From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #78 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 12 2004 Volume 07 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Re: Non-Wire Top 10....errr 40 [Adrian Cooke ] [idealcopy] Broadcast News, Stereolab Views ["Garry P" ] Re: [idealcopy] pulp ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Bowie Ebay Again.. [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 ["Tim ****" ] RE: [idealcopy] WIRE ["anastasia" ] Re: [idealcopy] Movement (formerly top ten albums) [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Top ten albums ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Non-Wire Top 10....errr 40 [P J Kane ] Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] s*bscribe idealcopy [Derek White ] Re: [idealcopy] speaing obliquely of john mcgeogh ... [PaulRabjohn@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums [fernando ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:35:13 -0000 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Non-Wire Top 10....errr 40 My Favourite? That's interesting. I tried to do something with them a couple of years ago when I worked in UK distribution, but to no avail. Where did you pick up on them Michael? Adrian - -----Original Message----- From: Rain19c@aol.com [mailto:Rain19c@aol.com] Sent: 12 March 2004 09:03 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Non-Wire Top 10....errr 40 Well, with all the posts of top 10s, I thought I would throw in my unranked favorite albums at the moment (and only this moment). I've been meaning to make a list like this for ever, so forgive the indulgence of listing 40 albums here :) Mansun - Six Sly and the Family Stone - There's a Riot Goin' On Stereolab - Switched On King Tubby - Dub Gone Crazy Wire - 154 My Favorite - Love at Absolute Zero My Favorite - The Happiest Days of our Lives New Order - Technique Miles Davis - In a Silent Way The Fall - Slates Michael Mayer - Immer My Bloody Valentine - Loveless Mates of State - Team Boo Neu! - Neu! 75 Larry Levan - Paradise Garage (West End Mixes) Helium - The Dirt of Luck Serge Gainsbourg - Comic Stip Claude Debussy - Complete Piano Works Vol 1 & 2 Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 The Call of Frogs and Toads (not taking the piss here) Kaija Saariaho - Six Japanese Gardens Antonio Carlos Jobim - The Man from Ipanema Raymond Scott - Manhatten Research, Inc OHM - The Early Gurus of Electronic Music Scott Walker - 4 Sleater Kinney - Dig Me Out Supersilent - 6 Mirah - Adivsory Committee Stina Nordenstam - And She Closed Her Eyes Babybird - Bad Shave Brigitte Fontaine - Brigitte Fontaine Talk Talk - Spirit of Eden Kim Fowley - Outlaw Superman Arthur Russell - Calling Out of Context (obviously a new addition!) Cat Power - Moon Pix Drum Chant and Instrumental Music from West Africa (Nonesuch) Court Gamelan Vol. 2 (Nonesuch) Can - Tago Mago Can - Future Days Warp 10+1 - The Influences There, now you have me distilled to my essence! I should really write this down for future reference.... ~Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:40:39 -0000 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: Cure Apparently 'Seventeen Seconds was inspired by Nick Drake's 'Pink Moon'. - -----Original Message----- From: Jason Rogers [mailto:inspectorjason@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 March 2004 23:55 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Cure >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:22:42 +0000 >From: "kenny sanderson" >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] the cure was Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, >2004 > >I actually prefer "Seventeen Seconds"....a truely beautiful >record....many teenage nights were spent with that one..."In your House" >never fails to send shivers down my spine... Seventeen Seconds is my second favorite Cure album behind Disintegration (which happens to be my favorite album of all time). For the past fifteen years since I bought it, though, Seventeen Seconds seems to just get better with each listen; this is perhaps because it is the most minimalist Cure album and a far cry from the gloriously overblown later stuff that I have always enjoyed over the years. "A Forest" is my favorite Cure song, but "In Your House", "Seventeen Seconds", "M", "At Night", "Play For Today", and "Secrets" are class act songs as well. Also, I've always preferred Faith to Pornography. I'm in the minority of Cure fans here, but I've always felt that Faith was a much stronger album. "All Cats Are Grey" is one of The Cure's high points, I think. > >I was thinking of investing in the recent box set...just to get all those >b-sides from the cassette version of "standing on a beach" again, ...but >the rest of it looks pretty bad..3 versions of "hello, i love you".. no >thanks.... > The Cure's B-sides box set is one of the most worthwhile purchases that I've made in years. The first two discs are the obvious highlights and pretty much make the price worth it just for the 1978 through 1987 material, but I have a higher opinion of The Cure's more recent B-sides than most of the critics do. The box set features a previously-unreleased Bloodflowers outtake called, "Possession", which has some nice Peter Hook-style bass lines and sounds a bit more upbeat than the material that was included on the album. One of the three versions of "Hello, I Love You" is 13 seconds long, so the lineup of these is not as droning as one might think. The box set is not flawless, of course, and has its share of crap ("Young Americans" cover, the Judge Dredd song, etc.), but the songs that hit the mark really do hit the mark. As a bonus, you can take the tracks of "Let's Go To Bed", "The Walk", and "The Lovecats" from the recent Cure - Greatest Hits, combine them with the respective B-sides from Disc 1 of the box set, and compile a nicely remastered loud version of Japanese Whispers on your own. That was one of the first things that I did after I bought the box set. Jason Now Playing: Killing Joke - Laugh? I Nearly Bought One! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:50:48 -0000 From: "Garry P" Subject: [idealcopy] Broadcast News, Stereolab Views Miles, on the Broadcast front - you asked: "However, the only comparison anyone ever offers is Stereolab, and I never warmed to them. I'm all in favor of their Velvetsy Krautrockin' drones, but the lounge half of the equation is, to me, like biting into something that tastes bad. Given the facts as stated, would I like an entire Broadcast album?" My advice, for what it's worth, is definitely to give Broadcast a go. 'Ha Ha Sound' is the one to go for, a lot better than their first album, I think. They don't do the Velvetsy Kraut thing, but they don't do the lounge thing either (& I know what you mean with the 'Labs, they sometimes teeter into annoyance on that score for me too). But the Broadcast voice is pure, good, natural and unaffected. In fact a bit like the woman who used to vocalise for His Name is Alive when they were good. Btw, I wonder if you like Stereolab's early 'Transient Random Noise-Bursts...etc' - at that point they were still trying to be Neu! so the lounge factor is low. Though my fave Labs record is 'Cobra & Phases...' which could be open to charges, lounge-wise. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:14:35 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pulp > >(played Pulp's This is Hardcore before - god, I'd forgotten just how good > it > >is!!) > Dan... > whereas i never found it so. am extremely fond, however, of separations, > his'n'hers, different class & we love life ... You definitely need to go back to this, Dan. I think it's their masterpiece. Much darker than their other stuff. Incidentally I noticed you gave Adventure a mention in yer faves, but not - unless I missed it - Marquee Moon? Keith NP Broadcast - haha sound (Before We Begin in fact. Hmmmm. This track is so delicious. You need this, Miles!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 04:28:37 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pulp >> >(played Pulp's This is Hardcore before - god, I'd forgotten just how good >> it >> >is!!) >> >Dan... >> whereas i never found it so. am extremely fond, however, of separations, >> his'n'hers, different class & we love life ... > >You definitely need to go back to this, Dan. I think it's their masterpiece. >Much darker than their other stuff. > >Incidentally I noticed you gave Adventure a mention in yer faves, but not - >unless I missed it - Marquee Moon? > >Keith nope. contrarily enough, i've always vastly preferred adventure. maybe it's my pop sweet tooth ... i just don't find anything on marquee to compare as verse-chorus-verse *songs* to ain't that nothin', careful, etc. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:29:04 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums > > You like PCL more than Lowlife ("New Order's Closer"!) > > > > Blimey!! > > > > You've surprised me.<< > > > > I like Movement & Brotherhood more than Lowlife. Not that there's much wrong > > with Lowlife, but Closer it ain't. I've not played the early NO LP's in a long time, but as much as I liked (most of) PCL, Lowlife always seemed the realisation of their potential to me. As you say, a properly produced Movement would have been something. Actually I prefer the last one that everyone slagged off to Movement, but then that's probably just me ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:31:51 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Ipod Vs Discman My girlfriend has a Sony mini-disc player like Ari's which she bought for an incredible 25gbp from a school lost property department (some kid obviously didn't want it back very badly)! The track selection and start seem very slow to me compared to a portable CD player. New Sony ones are 40gbp here and are much better than the old Philips one I paid about 70gbp for only to have it pack up after 18 months. Only the other day I dropped my Sony one from some height - again... The disc was dislodged from the spindle but it then played fine. The Philips was never dropped). The mini-disc is less bulky and does win if you want to record concerts, though I've never had the nerve to borrow the girlfriend's for this yet! I can't see why people would pay so much more for an iPod myself apart from it being a fashion thing. So you can get 10,000 tracks on one... Wow. When they are 50gbp I'd be tempted but for sheer space saving on the move I'm more likely to (eventually) buy a phone with a built-in camera and MP3 player. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 02:33:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE anastasia wrote: Hi, Before I send a reply to all the lovely welcomes I've received... (fluttering eyelashes) I wonder where Wire is? Are they back in the UK does anyone know definitely? > As I have some info.< well that's a 'teease' if ever there was one,waddya know Anastasia,share,share............or I'll go buy a comsat angels c.d.Ari (and please flutter your eyelashes again) anastasia Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:48:43 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bowie Ebay Again.. > He's at it again! > 10 bids! It's at #4.05! The guy's a genius. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:52:41 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 > The Lines - Ultramarine > Ah, a Lines fan. Don't think the albums are as good as the singles personally, but certainly file under "lost bands". And quite a surprise to find them in someone's all-time top 10... Special anorak prize for the first person who knows the achingly tenuous link between The Lines and Wire... Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:59:16 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 > Special anorak prize for the first person who knows the achingly tenuous link > between The Lines and Wire... Ah. You've done this one before, Mark. You had me checking my 7" White Night. And I still don't know! The engineer worked on ABIAC under a different name. Or something like that. Keith Np Kylie - Slow (the perfect Pre>He antodote!! No Kylie albums in my collection, Miles, but a 'healthy' selection of singles!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:11:00 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums > Actually I prefer the last one that everyone slagged off to Movement, but > then that's probably just me ; ) > That's just you! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:14:24 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 > The engineer worked on ABIAC under a different name. Or something like > that. > Close, but no cigar ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:30:58 +0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: top ten albums Hello, Go on, then. I rather like the idea that the diversity of this list might well mean that if someone compiled the results, there'd just be a vast number of albums with one vote, all equal first. Here's mine, anyway, which would've included "Chairs Missing" in any other context and is quite likely to change by tomorrow. In no particular order... Codeine - The White Birch Aesop Rock - Labour Days Bardots - V-Neck Massive Attack - Blue Lines Galaxie 500 - On Fire Souls of Mischief - 93 Til Infinity Talk Talk - Laughing Stock Sepultura - Roots Mobb Deep - The Infamous Renegade Soundwave - Soundclash Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:41:17 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 A Guess... One of The Lines didn't go on to be in Ear Trumpet? Someone needs collate all The Lines material & Peel Sessions onto a Cd! Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: MarkBursa@aol.com To: keith.indoorminer@virgin.net, idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:14:24 EST > The engineer worked on ABIAC under a different name. Or something like > that. > Close, but no cigar ;-) Mark _________________________________________________________________ Personalise your phone with chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:55:51 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: top ten albums On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 01:30:58PM +0000, Ian Grant wrote: > number of albums with one vote, all equal first. Here's mine, anyway, > which would've included "Chairs Missing" in any other context and is quite > likely to change by tomorrow. In no particular order... Part of the reason I hadn't posted mine, which included a couple of bands likely to get one lynched around these parts :) - and it would change by tomorrow, too. However, I'm vaguely surprised to be the only person, so far, to have thought of mentioning DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing..." - - Andrew - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:03:29 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Movement (formerly top ten albums) My opinion differs on this one. I think Movement is perfectly produced (even if it gets a lot of stick for being 'Joy Division lite') while Lowlife is good but in dire need of remastering. Also, I think Barney's singing on it is pretty bad myself and I suspect he felt that way too--on Brotherhood his singing style has almost changed, to the way he still sings today. Of course, it's just my opinion. I will say I rather liked Get Ready, too. :) Jack - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:29 AM To: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums I've not played the early NO LP's in a long time, but as much as I liked (most of) PCL, Lowlife always seemed the realisation of their potential to me. As you say, a properly produced Movement would have been something. Actually I prefer the last one that everyone slagged off to Movement, but then that's probably just me ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:06:08 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: top ten albums I'm wondering why I didn't think of Endtroducing, myself. Phooey! I think my criteria was which ten albums had made the most impression on me in my lifetime--which ones did I have a personal connection with, you know? Jack - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Walkingshaw Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:56 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: top ten albums Part of the reason I hadn't posted mine, which included a couple of bands likely to get one lynched around these parts :) - and it would change by tomorrow, too. However, I'm vaguely surprised to be the only person, so far, to have thought of mentioning DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing..." - - Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:11:32 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: top ten albums On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 08:06:08AM -0600, Jack Alberson wrote: > I'm wondering why I didn't think of Endtroducing, myself. Phooey! I > think my criteria was which ten albums had made the most impression on > me in my lifetime--which ones did I have a personal connection with, you > know? Exactly. I remember lying in bed listening to a borrowed copy of Endtroducing for the first time, in that half-asleep state where the real and dream words are merging into each other, and hearing the "transmissions from the future"... I must have been 16 or 17. It's a majestic record, and as good as the Private Press is, it's never had - couldn't have, really - anything like the same impact on me. - - Andrew - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:42:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 A Guess... One of The Lines didn't go on to be in Ear Trumpet? No cigar at all for that one ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:45:46 +1100 From: "anastasia" Subject: [idealcopy] A few letters in one... I feel spoilt, you have really made me feel welcome, thank you. How interesting that there aren't many gals here. I feel like a Queen sitting in her throne, you fanning me with palm leaves, another feeding me grapes, while my feet are being massaged. Oops!!!! sorry I forgot where I was for a moment. Just day dreaming out loud. hehe Why wouldn't I like it here with all you men, hey a girl likes to be pampered and pleased you know. ;-) I guess it's not uncommon for me to be surrounded by guys, the majority of mail-lists I am on are male dominated but that's ok they treat me like a sister. I can take anything you dish out, so no need to be careful around me, well you know what I mean I can dish it out too. What is the point if you have to watch what you say around me? I don't want to ruin your fun. I'll be honest though I don't like swearing. I have always been alone in my music taste so I like to think I'm one of the boys. Keith Astbury, if you are moved to want to bag the Comsat Angels, then do so but you aren't making any friends, you do know that don't you? Hehehe I can see you all have a sense of humour as I do so we are going to get along really well. I know that I will enjoy getting to know you. I am sorry I can't be brief and to the point but this in the Anastasia way. I have to say I really liked the iPOD story although I agree with Aaron M, that it's a hoax. I can certainly understand that happening. From: Jan Mannekens Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] IC list members sound remastering experience Jan asked about remastering programs.. I do have a copy of 'Cool Edit' but I haven't attempted to use it as yet. Others have mentioned 'Sound Forge 6.0' and 'Magix Audio Cleaning Lab Deluxe' apparently inexpensive at 29 uk pounds. (see I am not just a pretty face) "Keith Knight" steeleknight@lineone.net said, "Which leads me to ask the question - some people here presumably have an iPod: how is it for you? I come at this as someone who has never even used a Walkman or any other mobile listening device - something to do with needing to hear the noise of my surroundings. But the implications about the iPod is that it revolutionises the way one listens to music. Is this the case? Is it worth the cost? Would you recommend it? Keith, I am totally surprised to hear that you don't possess a walkman or anything... I can understand you wanting to hear your surrounding but you are a guy... I walk in the streets with a walkman and yes it can be dangerous for a woman but you don't have it too loud. I have a soundtrack for the day. I travel on public transport a lot so it's nice to escape that kind of background noise and those mobile phones going off every second. I am not sure on your situation but if you are single then maybe you don't need a walkman, then again I am single and I do have it for the reasons I have just give. When I grow up I want to get an iPod you can get them for a PC, apparently 7,000 songs fit on one Keith can you believe it? I am salivating at the thought. yeah they are out of my price range at the moment. You would use one of those for when you travel overseas you can take your whole record collections with you, so when someone next asks me what one thing I would take to a deserted Island well it would have to be the iPod. I am sure there is tons more I needed to reply too. Maybe it's not a good idea to get idealcopy in digest form. If there are any questions I've missed I apologise, please feel free to ask them again. I have checked some of the top ten you have mentioned and I have to say we kind of have the same taste. Someone mentioned a Killing Joke, I saw them last November, I meet them and we went partying with them after the show, they were a great bunch of guys and we were all havin a great time until something happened with Jaz, if you want the full story I can post it, we all got kicked out of a bar. It'll be something I will never forget. The week prior to this I saw Echo and The Bunnymen they were good too, but very unapproachable. Ian has an attitude. The Joke were better performers on stage. I have to say Graeme Lewis reminded me of Raven from a Killing Joke on stage. Regarding my convoluted questions about whether the band is in the UK or not I will post that in my next letter. Thanks again for your warm welcome. anastasia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:48:49 +1100 From: "anastasia" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] WIRE As I am on the digest thingo I am not sure whether anyone else has answered my question. Ari thanks for doing so and why not go and buy a Comsat Angels CD, I suggest 'Sleep No More' and or 'Fiction' for a beginner like you. Ok let me tell you this story. My older sister doesn't know the band Wire for a bar of soap, she has never heard of them period. After my exciting Sunday night with the band I showed her some pictures. Today she was at Melbourne airport while still in the cab she said she saw WIRE. I do not know if these men where WIRE. so that is why I asked if they were still here. Did they have any other gigs after Melbourne? Here is Mary's story. I hope she doesn't mind me posting her letter here and I apologise for the contents. I am not here to offend anyone. Mary said, The guy I saw was the older guy with the bald head in the photo with you (the one where you look drunk, but I know you're not). I noticed him because I remembered the photograph, but I can't remember whether he was with 2 or 3 other people. I noticed them also because I saw a big guitar case it was square and they were just going into the airport. I drove passed them and mentioned to the taxi driver that those guys were in a band and then by the time he pissfarted around with me I lost were they went. They would have had to check in as they had luggage and they had disappeared from view so am not sure where they went. My sister is talking about the drummer is that Mr Gotobed (which is what I should be doing as it's 1.44am) So do we know if they were still in Melbourne today being 12 March 2004, and yes she is right I wasn't drunk as I only drank water, I don't drink when I am out on my own, I am a responsible. If anyone can shed any light here well that would be great, Ari I apologise if I teeased you in anyway, do you accept my apology (fluttering eye lashes)? night anastasia - -----Original Message----- From: Ari Britt [mailto:threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 12 March 2004 9:33 PM To: comsat@ihug.com.au; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WIRE anastasia wrote: Hi, Before I send a reply to all the lovely welcomes I've received... (fluttering eyelashes) I wonder where Wire is? Are they back in the UK does anyone know definitely? > As I have some info.< well that's a 'teease' if ever there was one,waddya know Anastasia,share,share............or I'll go buy a comsat angels c.d.Ari (and please flutter your eyelashes again) anastasia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:54:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Movement (formerly top ten albums) > >>My opinion differs on this one. I think Movement is perfectly produced > (even if it gets a lot of stick for being 'Joy Division lite') << If you'd heard the songs live at the time you'd know what a hassh hannett made of it. All tricksy panning and delay effects over a sludgy production. Hookys bass sounds like it's being played through a transistor radio. >>while > Lowlife is good but in dire need of remastering.<< It's better. Brotherhood is the only one that vaguely sounds right to me. Republic is the worst. >> Also, I think Barney's > singing on it is pretty bad myself and I suspect > he felt that way > too--on Brotherhood his singing style has almost changed, to the way he > still sings today.<< What happened was Hooky & Barney discovered the concept of "key". They'd carried on writing music as if Ian was going to sing on it. Barney's voice has a higher register, so they needed to transpose the key. But being self-taught, untrained musicians they hadn't thought of that. Hence Barney mumbling along too low most of the time. Temptation (which was a sort of technology-driven accident) was the point at which they worked this out. If you see them play old JD songs now Barney uses a capo on the guitar to transpose the key, allowing him to sing it without straining. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:17:17 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Top ten albums Top 10 (not Wire-related) which will change, no doubt. Beatles - Sgt Pepper (sorry, I really do love most of it); Floyd - Dark side (see above. Wish you were here, first album in contention); Bowie - Heroes (yes, even the instrumentals); Pere Ubu - Dub Housing ...at last a few people are almost with me :-) The Fall - Dragnet; Beck - Mutations (Mellow Gold reminds me of Ubu a bit and I'm rather fond of most of his stuff. Sea Changes is surprisingly good once you've played it a few times); WAS Beach Boys - Pet Sounds, late change to Talking Heads - Fear of Music; Captain Beefheart - Lick my decals off (anyone who can get me a CD copy at a reasonable price should email me offlist, please!); Elvis Costello - This Year's Model (very little duff stuff in his output, apart from the collaborations, IMHO); PiL - Metal Box/Second Edition (not yet on CD) Recent plays: Elbow - Cast of Thousands; Pixies - Bossanova; Bowie - Ziggy; Send; 154; Chairs Missing; Pink Flag live at Barbican (bootleg); Kraftwerk - TEE, Man Machine. Not yet on CD: This Heat - Deceit; Milhaud - Creation du Monde (1962, Munch conducts Boston Symphony Orchestra - I was reared on this, Sgt Pepper, Revolver, Aftermath, etc). Bought but not yet played: Blur - Think Tank; Elbow - First CD. Not yet mentioned: Led Zepp 1-4, How the West was Won (well, the best bits), live DVD set; Stranglers - Black and White (still good after having from day of release); Who's Next... I could go on but I'll go home instead! Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:39:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] PLEEEEEEAAAASE!!!!!!!!!! all this talk of top tens got me thinking of mine...i can't do it...it's too difficult... but one record that always comes to mind is the ORIGINAL un-remixed version of "The Affectionate Punch" by The Associates... PLEEEEASE DEAR GOD LORD IN HEAVEN WILL SOMEONE RELEASE THIS ON CD SOMETIME WHILE I AM STILL ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????? ahh...getting that off my chest felt much better...thanks for listening RL np - THE THE "Soul Mining" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:37:41 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Top ten albums > This Heat - Deceit Damn. there's one I missed. That would be in my top 20. Too difficult. My head hurts! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:35:43 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] John McGeoch RIP...so this is real life? There's a short John McGeoch obit in todays Times. I played Real Life again this morning. It really is a superb album, isn't it. Some higlights - the fab opening Definitive Gaze with it's hugely influential (I reckon) synth opening, the new wave Virginia Plain that is My Tulpa, the bastardised blues gtr solo c/o of JM on Burst, and Howie drawling on about a bloody Motorcade as if someone's just stuck a knife in his chest. And then, of course, there's Shot By Both Sides (though admittedly it's inferior to the single version) and, best of all, the unadulterated glitterstomp that is The Light Pours Out Of Me. Quite possibly my fave non-Bolan track. EVER! Keith np Send... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:58:44 -0000 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Gang of Four... BACK!?! This is great news. I saw them live lots of times in the late 70's and they were always much, much better live than on record... Great though 'Entertainment' is. There have been 2 or 3 Go4 albums out in the last few years - presumably just King & Gill - but they weren't up to much so far as I could see. Hope they've been taking notes about how to re-emerge in the 21st century without embarrassing yourselves from Wire. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:50:16 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaing obliquely of john mcgeogh ... << Coming to a US City near you in May & June, and youre all invited.. Were presenting these shows as an evening with Siouxsie as theyll be neither solely Creatures nor Banshees but an all encompassing two hour show which will comprise classics & rarities picked from the whole of the Siouxsie & the Banshees & the Creatures catalogues. >> this sounded really interesting, then i got sticker shock: << Tue. 1 Jun., Atlanta, GA - Variety Playhouse Tel 404-521-1786 Tix $32.50 DOS Tix. Doors: 7:30PM OnStage: 8:30PM (All Ages) >> $32.50 ?????? gasp..... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:55:18 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? ....silly me...i have somehow lost the link to the article about which Pere Ubu cds are mastered at the wrong speed.... i'm interested in finding The Modern Dance and Dub Housing...which versionbs should i avoid again? thanks for putting up with me.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:06:51 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums << maybe...but I'm a sucker for lists, >> damn you Kenny, but i am too... << a list of the top ten non-wire related albums as voted by members of the list..no compilations, doesn't have to be in order...one album...one point.. >> okay, here goes. _Victorialand_ by Cocteau Twins _Foolish_ by Superchunk _Soul Mining_ by The The _Loveless_ by My Bloody Valentine _Sister_ by Sonic Youth _In On The Killtaker_ by Fugazi _Seance_ by The Church _Back to Basics_ by Billy Bragg _The Psychedelic Furs_ by The Psychedelic Furs _The Smiths_ by The Smiths there you go. what did i win? << np. Slint "Spiderland" (unlucky not top get in) >> that's another really good one. but yeah, i couldn't fit it in either. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:15:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? At 11:55 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: >....silly me...i have somehow lost the link to the article about which Pere >Ubu cds are mastered at the wrong speed.... > > >i'm interested in finding The Modern Dance and Dub Housing...which versionbs >should i avoid again? Wasn't it the old 'n' still pretty hard to find Rough Trade ones that were at the wrong speed? I have DATAPANIK IN THE YEAR ZERO, and those versions of the albums sound fine, as would, I assume, the more recent Cooking Vinyl reissues. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 12:34:29 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? > i'm interested in finding The Modern Dance and Dub Housing...which > versionbs > should i avoid again? Basically the Box Set versions are the right ones - it's a really excellent set too, contains the first five albums and all the early singles, plus an extra disc of the mid-70s Cleveland Scene. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:48:37 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Non-Wire Top 10....errr 40 << My Favorite - Love at Absolute Zero My Favorite - The Happiest Days of our Lives >> ooh! a fellow My Favorite fan. love these kids.... i would have to say THDOOL is better recorded than LAAZ, but that both have some amazingly catchy songs on them. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:55:07 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:32:31 +1100 From: "anastasia" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE Hi, Before I send a reply to all the lovely welcomes I've received... (fluttering eyelashes) I wonder where Wire is? Are they back in the UK does anyone know definitely? As I have some info. anastasia Hello! Nice to see you here, Ana! They have not been seen here (in Norway).. can somebody tell me if they have been here earlier? Does not seem so from "everybody loves a history" - up to 91. Never too late.... As you see, lots of mail here! The best one recently, from one of the Keiths, I think: As much as I love this album it's the Snakedrill bonus track A Serious of Snakes with it's poptastic "you pea-brained earwig" chorus that I'm particulalrly loving at the moment. I especially love the bit at when 2 min 04 secs when the high synth in comes in, and completely alters the mood of the song. Magic. Yes, yes.. Eiliv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:22:03 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? In a message dated 3/12/04 11:34:29 AM Central Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: > << i'm interested in finding The Modern Dance and Dub Housing...which > versionbs > should i avoid again? >> > what about the Geffen version of The Modern Dance? RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:54:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu ? > what about the Geffen version of The Modern Dance? > Fine as it came after the box set. Sounds exactly the same as the box set. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: Derek White Subject: [idealcopy] s*bscribe idealcopy Just to let y'all know: my e-mail address has changed to zak_blakk@yahoo.com just so I don't continually ride the limit of my inbox.......... Sorted, Miles? ;-) Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:04:08 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaing obliquely of john mcgeogh ... In a message dated 12/03/2004 16:52:56 GMT Standard Time, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > this sounded really interesting, then i got sticker shock: > > < Tel 404-521-1786 > Tix $32.50 DOS Tix. Doors: 7:30PM OnStage: 8:30PM (All Ages) >> > > $32.50 ?????? /////////is steve "we're splitting the band because we hate all these bastards reforming for the cash" severin involved in this splendid (yet lucrative) project? just curious , p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums i wonder if the interesting thing is the list, or that every other email has a new rule applied to the listing. I think that I like them for the exercise in generating a headache... (OK, with non-Wire... last rule I read, or did someone mention 40?) Joy Division -- Closer/Unknown Pleasures Talk Talk -- Colour of Spring New Order -- Low-life Billy Holliday == Lady in Satin Stereolab -- M.A.Q. Auteurs -- New Wave House of Love -- Babe Rainbow And Also the Trees -- The Klaxon The Chameleons -- Script of the Bridge Massive Attack -- Mezzanine Sneaker Pimps -- Splinter LFO -- Advance The Wake -- Here Comes Everybody That Petrol Emotion -- Manic Pop Thrill PiL -- Metal Box Tindersticks -- I & II & Curtains Kraftwerk -- Man Machine Trembling Blue Stars -- Her Handwriting (right time, right record) Tortoise -- TNT Red House Painters -- Ocean Beach The Who -- Quadrophenia Killing Joke -- Nighttime argh, sad not to mention so many best-of-the-year albums... OK, I guess I did not follow any rule... did I? How about a list of the best singles... hahahahahaha - -fernando PS Yes, MOVEMENT with C&W, Mesh and Procession taken from some of the live gigs would have been brilliant... though there is something in PC&L and LowLife that was distanced from Closer, that Movement will always have. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #78 ******************************