From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #70 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, March 8 2004 Volume 07 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone [Bart van] RE: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] [MarkBursa@aol.c] Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts [MarkBursa@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] ["Keith Astbury"] [idealcopy] RE: hotlanta ["Jason Rogers" ] Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone [PaulRabj] Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] [PaulRabjohn@aol] RE: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 14:15:50 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone >> Derek, it's gotta be Surfer Rosa as far as I'm concerned, although this >> is a bit Sophie's Choice. The first side of Surfer is just a stunning >> rollercoaster of noise, as fresh today as the day it was minted. > > Seconded. Considering I'm the "pop fan" here, I always thought Doolittle was > just a little bit too polite and FM friendly. Keep off the biccies, Frank > and ROCK!!! I don't agree. Hearing Frank sing Tame to these ears words like polite and FM friendly don't immediately come to mind. Perhaps this only goes for Here Comes your Man. Looking at their entire output I think Doolittle is their ultimate statement (not to mention my alltime fave album). It seems to compare to Surfer Rosa like Nevermind does to Bleach. Though I like Bleach and Surfer Rosa (a lot!) imo they don't capture the whole- as much as the promise of both bands. Speaking really poppy, Franz Ferdinand in the Paradiso last night were very energetic and catchy. Nice to hear a contemporary take on 80's whiteboy funk like Talking Heads, Gang of Four, A Certain ratio, Au Pairs... even heard some Bis now and again (is there a Scottish connection?). Oh, and Bruno, the sound was quite terrific! Later that evening Joss Stone, like a Janis Joplin light, also made a soulfull appearance. Quite a voice for such a young lass, though a bit life experience wouldn't harm her presence and diction. Strong and professional band - shame they didn't seem able to break the tight soul canvas. Saw some amazing afro hairdos in the crowd! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:01:09 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] And of course John Martyn, who will henceforth tour in a wheelchair having had one of his legs amputated following a car accident. I'd also mention Robert Wyatt at this point except of course he never tours. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tisbili@aol.com MES joins FZ in the "rock from a wheelchair" club. bill E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:03:22 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney So he does. Which reminds me - has anyone noticed a similarity between Colin and 'embattled' UK defence minister Geoff Hoon? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ian B Sent: 06 March 2004 21:13 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney Good job with the photos Phil. Anybody else think Graham Lewis looks a little Brad Friedl-esque? Ian B np Laurie Anderson - Mr Heartbreak (latest bargain bin acquisition) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:18:59 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts - ----- Original Message ----- From: Miles Goosens > >Prettty much as Kenny said- the same set list, but HEY WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT > That's an excellent friggin' point, Phillip. I think it's too easy for us to be jaded and cynical about setlists. The weariness and wariness I expressed in response to the news that Wire played the same set that they've been playing for two years or so now is I think a fair enough response. However, it is more of a pre-emptive disappointment and pre-supposes that this is what they have up their sleeve for the Scotland dates. Of course, having read Colin Newman's comments it does make sense for them to perform the material they've been honing for so long now in order to give of their best to an audience that hasn't previously had the pleasure. And hopefully Miles is right with his prediction that matters might be different once they are back on more familiar terrain, so perhaps I'm jumping the gun. But for me (and I've only seen Wire a handful of times) part of the experience is not quite knowing what you're going to get, and hopefully seeing and hearing something that you didn't expect. Email postings can detract from this but can inform choice. Much as I enjoyed the ICA, the Barbican and the Metro CD I'm less interested in seeing Wire live again until they're pressing ahead with something new. If I make it to Edingurgh and it turns out to be a damn good run through the R+B set again, then that would be okay, but nowhere near as exciting - at this stage - as the emergence of something new. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 14:27:35 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu - ----- Original Message ----- From: kenny sanderson > after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The > Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy > everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on > this list to tell where to go next Kenny There seems to be little support elsewhere for the post-reformation stuff - certainly it has a more 'commercial' feel. However, I have a lot of affection for Worlds In Collision and Story Of My Life. It seems there was some sort of decision after this though that the market stab was winning few new friends and alienating the old ones, and thus Ray Gun Suitcase and Pennsylvania head off down a different route. I find a fair amount of phase 1 Ubu borderline unlistenable, some of it not very special and much of it as good as people will tell you it is. Don't stop at your acquisition of the box-set though. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:10:03 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > >>And of course John Martyn, who will henceforth tour in a wheelchair > having had one of his legs amputated following a car accident.<< Complications of diabetes, not an accident... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 11:17:19 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu > >>There seems to be little support elsewhere for the post-reformation stuff > - > certainly it has a more 'commercial' feel. However, I have a lot of > affection for Worlds In Collision and Story Of My Life.<< I've said this before I'm sure, but Cloudland is a really good album, easily the best of the post-reformation stuff. >> It seems there was > some sort of decision after this though that the > market stab was winning few new friends and alienating the old ones, and thus > Ray Gun Suitcase and > Pennsylvania head off down a different route. I find a fair amount of phase > 1 Ubu borderline unlistenable, some of it not very special and much of it as > good as people will tell you it is. << It does get more quirky, especially from New Picnic Time onwards. Dub Housing has some of those elements in place, and the post-Tom Herman stuff (Art of Walking onwards) is hard going. But The Modern Dance is a classic - in my all-time top 10. And the singles preceding it are among the key records of the era - post punk, if you like, but before punk had happened. How much of Heart of Darkness was co-opted into Joy Division's sound? >> Don't > stop at your acquisition of the box-set though.<< It's a really worthwhile purchase, especially with the extra disc of 'Cleveland Scene' stuff from 74-76. The Rocket from the Tombs (D Thomas' pre-Ubu band) compilation (the day the earth met RFTT) is also well worth having. Cleveland is a real shit-hole of a town so it's understandable something mutant would develop there. Considerable similarities to the Sheffield scene a few years later in the UK... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 12:18:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts > If I make it to Edingurgh and it turns out to be a damn good run through > the > R+B set again, then that would be okay, but nowhere near as exciting - at > this stage - as the emergence of something new. > The omens should be good - the last Edinburgh gig in December '00 was a real pointer to the future - as well as the last outing for some the '00 'classic' set we got Germ Ship, a version of ALly in Exile that featured the I Don't Understand riff, and an as-yet unreleased e-bow drone-fest called Zoom. The pivotal moment in the Wire reunion. The only downside was it was 15 months before we saw them again! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:17:01 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > > >>And of course John Martyn, who will henceforth tour in a wheelchair > > having had one of his legs amputated following a car accident.<< > > Complications of diabetes, not an accident... Shit. I didn't know that. That's really, really terrible. When was this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 20:23:21 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: hotlanta >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:33:46 -0600 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: [idealcopy] hotlanta > >hmmm ... just announced by the atlanta venue where wire played in 9/02 & >mission of burma & the fall gigged last year -- > >Friday, April 16th sees the return of The Fall (supporting one of their >best >records in a long time) with Dan Melchior's Broke Revue. This is a temptation, yessirree. The Fall show here last year wasn't perfect by any means, but I'm inclined to see them again simply for the fact that I know the songs from the new album (and several other albums) now and that I know the crowd will be fun. I'm in savings mode right now, though, as I'm looking for a new place to live very quickly. I might have to pass up on a few good shows in the near future (David Bowie at Chastain, Stereolab at Variety, Einsturzende Neubauten at Masquerade, etc. We'll see, though. The Fall show does sound like a blast. By the way, The Church were awesome at Variety Playhouse this past Wednesday. The setlist consisted mainly of stuff from the (excellent) new album, but they also found room for: "Under The Milky Way", "Destination", "Reptile", "Tantalized", "Myrrh", and......most importantly, in my opinion...."You Took" from The Blurred Crusade. Great show. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Find things fast with the new MSN Toolbar  includes FREE pop-up blocking! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:50:05 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ F. Ferdinand / J. Stone In a message dated 07/03/2004 13:19:00 GMT Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > I don't agree. Hearing Frank sing Tame to these ears words like polite and > FM friendly don't immediately come to mind. Perhaps this only goes for Here > Comes your Man. Looking at their entire output I think Doolittle is their > ultimate statement (not to mention my alltime fave album). It seems to > compare to Surfer Rosa like Nevermind does to Bleach. Though I like Bleach > and Surfer Rosa (a lot!) imo they don't capture the whole- as much as the > promise of both bands. > ///////// well "la la love you" is pretty FM........ probably said it before , but i always felt surfer rosa was the one and it was a gradual slide down from there , doolittle is still a great album but i prefer the rougher , fresher SR. got me tickets for the UK shows , but i'm not sure whether to get my hopes up too much here. whereas with wire i felt there was a lot of unfinished business , by "trompe le monde" i thought the pixies had run their course. strangely i play the breeders much more than the pixies these days , seems more "contemporary" somehow. whereas back then i never thought kim would come up with much at all. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 15:51:40 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] i recall siouxsie did a tour with a leg in plaster , but went for a throne rather than a wheelchair (surprise , surprise). maybe MES might consider that option? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:17:32 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] About a year ago. And at the risk of challenging the GA wearer, I thought that the amputation was a direct result of the accident, albeit at some remove - infection set in and it had to come off. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 07 March 2004 19:17 To: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > > >>And of course John Martyn, who will henceforth tour in a wheelchair > > having had one of his legs amputated following a car accident.<< > > Complications of diabetes, not an accident... Shit. I didn't know that. That's really, really terrible. When was this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 21:49:51 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] - ----- Original Message ----- From: > i recall siouxsie did a tour with a leg in plaster , but went for a throne > rather than a wheelchair (surprise , surprise). maybe MES might consider that > option? p I just got off the phone from a mate of mine who's a real enthusiastig gig-goer. He's been in Manchetsre this weekend and caught some event featuring MES, Pete Shelley, Howard Devoto and John Cooper Clarke. He said it was absolutely execrable - the kind of surreally bad evening that he'll be talking about for years with the crowd he went with. Apparently it was predominently spoken word from all four contributors, and that Smith seemed to be determined to not let anybody see him in the wheelchair, being wheeled up to sit behind a desk on the stage, chair remaining out of the audiences line of sight.. It seems John Cooper Clarke saved the evening. He also did some stuff to musical accompaniment (Beasley Street accompanied by violin and - I think - guitar; now that I'd like to see). Ian B PS another one for the wheelchair hall of fame - Vic Chesnutt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:33:59 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] I googled this and also came across the car accident theory, but as you say after what had appeared a relatively minor injury and subsequent complications. Maybe this is where the diabetes comes into it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: "'Keith Astbury'" ; ; Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > About a year ago. And at the risk of challenging the GA wearer, I > thought that the amputation was a direct result of the accident, albeit > at some remove - infection set in and it had to come off. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Keith Astbury > Sent: 07 March 2004 19:17 > To: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > > > > >>And of course John Martyn, who will henceforth tour in a > wheelchair > > > having had one of his legs amputated following a car accident.<< > > > > Complications of diabetes, not an accident... > > Shit. I didn't know that. That's really, really terrible. > > When was this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 22:50:14 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > i recall siouxsie did a tour with a leg in plaster , but went for a throne > rather than a wheelchair (surprise , surprise). maybe MES might consider that > option? p I saw Siouxsie on that tour (Liverpool, 1985). She made a bit of theatre out of it and was carried on - in the dark - by two guys in panto-like black outfits with white skeletons on them... I don't remember a throne as such, I just recall her being a perched on top of a high chair. And whilst I regretted not seeing her do her usual stage movements, she somehow overcome it and made it into a great gig. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:35:08 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > About a year ago. And at the risk of challenging the GA wearer, I > thought that the amputation was a direct result of the accident, albeit > at some remove - infection set in and it had to come off. > I suspect we're both right - had he not been diabetic, it wouldn't have become infected. Likewise had he not been injured... He hasn't exactly looked after himself, has he.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 19:36:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > >>PS another one for the wheelchair hall of fame - Vic Chesnutt<< > > And of course Robert Wyatt, on TOTP, doing I'm a believer... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 02:18:14 +0000 From: "kenny sanderson" Subject: [idealcopy] gigs/wire in scotland just adding another gig to the slew of good ones you got coming up in dear old Blighty....for all you Can fans... Damo Suzuki is playing the Bull and Gate, Kentish Town tonight, Monday 8th March Damo Suzuki is playing the Bull and Gate, Kentish Town tonight, Monday 8th March I saw him a few weeks back in a hole in Tokyo...a great night...Damo's voise sounded incredible also I'll be so surprised if some new Wire material isn't debuted at the upcoming scotland shows...doesn't seem to fit in with the Wire aesthetic if the current set is given another run through in Britain..... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 15:56:52 +1100 From: Hamish MacKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney At 8:49 PM +1100 6/3/04, Phillip Blakeney wrote: >The Wire Sydney gig at The Gaelic Club in Sydney was a much more powerful >show than the Brisbane one. There was maybe 4 or 5 hundred there, Perhaps even more - the bottom floor holds 450, that got full then they opened up the top which'd hold another hundred odd. > the reaction was much more animated than it had been in on Tuesday. The >band seemed to feed off this. yes, they went off and the crowd went off - specially upfront. Manny made a comment to me about the spectacle of seeing a bunch of 40somethings pogoing, and despite my jumping up and down like a fart on fire my creaky bones felt oright next day - boy that was good! Funny how I was able to pick you out Phillip - I guessed a camera wielding bloke wearing a home made Wire t-shirt had to be a reasonably hard-core fanatic. And my, Phillip had stars in his eyes!! >I think I described "Pink Flag"as SWIRLING in Brisbane: well in in Sydney >it was SNARLING, with a huuuuuuuge finish. That (penultimate) finale was just about worth the admission alone. I'm shocking at providing elucidative non-fiction, so I'll not attempt any sort of review, perhaps also because I spent most time just being "moved". I would have liked to have seen the Melbourne gig and take in some of their technique and so on. > Again a good audience mix of oldies but quite a few young punters, A veritable who's who of the local 80's music scene in fact - Wire can be well please with who they pulled out - old Though Criminals, Severed Heads, Systematics, Nervous System to name a few. I chatted briefly to Graham Lewis afterwards which was quite the thill considering how much I admire his stuff with Wire/Dome/Deut Emmo etc etc. He certainly seemed to enjoy the evening, proclaiming at the end of the final encore "Thank you! It's been worth the wait!" And if he or any other Wirer should read this a bloody big thanks to you lot for coming down here. And maybe come again some time eh? Great to see chat here about Pere Ubu. I had the pleasure of seeing them on their first tour here 5 or so years back - that was huge. Another first here the week before Wire was Linton Kwesi Johnson, same venue even. That was phenomenal also. I'm a happy chappy currently. Now if only JCC would come down under again..... Cheers Hamish (ps, I rather liked the Menswear Daydreamer track too. There is, however, only one Wire) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:58:28 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] In a message dated 3/7/04 7:41:22 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >I suspect we're both right - had he not been diabetic, it wouldn't have > >become infected. Likewise had he not been injured... He hasn't exactly >looked after >himself, has he.... a gold anorak i wish i didn't have to wear, but the correct answer is probably more along the lines of "had he not been diabetic, the infection probably would've healed and amputation wouldn't have been necessary" and i certainly don't know the guy, but i hope the diabetes wouldn't lead anyone to assume that he hasn't looked after himself - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:12:21 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] No, what Mark was alluding to about John Martyn not looking after himself referred to his drinking habit rather than his diabetes (I acknowledge this isn't clear in the context if you don't know his background). He has had a drinking problem for years. The last time I saw him, about three years ago with Danny Thompson, he was almost completely incoherent, which was not just a function of his Glasweigian accent. He could still sing the songs though. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: 08 March 2004 04:58 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] In a message dated 3/7/04 7:41:22 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: >I suspect we're both right - had he not been diabetic, it wouldn't have > >become infected. Likewise had he not been injured... He hasn't exactly >looked after >himself, has he.... a gold anorak i wish i didn't have to wear, but the correct answer is probably more along the lines of "had he not been diabetic, the infection probably would've healed and amputation wouldn't have been necessary" and i certainly don't know the guy, but i hope the diabetes wouldn't lead anyone to assume that he hasn't looked after himself - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 08:15:50 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney Can I add to the thanks to our Oz and Japanese contingents for these reports. It's fun to read the enthusiasm of people who haven't seen the boys before or for donkeys years, unlike us Brits who take it all for granted. I see the 50 quid bloke is alive and well in Sydney judging by Hamish's description below! Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Hamish MacKenzie Sent: 08 March 2004 04:57 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney At 8:49 PM +1100 6/3/04, Phillip Blakeney wrote: >The Wire Sydney gig at The Gaelic Club in Sydney was a much more powerful >show than the Brisbane one. There was maybe 4 or 5 hundred there, Perhaps even more - the bottom floor holds 450, that got full then they opened up the top which'd hold another hundred odd. > the reaction was much more animated than it had been in on Tuesday. The >band seemed to feed off this. yes, they went off and the crowd went off - specially upfront. Manny made a comment to me about the spectacle of seeing a bunch of 40somethings pogoing, and despite my jumping up and down like a fart on fire my creaky bones felt oright next day - boy that was good! Funny how I was able to pick you out Phillip - I guessed a camera wielding bloke wearing a home made Wire t-shirt had to be a reasonably hard-core fanatic. And my, Phillip had stars in his eyes!! >I think I described "Pink Flag"as SWIRLING in Brisbane: well in in Sydney >it was SNARLING, with a huuuuuuuge finish. That (penultimate) finale was just about worth the admission alone. I'm shocking at providing elucidative non-fiction, so I'll not attempt any sort of review, perhaps also because I spent most time just being "moved". I would have liked to have seen the Melbourne gig and take in some of their technique and so on. > Again a good audience mix of oldies but quite a few young punters, A veritable who's who of the local 80's music scene in fact - Wire can be well please with who they pulled out - old Though Criminals, Severed Heads, Systematics, Nervous System to name a few. I chatted briefly to Graham Lewis afterwards which was quite the thill considering how much I admire his stuff with Wire/Dome/Deut Emmo etc etc. He certainly seemed to enjoy the evening, proclaiming at the end of the final encore "Thank you! It's been worth the wait!" And if he or any other Wirer should read this a bloody big thanks to you lot for coming down here. And maybe come again some time eh? Great to see chat here about Pere Ubu. I had the pleasure of seeing them on their first tour here 5 or so years back - that was huge. Another first here the week before Wire was Linton Kwesi Johnson, same venue even. That was phenomenal also. I'm a happy chappy currently. Now if only JCC would come down under again..... Cheers Hamish (ps, I rather liked the Menswear Daydreamer track too. There is, however, only one Wire) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:36:43 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] further, i know next to nothing about biology & such, but i gather that drinking is a very bad idea for diabetics. *sigh* (as for me, i can't drink anymore because my digestive system just won't put up with it. jesus, i can't even consume a soft drink, for that matter.) dan >No, what Mark was alluding to about John Martyn not looking after >himself referred to his drinking habit rather than his diabetes (I >acknowledge this isn't clear in the context if you don't know his >background). He has had a drinking problem for years. The last time I >saw him, about three years ago with Danny Thompson, he was almost >completely incoherent, which was not just a function of his Glasweigian >accent. He could still sing the songs though. > >Another the Keith > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On >Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com >Sent: 08 March 2004 04:58 >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > >In a message dated 3/7/04 7:41:22 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >>I suspect we're both right - had he not been diabetic, it wouldn't have >> >>become infected. Likewise had he not been injured... He hasn't exactly >>looked after >>himself, has he.... > >a gold anorak i wish i didn't have to wear, but the correct answer is >probably more along the lines of "had he not been diabetic, the >infection probably >would've healed and amputation wouldn't have been necessary" > >and i certainly don't know the guy, but i hope the diabetes wouldn't >lead >anyone to assume that he hasn't looked after himself > >-paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:42:11 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu sums up my sentiments quite nicely ... for me they pretty much started being too self-consciously obscure after modern dance (probably i ought to go back & replay dub housing, though -- it has, after all, been nearly 25 years). then the late '80s & '90s stuff struck me as winningly idiosyncratic as often as not, with several gems featured (oh catherine should've been a hit ... too bad it's my first wife's name, but then one can't have everything). most recently, st arkansas was one of my favorite releases of 2002. dan, still trying to figure out yesterday's dream about ron & russell mael jointly running for mayor of my hometown ... >----- Original Message ----- > >Kenny >There seems to be little support elsewhere for the post-reformation stuff - >certainly it has a more 'commercial' feel. However, I have a lot of >affection for Worlds In Collision and Story Of My Life. It seems there was >some sort of decision after this though that the market stab was winning few >new friends and alienating the old ones, and thus Ray Gun Suitcase and >Pennsylvania head off down a different route. >I find a fair amount of phase 1 Ubu borderline unlistenable, some of it not >very special and much of it as good as people will tell you it is. Don't >stop at your acquisition of the box-set though. >Ian ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #70 ******************************