From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #68 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, March 6 2004 Volume 07 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney [=?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= ] [idealcopy] Re: ...WIRE ripoffs [Ian Grant ] [idealcopy] Robert wrote..... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert wrote..... [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] a Wire coincidence.. [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Robert wrote..... [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] Fwd: [mute] This Week at Mute (w/c 01/03/04) ["Derek Whit] Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Piece of paper with David Bowie on it ["Derek White" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore ["Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire at Sydney G'day all The Wire Sydney gig at The Gaelic Club in Sydney was a much more powerful show than the Brisbane one. There was maybe 4 or 5 hundred there, (compared to 200 odd in Bribane) and the reaction was much more animated than it had been in on Tuesday. The band seemed to feed off this. I think I described "Pink Flag"as SWIRLING in Brisbane: well in in Sydney it was SNARLING, with a huuuuuuuge finish. Again a good audience mix of oldies but quite a few young punters, and apparently quite a few who were having a dream fulfilled! The set was the same as before, but the crowd was sufficiently pumped to gain a third encore, which a great version of "Reuters". I have loaded another dozen or so photos to http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pdblakeney/ and I expect there will also be a few Melbourne shots in a couple of days once I have made the pilgrimage there. Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:53:59 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Go Pere Ubu crazy ;) & get the Datapanik Box Set (Remastered, corrected speed & only a couple of things missing of essential Ubu) Now to find the Real World... Tim For those who can't afford the Datapanik set the Terminal Tower disc, Modern Dance and Dub Housing pretty much covers all the interesting material, I'd have thought. I quite like Cloudland but the the later stuff tends to wash over me a bit. Corrected speed though... are any of the CDs wrong, then? Bruno - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kenny sanderson" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious choice... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. 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Yes, i agree the 1st three Lp releases are the ones to aquire first - The Modern Dance, Data Panic in the Year Zero 12", Dub Housing & New Picnic Time Not Happy / Lonesome Cowboy Dave isn't in the Box Set. The Hearpen 7" Box is great (Beautifully Packaged) also! Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" To: "'idealcopy@smoe.org'" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:53:59 -0000 Go Pere Ubu crazy ;) & get the Datapanik Box Set (Remastered, corrected speed & only a couple of things missing of essential Ubu) Now to find the Real World... Tim For those who can't afford the Datapanik set the Terminal Tower disc, Modern Dance and Dub Housing pretty much covers all the interesting material, I'd have thought. I quite like Cloudland but the the later stuff tends to wash over me a bit. Corrected speed though... are any of the CDs wrong, then? Bruno - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kenny sanderson" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious choice... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. 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Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/millionaire/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:27:52 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spears and Hooks > Haven't heard the new single, but if it really does have "the best Peter > Hook Bassline since Regret" then I hope Paul Morley doesn't get to hear it > as if he did.....his exploding gonads would probably cause a tidal wave of > semen which would engulf the entire Greater Manchester district, drowning me > and my family and close friends. what a way to go. It's already started. It's called Canal Street ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 18:30:39 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Bug Report http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/bugs.html Some of the originally released Cd's & vinyl according to the 'Bug Report' in the booklet with the Box Set & David Thomas's meticulous approach! Yes, i agree the 1st three Lp releases are the ones to aquire first - The Modern Dance, Data Panic in the Year Zero 12", Dub Housing & New Picnic Time Not Happy / Lonesome Cowboy Dave isn't in the Box Set. The Hearpen 7" Box is great (Beautifully Packaged) also! Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" To: "'idealcopy@smoe.org'" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:53:59 -0000 Go Pere Ubu crazy ;) & get the Datapanik Box Set (Remastered, corrected speed & only a couple of things missing of essential Ubu) Now to find the Real World... Tim For those who can't afford the Datapanik set the Terminal Tower disc, Modern Dance and Dub Housing pretty much covers all the interesting material, I'd have thought. I quite like Cloudland but the the later stuff tends to wash over me a bit. Corrected speed though... are any of the CDs wrong, then? Bruno - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kenny sanderson" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious choice... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotmail ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ You could be a genius! Find out by taking the IQ Test 2003. $5.50 (incl GST). Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/testaustralia/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:40:57 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu There's no doubt, Kenny, that you need the early singles, as Datapanik in the Year Zero, Final Solution and Heart of Darkness (for starters) are songs that stand with the finest ever recorded by anyone - he said, airily, but I think that's justifiable if one is on an Ubu evangelism trip. Dub Housing is also essential, even better than Modern Dance as an album IMHO, although it's marginal (nos 2 & 3 in the Knight Top Ten of 1978 IIRC, Siouxsie's 'The Scream being #1 - God, I loved that album and now hardly ever think of it). I also like quite a bit of New Picnic Time but it paled in comparison to what had gone before. The reformed Ubu stuff is, as Bruno says, less necessary but there is some good stuff there - just no blow-you-away album. And, if you haven't done so, you need to catch David Thomas live at some point, if not with Ubu than with Two Pale Boys or UBUDOLL, or however. One of the great live raconteurs and like Wire someone who makes me grin a lot when I see him - although in Thomas's case it's usually because he's telling good stories or wearing an apron wired up as a musical instrument. I once saw Ubu supporting Pixies - what a double bill that was! My favourite Ubu moment was shortly after they reformed at the Marquee, when they asked the audience for suggestions on what they should play and gave the person a quid if they couldn't do it. A great version of Datapanik that night. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 06 March 2004 09:54 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Go Pere Ubu crazy ;) & get the Datapanik Box Set (Remastered, corrected speed & only a couple of things missing of essential Ubu) Now to find the Real World... Tim For those who can't afford the Datapanik set the Terminal Tower disc, Modern Dance and Dub Housing pretty much covers all the interesting material, I'd have thought. I quite like Cloudland but the the later stuff tends to wash over me a bit. Corrected speed though... are any of the CDs wrong, then? Bruno - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kenny sanderson" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious choice... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotma il ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 10:41:09 +0000 From: Ian Grant Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ...WIRE ripoffs At 09:30 06/03/2004, Derek wrote: >I'd kinda like to hear it again, sometime, just to see if my initial >impressions are still borne out. Did the band ever acknowledge where >they'sd sourced their (ahem) 'inspiration' from? >IMHO, it'd be cheeky NOT TO...... Yeah, they did. At the time, Wire influences were worn proudly, and being accused of a direct rip-off seemed to be something of a badge of honour. If I recall correctly - and I probably don't, since Menswear interviews have never played a large part in my life - their vocalist was particularly smug in claiming that "154" was his favourite Wire album rather than the ubiquitous "Pink Flag", as if he'd wandered far from the beaten track by making it to the third record. It struck me at that moment that the wait to hear bands influenced by "The First Letter" might be a rather long one.... > >(and Being Brave for that matter). >/// I don't think I know that one... Rubbish band in every other respect, but "Being Brave" is an utterly wonderful record. That rare single that you'll probably only listen to once every five years...but when you do, it'll be about five times in a row. And then another five times later on in the day. And then back on the shelf until next time. Cheers, ig. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 03:16:21 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Robert wrote..... RL > p.s. i hope i didn't give Ari or Bart any funny money-making ideas....< Bart >Making money is a serious business young man, even if that means having no undies left after a couple of overzealous ebay-nights.< Me So tell me Robert,did the last lot you bid on from my e-bay post actually fit you? Ari Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:49:16 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert wrote..... In a message dated 3/6/04 5:16:44 AM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Bart > >Making money is a serious business young man, even if that means having > no undies left after a couple of overzealous ebay-nights.< > Me > So tell me Robert,did the last lot you bid on from my e-bay post actually > fit you? Ari > no....they were a bit too small... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 07:53:42 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] a Wire coincidence.. I live in a little area on the very edge of St. Louis called University City....it's not really a suburb or county but an incorporated part of the city....it's also considered one of the main cultural hubs of the area because of the diversity.....many students from all over the world live in the area because of the close proximity of Washington University and St. Louis University.... i just found out that the name of the founder of this pleasant little burg is: E.G. Lewis nice. RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:33:29 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert wrote..... >> So tell me Robert,did the last lot you bid on from my e-bay >> post actually fit you? Ari > no....they were a bit too small... Big ass Robert? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 14:35:45 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Fwd: [mute] This Week at Mute (w/c 01/03/04) >* Dave Gahan - "Live Monsters" >"Filmed at the Olympia in Paris ...........with interviews of Gahan and the >band, plus a new acoustic version of **** 'Dirty Sticky Floors'...****" Hmm. Has the man Gahan got some sort of obsessive/compulsive "Urgh-NASTY!" sorta thing going on with said floors? It'd go some way to explaining that rather odd bit of 'folk-dancing' he did at last year's Glastonbury. (ie That which Keith A. memorably described as looking "like a simpleton breaking his new shoes in"...) :-) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. 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How did that Mrs Merton 'interveiw' question go? :- "Now then, Ms (Zeta Jones), exactly what *was* it that first attracted you to the millionaire..... [insert name of wisened has-been of your choice here] :-) _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 15:22:52 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Well, Keith you were certainly at some good gigs... Terminal Tower removes the need to get the Datapanik 12" (a reissue of the early 7" singles)as it includes all the tracks, along with Final Solution (which was reissued on 7" at about the same time) - having said that I've got the vinyl (reissue) versions in my attic. My TT is the US-issue '98 remaster so should be at the right speed, etc. Dub Housing is probably the better album but opinions are fiercely divided (ie Mr Prindle, at markprindle.com, says: MAN, what a disappointment after that first one. This one is just a bunch of halfassed nonsense - dicking around, noise making, pretentious goofy crap with hardly any melodies at all). Sadly, as Kenny will find, buying later Ubu CDs will not add to your enjoyment and I fear they will sit on the your shelf, like mine, unplayed for years... That's not to say I wouldn't go to see them live, given half a chance. Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Knight [mailto:steeleknight@lineone.net] Sent: 06 March 2004 10:41 To: 'Clements, Bruno - BUP'; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu There's no doubt, Kenny, that you need the early singles, as Datapanik in the Year Zero, Final Solution and Heart of Darkness (for starters) are songs that stand with the finest ever recorded by anyone - he said, airily, but I think that's justifiable if one is on an Ubu evangelism trip. Dub Housing is also essential, even better than Modern Dance as an album IMHO, although it's marginal (nos 2 & 3 in the Knight Top Ten of 1978 IIRC, Siouxsie's 'The Scream being #1 - God, I loved that album and now hardly ever think of it). I also like quite a bit of New Picnic Time but it paled in comparison to what had gone before. The reformed Ubu stuff is, as Bruno says, less necessary but there is some good stuff there - just no blow-you-away album. And, if you haven't done so, you need to catch David Thomas live at some point, if not with Ubu than with Two Pale Boys or UBUDOLL, or however. One of the great live raconteurs and like Wire someone who makes me grin a lot when I see him - although in Thomas's case it's usually because he's telling good stories or wearing an apron wired up as a musical instrument. I once saw Ubu supporting Pixies - what a double bill that was! My favourite Ubu moment was shortly after they reformed at the Marquee, when they asked the audience for suggestions on what they should play and gave the person a quid if they couldn't do it. A great version of Datapanik that night. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 06 March 2004 09:54 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Go Pere Ubu crazy ;) & get the Datapanik Box Set (Remastered, corrected speed & only a couple of things missing of essential Ubu) Now to find the Real World... Tim For those who can't afford the Datapanik set the Terminal Tower disc, Modern Dance and Dub Housing pretty much covers all the interesting material, I'd have thought. I quite like Cloudland but the the later stuff tends to wash over me a bit. Corrected speed though... are any of the CDs wrong, then? Bruno - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kenny sanderson" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious choice... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotma il ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:22:51 -0600 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu well Dub Housing and then the Art of Walking would be the "historically correct" way of following Ubu's career. And IMHO both are great, revolutionary (for the time) albums. The early 45s (pre Modern Dance) should be compiled on a CD somewhere - there used to be an ep called Datapanik in the Year Zero which was seminal. I think Twin Tone had/has a CD comp called Terminal Drive (or something like that) http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenny sanderson" To: Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu > after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The > Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy > everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on > this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious > choice... > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:35:16 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore To remedy a long-standing oversight in my CD pile, I'm buying *something* by the Pixies later on: the local record chainstore (MusicZone) has both "Surfa Rosa" and "Doolittle" in the racks for #4:97 each. It's an either/or choice today: would any of you IC'ers care to recommend which of the two to get for starters? ( I had a compilation tape of their stuff for yonks, until the machinery chewed it up a while back. There was no tracklisting or other details, so I'm not sure *what* songs were on what album, apart from "Monkey's gone to heaven" which I liked a lot.) PS: The record store in question is one of the 'pile'em high, sell'em cheap' sort of operations, so has some odd gaps in their stock. F'rinstance, whilst they had two copies of My Bloody Valentine's "Isn't anything..", they *didn't* have "Loveless", which was what I'd gone looking for. As for stocking Wire material, while I *was* glad to see that they had both "Pink Flag" AND "Chairs Missing" in the racks, less heartening was the conspicuously absent "Send", or indeed *any* other stuff by 'our boys'....:-i Guess Harvest/EMI's distribution is more pervasive. DW ps Keep the tour pics coming, Philip in Oz.......:-) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 15:47:05 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Piece of paper with David Bowie on it >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Piece of paper with David Bowie on it >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:39:43 EST > > > This is for sale on ebay. Now who's name can we write and then sell ; ) > >Someone has actually bought this. Genius. > >Mark //// I, too, have in my hand a pice of paper [Cue Neville Chaimberlain-style flourish of said sheet], and on that paper 'I have written the names of' Elvis Presley,Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, JFK , Martin Luther King, Marylin Munroe and other sundry valuab- I mean 'dead' people. Would anybody care to start the bidding at, say, a holiday home in Bali, and a Ferrari Testarossa?...... ;-)) Jeez, P.T. Barnum wasn't far off the mark, was he? See y'all Monday, by which time I expect the bidding to be up to "A large number of the Maldives" and a Space Shuttle or two....:-) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:30:51 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: OT.. Pere Ubu >- ----Original Message Follows---- >From: "kenny sanderson" >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu >Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 > >after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The >Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy >everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on >this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious >choice... > A few months ago, I decided to finally buy some Pere Ubu material. I bought The Modern Dance, Dub Housing, New Picnic Time, and Terminal Tower all at once because Tower Records was selling them for eleven dollars apiece or something like that. Dub Housing is a great second choice, as is the singles compilation, Terminal Tower. I wish that I had caught the Pere Ubu show at Echo Lounge a couple of years ago. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:30:52 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu An hour after I wrote this I was wandering around the town centre when it hit me that I'd claimed that 'Datapanik in the Year Zero' was a song when what I MEANT was '30 Seconds over Tokyo', which can of course be found on the e.p. 'Datapanik...' Fortunately no-one seems to have picked this up yet (the Golden Anorak wearer presumably being otherwise engaged) so I think I've got away with it. Phew. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Knight Sent: 06 March 2004 10:41 To: 'Clements, Bruno - BUP'; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu There's no doubt, Kenny, that you need the early singles, as Datapanik in the Year Zero, Final Solution and Heart of Darkness (for starters) are songs that stand with the finest ever recorded by anyone - he said, airily, but I think that's justifiable if one is on an Ubu evangelism trip. Dub Housing is also essential, even better than Modern Dance as an album IMHO, although it's marginal (nos 2 & 3 in the Knight Top Ten of 1978 IIRC, Siouxsie's 'The Scream being #1 - God, I loved that album and now hardly ever think of it). I also like quite a bit of New Picnic Time but it paled in comparison to what had gone before. The reformed Ubu stuff is, as Bruno says, less necessary but there is some good stuff there - just no blow-you-away album. And, if you haven't done so, you need to catch David Thomas live at some point, if not with Ubu than with Two Pale Boys or UBUDOLL, or however. One of the great live raconteurs and like Wire someone who makes me grin a lot when I see him - although in Thomas's case it's usually because he's telling good stories or wearing an apron wired up as a musical instrument. I once saw Ubu supporting Pixies - what a double bill that was! My favourite Ubu moment was shortly after they reformed at the Marquee, when they asked the audience for suggestions on what they should play and gave the person a quid if they couldn't do it. A great version of Datapanik that night. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 06 March 2004 09:54 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Go Pere Ubu crazy ;) & get the Datapanik Box Set (Remastered, corrected speed & only a couple of things missing of essential Ubu) Now to find the Real World... Tim For those who can't afford the Datapanik set the Terminal Tower disc, Modern Dance and Dub Housing pretty much covers all the interesting material, I'd have thought. I quite like Cloudland but the the later stuff tends to wash over me a bit. Corrected speed though... are any of the CDs wrong, then? Bruno - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "kenny sanderson" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:46:48 +0000 after years of interest i finally remembered to buy myself a copy of "The Modern Dance" it really is fantastic...I know now that I will have to buy everything they put out..just wondering if there were any enthusiasts on this list to tell where to go next.."Dub Housing" seems the obvious choice... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _________________________________________________________________ Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp?banner=emailtag&referrer=hotma il ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:33:30 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore Derek, it's gotta be Surfer Rosa as far as I'm concerned, although this is a bit Sophie's Choice. The first side of Surfer is just a stunning rollercoaster of noise, as fresh today as the day it was minted. But if you've bought Doolittle instead you've hardly made a wrong choice. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Derek White Sent: 06 March 2004 15:35 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore To remedy a long-standing oversight in my CD pile, I'm buying *something* by the Pixies later on: the local record chainstore (MusicZone) has both "Surfa Rosa" and "Doolittle" in the racks for #4:97 each. It's an either/or choice today: would any of you IC'ers care to recommend which of the two to get for starters? ( I had a compilation tape of their stuff for yonks, until the machinery chewed it up a while back. There was no tracklisting or other details, so I'm not sure *what* songs were on what album, apart from "Monkey's gone to heaven" which I liked a lot.) PS: The record store in question is one of the 'pile'em high, sell'em cheap' sort of operations, so has some odd gaps in their stock. F'rinstance, whilst they had two copies of My Bloody Valentine's "Isn't anything..", they *didn't* have "Loveless", which was what I'd gone looking for. As for stocking Wire material, while I *was* glad to see that they had both "Pink Flag" AND "Chairs Missing" in the racks, less heartening was the conspicuously absent "Send", or indeed *any* other stuff by 'our boys'....:-i Guess Harvest/EMI's distribution is more pervasive. DW ps Keep the tour pics coming, Philip in Oz.......:-) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:32:58 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fw: Piece of paper with David Bowie on it > //// I, too, have in my hand a pice of paper [Cue Neville > Chaimberlain-style flourish of said sheet], and on that paper 'I have > written the names of' Elvis Presley,Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Janis > Joplin, Kurt Cobain, JFK , Martin Luther King, Marylin Munroe and other > sundry valuab- I mean 'dead' people. > Would anybody care to start the bidding at, say, a holiday home > in Bali, and a Ferrari Testarossa?...... ;-)) Only as long as you promise to spell Marilyn Monroe properly ; ) On a different note, anyone else notice Lyndsey Buckingham name-dropping The Clash and Gang of Four when talking about Tusk in this months Uncut!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:41:46 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in chainstore > Derek, it's gotta be Surfer Rosa as far as I'm concerned, although this > is a bit Sophie's Choice. The first side of Surfer is just a stunning > rollercoaster of noise, as fresh today as the day it was minted. Seconded. Considering I'm the "pop fan" here, I always thought Doolittle was just a little bit too polite and FM friendly. Keep off the biccies, Frank and ROCK!!! I haven't played Surfa Rose in a long time, but I thought it was an absolute classic at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:06:37 EST From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re:[idealcopy] Rocking chairs [was Mark E Smith's Fall] > he was hovering around the other hotel > guests "asking for a light". > As there seemed to be not many smokers in the immediate area, Mr. Smith made > his way to the main doorway....as he reached the pavement, he slipped on > some > ice and fell, fracturing a bone and as he lay there MES joins FZ in the "rock from a wheelchair" club. Looks like the surgeon general will have to add another warning to the side of the pack: "Warning: Smoking fractures addled alt-rockers hips." bill E =-=-=-=-=-=- rp: fc kahuna - machine says yes white stripes dvd ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 12:18:37 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT: PIXIES advice....../ ON-topic: Wire CD availability in c... In a message dated 06/03/2004 16:47:02 GMT Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > Derek, it's gotta be Surfer Rosa as far as I'm concerned, although this > >is a bit Sophie's Choice. The first side of Surfer is just a stunning > >rollercoaster of noise, as fresh today as the day it was minted. > > Has to be my choice too.Great great record but Doolittle is not far behind. Chris NP The Veils - The Runaway Found ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 16:37:37 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu We were all in a laid-back mood... - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Knight [mailto:steeleknight@lineone.net] Sent: 06 March 2004 16:31 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT.. Pere Ubu An hour after I wrote this I was wandering around the town centre when it hit me that I'd claimed that 'Datapanik in the Year Zero' was a song when what I MEANT was '30 Seconds over Tokyo', which can of course be found on the e.p. 'Datapanik...' ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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