From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #15 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 17 2004 Volume 07 : Number 015 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #13 [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation ["Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #13 >> A poppy Gang of Four. Or The Au-Pairs with blokes ; ) > More like DELTA 5, with blokes and just one bass.. > and certain influences from British Sea Power, note BSP > in mittel-europe interest, etc..i think name came from it.. > > very best to all... Hey Mileta, good to have you back... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:07:54 -0000 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!! Certainly is. So is Freddie Starr! - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] Sent: 16 January 2004 00:19 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!! Is it really true that John Lydon is gonna be on I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:56:58 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:23:23 GMT >From: P J Kane >Subject: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL > >hey all you atlanta-based listies: i just checked out the EchoLounge >website, and British Sea Power are playing there on St Paddy's Day (17 Mar >-- a Wed this year).... > >there was enough chatter about this act on the list to urge me to buy the >album, and i have enjoyed it much. are they good live? has anyone seen >them before? i would wager that the sound on the album would translate >well to a live setting... > >PJK I enjoy British Sea Power's album, so I'll probably find a way to the show on March 17. However, my number one concert priority right now is The Church at Variety Playhouse on March 3. I've been a Church fan since the late 80's, but have somehow never seen them before. This show is a must and, for only $17.50, and with Kilbey, Wilson-Piper, and Koppes all present, I have no excuse not to go. I'd also like to see Richard Thompson at Variety Playhouse later in March, as I've never seen him before. That show might coincide with the BSP date, but I'm not sure. Jason Now Playing: M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts (again) _________________________________________________________________ There are now three new levels of MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Learn more. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:56:43 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: i'm a celebrity get me out of here !! Subject: i'm a celebrity get me out of here !! Doesn't look like it's been confirmed yet. Here's a Charles Shaar Murray = article. http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1124218,00.html=20 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Guardian Unlimited Guardian daily comment Ant and the antichrist.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 13:37:23 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] ot - captain beefheart IIRC someone was looking for a burn of Trout Mask Replica... If it's not been sorted, I've just borrowed it from the library and could do the thing mail me offlist cheers A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. 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When I said I liked > Genesis they just said they were OK (I think Mr G even said he liked Selling > England by the Pound, but my memory may be playing tricks on me). Jet 'n' Dave probably saw Genesis as "young whippersnappers" Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:38:48 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prog v punk > and wear ridiculous flairs (I nearly wrote flares You'd have been correct if you had. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:49:52 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing > Isn't Brave Captain > Martin > >Carr's thing not Sice's? > > You're absolutely correct. Blame it on my age! > Sice's thing was called Eggman Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:13:51 -0600 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: [idealcopy] ah, liverpool ... http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/content_objectid=13825396_method=full_siteid=50061_headline=-Magic%2Dmushrooms%2Dsold%2Din%2Dcity%2Dshop-name_page.html http://www.sourmashusa.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:21:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing Tim R... My theory on Shoegazers is they were mostly a bit crap but then they all > > made really good 2nd LPs after the NME backlash and after most of the trendies > had lost interest, grown dreadlocks and become Ozric Tentacles fans. > > The second Pale Saints LP 'In Ribbons' is fucking gorgeous (trust me on > this!). The same goes for 'Souvlaki' the 2nd Slowdive LP which came after they > had fallen from NME favour but is actually quite fabulous. (features a couple > of Brian Eno productions oddly enough). > Chapterhouse's 2nd CD they got Global Communication (aka Tom Middleton) to > remix the whole thing and and thats brilliant.The 2nd Boo Radleys LP 'Giant > Steps' is absolutely fucking brilliant, its like the White Album.<< Thre's certainly a grain of truth in this - I'd agree completely re Souvlaki and Giant Steps - both excellent albums, and better than you'd have expected those bands to be capable of making. I liked the BR's subsequent 'pop' album too - also if you see the It's Lulu single with the Stereolab and Sean O'Hagan remixes, buy it.... I picked on Pale Saints as an example of the Shoegazing also-rans, not out of any particular dislike - I could have just as easily named Chapterhouse! Eiliv... >>I wonder if labelling music "shoegazing" is a way to put it down. To be a little harsh, all this labelling may be a desparate try to get order in the musical universe. << Shoegazing's fate was not dissimilar to Prog's - a younger generation finding the shoegazers too introspective and unexciting, hence latching on to Grunge as a more dynamic entertainment. Cf Prog vs Punk. At that point the term Shoegazing was hardly used in a complimentary way! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:25:33 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: M83 > >>Now Playing: M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas &Lost Ghosts (I just acquired > >this CD today and am already regretting the fact that I bought it too late > >to include it in the Best Of 2003 list that I made a couple of weeks ago. > > >It's the best instrumental music of the year, in my opinion.)<< Have to say, having seen this lot a couple of months back (supporting The Rapture) I'm not convinced. In fact my conclusion was "bloody Prog Rock". Not heard the album - just the track that seems to be on 120 Minutes every week, which sounds a bit like an instrumental MBV out-take. In fact the producers of the show have taken to showing the video for "To here knows when" straight after it... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:28:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Thin Lizzy (was A-Ba-Ni-Bi) > it was something of a shock when I read that Rat Scabies had said he'd > liked > Thin Lizzy, but why should it be? I was pretty partial to them myself. > Perhaps it was just that he admitted to it. > Never really had a problem with TL. Just a bar band really, but unpretentious enough to be acceptable post-77. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:31:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tatty record shops in Blackpool > >>(I don't mind admitting that I think I bought a Man album the same day as > I got > Chairs Missing from some tatty record shop in Blackpool).<< > Was that the tiny shop with the purple facade across from North Station? Great little shop. It got in one copy of every independent release, no matter how obscure. I got such gems as Josef K's first single (pre-Postcard) there. Gone now of course :-( Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:33:41 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing > >>Had lunch today bwith a man whose opinions I respect who advised me to > give > >>Franz Ferdinand a very wide berth. FWIW. > > > >I love their new single, and "Darts of Pleasure" was good too. They're > >indie dance-pop, but nowt wrong with that if you've got somewhere to > dance. > > A poppy Gang of Four. Or The Au-Pairs with blokes ; ) > There are definite elements of post-Postcard ScotPop in their sound (from what I've heard, which is two songs). Definite nods to Heart of Song/Missionary era Josef K, which can only be a good thing IMO. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:51:24 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: BSP coming to ATL (and so is The Church) << However, my number one concert priority right now is The Church at Variety Playhouse on March 3. >> woo hoo! thanks for the news Jason. i didn't even know they were coming... << I've been a Church fan since the late 80's, >> same here. << but have somehow never seen them before. >> i have seen them twice: in 1988 they played the Roxy. then in 2001 (or so -- the last tour whenever that was) they played The Masquerade. (ick.) great shows both times. MWP also did a solo tour in 2002 (i think), and he played Smith's Olde Bar to about 15 people or so. he is, apparently, kind of a pretentious asshole, but a damned fine guitarist..... still, never turn down seeing them again. you _must_ go to this -- it'll be great... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:16:23 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #13 Don't believe him Mileta,he tells that all the guys.........Ari Bart van Damme wrote:>> A poppy Gang of Four. Or The Au-Pairs with blokes ; ) > More like DELTA 5, with blokes and just one bass.. > and certain influences from British Sea Power, note BSP > in mittel-europe interest, etc..i think name came from it.. > > very best to all... Hey Mileta, good to have you back... Bart Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:20:57 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prog v punk selling england by the pound was the only genesis I ever owned..............A MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:> When I bumped into Jet Black and Dave Greenfield in a hotel in Wales in > late > '77 I don't think I'd ever heard of the Stranglers. When I said I liked > Genesis they just said they were OK (I think Mr G even said he liked Selling > England by the Pound, but my memory may be playing tricks on me). Jet 'n' Dave probably saw Genesis as "young whippersnappers" Mark ;-) Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:03:43 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation Jason Said, > Jason > > Now Playing: M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts (I just acquired this > CD today and am already regretting the fact that I bought it too late to > include it in the Best Of 2003 list that I made a couple of weeks ago. > It's the best instrumental music of the year, in my opinion.) Did someone mention M83? Thats my cue for yet another shameless plug so can I just remind everyone that our CD 'Trans Pennine Express' by Kids Indestructible is out now and features a remix by M83. And we still haven't managed to blag a free copy of 'Dead Cities...'. http:\\www.gooom.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #15 ******************************