From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #19 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 20 2004 Volume 07 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: [OT] C-C-Cabbage! [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] track 12,Adventure......... [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Prog v punk ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) ["Keith Knig] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT Prog on BBC4 ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] Post-Punk Euro entry ["sean bowen" ] [idealcopy] Bears brought up the rear. ["sean bowen" ] [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing pt. 297 [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) [CHRISWIRE@a] Re: [idealcopy] Bears brought up the rear. [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Notes on Wire in Australia No 2 [=?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Bla] Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] Graham Lewis' brandnew hobby [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Prog, Soul, Punk and Eurovision [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 [MarkBursa@aol.com] ot-Re: not lions or tigers -was[idealcopy] Post-Punk Euro entry [Eardrumb] Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:39:57 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Re: [OT] C-C-Cabbage! > http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/content_objectid= > 13825396_method=full_siteid=50061_headline=-Magic%2Dmushrooms%2Dsold%2Din%2Dci > ty%2Dshop-name_page.html > Magic mushrooms sold in city shop Lots of those shops in my country Stephen - mainly visited by adolescents. On a similar subject: Saturday a Belgian was caught at the Belgian/Dutch border with 250 grams of what turned out to be dried cabbage, along with tiny bits of weed. Not only did the poor guy have to pay 200 euro for the stuff, but he was turned over to the Flemish Police for smuggling illegal narcotics and will have to pay a substantial fine as well. Awww... Who knows how much cabbage any of you IC-ers have consument during that wild wild weekend you had in Amsterdam! ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:57:33 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] track 12,Adventure......... Don't know if this has been discussed on the list,but the 12th track of the remastered extended version of Television's Adventure (which isn't listed on the c.d packaging only eleven trax listed) 'suddenly ends' on mine.........anyone else's?Ari Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:18:37 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) << via that very update i learned that bsp's opener is kaito, whom i like a lot, >> what are Kaito like? i am unfamiliar with them? like BSP, they are an "across the pond" band, correct? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:36:12 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) << As I've said here before, I enjoy them live (I've seen them 4 times on the past coupe of years) but more for the show than the music - the foliage, the uniforms, the land-girls, the free gifts (BSP Kendal Mintcake last time out), the big drum and - last time - the man in the huge bear costume. >> ugh. so you are saying that they are a "schtick band"? man i hate that funny costumes crap -- i always feel like i am being cheated, like the band is trying to hide the fact that their music is weaker by dressing up.... how dissapointing to hear that BSP insist on doign that. of course, perhaps they won't want to expend the cash to lug all of that crap across the Atlantic.... hmmm..... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:06:11 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] OT:I was surfing the 'net........... the other day and I came upon a site that listed a c.d by Television before they became Television,now I can't remember the site OR what they called themselves,which would help,anyone know?Ari Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] .....they were called... The Neon Boys..go to http://www.djangomusic.com/item_music.asp?id=R++++19772&dt=1&cid=&sid=&mediatype= anyone got this?Ari Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:39:07 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: FW: [idealcopy] OT:I was surfing the 'net........... > the other day and I came upon a site that listed a c.d by Television before > they became Television,now I can't remember the site OR what they called > themselves,which would help,anyone know?Ari > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes I know before Richard Lloyd joined they were known as The Neon Boys. Bart Googling I found a link (below) saying they released a 7", 12" (also cd-single) with That9s All I Know (Right Now), Love Comes In Spurts & High Heeled Wheels. http://www.mindspring.com/~serovner/Discography.html#(2)%2012%20Inch%20Singl e%20Releases ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:10:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] .....they were called... > The Neon Boys..go to > http://www.djangomusic.com/item_music.asp?id=R++++19772&dt=1&cid=&sid=&mediatype= > anyone got this?Ari > Frankly if you've got the Old Waldorf one that just came out you can do without Blow-up. It's a poor quality audience tape; Old Waldorf is crystal clear mixing desk and an absolutely superb gig - one of the best live albums I've heard. Neon Boys stuff is an interesting curio but it is to Marquee Moon what Mary is a Dyke is to Pink Flag ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:10:09 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:I was surfing the 'net........... These are mentioned in my book International Discography of the New Wave '83 ep: Don't Die / Time / {other side 'Love Comes in Spurts {'73} / That's all I know {Right Now} by Richard Hell on Shake rec. SHK-101 and lp: cut on Shake to Date on Shake/Albion comp. with Richard Hell Tom Verlaine Billy Ficca Jan J N.. > > the other day and I came upon a site that listed a c.d by Television before > > they became Television,now I can't remember the site OR what they called > > themselves,which would help,anyone know?Ari > > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > I know before Richard Lloyd joined they were known as The Neon Boys. > > Bart > > Googling I found a link (below) saying they released a 7", 12" (also > cd-single) with That9s All I Know (Right Now), Love Comes In Spurts & High > Heeled Wheels. > > http://www.mindspring.com/~serovner/Discography.html#(2)%2012%20Inch%20Singl > e%20Releases ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:34:36 -0600 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:I was surfing the 'net........... They called themselves the Neon Boys - Verlaine, Hell, Fica. There were some CD eps around in the 90's. Good primal NYC stuff. Can't remember all the titles off hand, but there was an early "Love Comes in Spurt", and I think a Blank Generation. http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Britt" To: Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: [idealcopy] OT:I was surfing the 'net........... > the other day and I came upon a site that listed a c.d by Television before they became Television,now I can't remember the site OR what they called themselves,which would help,anyone know?Ari > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:50:11 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 - ----- Original Message ----- From: > heard the album - just the track that seems to be on 120 Minutes every week, Haven't seen this in the schedules this year. Has it been confined to MTV2? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:18:21 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prog v punk - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Jet Black born 1948 Jet Black d/o/b 26/8/38 (re No Mercy - authorised biog by David Buckley) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:40:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 > >>heard the album - just the track that seems to be on 120 Minutes every > week, > Haven't seen this in the schedules this year. Has it been confined to MTV2?< > < Seems pretty random - depends what else they're showing. The MTV2 version is better as it has no ads, and is therefore very recordable! The MTV version was on a couple of weeks ago but is not listed as being on tonight. Just the usual diet of Jackass, Osbournes etc. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:31:01 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing Ah, Luton charity shops. You've been spoiling yourself again, Paul. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 18 January 2004 22:41 To: tim@kidsindestructible.com; idealcopy@smoe.org; sjgraziano@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing in tribute to this thread i bought a moose cd single for 50p in a charity shop in luton on saturday. having played it , i instantly remembered exactly what i didn't like about that era. p (MBV/UVS i love , the rest i can mostly do without) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:10:17 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of P J Kane Sent: 19 January 2004 13:36 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) << As I've said here before, I enjoy them live (I've seen them 4 times on the past coupe of years) but more for the show than the music - the foliage, the uniforms, the land-girls, the free gifts (BSP Kendal Mintcake last time out), the big drum and - last time - the man in the huge bear costume. >> ugh. so you are saying that they are a "schtick band"? man i hate that funny costumes crap -- i always feel like i am being cheated, like the band is trying to hide the fact that their music is weaker by dressing up.... how dissapointing to hear that BSP insist on doign that. of course, perhaps they won't want to expend the cash to lug all of that crap across the Atlantic.... hmmm..... PJK - --------------------------- No, there's more going on than schtick. Their entire ethos is partly a band who wish they could have been around in 1944, and partly a band in love with rural England. Their knowledge of nature is clearly substantial (for some band members at least), they have played live with England's oldest family The Copper Family, they are the only band to have played in the Scilly Isles (tiny island community of off the coast of Cornwall), they played with Pulp on their forest tour... I wish their music reflected this more in some way as I find their songs not as interesting as their ideas by a long chalk. You can bet they'll have some foliage on stage at least. As for your follow-on request re KaitO info (and I suggest the rest of you tune out now if you don't want me to read me banging on again): They are a four piece from Norwich, a town in rural Norfolk - two blokes (guitar and drums) two women (guitar / voice and bass). They've been going for a few years now gigging here mostly in London but they have acquired a name for themselves in the US from (I assume) college radio and a number of tours. They have released two albums, the most recent 'Band Red' was available in the States for about 6 months before they released it in the UK due to a lack of a record label here - now rectified as Blast First have picked them up. I've seen them six times in the past 18 months. It is no exaggeration to say that - along with Wire natch - they are the best experience you can get from a UK band at present and on the basis of the gigs I've seen one of the great live bands of my life. Every time I've seen them I've swooned at the noise. Friends of mine have literally changed their social lives on being exposed to them - one has seen them 18 times in the period I've seen them 6. This may be partly due to the presence of two attractive women in the band but is more that being in the presence of KaitO - in a small room with a band at peak form, knowing that you know something that the rest of the world doesn't - is as good as it gets at the moment. What do they sound like? The first time I saw them I thought they sounded like The Raincoats without a violin, but Dave the guitarist said he'd never heard of them. They are in fact speedier than the Raincoats were. The sound is dominated by Dave who plays his guitar with a slide and treats the noise heavily through effects pedals (I'm not a musician, so I don't really understand any of this). Nikki does most of the singing with Gemma and Dieter backing up (they are a superb rhythm section by the way). Most of the time you can't understand a word. To quote Careless Talk Costs Lives: 'It's like that stage of linguistic development that babies go through, where they've worked out what talking is and recognised it as desirable, only they haven't got any real words to do it with yet'. There are lyrics on the CDs but even if you know them you end up singing along to something different. The songs are catchy - once heard, remembered next time - but bent by Dave into something angular and spiky. And great. I'm waffling. Go. They will blow BSP off stage just as I saw them blow Clinic, Klang, Erase Errata and the Seconds off stage. Right now I'd bet on them doing it to anyone. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:17:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing In a message dated 19/01/2004 20:31:39 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > Ah, Luton charity shops. You've been spoiling yourself again, Paul. > > Another the Keith > ////look , times are hard. and i always buy lots in charidee shops , i just don't like to talk about it. particularly when the best on offer (by a long chalk) is moose singles. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:28:12 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT Prog on BBC4 Further to recent debates, digital viewers in the UK can catch 'The History of Prog Rock' 10pm tonight followed by the excellent 'Rock Family Trees' Prog episode. (and all followed by John Cale in session, not sure when this dates from) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:34:37 -0000 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Post-Punk Euro entry Mark B wrote : >>I think they were calld The Bears or something like that.A vague memory too.I know they were like 8th of twelve in the finishing order !<< Now I'm running on empty here - they weren't the Bears of George Gill fame obviously but wasn't the song called something like 'She slammed the door in my face'? Jolly new wave like a poppy Lurkers. Certainly had Bears in their name. Shit, this is going to bug me... Mark How about 1978's "Door in My Face" by Fruit-eating Bears (a Crash/ Croudace / Crozier composition) http://www.oneurope.biz/asfe78.htm Izhar Cohen wouldn't have stood a chance...... Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:37:24 -0000 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Bears brought up the rear. Chris wrote : I think they were calld The Bears or something like that.A vague memory too.I know they were like 8th of twelve in the finishing order ! Chris It's worse than that, Chris. Equal 11th according to http://www.oneurope.biz/asfe78.htm Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:12:01 -0000 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] Prog, Soul, Punk and Eurovision >I'd been a huge Bowie fan since seeing Starman on TOTP. Ziggy Stardust was the first album I bought, at the age of 13. But my > 1975 listening was basically chart pop, and at the time I was very much into soul artists such as George McCrae, and even > Barry White. Really ? Where were you ? Where I was at school, anyone admitting to liking soul records would have been called either a girly, a poufter, or a nigger-lover ! > Pre-77, Prog was highly fashionable for young grammar school lads to be into. But it sounded like shit to me at the time. And > very little has changed my opinion subsequently, certainly with regard to the first three bands you name. Certainly after 77 John > Peel stopped playing prog stuff and the NME started taking the piss. Overblown excessive prog was seen as the spawn of > satan in punk circles. I found it quite reassuring that I wasn't alone in disliking it. I'm impressed. You anticipated the revolution. And when it came you found yourself on the winning side. > Of course within every movement there is decent stuff and shite. Punk had its fair share of shite (Lurkers, Vibrators etc) and > quickly became discredited by the 'punk's not dead' cartoon punks (GBH, Exploited etc). Likewise within prog, Pink Floyd's > early 70s albums stand up today where ELP's don't. There have always been plenty of people who'll big up King Crimson, > VdGG, even Yes. But to me there will always be a risible quality of prog. I don't like showy, complex musicianship for its own > sake, and I find much of the prog canon soulless and pretentious. And "nu-proggers" like Muse sound as dismal as the > originals to me. There was a good piece on Radio 2 the other week : "Masters of Rock" with Bruce Dickinson - ep 6/7 - Prog Rock. After a glorious retro on the usual '70s suspects, it concluded by suggesting that Muse and Radiohead might represent a current generation of proggers. But much more interesting to me were Dream Theatre, who I'd never heard, but the five minutes or so which they played sounded like the true inheritors of the Yes legacy. Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:14:52 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Post-Punk Euro entry >> Shit, this is going to bug me... >> Mark > How about 1978's "Door in My Face" by Fruit-eating Bears (a Crash/ Croudace > / Crozier composition) Apparently that's the one - the whole story's below: Bart Formed in true punk rock style in late 1976 as the 'tricycle turds', the band found it difficult to get gigs, so renamed themselves 'fruit eating Bears' and started gigging in London in June 1977. They played all the favourite haunts (the vortex, 100 club, red cow, hope & anchor etc.) And supported all the major punk bands ('the clash', 'the damned', 'the adverts' etc.) And they made it on to news at ten when they headlined The city rock '77 punk festival in Chelmsford (Saturday 17th September). the compere, john peel, later said in the press: "I thought the fruit Eating bears to be thoroughly jolly". All this activity brought them to the attention of record producer Vic Maile who, having seen them live, took a keen interest. Vic was one of The most successful producers of the time (working on hit records by 'Eddie & the hot rods', 'Dr Feelgood', Tom Robinson etc.) And he worked his magic on the 'fruit eating bears', recording their debut single "chevy heavy"/"Fifties cowboy". Released on Lightning Records in February 1978, it reached no.5 in the sounds new wave chart. > This success encouraged Vic Maile to record an album and 15 tracks were set > to tape. One of these tracks "door in my face" stood out. Unbeknown to the > band this track was entered by their publisher into the Eurovision song > contest and was chosen as one of the twelve finalists. Come the big day the > band refused to wear stage clothes and make-up and Came joint last. The 'fruit eating bears' released the single "Door in my Face"/"Going Thru' The Motions" on DJM Records in April '78. Sales weren't great and The band soon decided to call it a day, but not before writing "1.30, 2.30, 3.35" for Lew Lewis (a radio 1 record of the week) on the Paul Burnett show and "Indian Giver" for 'The Pirates' and backing hazel O'connor on her 'Albion' recordings. This 32 track album features both singles, the unreleased Vic Maile album, demos, a live gig from Margate and a bonus final track of their Eurovision song contest appearance. Superbly packaged in a full colour 12 page booklet with previously unseen photos and detailed band sleeve notes. ================== Fruit Eating Bears - Gentle Creatures Despite Their Fierce Appearance TRACKLIST: 1. Door In My Face 2. Indian Giver 3. Fifties Cowboy 4. Flirt In A Skirt 5. 1-30, 2.30, 3-35 6. Love Comes In Spurts 7. High School Lover (In The Uk) 8. Shop Door Squeeze 9. Chevy Heavy 10. Green Love 11. Egyptian Pt 12. I Don't Wanna Be The One 13. Going Thru The Motions 14. Remand Wing 15. Door In My Face (2nd Version) 16. Seven And Seven Is 17. Flies 18. Heaven (In The Palm Of My Hand) 19. I Met Her In A Magazine 20. Live At Margate'77:Croydon Girls 21. High School Lover (In The Uk) 22. Remand Wing 23. Disco Bop 24. Love Comes In Spurts 25. Flies 26. Egyptian Pt 27. I'm Down 28. Chevy Heavy 29. The North Is Dying 30. Bearocker 31. Numbers 32. Green Love http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/voiceprint.php/Catalogue/Labels/Overground/OVER8 3CD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:23:57 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prog v punk >> Jet Black born 1948 > Jet Black d/o/b 26/8/38 (re No Mercy - authorised biog by David Buckley) And mind you we're talking 1838!! Bart ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:26:51 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet Still no sign of the notorious Graham's Mullet link? Nobody bookmarked it? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing pt. 297 ////look , times are hard. and i always buy lots in charidee shops , i just don't like to talk about it. particularly when the best on offer (by a long chalk) is moose singles. p Thinking of marrying one then Paul.??................. Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:55:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet Bart van Damme wrote: Still no sign of the notorious Graham's Mullet link? Nobody bookmarked it? Bart You got a 'thing' about Mullet's Bart?,me,I like mine with french-fries (chips to Britts)Ari (now was that a bald statement or what?) alright,I'll get me coat............ Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:55:56 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) In a message dated 19/01/2004 21:15:49 GMT Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > I'm waffling. Go. They will blow BSP off stage just as I saw them blow > Clinic, Klang, Erase Errata and the Seconds off stage. Right now I'd bet > on them doing it to anyone. > > Another the Keith > Wow ! That is one hell of a positive review type thumbs up.Never heard a thing by them & want to now.And from nearby Norwich too. Do they do local gigs ? In fact lets meet up when they are next playing round about ? Would like to see BSP too - even if for the experience. Anyone like Belle & Sebastian ? Got a CD of theirs today & not played it yet.Cheap but on Rough Trade so got it.From reviews I've seen they look a bit wimpish but never judge a book by its cover & all that. Late & going to bed so wont stick it on now ! Chris NP - Nothing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:57:24 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bears brought up the rear. In a message dated 19/01/2004 21:34:20 GMT Standard Time, sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: > Chris wrote : > I think they were calld The Bears or something like that.A vague memory > too.I know they were like 8th of twelve in the finishing order ! > Chris > > It's worse than that, Chris. Equal 11th according to > http://www.oneurope.biz/asfe78.htm > Sean. > Yes joint last. Sorry for bigging them up ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:11:29 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet > You got a 'thing' about Mullet's Bart?,me,I like mine with french-fries (chips > to Britts)Ari (now was that a bald statement or what?) alright,I'll get me > coat............ I guess you have to see in order to understand... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:07:44 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Notes on Wire in Australia No 2 G'day all I have just noted that Wire will be supported by "Front End Loader" in Oz. "FEL" say this about themselves: "Front End Loader are an Australian band that are based in Sydney. Some people call them "punk" others say it's "pop". Although Singer/Guitarist Bowen Campbell summed it up best when asked a similar question after one of their many gigs "Nah mate we just like to think we are Oz Rock." A review of their recent EP (local paper) also said: "They call themselves Australia's least popular relatively well-known band, which is a wry but pretty fair estimation (unfortunately for them). The Loader have been plugging away on the pub circuit for more than a decade, which may mean they've missed all the shifts in fashion from grunge to the '90s indie crossover stuff to the rock revival thing, but it also means that by now they're doing what they do really, really well." I saw them live a few years ago supporting Radio Birdman. Competent enough rock music. They play a rather histrionic 'guitar hero' (parady almost?) song called "Travel Scrabble Death" that was well known on alt heavy rock radio for a while. Live it was quite good fun. Phillip from Australia. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:35:09 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 > Seems pretty random - depends what else they're showing. The MTV2 version is > better as it has no ads, and is therefore very recordable! The MTV version was > on a couple of weeks ago but is not listed as being on tonight. Just the > usual diet of Jackass, Osbournes etc. Is there actually ever any music on MTV these days or is it just 24 hours of drunks falling off skateboards? I miss the old "MTV Europe" with those crap VJ's who spoke that weird kind of Pan-European version of English. Bit like Harry Enfields Dutch Cops..... "OK yes.... coming erp laterrrrr we av a shixteen hour non-stop Megamix from RoxShetttt" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 02:51:31 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Graham Lewis' brandnew hobby From a seafishing newsgroup: GRAHAM LEWIS in bristol channel uk at 11:23:13 Monday March 11 2002 hello I have just started fishing from a boat out of portishead marina I have caught cod and whiting not very much though.I havent yet got the nack of getting the lead to stay on the bottom,Im using WIRE lead 6oz weights.any tips please also what bait to use. http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aquarium/diary/seanewsgrouptoread.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:52:07 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Belle and Sebastian Zang Tum Tummy > Anyone like Belle & Sebastian ? Got a CD of theirs today & not played it > yet.Cheap but on Rough Trade so got it.From reviews I've seen they look a bit > wimpish but never judge a book by its cover & all that. I went to the first ATP which they headlined, and they have the most irritatingly twee bunch of self-congratulatory fans. I watched Godspeed in the other bar while they were on. They remind me of those C86 bands like Tallulah Gosh. I don't mind a bit of cuddly cutie pop but I prefer it served up by the likes of Stephen Merritt or Lawrence Felt rather than this bunch of chancers.... They got Trevor Horn in to produce their new LP so I was quite excited thinking he might have made them sound like Frankie Goes to Hollywood, which would have been wicked. Instead, he made them sound like even more like Belle & Sebastian, and apparently only did the gig because his daughter is a B&S fan. Stupid Buggle!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:01:35 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 > Is there actually ever any music on MTV these days or is it just 24 hours of > drunks falling off skateboards? > I miss the old "MTV Europe" with those crap VJ's who spoke that weird kind > of Pan-European version of English. Bit like Harry Enfields Dutch Cops..... > "OK yes.... coming erp laterrrrr we av a shixteen hour non-stop Megamix from > RoxShetttt" Yeah, I wondered where Paul King picked up that accent of his... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:24:25 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prog, Soul, Punk and Eurovision > >>Really ? Where were you ? > Where I was at school, anyone admitting to liking soul records would have > been called either a girly, a poufter, or a nigger-lover !<< Blackpool, Lancashire. And though the soulie culture was well ingrained in the NW of England, yes, one would receive stick for liking such things as G McCrae rather than, say, Genesis (a singer dressed as a flower! how manly!). Bowie was still popular with prog types - hardly the most macho of performers... common ground could be found... > >> I'm impressed. You anticipated the revolution. And when it came you > found > yourself on the winning side.<< Hardly. I just throught prog was shit, and honestly had no idea something I liked would turn up. Who did? > >>There was a good piece on Radio 2 the other week : "Masters of Rock" > with > Bruce Dickinson - ep 6/7 - Prog Rock. After a glorious retro on the usual > '70s suspects, it concluded by suggesting that Muse and Radiohead might > represent a current generation of proggers. But much more interesting to me were > Dream Theatre, who I'd never heard, but the five minutes or so which they played > sounded like the true > inheritors of the Yes legacy.<< Poor sods ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:28:44 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 > I miss the old "MTV Europe" with those crap VJ's who spoke that weird kind > of > Pan-European version of English. Bit like Harry Enfields Dutch Cops..... > "OK yes.... coming erp laterrrrr we av a shixteen hour non-stop Megamix from > RoxShetttt" > Harfynn Teuport and Sukie Bapswent. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:14:45 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: ot-Re: not lions or tigers -was[idealcopy] Post-Punk Euro entry In a message dated 1/19/04 4:34:35 PM, sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: > >>I think they were calld The Bears or something like that.A vague memory >too.I know they were like 8th of twelve in the finishing order !<< > > Now I'm running on empty here - they weren't the Bears of George Gill >fame >obviously but wasn't the song called something like 'She slammed the door >in >my face'? Jolly new wave like a poppy Lurkers. Certainly had Bears in their >name. Shit, this is going to bug me... > > > Mark > > > How about 1978's "Door in My Face" by Fruit-eating Bears (a Crash/ Croudace >/ Crozier composition) i heard a cd (i think the only release) by bear (pretty sure it was just 'bear', no the or anything). one band member was from another band whose name i can't place now. really good stuff...can someone named mark help me out with the particulars here? :o) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 03:06:29 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: 120 In a message dated 20/01/2004 02:30:33 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Sukie Bapswent. > ?? Where did they go to ? : ) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #19 ******************************