren't they. Must admit I did enjoy that gig! > >>Saw them on their 1980 and 1982 tours at the same venue, and enjoyed each > one. One thing I always liked about The Jam was Rick Bucklers effortless > drumming. Always sounded like thunder but was achieved with minimum fuss. > I don't believe the man ever even broke into a sweat.<< > > I guess I saw the same tours as you - the 80 and 82 gigs both at Birmingham > Bingley Hall (an old tram depot, not the best of acoustics). By then they'd > got a huge 'casual' fan base - the precursors of the numpties who now go to > the football in burberry caps. Then it was pringle jumpers and side partings. > The very people Weller gently satirised in 'Saturday's kids'. Irony not a > strong point among the Jam massive though.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:22:49 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] British Sea Power in Atlanta I know that there was some talk about the British Sea Power show in Atlanta. Is anyone else from this list going? If so, let me know and maybe we'll see each other at the show. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' Keith Knight wrote: - -----Original Message----- Derek White Sadly, after a long tradition of putting quality gigs on at Lancaster Uni stretching back 20-25 years, these were more or less the last shows of any note that the venue put on.....:-(( - -------------------------------------- As a former Lancaster University alumnus (75 - 78) I saw some decent gigs there, most memorably a great John Cale performance in late 75 or early 76 with Chris Spedding on guitar, and Cale effectively predating punk by about a year (later than Peter Hammill, natch, who had released his punk album, Nadir's Big Chance earlier in 75 - had to throw that one in /// As anyone who caught John Lydon's appearance on Radio 1's "My Top Ten" program, transmitted in 1980 will know, he indeed cited Hammil's 'Nadir's big chance' as one influence among many : IIRC he said something like 'this guy's a bit gloomy for a lot of people, but give this a chance' and proceeded to play the title track.:- most of the album is composed of PH's usual stock in trade, ie bittersweet ballads and some pretty intense angst, but there are at least three tracks on that disk you can hear the nascent rumblings of the fuzz-laden three-chord wonders that punk ushered in and think "and this predated punk??" Hmmm....... Now I'm not claiming 'godfather of punk' credentials for PH, as that would clearly be ludicrous, and anyhow, I reckon Iggy's got *that* one sewn up, but 'Nadir's big chance', 'Birthday song' and another ('Two or three spectres'?) clearly were rattling about in Lydon's skull, during those early Pistols rehearsals, methinks. If the album didn't actually write the first words on the dog-eared page that is punk, you could make a credible case that it at least dipped the quill in the inkwell...... in this regard, the sleeve notes are also pertinent..... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:18:39 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blink-182/Robert Smith In a message dated 3/17/04 5:30:36 AM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Blink-182/Robert Smith........... > What's the name of the c.d with uncle Robert on it? Aunt......... err Ari > i've got a better question! WHO CARES!? Blink 182 are garbage.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:30:19 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blink-182/Robert Smith > WHO CARES!? > > Blink 182 are garbage.... Shit. Shirley's altered, hasn't she ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:33:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' > Now I'm not claiming 'godfather of punk' credentials for PH Thank fuck for that!! Cos if Peter Hammill is the godfather of punk, then I am truly the godfather of soul and you can not only take me to the bridge, but you can push me off the bleeding thing as well!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:39:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Surviving New York Dolls reform? I guess we should have seen this one coming!! Speaking to NME.COM over the weekend the former Smiths star said that = the surviving New York Dolls are reforming for their first show since = the '70s, and other acts likely to appear include Franz Ferdinand, = Sparks and Elton John. As Morrissey is curating the festival, he will also make a live = appearance. Meltdown takes place annually and started life as a classical event. = Each year a prominent or influential member the music world is = approached to curate, and as time has progressed the festival has become = more rock orientated. This year's festival will take place between June 11-27 on the South = Bank Centre in London. The star, who is to release his first album in seven years 'You Are The = Quarry' on May 17, is the twelfth artist who has accepted the invitation = organise Meltdown since 1993. Previous directors include Lee 'Scratch' Perry, David Bowie and John = Peel. Speaking about the event, the singer said: "For me, this is a privilege = and I will rise to it. Curating Meltdown is a great opportunity for me = to acknowledge some of the music and words that have excited me over the = years. Some of you have i-Pods, I have Meltdown." The singer is also rumoured to be playing this year's Glastonbury and = Reading and Leeds festivals. http://www.nme.com/news/107858.htm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Morrissey drops festival hints - NME.COM.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:43:23 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 04:33:00PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > > Cos if Peter Hammill is the godfather of punk, then I am truly the godfather > of soul and you can not only take me to the bridge, but you can push me off > the bleeding thing as well!! That would be a "breakdown", then. :-) I'm on University Challenge next Monday, by the way: 8:30pm, BBC2. Don't think I've mentioned it here yet. - - Andrew (wonders what genre of music he can have dominion over...) - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' Keith Astbury wrote: > Now I'm not claiming 'godfather of punk' credentials for PH Thank fuck for that!! Cos if Peter Hammill is the godfather of punk, then I am truly the godfather of soul and you can not only take me to the bridge, but you can push me off the bleeding thing as well!! / Would the Menai suspension bridge be the most convenient for you, then? ;-) As for your new vocation, all I have to say to ya is "Get up offa that thing"..............:-) ps please see the caveat in my post. The bit that says "that would clearly be ludicrous......" Seroiously, read the sleeve notes to NBC, *then* deny not one scintilla was flitting round the Lydon cranium. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:02:08 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Jason asked... > > I guess I saw the same tours as you - the 80 and 82 gigs both at Birmingham > > Bingley Hall (an old tram depot, not the best of acoustics). By then they'd > > got a huge 'casual' fan base - the precursors of the numpties who now go to > > the football in burberry caps. Then it was pringle jumpers and side partings. > > The very people Weller gently satirised in 'Saturday's kids'. Irony not a > > strong point among the Jam massive though.... Yes. At the risk of sounding superior, they were adopted by the plebs weren't they ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SEND:received, understood, and a year on. (Formerly)Checking... Nice reveiw, Bruno, and a timely one, in that it's a year on (give or take) , and since most albums take a while to 'bed in' and find their correct place in your conciousness and affections, I was *wondering* how other people on this list now regard "Send":- just *where* does it stand in relation to the rest of the WIRE canon, and what do we hope for from the next release (hope I'm not tempting fate here!) As someone's already pointed out, it can now stand in it's own right, rather than being a compiled version of "Read and Burn 1 & 2", so let's have those critiques, people. For my own part, I think there's some *good* stuff on there, one or two *great* pieces, one so-so 'snuh?' piece, and one track of ...erm.... sadly, *lamentable 'filler'*.... (I'll leave you to ruminate over which is which 'til my next entry here, when 'revealing trade secrets' will occur. ) Overall, I'd give it 7 or 8 out of /10 (decisions not a strengh) and a "good but *can* do better" in the margin, but *please* remember that the yardstick employed here is referenced to Wire's existing works, ie judged by their own standards, rather than any other records. Or put another way, an average wire record is still *way* better than a lot of other bands could ever manage. So put away the red pens folks....;-) Go on then: who thinks they know which track I've called 'lamentable filler'........? ;-) "Clements, Bruno - BUP" wrote: PJK is to insert the missing 'I' from the first par and an 'of' from the 'Sent' par... If anyone spots any howlers that I've dropped please let me, or him, know... B http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/Wire__Send.htm G Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:04:05 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] British Sea Power in Atlanta << I know that there was some talk about the British Sea Power show in Atlanta. Is anyone else from this list going? If so, let me know and maybe we'll see each other at the show. >> hey Jason -- i'll be there! unfortunately busy beforehand though.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:51:42 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] SEND:received, understood, and a year on. (Formerly)Checking... Brilliant thread. My two cents on Send: Of Wire's catalogue, I think it is one of their most exciting ventures. It has a degree of the sense of adventure that populated their more obtuse moments in the Eighties and I think it has a constant sense of propulsion (as a whole) that had been somewhat absent from not only their music but music in general for years. For me rock music in recent years had become staid and boring until this new crop of Wire material surfaced. Most of the good rock of late had taken its cue from nostalgia, whilst Wire's stuff comes from a place that's undeniably their own--always has and probably always will. Sure, you can call it self-referential but all the same no one else thought to go down this avenue and do it the way they did. My favorites are the comedic "Comet", the bile-spewing "Spent" and the dirging "You Can't Leave Now", which I think are fantastic additions to the group's 'highlight reel'. I think these tracks stand right up with "I Am the Fly" and "Ahead" and the other high points of their career. Also, a year on I rarely find myself thinking "Bugger them for culling material from those other two EPs" because those EPs are not nearly as widely available as the full-length. I do wish they'd added "I Don't Understand" because it would have meshed really well with the rest of the track listing, but that's a very minor gripe at best. Truly great music offers the listener a sense of adventure, and Send delivers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:01:50 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Blink-182/Robert Smith >> Blink 182 are garbage.... > Shit. Shirley's altered, hasn't she ; ) Damn, Keith's beat me to it! Bart (It's so obvious?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:13:56 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' >>Cos if Peter Hammill is the godfather of punk, then I am truly the godfather >>of soul and you can not only take me to the bridge, but you can push me off >>the bleeding thing as well!! >/ Would the Menai suspension bridge be the most convenient for you, then? ;-) Chester will do nicely, thanks. That way I can take a last look at the swans whilst I plunge to my watery death! (one surreal childhood memory is seeing a dead cow float down that river!) >ps please see the caveat in my post. The bit that says "that would clearly be ludicrous......" Seroiously, read the >sleeve notes to NBC, *then* deny not one scintilla was flitting round the Lydon cranium. Urgh! But that would mean me (PULLS FACE) touching a Hammill cd ; ( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:38:51 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' Loving your horror as I am Keith, I add to the evidence presented by Mr White and myself a piece by no less than Luke Haines of The Auteurs in this month's Word magazine (p82) in a section entitled '110 songs you HAVE to hear'. Wisely choosing the title track of Nadir's Big Chance, Haines (who claims that PH's early stuff makes him feel 'slightly ill') says: 'When I heard Nadir's Big Chance it was exactly what I thought the Velvet Underground would sound like - a sort of English version, this incredible motorik beat, truly proto-punk...with this song he actually managed to invent punk rock'. The case rests, m'lud. Off to that bridge with you. [Bizarrely, by the way, none of the 110 songs are by Wire]. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 17 March 2004 21:14 To: Derek White; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Nadir's big change?? Formerly 'Jason asked...' >>Cos if Peter Hammill is the godfather of punk, then I am truly the godfather >>of soul and you can not only take me to the bridge, but you can push me off >>the bleeding thing as well!! >/ Would the Menai suspension bridge be the most convenient for you, then? ;-) Chester will do nicely, thanks. That way I can take a last look at the swans whilst I plunge to my watery death! (one surreal childhood memory is seeing a dead cow float down that river!) >ps please see the caveat in my post. The bit that says "that would clearly be ludicrous......" Seroiously, read the >sleeve notes to NBC, *then* deny not one scintilla was flitting round the Lydon cranium. Urgh! But that would mean me (PULLS FACE) touching a Hammill cd ; ( ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:41:29 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Well I never.... I have wandered around the garden of St Catherine's Court, the house The Cure are occupying in this article. A beautiful place - very Cure - situated up a single track road just outside Bath. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 17 March 2004 11:29 To: B.Clements@bepp.co.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Well I never.... >>Well, you learn something new everyday! I always liked the first two Cure albums greatly but didn't know our boys had influenced them.<< For the benefit of list newbies, here's the article. It's a realy good read too. http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I11.html Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:49:14 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: Jason asked... Late 77 I think. I thought they were really one dimensional and it put me off them for good, although there best work was clearly yet to come. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com [mailto:MarkBursa@aol.com] Sent: 17 March 2004 01:32 To: steeleknight@lineone.net; zak_blakk@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: Jason asked... and The Jam (crap) When was that? I saw them in November 79. I'm guessing your gig was earlier than that... I thought they were rather good. Astonishingly loud, and as a harbinger of what was to come, Mick Talbot on keyboards for part of the set. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:03:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Derek sed...... Now I'm not claiming 'godfather of punk' credentials for PH, as that would clearly be ludicrous, and anyhow, I reckon Iggy's got *that* one sewn up What about Velvet Underground/Lou Reed,what about The Fugs?what about Barry Manilow (whoops,wrong list).........I'll get me candelabra.Ari Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] and Derek wrote (Pt. 4.7) Ye gods, the puritanical frenzy that *some* of your countrymen get in over mere words never ceases to amaze me.... Also, the manufactured moral panic that ensued after Ms Jackson's *very* choreographed nipple display absolutely gobsmacked me! Instead of rumbling it for what it undoubtedly was ie, an artist who's sales are heading South faster than Bush's poll ratings trying very badly to score some much-needed cred points with young-gun-of-the-moment Jason, to try and raise her sagging profile, the media over there got on it's bible-belt appeasing high-horse and rode it like an ol' palomino. Whattsamatter? Ya never seen a breast before, middle America? Jeez, and I thought *we* had our repressed busibodies, but we're mere amateurs when it comes to feigning outrage.........................................as you say, "ho Hum"... ;-) Totaly but totaly agree with you,as I'm sure most Americans would also,we currently have a right-wing/religious fanatic/multiple idiotic crazy mother-fucker at the helm who seems bent on destroying every thing good about this wonderful country (and it truly is) and the rest of humanity with it.Ari Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:20:13 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] and Derek wrote (Pt. 4.7) In a message dated 3/17/04 6:11:24 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Whattsamatter? Ya never seen a breast before, middle America? um...actually, the BEST strip clubs are in middle America...much much more risque' and downright lewd compared to either coast.... so yes, we have seen LOTS of breast thank you very much RL Massimo - Mort Aux Vaches ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] and Derek wrote (Pt. 4.7) RLynn9@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 3/17/04 6:11:24 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: Whattsamatter? Ya never seen a breast before, middle America? um...actually, the BEST strip clubs are in middle America...much much more risque' and downright lewd compared to either coast.... so yes, we have seen LOTS of breast thank you very much RL ever been to New Orleans Robert? you should if you ain't.one of my all time fave places to hang out with friends.Ari Massimo - Mort Aux Vaches Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:29:41 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #76 > Midnight Choir " Waiting For A Bricks To Fall " are > marvellous album. Most close comparasions vary from > song to song... on some songs is very clear that they owed > so much to engineered work of Phil brown and Tim friese-Green > (talk Talk) and voice is very similar to Chris Isaak, but fit perfectly.. > Cave, Walker and Tinders are because of orchestration... > on glitterhouse web-site you can download Will You Carry Me... > which was single from album..incredible.. Thanks for this, Mileta. I have family in Norway and feel a real affinity with the place! You're spot on with the references with Midnight Choir. It has a real Spirit of Eden feel to the instrumentation. Think i'll need to get used to the vocals - like Tindersticks this guy has a very distinctive voice that sounds a bit mannered on first listen. Bit of Johnny Cash in it as well? Long Time Ago sounds particularly good on first listen. Went straight back and played it again. Here's one of those very long links that Miles likes! http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.glitterhouse. com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dglitterhouse%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DU TF-8%26sa%3DG > also i will suggest you to download White Birch, also from Norway.. > from Glitterhouse web-site too, and then go to official one for more.. > it is fantastic..... and they support Midnight Choir.. > > i cannot find word to describe.... On first listens I probably preferred the White Birch mp3's, you know. Although more downbeat, they have a similar windswept feel to their sound as what I've heard by Hood. Definitely gonna play these (MC & WB) again. Think they'll be real growers. Thanks for the tip-off, Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 01:12:22 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Pixies V Festival 2004 if you missed out on Pixies tickets..you can see them courtesy of Richard Branson here. But there is a price to pay...read on.. P.S. I laughed out loud at the bit about Muse and Dido being co-headliners, but Muse go on last. Like it fucking matters which of those goes on first?! I would liken hearing Dido to the Audio equivalent of a Dog being sick in your face. I would liken Muse to a Horse being sick in your face....same thing just bigger and noisier. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: Ticketline News - V Festival 2004 > > > Dear Ticketline Subscriber, > > It's time for the return of V Festival. > > This year, it takes place on 21st and 22nd August at Hylands Park, Chelmsford and Weston Park, Staffordshire and goes on sale this Saturday 20th March at 9am. > > > The Lineup will be: > > Saturday-Hylands Park, Chelmsford/Sunday-Weston Park, Staffordshire > V stage - Dido, Muse > NME stage - Kings of Leon > > Saturday- Weston Park, Staffordshire/Sunday-Hylands Park, Chelmsford > V stage - The Strokes, Pixies > NME stage - Massive Attack > > Dido and Muse are co-headliners with Muse closing the show > > with the following acts also performing over the weekend: > > NERD > Athlete > Pink > Primal Scream > Snow Patrol > Keane > Jamie Cullum > > and more to be announced.... > > Book online from 9am on Saturday by clicking on the following link > > http://www.ticketline.co.uk/search.asp?Eventkeywords=V2004 > > or by calling the ticketline on 0870 100 0000 > > --- > > To unsubscribe from this service, please send an e-mail entitled 'Unsubscribe' to info@ticketline.co.uk > > http://www.ticketline.co.uk > Tel: 0870 100 0000 or 0161 832 1111 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:30:55 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Pixies in Seattle, WA Hi everyone, As long as we're talking about Pixies gigs, I thought I'd pass this along to any U.S. lister: From http://pixiesmusic.com/: Tuesday, March, 16th, 2004 Pixies Play Bumbershoot, V Festival The Pixies, Nas are the first main-stage acts announced for this year's Bumbershoot, the arts and music festival at Seattle Center on Labor Day weekend. Nas performs Sept. 5, while the Pixies take the stage on Labor Day, Sept. 6. Other confirmed artists include Koko Taylor, Brother Ali and Harvey Pekar. Starting March 24, single-day tickets are $15 until Aug. 27, then $25 per day. More information here: http://www.bumbershoot.org/ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:06:27 +1100 From: Hamish MacKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 At 11:45 PM +1100 11/3/04, anastasia wrote: >I believe there aren't too many Aussie fans here, if I can remember >correctly there is another in Perth, are there anymore? G'day Anastasia, I'm in Sydney >We all belong to the Comsat Angels 'Sleep No More' mail-list that I >moderate and own. Sleep No More was a favourite of mine back in the day. Are they still around then? >I knew I was in for a treat when Colin appeared on stage on his own and >paced up and down the stage with lyrics in hand 99.9. I thought the show >was incredible. I have been to many gigs in my life but none like this. >Wire blew me away literally, like what was that. Coming from someone who doesn't know much of Wire, that's quite a relief to hear - it makes me more confident that my raptuous emotions about the Sydney gig weren't necessarily prejudiced by long held and hitherto unquenched desires to see Wire performing live. >What now? Well I have a huge back catalogue to investigate. When I do, I >will report my thoughts here. Many have recommended 154, what are your >thoughts? Get them all get them all!! The albums prior to 154 are great for punk slanted tunes, 154 & after are mostly weird pop. The off-shoots are worth checking too - all the Dome stuff is brilliant for avantgarde (what a thrill it was when Yclept was release a few years ago). Duet Emmo is beautifully crafted twistedelectropop, Immersion is worth investigating too - - get the el cheapo Swim~ samplers from PostEverything to get an intro to Immersion (and other good stuff)....I'm interested to hear Githead's output. At 9:48 AM -0800 17/3/04, Derek White wrote: > I was *wondering* how other people on this list now regard "Send" Shamefully my copy is only now on it's way (along with the two R&Bs), but the bits I've heard on PosEverything and live owe wonderfully to the earlier days. Though I must admit to being slightly disturbed to here significant similarity to early Chrome on Spent, the vocal treatment and guitar distortion are straight out of Half Machine Lip Moves / Alien Soundtracks era. Identifiably Wire nevertheless. Totally love In The Art Of Shopping, if there's one more track on Send which is similarly pumping I'll be delighted. Oh and Anastasia, I'd love a copy of that review if yer don't mind :) Cheers Hamish ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:54:39 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 >I believe there aren't too many Aussie fans here, if I can remember >correctly there is another in Perth, are there anymore?> Perth? Thats me over here... I saw U2 at Leeds Futurama Sept 1980, Bono was already in his Rawk Star persona, getting the crowd to singalong, wave there hands etc!, he should be at Donington 'Monsters Of Rock' Festival i thought not here! I've put that very early Comsat Angels 'Red Planet' (Dead Good Records - 1979) track here : http://defiantpose.homestead.com Honaloochieboogie..yeah! Tim Np Daf - Mute 7"s - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Hamish MacKenzie To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:06:27 +1100 At 11:45 PM +1100 11/3/04, anastasia wrote: >I believe there aren't too many Aussie fans here, if I can remember >correctly there is another in Perth, are there anymore? G'day Anastasia, I'm in Sydney >We all belong to the Comsat Angels 'Sleep No More' mail-list that I >moderate and own. Sleep No More was a favourite of mine back in the day. Are they still around then? >I knew I was in for a treat when Colin appeared on stage on his own and >paced up and down the stage with lyrics in hand 99.9. I thought the show >was incredible. I have been to many gigs in my life but none like this. >Wire blew me away literally, like what was that. Coming from someone who doesn't know much of Wire, that's quite a relief to hear - it makes me more confident that my raptuous emotions about the Sydney gig weren't necessarily prejudiced by long held and hitherto unquenched desires to see Wire performing live. >What now? Well I have a huge back catalogue to investigate. When I do, I >will report my thoughts here. Many have recommended 154, what are your >thoughts? Get them all get them all!! The albums prior to 154 are great for punk slanted tunes, 154 & after are mostly weird pop. The off-shoots are worth checking too - all the Dome stuff is brilliant for avantgarde (what a thrill it was when Yclept was release a few years ago). Duet Emmo is beautifully crafted twistedelectropop, Immersion is worth investigating too - - get the el cheapo Swim~ samplers from PostEverything to get an intro to Immersion (and other good stuff)....I'm interested to hear Githead's output. At 9:48 AM -0800 17/3/04, Derek White wrote: > I was *wondering* how other people on this list now regard "Send" Shamefully my copy is only now on it's way (along with the two R&Bs), but the bits I've heard on PosEverything and live owe wonderfully to the earlier days. Though I must admit to being slightly disturbed to here significant similarity to early Chrome on Spent, the vocal treatment and guitar distortion are straight out of Half Machine Lip Moves / Alien Soundtracks era. Identifiably Wire nevertheless. Totally love In The Art Of Shopping, if there's one more track on Send which is similarly pumping I'll be delighted. Oh and Anastasia, I'd love a copy of that review if yer don't mind :) Cheers Hamish _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:06:10 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: top ten albums/Substance/U2 In a message dated 3/17/04 1:56:34 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: >> p.s. got a gift card for my b-day today and spent it already! british >sea >> power, tv on the radio, the pleased, and franz ferdinand are on the way!! > >So happy birthday Paul! > >I must say I like Franz F. live better than on the album. Its production >should have been a bit more... well a bit more! thanks. i'll let you (and the list) know what i think when i get em and hear em. meantime, i've been listenin to and liking i am spoonbender and califone. any fans of either here? - -paul c.d. p.s. mark, have you heard i am spoonbender's cover of young marble giants "searching for mr. right"? i don't have the record, but they performed it when i saw them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:10:52 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: top ten albums/Substance/U2 In a message dated 3/17/04 5:29:39 AM, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: >So how many candles ya burnin' Paul big "four oh" for me was march 3rd! - -p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 00:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: bring on the special guest From our former (airline?) own correspondent... later, Miles - -----Forwarded Message----- From: Fortissimo Sent: Mar 17, 2004 11:17 PM To: Hell hath no fury like the serial comma scorned Subject: [loud-fans] bring on the special guest http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news139.htm - search on "monkey"... - ------------------------------- ...Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society http://spanghew.blogspot.com/ :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 04:03:00 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pixies V Festival 2004 just a few words on this as i went to V97/98/99 at chelmsford (girlfriends parents lived just down the road......). its easy to buy day tickets rather than the full weekend , unlike glastonbury where you're stuck with the whole thing or nothing. as they often have a completely different "theme" on each day this is just as well (metal day , indie day , etc). compared to reading , V is very slick and well organised. also a big advantage is that V is over 2 big fields so its no problem to move between the stages and see whoever you want. at reading the second stage is a tent , so you've got no chance of getting in for any "hot" act (same applies to dance tents). and the toilets are pretty decent too..... my main advice would be to see the finalised bill before lumping out on a weekend ticket. i'd suspect one day would do it nicely , anything else they think will appeal to pixies fans will probably be lumped in on that day too. although missing dildo would be a bad call. obviously. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #87 ******************************