From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #71 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, March 9 2004 Volume 07 : Number 071 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #69 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] Buzzcocks DVD [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #70 [rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] [idealcopy] New Picnic Time ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Melbourne gig (and a digression!) ["Keith Astbury" <] RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore ["Derek White" ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 01:53:22 +0000 > From: "kenny sanderson" > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu > > thanks to all...I've ordered the box set.. > - - And don't forget the David Thomas box set "David Thomas, Monster" which features five solo albums from the eighties plus a live album. For people who already have the vinyl, you'll find that "Variations on a Theme" (featuring Richard Thompson) is virtually re-recorded and "More Places Forever" (featuring Henry Cow's Chris Cutler and Lindsay Cooper) is radically remixed. In the UK this box sells at giveaway prices. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 02:44:27 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Buzzcocks DVD Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 18:10:57 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] a Wire coincidence.. Hmmm..... Just got 'Buzzcocks Live at Shepherds Bush' DVD for my birthday (today). Executive Producers for Secret Films - Frank Lea/Colin Newman ))) Would this be the gig they did the Sunday after flag:burning ? Apart from all the cartoon punks jumping all over the gaff at the front, which effectively curtailed my photo taking, it was a very enjoyable gig. I think they played for the best part of two hours ! I was fucking knackered at the end ! Fergus I am the walrus I am the fly I am Damo Suzuki I am the gymnast __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:47:44 +0000 From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #70 Great to see so much Ubu debate - one of the few bands I like more than Wire. I can understand the "self-consciously obscure" comment but I would say that the next album New Picnic Time is one of my favourite albums. Its poking around in emotional nooks and crannies that rock music doesn't usually deal with (or at least its trying to so it in unusual ways). The music if finely balanced on the edge of chaos so that you can't be sure if its order breaking down into chaos or chaos trying to cohere. I'll embarrass myself here by saying its a vivid expression of the immediate attempt to make sense of experience/ emotion. Theres one passage in Small Was Fast where Thomas's vocal breaks down into (joyfully) animalistic wails which always does strange things to me. Given that, as Wire fans, we like to see the obvious avoided/confounded, I reckon we should give this stuff a(nother) chance. All the best, Tony. > > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:42:11 -0600 > From: "dan bailey" > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu > > sums up my sentiments quite nicely ... for me they pretty much started > being too self-consciously obscure after modern dance (probably i ought > to go back & replay dub housing, though -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:09:17 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] New Picnic Time OK - I promise to dig New Picnic Time out of my attic... Don't think I even managed to get through that one end-to-end so it deserves another chance. Some of my recent favourites (Elbow's Cast of Thousands, Hail to the Thief) only really grabbed me after a couple of listens, after all. Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk [mailto:rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk] Sent: 08 March 2004 10:48 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #70 Great to see so much Ubu debate - one of the few bands I like more than Wire. I can understand the "self-consciously obscure" comment but I would say that the next album New Picnic Time is one of my favourite albums. Given that, as Wire fans, we like to see the obvious avoided/confounded, I reckon we should give this stuff a(nother) chance. All the best, Tony. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 06:11:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > >>and i certainly don't know the guy, but i hope the diabetes wouldn't lead > > anyone to assume that he hasn't looked after himself<< No, he genuinely hasn't looked after himself. Usual rock 'n' roll excesses, mainly booze. mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:08:26 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Melbourne gig (and a digression!) G'day all Just back from the third Oz Wire gig at the Corner Hotel Melbourne. I have loaded the last of the photos. If you have already looked you'll have to wade through the earlier ones first! This lot of shots includes a few at the end of 'fan shots' with the boys- sorry about them :-) http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pdblakeney/index.html The gig was superb. A quite different crowd to that in Sydney. Same numbers (maybe 4-500??), but there seemed to be a greater proportion of knowledgable fans as opposed to curious fans. Lots of requests through the nifght including the obligatory 1,2,XU. One poor fellow was shouting out ANOTHER THE LETTER all night (in vain)!! Set list again as follows:1 99.9, 2 Germship, 3 Mr..Marx's Table, 4 1st Fast, 5 Read and Burn, 6 The Agfers of Kodack, 7 Comet, 8 In The Art of Stopping, 9 Spent, 10 I Don't Understand, ENCORE 1 Strange, 2 106 Beats That, 3 Surgeon's Girl, ENCORE 1 Lowdown, 2 Pink Flag ENCORE 1 Reuters. I think this particular show is getting very sharp. Still the odd glitch but hey, it's live. The highlight has become the incendiary version of Pink Flag, it seemed to get longer and snarlier the further into the tour. The Melbourne version lasted just under 13 minutes, propelled by Robert's beat that gradually got faster and faster, then built and built....and built until it was a swirling maelstrom of buzzing guitars and feedback that climaxed in the traditional shout: HOW - MANY - DEAD - OR - ALIVE! I looked around and the audience were mesmerised and flabbagasted- a MASTERPIECE of a finisher. The Send and R&B songs were all powerful and well received by the crowd. Graham was in a particularly aggressive mood, glowering and swearing at the audience, and positively spitting out his words. Colin looked in good humour and played well. Robert was perfect as usual, and Bruce churned out the buzz in typical fashion. During Lowdown the boys were joined on stage by two lanky girls dressed in black who danced through the song. Colin quipped: "I've always thought Wire would be vastly improved by having more girls in it". The audience squeezed out the third encore again, and Colin finished up the show introducing Reuters with "We are a band with an extremely limited repetoire, and an even more limited playing skills but, as they always say in the cooking shows, we'll just do one we prepared earlier, we'll just have to wait one or two minutes while we get it out of the oven". At the very end: "Thank thank you, that was everything we know!" (Maybe a little sensitive to the whinges that the performance is a bit on the short side?) A digression: It's been an interesting and surreal week following the boys around! An hour and a half flight to Brisbane, Wire at The Zoo in amongst the strip joints, with a rather subdued crowd of around 250. Another one and a half hour flight back to wait for the boys to play on home turf at the Gaelic Club in Sydney, then another flight to Melbourne on Sunday to go to the Corner Hotel gig. After chatting with the band after the gig I slummed around Melbourne for a few hours because there was no cheap accommodation because the Australian Grand Prix was on the same day, and then caught a 12 hour train ride back to Sydney (at least I had a chance to get some sleep).A loooooooooooooong week! I have to say that there's something a little strange (going on tonight) in what I did. I suppose it's a bit like autograph hunting a football team. The cult of celebrity is rather curious! What accident was it that took me down the particular path of being a WIRE completist, as opposed to some other band? Who knows? I asked Colin for a photo and said- can I have a 'Proximity Shot', a term I invented accidentally at the time, which perhaps reflects my ambivalence at the silliness of of the whole adventure of the road trip. BUT for better or worse Wire have always occupied a significant corner of my life, so would I do it again?............Too right I would! See ya Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:55:07 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu > dan, still trying to figure out yesterday's dream about ron & russell mael > jointly running for mayor of my hometown ... It's got to have some "This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us" connotations. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:04:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone > probably said it before , but i always felt surfer rosa was the one and it > was a gradual slide down from there , doolittle is still a great album but i > prefer the rougher , fresher SR. got me tickets for the UK shows , but i'm not > sure whether to get my hopes up too much here. whereas with wire i felt there > was a lot of unfinished business , by "trompe le monde" i thought the pixies had > run their course. Interesting enough, the only Pixies album I've played in recent times is the BBC sessions one (though this is because it's the only one I've got on cd and not vinyl, rather than any musical choice on my behalf). Had most of it on tape off the show, but it's nice to hear it altogether. The cover of Wild Honey Pie always brings a smile to my face!! > whereas back then i never thought kim would come up > with much at all. p and how right you were, Mr Rabjohn ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:08:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone > >>Interesting enough, the only Pixies album I've played in recent times is > the > BBC sessions one (though this is because it's the only one I've got on cd > and not vinyl, rather than any musical choice on my behalf). << > > Funny isn't it. I've got all the albums on vinyl but only the Peels, best > of, B-sides & Purple tape CDs. Never rebought the vinyls on CD. Now is this > because > > a - it was too soon after having just bought them > b - they were so 'of their time' that a compilation or two would be all that > got played anyway. > > Does sound fresh though - I recently compiled up the full 'purple tape' from Come on Pilgrim and the CD and it sounded superb. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:24:11 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone > > Funny isn't it. I've got all the albums on vinyl but only the Peels, best > > of, B-sides & Purple tape CDs. Never rebought the vinyls on CD. Now is this > > because > > > > a - it was too soon after having just bought them > > b - they were so 'of their time' that a compilation or two would be all that > > got played anyway. Well it was more of a case of a) for me, particularly with Surfa Rosa. I've just played the BBC cd, and thoroughly enjoyed it as always, so I think I'll pick SR up on cd if I see it cheap. Like AT Keith said about The Scream, there's some albums you love at the time and then you forget about (I did it with the 1st Only Ones album till I re-discovered it in the mid-late 80's, and I've certainly not heard The Scream in some time). But to give you an idea of how much I liked SR at the time, I can recall compiling a top 10 UK and a top 10 US LPs's of all time not long after I bought SR and it was in the American one with all-time faves like Funhouse, VU&Nico, Vega/Rev, Doors, etc. So when I say I found Doolittle disappointing after SR, this is what I was comparing it to (well, that the excellent Peel sessions). > > Does sound fresh though - I recently compiled up the full 'purple tape' from > Come on Pilgrim and the CD and it sounded superb. Never heard Pilgrim, you know. One of those I always meant to get and never did. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:34:50 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] Ot: Come On, Pilgrim On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 02:24:11PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > Never heard Pilgrim, you know. One of those I always meant to get and never > did. I've got the CD with Come On, Pilgrim tacked on the end. It's superb. "Levitate Me" is deeply silly, but one of my favourite Pixies tracks regardless... I think I bought that album when I was eighteen: summer of my first year at university. I picked up "The Holy Bible" by the Manics and "Surfer Rosa" in a run-down branch of Our Price in Dunfermline, just after a job interview for being a call-centre drone for Sky TV (I got the job). The Manics record is easily their strongest; I'd maintain it's a very good, if highly derivative, album (though it seemed like more at the time: I just didn't have the context to see who they were ripping off). "Surfer Rosa", however, still sounds utterly distinct to me. "Doolittle" is a better pop record, and I'm sacriligeous enough to prefer the single versions of Gigantic and River Euphrates, but "Surfer Rosa" feels like it's closer to what the Pixies were actually *about*. That was a fairly formative summer, actually (1999, must have been: five years ago), as it's when my CD collection really started to explode. The other key day was buying Boards of Canada's "Music has the Right to Children", an album I adore, and Tortoise's "TNT"; I was in the process of becoming a complete Mogwai fanboy already, and that cemented my feeling that there was music out there which *wasn't* obvious but that I could still enjoy. Anyway. Back to your regularly scheduled updates from the Southern front. (Panic's increasing: sooner or later the end of the tour will arrive...) I'm back on TV on the 22nd, by the way. Mark your calendars (if you want to avoid it, at any rate). - - Andrew - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 09:54:31 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone not keen on kim , keith? always think the breeders first 2 albums stand up really well , though the amps and that last breeders album don't really do it for me. wonder how the onstage chemistry between kim and frankie is coming along?............. as an aside , did anyone ever hear the kelly deal solo album? seemed a pretty frightening prospect. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:11:37 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand /R& J Stone We Do it...every night every day every possible way > not keen on kim , keith? Well not wild to be honest. I bought Pod on the strength of the Peels session and quite liked it at the time (there were a few tracks I liked a lot), but time always gives a bit of perspective, and now I wonder why I bought that when I wouldn't dream of buying an Andrew Ridgley solo album. > wonder how the onstage chemistry between kim and frankie is coming along?............. Well as smackheads are well known to need a high intake of sugar, I anticipate that Kim's arguments with our Frank are gonna be over who gets the last Rolo rather than any musical differences. > as an aside , did anyone ever hear the kelly deal solo album? seemed a pretty frightening prospect. p Yeah. It's fucking brilliant. Best thing I've heard in ages!! Nah, not heard it. I think it's taking an appreciation of The Pixies that one small step too far. As much as I like T.Rex, I'd be struggling to justify buying an album by Mickey Finn's brother. I'd still buy it, mind ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:13:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand /R& J Stone We Do it...e... > >>As much as I like T.Rex, I'd be struggling to > justify buying an album by Mickey Finn's brother.<< > What, you mean you haven't got 'The bongo pixie garden' by Keith Finn?? Fucking brilliant, best thing I've heard in ages, etc. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:48:34 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: hotlanta << Einsturzende Neubauten at Masquerade, etc. >> when is this show? it's not mentioned in the Masq's ad's as of yet, and i can never find their website... << By the way, The Church were awesome at Variety Playhouse this past Wednesday. The setlist consisted mainly of stuff from the (excellent) new album, but they also found room for: "Under The Milky Way", "Destination", "Reptile", "Tantalized", "Myrrh", and......most importantly, in my opinion...."You Took" from The Blurred Crusade. Great show. >> i enjoyed it very much as well. still a quality act. what is up with Kilbey's beard and long hair -- he looked like a LotR cast reject... did he get a cameo in one of the movies? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:34:03 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Melbourne gig (and a digression!) Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Melbourne gig (and a digression!) > G'day all > > Just back from the third Oz Wire gig at the Corner Hotel Melbourne. > > It's been an interesting and surreal week following the boys around! Thanks for all this, Phillip. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say how much I enjoyed your updates. I'd love to do what you did. I've certainly considered trying to take in the three Scottish gigs - I've never been to Glasgow or Aberdeen for god's sake!! - but at the moment I think I'm gonna struggle to see any... Bugger. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 18:57:02 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore >Derek, it's gotta be Surfer Rosa as far as I'm concerned, although this >is a bit Sophie's Choice. The first side of Surfer is just a stunning >rollercoaster of noise, as fresh today as the day it was minted. > >But if you've bought Doolittle instead you've hardly made a wrong >choice. //// Just as well, really, as "Doolittle" is what I wound up with, mainly on account of 'Monkey.." In the long run, it'll probably not matter as I'll probably get "Surfer" sometime soon. The version in the racks at MusicZone seems to be a 'toofa' deal, in that it seems to be a single-disk set with another CD album or EP on it (name of which escapes me...) Still 'wearing it in' sorta thing, so I haven't yet formed up a definitive opinion of Doolittle yet. All I can say is that it wasn't a wasted #4:75........ :-) _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:13:27 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore "Doolittle" is what I wound up with, mainly >on account of 'Monkey.." >In the long run, it'll probably not matter as I'll probably get "Surfer" >sometime soon. >The version in the racks at MusicZone seems to be a 'toofa' deal, in that it >seems to be a single-disk set with another CD album or EP on it (name of >which escapes me...) that'd be come on pilgrim. annoyingly, that configuration has never been offered (afaik) over here in the states, which is why i own pilgrim only on tape & surfer only on vinyl. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:15:46 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone i thought highly of the breeders' first 2 at the time, but the last several years have found myself utterly uninterested in going back & listening to them again (except to extract driving on 9, a cover, for any number of mix tapes & now cds). as opposed to frank's teenager of the year, a perennial favorite. dan >not keen on kim , keith? always think the breeders first 2 albums stand up really well , though the amps and that last breeders album don't really do it for me. > >wonder how the onstage chemistry between kim and frankie is coming along?............. > >as an aside , did anyone ever hear the kelly deal solo album? seemed a pretty frightening prospect. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:20:35 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone > I recently compiled up the full > 'purple tape' from > Come on Pilgrim and the CD and it sounded superb. I was just going to mention this. I think it's the great lost Pixies album. And, isn't it interesting to note how the tracks that weren't on Come On Pilgrim were used throughout the rest of their career? It's like they had the complete vision right after they formed, and then spent the rest of the time trying to realize it. Maybe that's why they broke up? Nowhere to go after the first CD, and it took them a few years to realize it. (^_^) Oh - yeah - for what it's worth, I'd start with Surfer Rosa, too. But, Doolittle is a great album - you can't go wrong with either. Cheers, Paul N.P. Buffalo Daughter - Pshychic YES - THE NEW BUFFALO DAUGHTER ALBUM. THIS CD (actually Hybrid SACD) IS GREAT! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 17:39:11 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone > as an aside , did anyone ever hear the kelly deal solo album? > seemed a pretty frightening prospect. p > Yes - I have both solo records plus saw The Kelley Deal 6000 on tour. Actually - Kelley is not a bad songwriter, although very uneven. Much like a stranger version of Kim, if you can believe it. Also, she splits songwriting credits with her (rehab) bandmates. Kelley's first CD "Go To The Sugar Altar" is pretty good. Much better than The Amps, IMHO. Uneven, but still winning. Sounds like a weirder version of Last Splash, to be honest. The second CD "Boom! Boom! Boom!" isn't quite as memorable, but had a couple of very Breeder-esque tunes, plus that warped sense of humor. The show was a blast. They played a very small club here in Seattle - the Sit-n-spin. (Combination cafe, bar and laundromat). Kelley made a point of meeting everyone in the club - very funny and nice. Hope she's doing okay. I was very disappointed by the Amps record, although the tour made up for it. Much better live. Title TK left me pretty cold, to be honest. They remixed one of the songs for a single - Son Of Three - and I liked that one much better. Plus, the Buffy The Vampire Slayer cover rocked! Cheers, Paul Still Playing - Buffalo Daughter "Pshychic"...................and playing..... and playing..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 01:47:29 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT:Brian Wilson Plays Drill! May I digress. Brian Wilsons live version of SMiLE that he is currently touring is quite simply the most beautiful, and occasionally rather scary thing you could possibly wish to hear. (as I did in the lovely Liverpool Empire last night) Unlike most things in life, it does actually live up to the Hype. It veers wildly from moments of heartbreaking beauty, to Disneyfied silliness, and includes a rapping Pirate, horn players wearing firemens hats, and some vegetables. It also has some very loud, bonkers percussion and a segment called 'Mrs O'Learys Cow' which is dark...Throbbing Gristle dark. SMiLE is a piece of wonderful Art Rock, the sound of a 60s Surfpop flowery dream (and the career of the Beach Boys) being slowly de-constructed (much to the horror of the rest of the Beach Boys) by its writer, performed with absolute integrity, and therefore deserves a mention in Wirespace. If that isn't enough, at one stage during "The Woodchop Song", Brian Wilson did indeed play a Drill. (An actual powerdrill that is). Welcome to WireSpace Bri! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:02:22 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone > > I recently compiled up the full > > 'purple tape' from > > Come on Pilgrim and the CD and it sounded superb. > > I was just going to mention this. I think it's the great > lost Pixies album. Oh yeah - in case you're curious... Leviate Me The Holiday Song I've Been Tired Break My Body Down To The Well Rockaway Soul I'm Amazed Build High In Heaven Caribou Here Comes Your Man Subbacultcha Vamos Broken Face Nimrod's Son Isla de Encanta Ed Is Dead The "Purple" tape is the original Pixies demo tape, put together by Fort Apache owner Gary Smith. This 17 track tape is what Ivo Watts-Russell heard, and picked 8 songs from, which were released as "Come On Pilgrim": Caribou, Vamos, Isla de Encanta, Ed Is Dead, The Holiday Song, Nimrod's Son, I've Been Tired, Leviate Me Years later, the rest of the tracks were released on an album called "Pixies" Broken Face Build High Rock a My Soul Down to the Well Break My Body I'm Amazed Here Comes Your Man Subbacultcha In Heaven http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A7l867ub020jw has a good review. Plus - it has a picture of what the original Purple tape looked like. If you buy Come On Pilgrim (or have it tacked on the end of your Surfer Rosa) and Pixies, and burn a CD with the correct running order, and Normalization turned on (to correct for differing sound levels), you get a very great Pixies record. It doesn't have the 64-nitro-burning-funny-cars-in-my-garage feel of Surfer Rosa, nor the iron-hand-in-a-velvet-glove sound of Doolittle, but the natural ambience of the space they recorded in, plus the immediacy of the performance is pretty impressive. Cheers, Paul Still playing - Buffalo Daughter "Pshychic" - but it's on repeat... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:05:47 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #69 Bloody hell, you're right Tony - it's under eight quid on amazon for 5 discs! I'm going to have to do something about this... Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of rys01ajc@gold.ac.uk And don't forget the David Thomas box set "David Thomas, Monster" which features five solo albums from the eighties plus a live album. For people who already have the vinyl, you'll find that "Variations on a Theme" (featuring Richard Thompson) is virtually re-recorded and "More Places Forever" (featuring Henry Cow's Chris Cutler and Lindsay Cooper) is radically remixed. In the UK this box sells at giveaway prices. Tony. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 08:05:47 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone You've never heard 'Come on Pilgrim'?? *splutter*. You need to rectify that soonest Keith and as subsequent Derek / Dan posts have pointed out it's tagged on the end of Surfer Rosa and can be had for a fiver if you're lucky! (It's on amazon now for 4.99!!) Like Pavement's equivalent 'Perfect Sound Forever' (i.e. a longish e.p. released before the first album) it's a statement of intent which is hardly bettered by the later releases, great thought the albums immediately following them were. I envy you not yet having heard it. All this talk of Surfer Rosa reminds me of my last visit to Antwerp where we go every few years to see my wife's cousin. Her partner's musical taste sways towards the heavy rock too much for my liking but he has Surfer Rosa and we put it on and just sat and listened to it all the way through, no distractions. Paying it that sort of attention with another admirer was just great. We sat there smiling a lot as great song followed great song. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Well it was more of a case of a) for me, particularly with Surfa Rosa. I've just played the BBC cd, and thoroughly enjoyed it as always, so I think I'll pick SR up on cd if I see it cheap. Like AT Keith said about The Scream, there's some albums you love at the time and then you forget about (I did it with the 1st Only Ones album till I re-discovered it in the mid-late 80's, and I've certainly not heard The Scream in some time). But to give you an idea of how much I liked SR at the time, I can recall compiling a top 10 UK and a top 10 US LPs's of all time not long after I bought SR and it was in the American one with all-time faves like Funhouse, VU&Nico, Vega/Rev, Doors, etc. So when I say I found Doolittle disappointing after SR, this is what I was comparing it to (well, that the excellent Peel sessions). > > Does sound fresh though - I recently compiled up the full 'purple tape' from > Come on Pilgrim and the CD and it sounded superb. Never heard Pilgrim, you know. One of those I always meant to get and never did. Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #71 ******************************