From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #83 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, March 15 2004 Volume 07 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] speaing obliquely of john mcgeogh ... ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] GM ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #82 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] Re: New Order/Stereolab [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #82 ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Get Ready for Movement (formerly top ten albums) [MarkBu] [idealcopy] Jason asked [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] 10 years Swim event ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] grauniad goofs ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #76 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] Jason asked ["Matt Hursh" ] Re: [idealcopy] grauniad goofs/ My Bloody Valentine &"Loveless" [Derek Wh] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Jason asked [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Jason asked [Derek White ] [idealcopy] tonight on R6 , 10.00 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: There's a Robert Smith interveiw in....... [Ari Brit] [idealcopy] did anyone hear............ [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] The Ukranians Pt.1.2 [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums [Ari Britt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:52:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaing obliquely of john mcgeogh ... > >I don't know if anyone else has told you this, Paul, but I think you're > >developing a really cynical streak in your old age ; ) > > > ////hmmm , cynical , moi? i like to think of it as "realism" but you might disagree here. the thing that really winds me up is certain characters who combine the pretentious with the mercenary , its that combination i really hate. so great news to see george michael back in action again :-( George Michael mercenary? Doesn't seem like it - well not any more anyway. He's retired from releasing records. Says he's just gonna release them on the internet. People can give money to charity as he doesn't need the money!! full story here... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3499534.stm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:54:14 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Checking... PJK is to insert the missing 'I' from the first par and an 'of' from the 'Sent' par... If anyone spots any howlers that I've dropped please let me, or him, know... B http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/Wire__Send.htm ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:55:57 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] GM Yeah, he came over quite well on Parkinson (BBC1, Saturday) as well... Bruno > >George Michael mercenary? Doesn't seem like it - well not any more anyway. He's retired from releasing records. Says he's just gonna release them on the internet. People can give money to charity as he doesn't need the money!! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:09:06 +0000 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #82 Hi - surely more a dead end than a dead loss...but you're right, then magic is in the four of them. Tony. > Remember seeing Robert Gotobed walking off stage and leaving the drum > machine running..and therefore unsurprised he left. To me Robert is the > soul of Wire and his marginalisation was a real error. Wir was a dead > loss. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:20:39 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: New Order/Stereolab << >My opinion differs on this one. I think Movement is perfectly produced >(even if it gets a lot of stick for being 'Joy Division lite') while >Lowlife is good but in dire need of remastering. Also, I think Barney's >singing on it is pretty bad myself and I suspect he felt that way >too--on Brotherhood his singing style has almost changed, to the way he >still sings today. Of course, it's just my opinion. >> Bit off the pace here, but as well as the register thing (which I can hear now Mark mentions it, though it dosen't explain the straining for the high notes on 'Age of Consent') Barney actually took singing lessons between Low life and Brotherhood - am sure that he 'fessed up to this at the time. This can be plainly heard in his performance on Shellshock (not one of my favourites by a long chalk). Saw Stereolab in Brighton last week and was very impressed - and I too have suspected them of loungedom/muso leanings. The only annoying part (I don't know or own much of their material) was that they'd start something up that was really kicking along, and then switch into something else after about a minute and thirty. Some of the songs rocked, with plenty of Neu!-nodding guitars, and the use of brass (something I'm usually suspicious of) was impressive (Lataetia wielded a trombone!). Am currently working as an editor on a book called the Top Ten of Everything, so lists of any kind now give me the fear. The only Top Ten I'm prepared to think about in my leisure time is the flying lizard's album of that name. Belated welcome to new members - very lively on here at the moment, and refreshingly free of rancour (try saying that with a speech impediment). cheers Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:32:54 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #82 > Remember seeing Robert Gotobed walking off stage and leaving the drum > machine running..and therefore unsurprised he left. To me Robert is the > soul of Wire and his marginalisation was a real error. Wir was a dead > loss. I'm as glad as anyone that the original line-up is place... Still can't help liking the First Letter, despite the obvious loss. Some of the surreal lyrics and sounds just do it for me. I'd listen to it no matter who it was by... We've had this debate already though, I think... ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:57:04 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaing obliquely of john mcgeogh ... >George Michael mercenary? Doesn't seem like it - well not any more anyway. >He's retired from releasing records. Says he's just gonna release them on >the internet. People can give money to charity as he doesn't need the >money!! /////yes i read this. and no , i don't believe it'll ever happen but i guess we will all have to wait and see about that. i think he'll need the attention rather than the money ,(having about #80M in the bank kind of helps i guess). and that's way too much george already. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:17:56 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: top ten albums/Substance/U2 With respect to Top Ten Album lists, is it cheating to list New Order's Substance? The reason being that, if I had to give up all of my New Order discs except one, I'd probably keep Disc 1 of Substance; it's broad paint brush stroke over the band's career, but several of the songs are my favorite in the band's catalogue. When I've put together Top Ten Album lists, I include New Order's Brotherhood, but I always include Substance when compiling a "Desert Island Disc" collection or something like that. On the subject of U2: I noticed that I'm the only one here who put a U2 album in my Top Ten (The Unforgettable Fire), and I couldn't help wondering what most people on this list think of U2, whether you like them, hate them, or what. They're still one of my favorite bands. I've been listening to U2 since 1984 and, while I like some albums better than others, I can honestly say that they haven't released anything that I outright dislike. Even the bottom of the barrel albums (Rattle And Hum) have a handful of good tracks. Their latest DVD, the Slane Castle one, is quite impressive. I like listening to The Edge's guitar. The backlash against U2 is in full effect on several sites that I've visited, but I've never stopped enjoying their music. I'd be interested to hear what fellow Wire fans think of U2. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:40:46 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: top ten albums/Substance/U2 - --With respect to Top Ten Album lists, is it cheating to list New Order's Substance? Compilation albums are legit, surely? I like the Lonely as an Eyesore one which features Dead can Dance, etc. The Pixies B-sides is a better compilation than most bands can ever muster as a 'proper' record... - --On the subject of U2: I think they've done some great tracks but I haven't dug an album out for years, which must say something about my view on them I suppose (sounds like damning with faint praise). I think people are either fans or just aren't that bothered, to be honest, though I'm sure you'll get some 'haters' posting stuff too! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:40:56 +0000 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] John McGeoch RIP thanks to Keith for posting that stuff...i'm still slightly haunted by Mr. McGeogh's passing... here's more from another list... While rooting around in a box, I found a program for the Juju tour 1981. Here's What Mr. McGeoch had to say for himself: John McGeoch Established: 1955. Born: Greenock, the first time around. Looking forward to the next time. - - First played guitar: 12 years old. Double breasted "Monkees" shirts look better behind a guitar than a piano, on which I was trained to sit down and play. - - First song I learned to play on guitar: "Sunshine Of Your Love" by Cream. Jimi Hendrix liked it too. - - First time I became concerned about clothes: 1967. - - Other important discovery around about the same time: Women. This appears to have tied in with shirts and trousers and has influenced me ever since. - - Moved to London: 1971 - -Height: 5 foot 6 inches - -First Band: The Slugband - Second Band: Magazine - -Third Band: Souxie and The Banshees - -A fruitful hobby: Visage - -Most rewarding influence: The amount that Souxsie, Steven and Budgie take me seriously. - -Feelings over leaving Magazine: Sad, inevitable, no regrets, some bruises. - -Feelings on joining the Banshees: The hardest work I've ever had to do. Good juju. If it's too easy it's not good, if it's too hard it's dull. When you're hungry you want to eat, and I have an appetite for sticky buns. - -Personal statement: Like anyone who's had enough, I want more. Suspicions: Someone once told me that murder victims conspire with their killers. While I don't feel like a willing victim, I suspect that my fear of death will probably kill me. - -Hopes: That it won't be my fault when I die. - -Loves: Jan, the people I work with, millions of pounds in swiss bank accounts. - - Hates: Traffic Jams, Jamming, Apricot Jam. >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: >Subject: [idealcopy] John McGeoch RIP >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:42:59 -0000 > >Thought some folks here might want to read these words from Budgie on = >the Creatures website. > > > >Some words for John.. >11.03.04 > >Prior to leaving for London last Thursday, Siouxsie & I had been talking = >about inviting John McGeoch to guest with us on stage. We hadn't spoken = >in ages but we had a mutual acquaintance whom I was going to get in = >touch with. I'd even had a daydream about us playing a version of 'The = >Light Pours Out Of Me' or 'Shot By Both Sides', actually just thinking = >of those guitar riffs brings a lump to my throat. It wasn't until we = >arrived back home last night that we knew for sure that it would indeed = >remain a dream. John was gone.=20 >Without any disrespect to all the other guitarists we have worked with, = >none had the relaxed mastery and such a depth of expression as John = >McGeoch. No amount of scrutiny of filmed 'Live' performance tapes could = >reveal the subtle economy of technique that made an apparently complex = >phrase look so deceptively simple. Exasperated guitarists would often = >comment, "But his hands don't even move!"=20 >His signature style was what made the intros to songs like 'Spellbound' = >and 'Happy House' so unique, the guitar break in 'Israel' swing & the = >feedback in 'Night Shift' scream.=20 >I remember in pre-show soundchecks John would move around the stage = >locating the 'harmonic sweet spots' which he would employ like a = >magician, literally conjuring sounds out of thin air. I also remember = >him entertaining the road crew we shared with Motorhead with a manic = >rendition of 'The Ace of Spades' or a note & tone perfect version of = >Hendrix's 'Little Wing'.=20 >On a recent trawl of the web looking for clues, I came across an = >interview with the 'Chilli Pepper's' John Frusciante, who cited John as = >one of the guitarists he'd studied religiously, I think 'The Edge' & = >many other guitarists were listening too.=20 >John was also an entertainer and a charming gentleman, his smile was = >sincere and his voice which I can still hear, had a gentle Scottish lilt = >which would make the adjective 'apparent', sound like the noun for a = >mother or father.=20 >Sometimes the mild mannered Scot from Greenock could get a bit = >Glaswegian. When playing as 'Janet & the Icebergs' in 1980, John was = >about to show some baiting idiot in the crowd a bit of Scottish = >etiquette but not before first retiring stage left to change out of his = >soft shoes. Much to our relief the coward made a hasty exit while John = >put his boots on. Of course we teased him endlessly for being on stage = >in his 'Slippers' in the first place!=20 >It was nice to see John in a recent documentary, remember his time with = >the band so fondly but also heartbreaking to hear him recount the events = >leading up to his departure so acutely. We can all be grateful that he = >agreed to add his part to the band's recent biography with the = >intelligence and dignity that were always his most outstanding = >characteristics.=20 >I'm honoured to have shared some special moments with John McGeoch and I = >will always love & remember him as a warm & caring friend.=20 >Budgie, March 10th., 2004=20 > >..to paraphrase Siouxsie from 2003's biography;=20 > >"My abiding memories of John are good ones. He was always fair and would = >discuss things with me. He was easily, without a shadow of a doubt, the = >most creative guitarist we ever had."=20 > >Our thoughts & sympathy to his family.=20 > > > http://www.thecreatures.com/creatures/ > >[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream >which had a name of t h e c r e a t u r e s.url] _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:06:30 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] 10 years Swim event On Friday 16th April 2004, Colin Newman and Malka Spigel's Swim label will be celebrating 10 years of erratic, cross-genre excellence with a live event at London's ICA (on the Mall). The event will feature live performances from label stalwarts Lobe, Symptoms, Rhodes and Silo interspersed with video intermissions from Akatombo, Beatkitten, Immersion and Sxren Dahlgaard as well as in-bar ambience courtesy of dol-lop & DJ Morpheus. The night will also be the live debut of Githead, Colin and Malka's new band with Robin Rimbaud (Scanner). Neubauten on the 1 st in Amsterdam and Wire on the last in Scotland April is the coolest month, breeding lilacs out of the dead land. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:44:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Get Ready for Movement (formerly top ten albums) > >>Well I definitely prefer his more minimalist style, though the > Steven-goes-crazy drumming on the Peel version of LoveWill Tear Us Apart > does have a certain novelty value!<< That's the "proper" drumming. It was always played like that live. On the record Hannett made SM play without the fills because he was using a digital delay effect on the drums. See also Transmission (compare & contrast Something Else version with single) > >>Joking apart, I think the guy's a genius.<< Morris or Hannett? > >>Mark, if you're reading this - as a big JD fan, do you like Get Ready at > all > then (marks out of ten!!), and if not - why (bloody) not?<< > It starts pretty well - first four tracks are really good. Then it goes off > the boil horribly, bottoming out with the truly dismal Rock the shack, > possibly the worst ever NO song. That mawkish last track is pretty grim too. > > 5/10 (there's your on topic bit!) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Jason asked noticed that I'm the only one here who put a U2 album in my Top Ten (The Unforgettable Fire), and I couldn't help wondering what most people on this list think of U2, whether you like them, hate them, or what. They're still one of my favorite bands. I've been listening to U2 since 1984 >I still like their music Jason,though were I to be forced to write a 'favorite band's' list they wouldn't be on it today. Also got into their music in '84,what a long time ago that is...................are our friends from outside the U.S aware of the stink Bono caused -and the aftermath of his saying the F word when accepting an award here recently which was televised?????? Ari< Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:57:09 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] 10 years Swim event - ----April is the coolest month, breeding lilacs out of the dead land. Wow - inspirational poetry. Is there no end to ICers' talents? ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:06:33 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Jason asked I have no problem with U2 and own most of their stuff. My preference does go to their earlier work (mostly on the merit of their youthful passion) but I've rather enjoyed nearly everything they've released. Hell, I even liked a few of the tracks on Pop. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Britt Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:57 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Jason asked noticed that I'm the only one here who put a U2 album in my Top Ten (The Unforgettable Fire), and I couldn't help wondering what most people on this list think of U2, whether you like them, hate them, or what. They're still one of my favorite bands. I've been listening to U2 since 1984 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:53:05 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 RL > > sure you can! whattsamatta with you Keith? goin' soft? > BVD > Seen the Angels once here in Groningen and wasn't that impressed. > They played like a light version of the Bunnymen. Oh alright. Seeing as I've had permission ; ) Saw them once, too - supporting the Banshees. I wasn't impressed either. Just remember drummer was like Animal out of the Muppets, but not as good. Ultimtately, I think they're to Joy Division what Freddie & the Dreamers were to The Beatles. Will that do ya, Robert ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:14:15 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] grauniad goofs > but thankfully somebody on that paper knows their stuff and they ran a 2=page > interview with kevin shields , allegedly his first for 12 years. and , > rocketing back on subject , they actually name checked WMO for the "whore" > contribution (is that a first , kevin?) > > p there's obviously a few MBV fans here as I seem to recall Loveless getting a few top 10 mentions (it *just* missed mine), so for those who haven't seen it, here's the link... http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1167043,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:20:11 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #76 > now, it happen with norwegian band MIDNIGHT CHOIR > and their last album for S2/Glitterhouse " Waiting For A Bricks > To Fall " . I was KO!!!!! > produced by Chris Eckman ( The Walkabouts ) and engineered > by Phil Brown who works with Talk Talk and rumoured from very > close sourced to THE MAN that he will work with Scott Walker > in his 4AD adventure. Also, Tim Friese-Green was there... and > Lee Harris.. > all in all, GREAT album for all who was into Cave, Walker and > for last stage of Talk Talk ( cover of Motherless Child sound like > it wass lifted from Laughing Stock..). And of Tindesrticks.. Talk Talk, Scott Walker, Nick Cave, Tindersticks. This sounds right up my street. Will make a note of this one, thanks (takk!) Keith np New Order - Rock the Shack!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:19:25 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan Thanks to Keith for flagging Lydon's appearance on Jonathan Ross. Ross being Ross, it was the usual lightweight stuff, but Johnny was a good laugh, always worth watching I reckon. The man is a latterday Wilfred Bramble. Instead of shouting "'arold !!" he'd be shouting "Jordan !!" "IT don't contribute" etc. I think Steve Jones would probably make a good Harry H Corbett. Apologies to our US listees - Bramble and Corbett were the main actors in an English 70s comedy "Steptoe & Son", about a pair of rag and bone men. Johnny's an absolute deadringer for Steptoe I reckon. Fergus np - Illusion Of Safety: Distraction __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:25:14 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan In a message dated 3/15/04 11:21:02 AM Central Standard Time, lockupyourhats@yahoo.com writes: > Apologies to our US listees - Bramble and Corbett were > the main actors in an English 70s comedy "Steptoe & > Son", about a pair of rag and bone men. Johnny's an > absolute deadringer for Steptoe I reckon. > > Fergus Steptoe and Son was Sanford and Son here in the USA....a poor black father (Red Foxx...from my hometown of St. Louis) and his son who own a junk yard in Los Angeles...i remember the opening credits saying that the show was based on the book "Steptoe & Son" RL np - Klaus Schulze "Audentity" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:35:33 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #76 > Talk Talk, Scott Walker, Nick Cave, Tindersticks. > This sounds right up my street. Will make a note of this one, thanks (takk!) Just played Saint Nick's Stranger Than Kindness 6 times at top volume on my way home from work. I really get lost in that song! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:44:06 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jason asked Though not my very faves I've always liked and respected U2. Every era had it's charm, but it wasn't untill Achtung Baby they really hit a nerve with me. Good album and the only one of theirs I (want to) own. Bart > I have no problem with U2 and own most of their stuff. My preference > does go to their earlier work (mostly on the merit of their youthful > passion) but I've rather enjoyed nearly everything they've released. > Hell, I even liked a few of the tracks on Pop. > noticed that I'm the only one here who put a U2 album in my Top Ten > (The Unforgettable Fire), and I couldn't help wondering what most > people on > this list think of U2, whether you like them, hate them, or what. > They're > still one of my favorite bands. I've been listening to U2 since 1984 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:48:15 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan Fergus Kelly wrote: Thanks to Keith for flagging Lydon's appearance on Jonathan Ross. Ross being Ross, it was the usual lightweight stuff, but Johnny was a good laugh, always worth watching I reckon Yeah, that goes for me, too. As you say, Ross was his usual un-taxing self, but J.L. was pretty much on form. Good call, Keith. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:53:42 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan >> Bramble and Corbett were the main actors in >> an English 70s comedy "Steptoe & Son" > Steptoe and Son was Sanford and Son here in the USA.... Shut up dummy... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:59:02 -0700 From: "Matt Hursh" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Jason asked I think 'Boy' has to be on that 'Pink Flag'-ish shortlist of "Greatest Debut Records of All Time". Outside of most of 'Rattle and Hum', about half of 'Pop', and most of 'All That You Can't Leave Behind', I've liked (or REALLY liked) everything. Achtung Baby is one of my tops of the 90s...and Zooropa is underrated. Can't really believe anything Bono says in regards to their music, but I'm looking forward to the new record. Steve Lillywhite is back producing, and I'm hoping for some real rock that was promised and not quite delivered on the last one. Since the last studio record, both Strummer and J. Ramone have passed...maybe they'll punk it up for their heroes a bit. Edge is capable. >>> "Jack Alberson" 3/15/04 8:06:33 AM >>> I have no problem with U2 and own most of their stuff. My preference does go to their earlier work (mostly on the merit of their youthful passion) but I've rather enjoyed nearly everything they've released. Hell, I even liked a few of the tracks on Pop. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Britt Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:57 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Jason asked noticed that I'm the only one here who put a U2 album in my Top Ten (The Unforgettable Fire), and I couldn't help wondering what most people on this list think of U2, whether you like them, hate them, or what. They're still one of my favorite bands. I've been listening to U2 since 1984 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:12:00 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] grauniad goofs/ My Bloody Valentine &"Loveless" Keith Astbury wrote: > but thankfully somebody on that paper knows their stuff and they ran a 2 page interview with kevin shields there's obviously a few MBV fans here as I seem to recall Loveless getting a few top 10 mentions (it *just* missed mine), //// Don't yet know if it'll make mine: y'see it passed me by for years: *I* didn't own it, and no-one I knew had it, so I never, *ever* got to hear it, but was sufficiently intrigued by the number of times it appeared in the top 10's that you guys drew up that i resolved if I ever saw it at a 1/2 way decent price, I'd take a punt and snap it up. On Saturday, bingo! There it sat in the racks for a mere 6 UKP. (Actually, it *wasn't* that much of a risk as I already had "Isn't Anything.." and was pretty fond of that) So far, all I can say, after 3 and a half plays through, is there's some real good material on there *but*........ I think it's struggling to break through the mix. Things that *should* be well audible are just about buried in the mix. Again, I shouldn't be *too* surprised at this, as I think "Isn't Anything" has the same "flaw":- good material, great washes of sound, but each element struggling to make itself heard in the din......or is this 'wall of sound' effect what Kevin was after? Before anyone flames me for having a go at a disk that pretty clearly, a lot of you *really* like, I'd like to say in my defense that so far I've not put the album on my home stereo, I've been listening to it on the move on my Discman: perhaps when some speakers are actually moving some air about, the sound will resolve itself, and the detail that I can't discern at the moment will be revealed..... I can tell there's some great stuff in there *somewhere*..;-) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:14:00 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan In a message dated 3/15/04 12:03:49 PM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Shut up dummy... > > Bart back at ya you ol' fish-eyed fool Aunt Esther np - Ash Ra Tempel - Schwingungen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:16:24 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jason asked In a message dated 3/15/04 12:03:50 PM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Though not my very faves I've always liked and respected U2. > Every era had it's charm, but it wasn't untill Achtung Baby > they really hit a nerve with me. Good album and the only one > of theirs I (want to) own. > > Bart > sigh...i despise everything after The Unforgettable Fire (even though the Joshua Tree had it's moments) ....the first 4 albums are great...."I Threw a Brick" being one of my favorites ....i think of that song everytime i read an old Krazy Kat/Ignatz Mouse comic strip RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:24:13 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jason asked Bart van Damme wrote: Though not my very faves I've always liked and respected U2. Bart > I have no problem with U2 and own most of their stuff. My preference > does go to their earlier work (mostly on the merit of their youthful > passion) > noticed that I'm the only one here who put a U2 album in my Top Ten > (The Unforgettable Fire), and I couldn't help wondering what most > people on > this list think of U2, whether you like them, hate them, or what. jason //// It varies:- although I wouldn't actually leave the room if someone put something by them on the jukebox'. The only stuff I've got by them is "Boy" and "October" and I also kinda wish I had "Under a blood Red Sky", as it'd bring back pleasant memories of the only time I ever saw them.(Jan or Feb 1982, at Lancaster University, sandwiched between The Bunnymen & The Teardrop Explodes, IIRC): I guess you could say my own preference is also for their "youthfully exuberant" earlier stuff , although I thought "The Fly" was pretty neat, too..... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:16:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] tonight on R6 , 10.00 Monday 15 March One Dove Electric Soft Parade Pixies David Bowie ////no idea what pixies gig this will be , but presumably you'll get half an hour or so (the headliner , bowie , usually gets an hour) p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:26:56 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan > Thanks to Keith for flagging Lydon's appearance on > Jonathan Ross. Ross being Ross, it was the usual > lightweight stuff, but Johnny was a good laugh, always > worth watching I reckon > > Yeah, that goes for me, too. As you say, Ross was his usual un-taxing self, but J.L. was pretty much on form. Good call, Keith. No prob. Shamed I missed it myself! (I was out and forget to set timer) As for U2 - well in a nutshell.... I liked some of the early singles (esp I Will Follow). Bought October - wasn't keen. Dull mix IMO. Liked more singles (NY Day & Pride, even though the local drunken dickheads, punching the air and singing the latter on the local dancefloors, almost put me off it). *Hated* Sunday Bloody Sunday with a passion (it just made me wanna holler "put that fucking flag down you nerd!" to be honest) Was absolutely gobsmacked by the Joshua singles as I thought me and U2 had parted ways (and liked the LP too). Lost interest when they did all that Rattle & Hum business (U2 and old blues singers didn't ring true - Marc Almond seemed much more honest when he brought Gene Pitney back from obscurity if you ask me)... I bought the Achtung / Zooropa albums when they gained a sense of irony, but again it was basically the singles I liked. Admired the fact that they seemd to be doing it for themselves and not just trying to please the fans. Since then...well funnily enough I've bought the odd 45. Given up on their albums I think. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:24:51 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] OT: There's a Robert Smith interveiw in....... This month's "Total Guitar", which some of you might enjoy........ http://www.totalguitar.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7624&type=ART dw Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:49:23 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 Talking about the drummer in Comsat Angels? Eiliv - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "wire-news" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 > RL > > > sure you can! whattsamatta with you Keith? goin' soft? > > > BVD > > Seen the Angels once here in Groningen and wasn't that impressed. > > They played like a light version of the Bunnymen. > > Oh alright. Seeing as I've had permission ; ) > > Saw them once, too - supporting the Banshees. > > I wasn't impressed either. Just remember drummer was like Animal out of the > Muppets, but not as good. > > Ultimtately, I think they're to Joy Division what Freddie & the Dreamers > were to The Beatles. > > Will that do ya, Robert ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny & Jonathan Bart van Damme wrote: >> Bramble and Corbett were the main actors in >> an English 70s comedy "Steptoe & Son" > Steptoe and Son was Sanford and Son here in the USA.... Shut up dummy... Bart ah,but steptoe was SO much better..................'you DIRTY old man' Ari Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:15:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: There's a Robert Smith interveiw in....... Thankyou thankyou thankyou...........Ari Derek White wrote:This month's "Total Guitar", which some of you might enjoy........ http://www.totalguitar.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7624&type=ART dw Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:01:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] did anyone hear............ 'The Ukrainians' on tonights NPR's 'all things considered' (at the end of the hour) ? worth catching :it'll be repeated at the end of each hour 'till 6.00p.m EST...(at least here on the eastern seaboard).Ari Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > MOVEMENT with C&W > > Isn't that what Love Vigilantes is ; ) Boy, that is very clever retort... I had to translate C&W to the US meaning first ;) - -fernando __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:37:59 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] The Ukranians Pt.1.2 go to http://www.npr.org/ scroll down,under music on the left-hand side,click on Istoryia..........Ari Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:47:50 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums C&W...wossat? Ari fernando wrote:--- Keith Astbury wrote: > > MOVEMENT with C&W > > Isn't that what Love Vigilantes is ; ) Boy, that is very clever retort... I had to translate C&W to the US meaning first ;) - -fernando __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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