From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #76 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, March 12 2004 Volume 07 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] pulp ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ya tulip ! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] the cure ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] tulips and girly copyists [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Gang of Four...BACK!?!? [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Gang of Four...BACK!?!? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - Part 2.7 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Tonight, Matthew... I'll be Jobriath ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Ipod Used In Domestic Homicide ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] RE: Cure ["Jason Rogers" ] [idealcopy]O.T: Ipod Vs Discman [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums ["dan bailey" ] RE: [idealcopy] top ten albums ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 > > Shit. I can't slag the Comsats off anymore!!>>>>> > > sure you can! whattsamatta with you Keith? goin' soft? Just being polite, sir. > RL (who, in a stunning turn of events, has decided that he actually likes two > albums by Radiohead: Kid A and Amnesiac....) whattsamatta with you Robert? goin' soft? ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:45:34 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pulp >Keith > >(played Pulp's This is Hardcore before - god, I'd forgotten just how good it >is!!) whereas i never found it so. am extremely fond, however, of separations, his'n'hers, different class & we love life ... dan, still on the lookout for a cheap used copy of the hits collection ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:45:23 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ya tulip ! > Colin Newman - Bastard > > ))) Oh no no no !!! Very poor album. Could never get > into it. Give it another whirl. There's some really good stuff there. > A-Z & Not To by far and away Colin's finest > hour(s). Esp. the post 154 songs such as Lorries, We > Meet Under Tables, 5/10 etc. I wasn't suggesting it was better than either of those two, Fergus! They're very different beasts, in the same way that Wire #1 and Wire #2 are. > Hox - It-ness > ))) Mmm. Not bad. Catch Supposes way better I think Yeah, i like that one a lot, too. > Actually no. pre>HE is DEFINITELY my > favourite Graham LP(though not strictly an LP, more a > collection of bits and bobs). Hmm. Bought that not so long back and not played it much as yet. So... Well I'm 8 mins into the opening track, Dolass Violphin and I've decided... I'm a fucking lightweight!! Where's Kylie when I need her ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:56:39 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 In a message dated 11/03/2004 17:29:32 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > RL (who, in a stunning turn of events, has decided that he actually likes > two > albums by Radiohead: Kid A and Amnesiac....) > They are my favourite two too if you know what I mean. I have always liked The Comsat Angels & kick myself at having the chance of seeing them once & not doing so. Welcome Anastacia.There has been other female copyists on the list over the years.But not many.Pity. Chris NP. The Fiery Furnaces - Crystal Clear CD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:01:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ya tulip ! In a message dated 3/11/04 2:52:09 PM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > Well I'm 8 mins into the opening track, Dolass Violphin and I've decided... > > I'm a fucking lightweight!! > > Where's Kylie when I need her ; ) > > Keith oh dear....well i guess it's safe to say that you don't like the first two tracks on the Thighpaulsandra compilation that i made for you? ah well...can't win 'em all .... ; ) RL np - Thomas Fehlmann - Good Fridge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:03:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ipod Used In Domestic Homicide > I come at this as someone who has never even used a Walkman or any other > mobile listening device I'm shocked, Keith!! I've not used mine lately but I've got a train journey tomorrow and I desperately need to find it. I love the soundtrack feel to the views and I hate the idea of going on a train without it. > - something to do with needing to hear the noise > of my surroundings. Or what people are saying about you ; ) > But the implications about the iPod is that it > revolutionises the way one listens to music. Is this the case? Is it > worth the cost? Would you recommend it? My only encounter with one was a guy at the airport last summer showing me his (calm down, his iPod!), but when he got to the contents and there were loads of tracks by some guy he said used to be It Bites, I wore a look of horror and emitted some strange bewildered noise. Cue glare from my girlfriend, unhappy with my lack of social skills ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:09:29 -0700 From: "Matt Hursh" Subject: [idealcopy] Gang of Four...BACK!?!? Hello all, First-time writing in...attentive lurker for about 2 months. Figured this would be of interest to most here: Confirmed recently from David Allen himself, the original lineup of Gang Of Four is reforming. No specific details, but this would obviously mean (at least) a revisitation of 'Entertainment!' and 'Solid Gold' era stuff...no word on new material. Check this out (mostly about cd availability, but lots of quotes from Allen): http://dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-03-11/stuff.html/1/index.html Bye. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:12:06 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums Chart news a la Mark & Lard. Top ten - stable (except a new entry at number 5, pop-pickers!) 1. ELECTRIC WARRIOR T.Rex 2. FUNHOUSE The Stooges 3. BRYTER LAYTER Nick Drake 4. KILIMANJARO Teardrop Explodes 5. NEON GOLDEN The Notwist 6. PET SOUNDS The Beach Boys 7. DUSTY IN MEMPHIS Dusty Springfield 8. THE FOR CARNATION The For Carnation 9. THE ONLY ONES The Only Ones 10. MARQUEE MOON Television ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:22:10 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] tulips and girly copyists Keith Astbury: >Well I'm 8 mins into the opening track, Dolass Violphin and I've decided... > >I'm a fucking lightweight!! > >Where's Kylie when I need her ; ) Welcome to the club, my friend. Our next meeting is will be at the Virgin Megastore whenever the next Kylie double-CD single release appears. Trenchcoat optional. Chris: >Welcome Anastacia.There has been other female copyists on the list over the >years.But not many.Pity. If the names on the "subscribe" notifications I get are any indication -- and they may well not be -- there are perhaps others lurking. I can only assume that they are driven into a stunned silence by the football talk and that leather-pervert contingent. ;-) later, listowner Miles, who's actually disappointed with most of BODY LANGUAGE, but IMPOSSIBLE PRINCESS - oh my! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:23:39 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tulips and girly copyists In a message dated 3/11/04 3:20:35 PM Central Standard Time, wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > I can only assume that they are driven into a stunned silence by the > football talk and that leather-pervert contingent. ;-) > SIR! IT'S ALL KEITH, BART, and ARI's FAULT, SIR! i was young and impressionable when i joined this list...i didn't know what i was getting into....i was like the youngest member of CAN (which album was it again where the older guys were in leather kecks?) RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:24:47 -0000 From: "Garry P" Subject: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 Alright then, here it is... Soul Coughing - Ruby Vroom Slapp Happy - Desperate Straights Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians Tortoise - TNT David Sylvian - Brilliant Trees His Name is Alive - Mouth by Mouth Can - Tago Mago Moloko - I am Not a Doctor John Scofield - Up All Night Susumu Yokota - Sound of Sky And a few random observations: For some reason both His Name... and Moloko both decided to start producing dull music after notching up these masterpieces. I'm never quite sure why I don't think of Sylvian as a twee & precious twit. His stuff just works for me; and the recent 'Blemish' is very interesting - again, he's doing something which shouldn't work, but does. For me. I don't think the John Scofield album has been mentioned on the list yet? This is not what you'd expect from a jazz guitarist; funky (but in a good way - in a Can way in fact & I don't say that lightly) and short on solos. That and the Susumu have been my favourite driving tape for the last 6 months. Ladytron's 604 & Broadcast's Ha Ha Sound might also have crept in, I've played both to death lately. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, 2004 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/11/04 7:21:15 AM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > > We all belong to the Comsat Angels 'Sleep No More' mail-list that I > > moderate and own. > > Shit. I can't slag the Comsats off anymore!!>>>>> sure you can! whattsamatta with you Keith? goin' soft? when did a little thing like someone's personal taste in music EVER stop the lot of us from giving a good slagging? Coil rule RL (who, in a stunning turn of events, has decided that he actually likes two albums by Radiohead: Kid A and Amnesiac....) Welcom to ' the club' Robert,any thing ya want by them.......have several high quality concerts (yours'll be mailed tomorrow Bruno).Ari Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - Part 2.7 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/11/04 8:41:07 AM Central Standard Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: > >Is this mainly a man's domain or are there female members as well? > > Unless there are female members that just 'lurk' , rather than post here, > then I *think' you may be the first***. However, I'm pretty sure that it's > more by accident than design. > > Enjoy, > Derek W ya hear that Ari and Bart ? time to clean your acts up and act like gentlemen now...no more perverted guy stories ! seriously though, welcome Anastasia...this list is full of diverse , interesting, and fun people...i hope you like it here... Robert (RL) How can she NOT like it here with SO many Guys?Welcome indeed I was just rueing the fact that theree doesn't seem to be any ladies on the list 'tother day.Ari in North Carolina (and no Robert,I WONT clean up my act) Ari Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:48:56 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Ipod Used In Domestic Homicide Well, I travel about 40 minutes each way to work by train every day and it's rarely crossed my mind! Mind you, I'd get a lot more listened to if I did. But the few times I've tried it I've felt distracted and uncomfortable. Perhaps the kit I've tried it on wasn't up to much. The potential appeal of the iPod to me is not that it's about listening on the move so much as it allegedly revolutionises the way you can listen to music through the search facilities. Listening to music in a car is something else again - I love that. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.indoorminer@virgin.net] Sent: 11 March 2004 21:03 To: Keith Knight; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ipod Used In Domestic Homicide > I come at this as someone who has never even used a Walkman or any other > mobile listening device I'm shocked, Keith!! I've not used mine lately but I've got a train journey tomorrow and I desperately need to find it. I love the soundtrack feel to the views and I hate the idea of going on a train without it. > - something to do with needing to hear the noise > of my surroundings. Or what people are saying about you ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:00:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] the cure Jack Alberson wrote: Honestly, it is quite worth it. The remastering job on those 'beach' b-sides is fantastic, and the stuff from the KMKMKM era was in dire need as well. The unreleased version of 'hello, I love you' is much more Cure-like, in my humble opinion. Also, a different take on their cover of 'purple haze' is almost note-to-note with the original and quite superior to the somewhat dodgy rendition on that Hendrix tribute. Totally agree here Jack,can't wait for the 'extended' albums to hit the streets,hope uncle Robert remixes those too.Ari Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:12:49 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] the cure >Jack Alberson wrote: >Honestly, it is quite worth it. The remastering job on those 'beach' >b-sides is fantastic, and the stuff from the KMKMKM era was in dire need >as well. > >The unreleased version of 'hello, I love you' is much more Cure-like, in >my humble opinion. Also, a different take on their cover of 'purple >haze' is almost note-to-note with the original and quite superior to the >somewhat dodgy rendition on that Hendrix tribute. > >Totally agree here Jack,can't wait for the 'extended' albums to hit the streets,hope uncle Robert remixes those too.Ari of course, the release dates for those just got pushed back a month -- & counting. probably they'll coincide with the tour, which itself i guess is supposed to be in support of the new album, which supposedly is going to be out this summer, though i have to say i'd be shocked if that's the case. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] tulips and girly copyists 1) Miles is going soft (stop sniggering Bart) 2)Pull youself up Robert,that's UP,and yes,in response to your off-line inquirie you CAN wear Keiths leathers when you 'reply' to Anastacia s'long as Keith doesn't mind.and 3) you were NOT young and innocent when Keith Bart and I met you,just innocent.Ari RLynn9@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/11/04 3:20:35 PM Central Standard Time, wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > I can only assume that they are driven into a stunned silence by the > football talk and that leather-pervert contingent. ;-) > SIR! IT'S ALL KEITH, BART, and ARI's FAULT, SIR! i was young and impressionable when i joined this list...i didn't know what i was getting into....i was like the youngest member of CAN (which album was it again where the older guys were in leather kecks?) RL Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:25:31 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] List Admin Miles Any current problems? Perhaps with freeserve users? My IC stuff is coming in in totally diturbed order, rendering threads difficult to comprehend. Plus, new lister Anastasia has only so far appeared in the form of other folks' responses (hello Anastasia - I post occassionally and they're not usually as dull as this one). Cheers Ian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gang of Four...BACK!?!? welcome to the list Matt,watch out for Bart,Keith, Robert and Alistair,nasty people......Ari Matt Hursh wrote:Hello all, First-time writing in...attentive lurker for about 2 months. Figured this would be of interest to most here: Confirmed recently from David Allen himself, the original lineup of Gang Of Four is reforming. No specific details, but this would obviously mean (at least) a revisitation of 'Entertainment!' and 'Solid Gold' era stuff...no word on new material. Check this out (mostly about cd availability, but lots of quotes from Allen): http://dallasobserver.com/issues/2004-03-11/stuff.html/1/index.html Bye. Matt Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:41:41 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] List Admin At 10:25 PM 3/11/2004 +0000, Ian B wrote: >Miles >Any current problems? Perhaps with freeserve users? My IC stuff is coming >in in totally diturbed order, rendering threads difficult to comprehend. >Plus, new lister Anastasia has only so far appeared in the form of other >folks' responses (hello Anastasia - I post occassionally and they're not >usually as dull as this one). Not on the smoe.org side -- all the recent bounces have had to with a momentary glitch at harvard.edu (Aaron, you may be missing a bunch of posts from today) and Mr. White living on the edge of his Hotmail storage limit. Nothing from freeserve/fsnet is bouncing back to me so far. Missed posts can be caught up on in digest form at http://www.smoe.org/lists/idealcopy -- I mean, I'd rather solve your problem so you don't have to have recourse to the archives just to keep up, but it's good that they're there. I think we've had a digest since Anastasia's excellent first post (welcome!!!), so you should be able to find it and the rest that you've missed. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:56:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Gang of Four...BACK!?!? In a message dated 3/11/04 4:24:19 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > welcome to the list Matt,watch out for Bart,Keith, Robert and > Alistair,nasty people......Ari > > but impeccably dressed! RL np - Terry Riley "Rainbow in Curved Air" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:01:20 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Corner Hotel Melbourne - Part 2.7 In a message dated 3/11/04 3:54:52 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > How can she NOT like it here with SO many Guys?Welcome indeed I was just > rueing the fact that theree doesn't seem to be any ladies on the list 'tother > day.Ari in North Carolina (and no Robert,I WONT clean up my act) Ari > well Ari...maybe she: a) doesn't like boys b) doesn't like boys in leather trousers and pink boas c) doesn't like boys in anoraks d) doesn't mischievious dutch boys e) doesn't like silver tongued scccchhhhhhhnakes... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:04:17 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tonight, Matthew... I'll be Jobriath >>>Mark B will tell you more. He's the resident Jobriath fan here ; )<< > >Well, I guess so, if ownership of a Jobriath album procured for the sum of >50p from a charidee shop qualifies one as a fan! In case you're interested, it's >Creatures of the street, the second of the two he made. i've got 'em both, procured for about that price in the late '90s ... > >It's very odd - basically a more out there (in every sense of the word) >Aladdin Sane-era Bowie. Sort of decadent tail-end-of-glam stuff; probably inspired >the makers of Velvet Goldmine rather more than Sweet & Mud singles ;-) undoubtedly so -- the cover of one of "brian slade" 's lps (reproduced in the s/t cd booklet) owes a lot to that of the first jobriath album. i see that, while not included in mr j's band, the list of those "co-starring" on the lp includes one peter frampton. & that the song titles include the bowiesque likes of world without end, space clown, earthling, movie queen & morning star ship. not to mention i'maman (*ahem* iman?) dan > >Part of his problem was he was way too late. This album is from 1974 but his >image is soooo 1972, dahling. > >> Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:04:09 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 > I'm never quite sure why I don't think of Sylvian as a twee & > precious twit. His stuff just works for me; and the recent 'Blemish' is > very interesting - again, he's doing something which shouldn't work, but > does. For me. I've not heard it, so can't comment, but from what I've read on another it doesn't seem that popular with some DS fans. > Ladytron's 604 & Broadcast's Ha Ha Sound might also have > crept in, I've played both to death lately. Yeah, I've been playing that Broadcast album a lot, too. Some greats toons. And sure to appeal to Stereolabs fans. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:18:00 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 At 11:04 PM 3/11/2004 +0000, Keith Astbury wrote: >Yeah, I've been playing that Broadcast album a lot, too. Some greats toons. >And sure to appeal to Stereolabs fans. OK, here's something I'm trying to work out in my own head: I've now heard two Broadcast songs, the one on the MORVERN CALLAR soundtrack, and "Lunch Hour Pops," which a friend put on his homebrewed Best of 2003 CD-R. I like both of them a lot. However, the only comparison anyone ever offers is Stereolab, and I never warmed to them. I'm all in favor of their Velvetsy Krautrockin' drones, but the lounge half of the equation is, to me, like biting into something that tastes bad. Given the facts as stated, would I like an entire Broadcast album? Devalued U.S. dollars (currently trading at nearly 2 to 1 against the pound) are at stake here. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:26:08 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ipod Used In Domestic Homicide > Which leads me to ask the question - some people here presumably have an > iPod: how is it for you? Spookily, I've just read this elsewhere. not watched the film it mentions. "'10,000 tunes in your pocket' to be listened to on those distinctive exclusive white headphones, surely the best way to announce to everybody in the street, 'I've got several hundred pounds worth of small untraceable electronic hardware on me, and I can't hear you coming'. But it seems that the iPod has another problem. It's rechargable battery, like all rechargables, holds a decreasing amount of charge over time. After a while, it will give you less than an hour of play. Apple initially refused to do anything about it, telling people to buy new iPods. After some publicity and several filed lawsuits, they now charge a whopping $99 to replace it (there are sites that sell non-branded ones for half that, but fitting them invalidates your ipod warranty). They guys who triggered a lot of the publicity did a short film http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/ All of this begs the question - why can't they run on normal batteries like every other kind of walkman?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:28:27 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums The top 10 is in order, the second 10 floating. 1= Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures 1= Wire - 154 3 Magazine - Secondhand Daylight 4 The Velvet Underground & Nico 5 Television - Marquee Moon 6 Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance 7 PiL - Metal Box 8 The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour 9 Wire - Chairs Missing 10 Colin Newman - Not to JD - Closer The Cure - 17 Seconds MBV - Loveless New Order - Power Corruption & Lies Gang of 4 - Entertainment Magazine - The Correct use of soap Palais Schaumburg Comsat Angels - Sleep No More Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca Bubbling under Clock DVA - Thirst Dome 1 Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:40:36 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 > >Yeah, I've been playing that Broadcast album a lot, too. Some greats toons. > >And sure to appeal to Stereolabs fans. > > OK, here's something I'm trying to work out in my own head: I've now heard two Broadcast songs, the one on the MORVERN CALLAR soundtrack, and "Lunch Hour Pops," which a friend put on his homebrewed Best of 2003 CD-R. I like both of them a lot. Well if you like Lunch Hour Pops then I'm pretty sure you'd like the album. But do you not think LHP sounds like Stereolab? I know that Broadcast used to be on Stereolabs label, so it would be very easy (and lazy) to compare them, but there is a genuine similarity IMO. On the strength of Ha Ha - which is the only Broadcast album I've got - I'd say they're a prettier, at times less angular Stereolab. Great pop tunes that at times bring to mind early 60's pop with weird little interludes. As Mark B once said about The Tornados Telstar, it manages to sound old fasioned and modern at the same time. But in a nutshell - LHP certainly isn't unrepresentative of the album. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:44:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums > New Order - Power Corruption & Lies You like PCL more than Lowlife ("New Order's Closer"!) Blimey!! You've surprised me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:37:38 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: mu/smiths a little addition from friend of mine (big MU supporter..) > > Beckham - Money Changes Everything > Solskjaer - Half A Person > Djemba Djemba - Paint A Vulgar Picture > Keane - Barbarism Begins At Home > Silvestre - Still Ill > Scholes - This Charming Man > Kleberson - Back To The Old House > Butt - Sweet And Tender Hooligan > Barthez - Last Night I Dreamed That Somebody Love Me > MUFC - The Queen Is Dead / I Know It's Over / That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore > (Medley) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:50:27 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums > >>New Order - Power Corruption &Lies > > You like PCL more than Lowlife ("New Order's Closer"!) > > Blimey!! > > You've surprised me.<< > > I like Movement & Brotherhood more than Lowlife. Not that there's much wrong > with Lowlife, but Closer it ain't. A properly produced Movement, with Mesh, > Procession and Cries & Whispers included would be better than anything else. > I fear I've been down this road before though... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:54:56 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Cure >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 15:22:42 +0000 >From: "kenny sanderson" >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] the cure was Corner Hotel Melbourne - 7 March, >2004 > >I actually prefer "Seventeen Seconds"....a truely beautiful >record....many teenage nights were spent with that one..."In your House" >never fails to send shivers down my spine... Seventeen Seconds is my second favorite Cure album behind Disintegration (which happens to be my favorite album of all time). For the past fifteen years since I bought it, though, Seventeen Seconds seems to just get better with each listen; this is perhaps because it is the most minimalist Cure album and a far cry from the gloriously overblown later stuff that I have always enjoyed over the years. "A Forest" is my favorite Cure song, but "In Your House", "Seventeen Seconds", "M", "At Night", "Play For Today", and "Secrets" are class act songs as well. Also, I've always preferred Faith to Pornography. I'm in the minority of Cure fans here, but I've always felt that Faith was a much stronger album. "All Cats Are Grey" is one of The Cure's high points, I think. > >I was thinking of investing in the recent box set...just to get all those >b-sides from the cassette version of "standing on a beach" again, ...but >the rest of it looks pretty bad..3 versions of "hello, i love you".. no >thanks.... > The Cure's B-sides box set is one of the most worthwhile purchases that I've made in years. The first two discs are the obvious highlights and pretty much make the price worth it just for the 1978 through 1987 material, but I have a higher opinion of The Cure's more recent B-sides than most of the critics do. The box set features a previously-unreleased Bloodflowers outtake called, "Possession", which has some nice Peter Hook-style bass lines and sounds a bit more upbeat than the material that was included on the album. One of the three versions of "Hello, I Love You" is 13 seconds long, so the lineup of these is not as droning as one might think. The box set is not flawless, of course, and has its share of crap ("Young Americans" cover, the Judge Dredd song, etc.), but the songs that hit the mark really do hit the mark. As a bonus, you can take the tracks of "Let's Go To Bed", "The Walk", and "The Lovecats" from the recent Cure - Greatest Hits, combine them with the respective B-sides from Disc 1 of the box set, and compile a nicely remastered loud version of Japanese Whispers on your own. That was one of the first things that I did after I bought the box set. Jason Now Playing: Killing Joke - Laugh? I Nearly Bought One! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:32:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy]O.T: Ipod Vs Discman o.k,it might not be the 'best' when it comes to the 'amount' of music it'll hold,but I love my Sony mini-disc player because I can carry as much music as I want,one disc holds 80 mins of c.d quality sound,160 mins of 'almost' c.d quality sound and 5 hours of c.d quality in the mono mode,you can put MP3's on the disc (many many hours)(as much as a 'conventional' c.d,)you can record streamed music directly to it,and you can,if you have the correct model,take it to a concert and record the concert,the quality of course being only as good as the microphones you use. it's smaller than iPOD and costs a whole lot less, the cheapest being less than $100,you can (using Sony's program) download files at 36X from your 'puter and I purchased a 3pack of 15 discs (40 hours of music @ 1/2 speed,EXCELLENT quality) for less than $20 from Best Buy couple of months ago,the ones that have a built-in rechargeable battery are easy to replace,they all take a rechargeable but not all of them are 'built in') and you can use a normal battery if you want.and should anyone mug me and steal it,then I can afford to get a new one.Ari Keith Astbury wrote: > Which leads me to ask the question - some people here presumably have an > iPod: how is it for you? Spookily, I've just read this elsewhere. not watched the film it mentions. "'10,000 tunes in your pocket' to be listened to on those distinctive exclusive white headphones, surely the best way to announce to everybody in the street, 'I've got several hundred pounds worth of small untraceable electronic hardware on me, and I can't hear you coming'. But it seems that the iPod has another problem. It's rechargable battery, like all rechargables, holds a decreasing amount of charge over time. After a while, it will give you less than an hour of play. Apple initially refused to do anything about it, telling people to buy new iPods. After some publicity and several filed lawsuits, they now charge a whopping $99 to replace it (there are sites that sell non-branded ones for half that, but fitting them invalidates your ipod warranty). They guys who triggered a lot of the publicity did a short film http://www.ipodsdirtysecret.com/ All of this begs the question - why can't they run on normal batteries like every other kind of walkman?" Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:40:42 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top ten albums ah, bloody mark can't follow the instructions like the other kids & list a *non*wire top 10, i see ... so i'll follow his lead & recast my top 10 with wire-related releases included, adding 11-20 as well -- 1 wire -- pink flag 2 jd -- unknown pleasures 3 cure -- pornography 4 rudimentary peni -- death church 5 wire -- chairs missing 6 pulp -- different class 7 bob dylan -- highway 61 revisited 8 t rex -- electric warrior 9 wire -- 154 10 mekons -- curse of 11 chumba -- shhh 12 killing joke -- what's this for 13 fall -- live at the witch trials 14 public enemy -- it takes a nation of millions to hold us back 15 gun club -- fire of love 16 cramps -- songs the lord taught us 17 banshees -- the scream 18 jamc -- psychocandy 19 colin newman -- a-z 20 fall -- this nation's saving grace so close it hurts -- mekons' fear & whiskey & edge of the world; the fall's wonderful & frightening world, bend sinister, frenz experiment & light user syndrome; pil's 2nd edition; talking heads' first 4; sisters of mercy's floodlands; television's adventure; tv21's thin red line; the cure's 17 seconds; psychedelic furs' debut; lou reed's street hassle; the redskins' neither washington nor moscow; magazine's 2nd-hand daylight; pulp's his'n'hers; suicide's s/t; pere ubu's modern dance; wire's a bell is a cup; the pixies' first 2; frank black's teenager of the year; the banshees' kaleidoscope & juju; ultravox' s/t; cowboys international's original sin; skids' scared to dance; any number of kmfdm albums; naked raygun's jettison; the wailers' burnin'; gary numan's replicas & pleasure principle ... this could go on forever, really. interesting that, while i still love them, as i age i find myself turning less & less to my old reliable pure-punk-for-null-people standbys like the pistols, clash, saints, adverts, ramones, eater, rezillos, et al. dan >The top 10 is in order, the second 10 floating. > >1= Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures >1= Wire - 154 >3 Magazine - Secondhand Daylight >4 The Velvet Underground & Nico >5 Television - Marquee Moon >6 Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance >7 PiL - Metal Box >8 The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour >9 Wire - Chairs Missing >10 Colin Newman - Not to > >JD - Closer >The Cure - 17 Seconds >MBV - Loveless >New Order - Power Corruption & Lies >Gang of 4 - Entertainment >Magazine - The Correct use of soap >Palais Schaumburg >Comsat Angels - Sleep No More >Crispy Ambulance - The Plateau Phase >Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca > >Bubbling under > >Clock DVA - Thirst >Dome 1 > > > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:40:23 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] top ten albums Probably no change in content (although possibly in placing - this is pretty fluid after the first three) from last time I did this but here goes: 1 Rock Bottom - Robert Wyatt 2 Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night - Peter Hammill 3 The Hissing of Summer Lawns - Joni Mitchell 4 Pawn Hearts - Van der Graaf Generator 5 The Ramones 6 Slanted and Enchanted - Pavement 7 The Clash 8 Climate of Hunter - Scott Walker 9 Over - Peter Hammill 10 Agaetis Byrjun - Sigur Ros Bubbling Under - Surfer Rosa; Pink Flag; 154; Farewell Sorrow - Alasdair Roberts; The Faust Tapes; Led Zeppelin 1; Unknown Pleasures; The Frenz Experiment - The Fall; The VU & Nico; The Modern Dance; Metal Box; Trout Mask Replica; loads more Hammill and VdGG... Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:52:16 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 Aha! A Desperate Straights fan, eh? Many a happy hour I spent with that on release - Some Questions about Hats, A Worm is at Work, Europa... I still find myself whistling the 'Excerpt from the Messiah' from time to time and will probably find myself doing so again when The Passion of the Christ gets released over here. - 'He hid not his face from shame and spitting'. Can one dismiss hats as simple things? Vapid things? Scant, evanescent things? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Garry P Soul Coughing - Ruby Vroom Slapp Happy - Desperate Straights ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 10:55:36 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 I can't keep up one day away & 80+ replies on the list! Hello to new people on the list. 1.I use Adobe Audition for remastering old tapes/vinyl to cdr. 2.Top 20ish "Only for now" no order - Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance Joy D - Closer & Unknown Clock Dva - Thirst & Buried Dreams The Lines - Ultramarine Camberwell Now - All's Well Zoviet France - Mohnomishe Virgin Prunes - Heresie (Studio bit) This Heat - Deceit Lifetones - For A Reason Dr Alimantado - Best Dressed Chicken Section 25 - Always Now & Key Of Dreams The Pop Group - For How Much Longer SPK - Leichenschrei Slits - Peel Sessions Neu - 1 Dome - 1 Mark Stewart - Learning To Cope With Cowardice Psychedelic Furs - 1 Ultravox - hahaha Severed Heads - Since the Accident Why isn't Roy 'career destroyer' Keane behind bars!? Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Knight" To: "'Garry P'" , Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Non-Wire Top 10 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:52:16 -0000 Aha! A Desperate Straights fan, eh? Many a happy hour I spent with that on release - Some Questions about Hats, A Worm is at Work, Europa... I still find myself whistling the 'Excerpt from the Messiah' from time to time and will probably find myself doing so again when The Passion of the Christ gets released over here. - 'He hid not his face from shame and spitting'. Can one dismiss hats as simple things? Vapid things? Scant, evanescent things? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Garry P Soul Coughing - Ruby Vroom Slapp Happy - Desperate Straights _________________________________________________________________ Personalise your phone with chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:27:19 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: [idealcopy] Bowie Ebay Again.. He's at it again! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=53256&item=3803223092 np 23 skidoo - seven songs (should've been in the list..doh!) Video - Cpt Sensible Weetabix advert from 1982!! _________________________________________________________________ We've 100s of NEW questions! Play Millionaire online to win $$$$. Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/millionaire/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 01:01:38 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Heavy Rotation/sleeves/corner hotel/acr In a message dated 3/11/04 12:48:23 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >> Also, I think it's been mentioned here before, too, but I think that >the >> little white border round these sleeves really sets them off. >> >Whereas I wish they didn't have the border. Or any words on them. and i would lose the text but keep the border. chairs, as is, is still a fave sleeve for me. i also like snakedrill, ibtaba, and send and the r&b's. - -paul c.d. p.s. welcome anastasia. it was wonderful to read a review from someone such as yourself...1) being unfamiliar with wire, 2) being female. p.p.s. there have been other female copyists, 2 i think, but haven't seen any posts in a long time p.p.p.s. echo-crocodiles reissue is in heavy rotation, along with section 25-always now reissue, and grant lee phillips-virginia creeper p.p.p.p.s. must get acr-graveyard cd. never had the original and heard the version of flight today on the radio. excellent. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #76 ******************************