From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #64 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, March 3 2004 Volume 07 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] last night ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... [] Re: [idealcopy] great scott ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Barcelona ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... ["Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night > the set remains the same. This could be the name of the live album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:59:13 +0000 From: "kenny sanderson" Subject: [idealcopy] short wire feature thought people might be interested in reading this...nothing too enlightening...but a small feature http://metropolis.japantoday.com/tokyo/recent/music.asp - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 02:10:20 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts G'day from Australia After 25 years of waiting I have now seen Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!! Prettty much as Kenny said- the same set list, but HEY WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. So go easy on us. There were about 250 people at the Zoo in Bris-Vegas (as they call it). Disappointing numbers but it made it easy to get to the front :-) I had a chat with the lads back stage, and took a heap of photos: I will post more details tomorrow when I come down to earth. Now, Friday in Sydney and Sunday in Melbourne. Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:26:38 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] short wire feature On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 02:59:13PM +0000, kenny sanderson wrote: > thought people might be interested in reading this...nothing too > enlightening...but a small feature There is some new stuff here: "Newman now runs two record labels and an Internet business out of his home office: Pink Flag for Wire releases, Swim for emerging bands (including among them some Japanese acts), and a music download website still in development." Specifically the download part. Interesting. - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:38:06 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] short wire feature Good stuff, Kenny. Explains why they want to keep playing the Send-based set. Bruno thought people might be interested in reading this...nothing too enlightening...but a small feature http://metropolis.japantoday.com/tokyo/recent/music.asp ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:04:08 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig It would be great if you had a page to post the pix... Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Blakeney [mailto:oz_wire@yahoo.com.au] Sent: 02 March 2004 15:10 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts G'day from Australia After 25 years of waiting I have now seen Wire!!!!!!!!!!!!! Prettty much as Kenny said- the same set list, but HEY WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. So go easy on us. There were about 250 people at the Zoo in Bris-Vegas (as they call it). Disappointing numbers but it made it easy to get to the front :-) I had a chat with the lads back stage, and took a heap of photos: I will post more details tomorrow when I come down to earth. Now, Friday in Sydney and Sunday in Melbourne. Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 10:32:50 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts At 02:10 AM 3/3/2004 +1100, Phillip Blakeney wrote: >Prettty much as Kenny said- the same set list, but HEY WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT >YET. So go easy on us. That's an excellent friggin' point, Phillip. I think it's too easy for us to be jaded and cynical about setlists. Before the Internet became what it is today, we wouldn't have the luxury of setlists and show reports from every tour stop. We were freer to enjoy the "moment" in front of us, unencumbered by keeping a mental checklist of how the show does or doesn't deviate from last year's. And unless the band gets bored with the material and starts indifferently performing it, there are distinct advantages to be had by *not* mixing it up so much every night. I also suspect that when Wire returns to more recently-traversed terrain, they'll have something up their sleeves.* later, Miles *not based on insider info at all - just a hunch. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:01:28 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts Sounds like a great set list to me (I have missed out in the last couple of years). Just imagine if they aren't playing together in ten years time; those who have become fans between then and now won't be able to believe that people ever complained about a set-list like this! I'm still happy with my Edinburgh-Glasgow investment and would be in heaven if they play Glastonbury too... Well, I can dream! Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Miles Goosens [mailto:wireadmin@mindspring.com] Sent: 02 March 2004 16:33 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] Wire Brisbane Gig- Preliminary thoughts At 02:10 AM 3/3/2004 +1100, Phillip Blakeney wrote: >Prettty much as Kenny said- the same set list, but HEY WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT >YET. So go easy on us. That's an excellent friggin' point, Phillip. I think it's too easy for us to be jaded and cynical about setlists. Before the Internet became what it is today, we wouldn't have the luxury of setlists and show reports from every tour stop. We were freer to enjoy the "moment" in front of us, unencumbered by keeping a mental checklist of how the show does or doesn't deviate from last year's. And unless the band gets bored with the material and starts indifferently performing it, there are distinct advantages to be had by *not* mixing it up so much every night. I also suspect that when Wire returns to more recently-traversed terrain, they'll have something up their sleeves.* later, Miles *not based on insider info at all - just a hunch. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:50:33 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Witness To The Fact/ Country Joe & the Electric...Rabbit Rabbit > > >Turns out Graham Lewis was at the Showaddywaddy/ Neubauten > > >gig talking of Showaddywaddy supporting Einsturzende Neubaten all those yrs ago, check out who's allegedly supporting Country Joe on June 13th.... U K June 3: Acorn Theatre, Penzance, Cornwall June 6: Ryde Theatre, Isle Of Wight June 8: The Robin 2, Wolverhampton June 11: Manchester Academy June 12: Borderline, London June 13: South Parade Pier, Southsea -- "Grand Finale" with Chas & Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:01:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... > Oh no, play Lowdown, with all the football analogies. "..to avoid relegation" > etc Funny that should come to mind to a Leeds supporter at the moment, Mark ; ) For years they would play Magic by Pilot at the ennd of a Wrexham match. But only if they'd won! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:10:38 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... In a message dated 3/2/04 11:58:20 AM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > For years they would play Magic by Pilot at the ennd of a Wrexham match. But > only if they'd won! > > Keith > really? how cool! Magic is one of my favorite top 40 radio pop songs of all time ! right up there with : "I'm Not in Love" by 10cc "Sky High" by Jigsaw "Moonlight Feels Right" by Starbuck "We Don't Talk Anymore" by Cliff Richard "Strawberry Letter 23" by Brothers Johnson (cover of the Shuggie Otis song) RL sorry for that irrelevant little outburst back to more Wire live news ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:11:42 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re:[idealcopy]OT:Witness To The Fact/ Country Joe & the Electric..Rabbit Rabbit >talking of Showaddywaddy supporting Einsturzende Neubaten all >those yrs ago, check out who's allegedly supporting Country Joe on June >13th.... >June 13: South Parade Pier, Southsea -- "Grand Finale" with Chas & Dave You having a laugh, Keith? If that's for real, it's just as incongruous as Showaddywaddy & E.N. Who's the tour manager? Salvador Dali via Ouija board?? The word that springs to mind is 'surreal'..... Either that, or it's a trio of old farts who's 'glory days' are long gone, if you're being cynical. Electric Music for the mind and sideboard, anyone?.......:-) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:15:36 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... Magic is one of my favorite top 40 radio pop songs of all >time ! right up there with : >"We Don't Talk Anymore" by Cliff Richard This is possibly the only thing by the gereatric god-botherer minus The Shadows that I can take.... When I first heard it, I thought it was a Something/Anything-period Todd Rundgren out-take.....;-) _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 13:18:25 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... In a message dated 3/2/04 12:16:32 PM Central Standard Time, zak_blakk@hotmail.com writes: > This is possibly the only thing by the gereatric god-botherer minus The > Shadows that I can take.... > When I first heard it, I thought it was a Something/Anything-period Todd > Rundgren out-take.....;-) > oh wow...that is exactly what i have thought for years...it reminds me of Todd Rundgren, whose: "I Saw the Light" and "Hello It's Me" are great tunes as well.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:30:39 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: Re:[idealcopy]OT:Witness To The Fact/ Country Joe & the Electric..Rabbit Rabbit > >talking of Showaddywaddy supporting Einsturzende Neubaten all > >those yrs ago, check out who's allegedly supporting Country Joe on June > >13th.... > > >June 13: South Parade Pier, Southsea -- "Grand Finale" with Chas & Dave > > You having a laugh, Keith? Now would I do that, Derek ; ) But seriously... check out the link below if you don't believe me!! http://www.countryjoe.com/gigs.htm >If that's for real, it's just as incongruous as > Showaddywaddy & E.N. > Who's the tour manager? Salvador Dali via Ouija board?? The word that > springs to mind is 'surreal'..... Gercha. Surreal it is. Next week Renee & Renate support Crispy Ambulance ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:37:37 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: [idealcopy] [Idealcopy] OT: It's rainwear, Jim, but not as we know it...... In the light of a recent thread hereabouts, I was amused last night, when I found myself in front of the TV watching an episode of 'Star Trek:Voyager': the episode in question is called 'Year of Hell', and features a villain of the piece who's party trick is floating round the cosmos in his starship, & generally monkeying about with the fabric of space-time, (as you do..) doing stuff like causing entire civilisations to cease to exist by changing planetry preconditions. And the name of this intergalactic miscreant? Step forward............... " ANORAX..." Honest. I guess this is proof positive that the term, and it's usage when applied to a person has not traversed the pond, otherwise I don't *think* they'd have gone with that particular name. So, Mr Bursa, now we know:-*that's* what you get up to on your days off. By day, mild-mannered Wire fan. By night, intergalactic wrecker of Einstein's lifes work. Shame on you..... So, let's be having Warp 7 and 6/8ths, and don't spare the di-lithium..... ;-) _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:47:58 +0000 From: "Derek White" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... > > When I first heard it, I thought it was a Something/Anything-period >Todd > > Rundgren out-take.....;-) > > >oh wow...that is exactly what i have thought for years...it reminds me of >Todd Rundgren, whose: "I Saw the Light" and "Hello It's Me" are great tunes >as >well.. Yeah, I think they're a couple of (as the sleeve for something/anything has it) 'a bouquet of fragrant pop melodies': that was his Philly-soul fan period: IIRC there's versions of things like "La La Means I love you" and (Curtis Mayfield's??) "I'm so proud" on there too. Then he discovered psychedelics, and wigged out all over the next three albums...... As for similarities between T.R. and Cliff's effort, a pal of mine who's both a Rundgren fan AND something of an amateur musicologist insists that the similarities are down to the chords used (minor 7ths?/Major 7ths) AND the way the song is arranged. Also, the choice of Synth-pad tones are *very* similar to that period of Rundgren's output. Glad to hear we aren't the only ones to have thought this!! :-) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:20:19 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... > > > When I first heard it, I thought it was a Something/Anything-period Todd > > > Rundgren out-take.....;-) > > Yeah, I think they're a couple of (as the sleeve for something/anything has > it) 'a bouquet of fragrant pop melodies': that was his Philly-soul fan > period: IIRC there's versions of things like "La La Means I love you" and > (Curtis Mayfield's??) "I'm so proud" on there too. That was A Wizard A True Star (the only Todd LP I've got, though I have the magical Tony Blackburn endorsed I Saw the Light on 7"). > Then he discovered psychedelics, and wigged out all over the next three > albums...... Are we talking Todd or Cliff? ; ) > As for similarities between T.R. and Cliff's effort, a pal of mine who's > both a Rundgren fan AND something of an amateur musicologist insists that > the similarities are down to the chords used (minor 7ths?/Major 7ths) AND > the way the song is arranged. Also, the choice of Synth-pad tones are > *very* similar to that period of Rundgren's output. But what about Wire For Sound and it's hilarious Cliff on roller-skate video that I think has been mentioned here before. I honestly like it!! To bring this back on topic, what records do people think have bits that have been ripped off Wire (Elastica apart). I'll nominate the Olivers Army piano intro and Harmony in my Head guitar line. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:22:49 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... > > For years they would play Magic by Pilot at the ennd of a Wrexham match. But > > only if they'd won! > > > > Keith > > > > really? how cool! Magic is one of my favorite top 40 radio pop songs of all > time ! Well you're not the only Pilot fan on this site. I know of at least one other though he's been rather quiet lately. You know who you are. Where are you!! > but right up there with : > "Moonlight Feels Right" by Starbuck A mate of mine once nominated this as his fave single of all time!! I couldn't even remember it myself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:15:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] short wire feature >Specifically the download part. Interesting.< or as g.w would say 'bring it on'.......... Good article Kenny thanx for sharing,nice to see that nothing got lost in translation..............Ari - -- Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 15:23:26 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... In a message dated 3/2/04 2:15:30 PM Central Standard Time, keith.indoorminer@virgin.net writes: > > "Moonlight Feels Right" by Starbuck > > A mate of mine once nominated this as his fave single of all time!! I > couldn't even remember it myself. it's got a very nice xylophone solo in the middle..and some very nice keyboards..you know it.... here's the lyrics: The wind blew some luck in my direction I caught it in my hands today I finally made a tricky French connection You winked and gave me your o.k. I'll take you on a trip beside the ocean And drop the top at Chesapeake Bay Ain't nothing like the sky to dose a potion The moon'll send you on your way Moonlight feels right Moonlight feels right We'll lay back and observe the constellations And watch the moon smilin bright I'll play the radio on southern stations Cause southern belles are hell at night You say you came to Baltimore from Ole Miss Class of seven four gold ring The eastern moon looks ready for a wet kiss To make the tide rise again We'll see the sun come up on Sunday morning And watch it fade the moon away I guess you know I'm giving you a warning Cause me and moon are itching to play I'll take you on a trip beside the ocean And drop the top at Chesapeake Bay Ain't nothin like the sky to dose a potion The moon'll send you on your way RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 20:39:17 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 08:20:19PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > To bring this back on topic, what records do people think have bits that > have been ripped off Wire (Elastica apart). > > I'll nominate the Olivers Army piano intro C'mon, that's a lift from Dancing Queen by Abba... - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ Programme Controller, CUR1350 http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ email: andrew@lexical.org.uk Random Walk ::: Wednesday, 11pm ::: cur1350.co.uk ::: is this music? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:15:47 +1100 From: Hamish MacKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night Here's another (new) G'day. yeah. I'm stoked at the prospect of seeing Wire on Friday night, like Phillip at last after 25 odd years. It's gunna be heeyooooodge. At 2:03 AM +0000 2/3/04, kenny sanderson wrote: >" Have to say I'm very disappointed that the set remains the same.[...]" > >yes it was a little disapointing...but still a great night....it may have >something to do with the fact that this is the first time Japan. NZ, and >Oz has seen the Send/R&B1+2 sets hell this is the first time Oz has seen ANY of their sets! but still, I know where yer coming from. And it would be nice for us Strines if there was a bit of an excursion into history. But I'll take anything. Cheers Hamish ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:31:59 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... > > I'll nominate the Olivers Army piano intro > > C'mon, that's a lift from Dancing Queen by Abba... > > - A Know where you're coming from, but I always thought it was nicked from the middle of the 7" version of Outdoor Miner myself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:40:54 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] great scott > Great news indeed - although I'm not holding my breath until I see some > new Walker product. Every time he's interviewed he claims he's about to > go back in the studio. > > Another the Keith Part of the problem was - apparently!! - that labels wanted him to record a demo to hear what he had in mind. He said he saw no reason why, at this stage of his life/career - he should have to record a demo for anybody. And I guess he had a point. K. np hox - it-ness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:43:06 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night Hi Hamish, and welcome. Let us know your thoughts on Friday. *Two* Aussie correspondents and a Japanese one now. Excellent! > Here's another (new) G'day. > > yeah. I'm stoked at the prospect of seeing Wire on Friday night, like > Phillip at last after 25 odd years. It's gunna be heeyooooodge. > > At 2:03 AM +0000 2/3/04, kenny sanderson wrote: > >" Have to say I'm very disappointed that the set remains the same.[...]" > > > >yes it was a little disapointing...but still a great night....it may have > >something to do with the fact that this is the first time Japan. NZ, and > >Oz has seen the Send/R&B1+2 sets > > hell this is the first time Oz has seen ANY of their sets! but still, I > know where yer coming from. And it would be nice for us Strines if there > was a bit of an excursion into history. But I'll take anything. > > Cheers > Hamish ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:38:18 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] last night - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight > > [Ian - so you're going to Edinburgh too?] > Keith / Uri I am (was?) intending to. I have a mate who lives up there (in fact check page 153 of Everybody Loves A History, photo of Colin and Graham on stage - my mate is the one in the crowd with the high cheekbones - I'm talking from memory as my copy is still out on loan). He's supposed to be getting hold of some tickets but it's gone a bit quiet. Am definitely in Glasgow for Kraftwerk, though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:53:30 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Barcelona Apologies for the liberty, folks, but can anybody recommend a decent hotel in Barcelona - preferably centralish (though quiet) or near a metro station - price limit about #100 per night (for a twin room). Please email off-list if you can help out. Cheers Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:48:26 -0600 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... and I thought it was from "Don't Worry Baby" by the Beach Boys .... sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "Andrew Walkingshaw" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy]OT:Magic, London gigs/Witchita Lineman/ How do Kenny... > > > I'll nominate the Olivers Army piano intro > > > > C'mon, that's a lift from Dancing Queen by Abba... > > > > - A > > Know where you're coming from, but I always thought it was nicked from the > middle of the 7" version of Outdoor Miner myself. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #64 ******************************