From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #14 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 16 2004 Volume 07 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation [Adrian Cooke ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing [Adrian Cooke ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing ["Eiliv Konglevoll" ] [idealcopy] [OT] Confirmation... [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation [RLynn9@aol.co] RE: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation [Adrian Cooke ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation/blue skied an clear/M83 [P J Kane ] RE: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL ["dan bailey" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation A Slowdive tribute album? Interesting. Ulrich Schnauss was definitely the album of the year for me. Along with 'Send' of course. > Now Playing: M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts (I just acquired > this CD today and am already regretting the fact that I bought it too late > to include it in the Best Of 2003 list that I made a couple of weeks ago. > It's the best instrumental music of the year, in my opinion.) I like it a lot, but it doesn't quite edge out Ulrich Schnauss for me: they're mining the same kind of vibe (the one which led me to speculate about shoegaze/IDM links - Morr came out with a Slowdive tribute album last year featuring Schnauss, in fact.) - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ personal email: andrew@lexical.org.uk "... plucking hours from the sky" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:38:36 -0000 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing I know most of the Pale Saints. They don't appear to be particularly proud of their PS past. Make of that what you will! Someone wrote: > > >for every Loveless there's three Pale Saints albums to avoid. > > Weren't they nme faves for a while. I saw them live and they were truly > dreadful. It was only all the years of watching shit football matches and > refusing to leave early that provided me with the necessary willpower to stay > till the end. Quite probably the worse headline act I have ever seen. > My theory on Shoegazers is they were mostly a bit crap but then they all made really good 2nd LPs after the NME backlash and after most of the trendies had lost interest, grown dreadlocks and become Ozric Tentacles fans. The second Pale Saints LP 'In Ribbons' is fucking gorgeous (trust me on this!). The same goes for 'Souvlaki' the 2nd Slowdive LP which came after they had fallen from NME favour but is actually quite fabulous. (features a couple of Brian Eno productions oddly enough). Chapterhouse's 2nd CD they got Global Communication (aka Tom Middleton) to remix the whole thing and and thats brilliant. The 2nd Boo Radleys LP 'Giant Steps' is absolutely fucking brilliant, its like the White Album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:04:57 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing > The 2nd Boo Radleys LP 'Giant Steps' is absolutely fucking brilliant, its > like the White Album. Liked them, but always thought it was over-rated myself. The weeklies went mad over it. Preferred the rather raw debut 'Ichabod & I' myself, though it's probably dated a bit. Bought the first couple of Sices' Brave Captain releases. There's some good moments there. Some Beach Boys influences there. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:03:14 -0000 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing I preferred 'Everything's Alright Forever' lots of nice loud guitars. When the trumpets started taking over I lost interest. Isn't Brave Captain Martin Carr's thing not Sice's? - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Astbury [mailto:keith.astbury10@virgin.net] Sent: 15 January 2004 11:05 To: Tim; Idealcopy@Smoe.Org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing > The 2nd Boo Radleys LP 'Giant Steps' is absolutely fucking brilliant, its > like the White Album. Liked them, but always thought it was over-rated myself. The weeklies went mad over it. Preferred the rather raw debut 'Ichabod & I' myself, though it's probably dated a bit. Bought the first couple of Sices' Brave Captain releases. There's some good moments there. Some Beach Boys influences there. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:35:16 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Idealcopy@Smoe.Org" Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing > Someone wrote: > > > > > >for every Loveless there's three Pale Saints albums to avoid. > > > > Weren't they nme faves for a while. I saw them live and they were truly > > dreadful. It was only all the years of watching shit football matches and > > refusing to leave early that provided me with the necessary willpower to > stay > > till the end. Quite probably the worse headline act I have ever seen. > > > > My theory on Shoegazers is they were mostly a bit crap but then they all > made really good 2nd LPs after the NME backlash and after most of the > trendies had lost interest, grown dreadlocks and become Ozric Tentacles > fans. > > The second Pale Saints LP 'In Ribbons' is fucking gorgeous (trust me on > this!). > The same goes for 'Souvlaki' the 2nd Slowdive LP which came after they had > fallen from NME favour but is actually quite fabulous. (features a couple of > Brian Eno productions oddly enough). > Chapterhouse's 2nd CD they got Global Communication (aka Tom Middleton) to > remix the whole thing and and thats brilliant. > The 2nd Boo Radleys LP 'Giant Steps' is absolutely fucking brilliant, its > like the White Album. I wonder if labelling music "shoegazing" is a way to put it down. To be a little harsh, all this labelling may be a desparate try to get order in the musical universe. But at the same time I enjoy the discussion on prog/progressive rock. Of course there are many lines in history and many bands put themselves in categories, like heavy, metal, country, prog, punk, folk. But when you get to post-punk, new wave, alternative country, indie and so on, often difficult, confusing....More interesting how we use those labels. Punk is high on the list, no one would put it down. If we put down metal, fans do not care at all. Maybe the same with prog. A funny thing in Norway, among the in-crowd here country were not cool at all. But later an artist said: Now they call it roots and everybody are falling over each other to praise it. - The best one I had heard in years!!- enjoy the silence (among the musical police) - and now the artist could play all the cool places. Talking about hitting the nail on the head........... >for every Loveless there's three Pale Saints albums to avoid. Well, I don't know what that means about MBV, but not positive about Pale Saints, I guess. In MY opinion one of the greatest groups of that period. Especially the first album - last half have something I miss in MBV, variation, strong feelings, wonderful music. Also some of the second. Does Feeling, Enthusiasm Belong In Music?? - The same for Souvlaki and Chapterhouse second. And some of those MBV EPs in the Feed Me With Your Kiss period, great, and two classic albums. Never think about "shoegazing", but got a little (?) fed up of melancholy and laidback music in the 90s, but glad for Tindersticks and most of American MC. Interesting you mention Global Communication, Tim, bought it knowing nothing, a couple of tracks there is like nothing else..or maybe Main..Difficult to put in a category.... Eiliv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:18:17 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Confirmation... The. PIXIES. Are. Back. Headlining the Coachella Festival... - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ personal email: andrew@lexical.org.uk "... plucking hours from the sky" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:33:39 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Confirmation... > The. > > PIXIES. > > Are. > > Back. > > Headlining the Coachella Festival... Yay!!! http://www.nme.com/news/107239.htm Bart (singing little Jimmy Osmond style) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:50:49 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Prog v punk Didn't the whole prog v punk 'wars' thing spring from J Rotten wearing a Pink Floyd T-shirt with 'I hate' written on it? There might have been inter-band hatred but it was no worse than between Blur-Oasis a few years ago. Some of it was between punk bands anyway and we all know that Nick Mason produced the Damned's Music For Pleasure. When I was at school in the '70s it was an act of rebellion to grow your hair long and wear ridiculous flairs (I nearly wrote flares - an explosive mix!)... Suddenly it became an act of rebellion to wear drainpipes - which you made yourself from ordinary jeans with the aid of safety pins - and hack your hair off, or go spiky! I can't imagine many people even ditched their old record collections, everyone I knew just added to them. In real terms LPs were very expensive - CD made sense to me when the Ideal Copy on CD, plus extra tracks, was cheaper than the vinyl equivalents not to mention the fact that you then got two Zappa records on one CD. I didn't have much prog stuff anyway (Dark Side of the Moon and a few Genesis LPs) and I was quite happy to stick Elvis Costello/Wire/Pere Ubu etc next to them from 1978 onwards. When I bumped into Jet Black and Dave Greenfield in a hotel in Wales in late '77 I don't think I'd ever heard of the Stranglers. When I said I liked Genesis they just said they were OK (I think Mr G even said he liked Selling England by the Pound, but my memory may be playing tricks on me). Certainly they didn't fall around laughing or threaten violence, but they did advise me to listen to John Peel - just in time for me to snap up the first Fall single and hear tracks from Pink Flag! I was pretty impressed when Peely played the WHOLE of Heroes LP in one go, as well... Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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(raised in Arkansas) RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:40:19 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation In a message dated 1/15/04 3:42:50 AM Central Standard Time, Adrian.Cooke@cme.org.uk writes: > A Slowdive tribute album? Interesting. Ulrich Schnauss was definitely the > album of the year for me. Along with 'Send' of course. > yes..it's called "Blue Skied and Clear" and it's from the excellent people at Morr Music www.morrmusic.com fun website RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:11:50 -0000 From: Adrian Cooke Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation Thank you, have just ordered it! - -----Original Message----- From: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] Sent: 15 January 2004 15:40 To: Adrian.Cooke@cme.org.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation In a message dated 1/15/04 3:42:50 AM Central Standard Time, Adrian.Cooke@cme.org.uk writes: > A Slowdive tribute album? Interesting. Ulrich Schnauss was definitely the > album of the year for me. Along with 'Send' of course. > yes..it's called "Blue Skied and Clear" and it's from the excellent people at Morr Music www.morrmusic.com fun website RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:31:14 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation/blue skied an clear/M83 << A Slowdive tribute album? Interesting. >> quite. the whole thing was rather fun. and to toot my own horn (as it were) i reviewed it: http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/va_BlueSkiednClear.htm not my best writing, but the set is very worth having, if you can find it! << Ulrich Schnauss was definitely the album of the year for me. Along with 'Send' of course. >> i am hearing that a _lot_ of people really liked Schnauss's album of 2003. i quite enjoy it, but apparently not as much as other people. so -- apparently this M83 act mines the same territory? i have never heard of them -- how well distributed is their release? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:55:53 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation/blue skied an clear/M83 On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:31:14PM +0000, P J Kane wrote: > << A Slowdive tribute album? Interesting. >> > > quite. the whole thing was rather fun. and to toot my own horn (as it were) i reviewed it: > > http://www.evilsponge.org/albums/va_BlueSkiednClear.htm > > not my best writing, but the set is very worth having, if you can find it! > > << Ulrich Schnauss was definitely the album of the year for me. Along with 'Send' of course. >> > > i am hearing that a _lot_ of people really liked Schnauss's album of > 2003. i quite enjoy it, but apparently not as much as other people. > so -- apparently this M83 act mines the same territory? i have > never heard of them -- how well distributed is their release? Available easily in the UK. Their (very odd, IE only) website is http://www.ilovem83.com/ ... - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ personal email: andrew@lexical.org.uk "... plucking hours from the sky" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:23:23 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL hey all you atlanta-based listies: i just checked out the EchoLounge website, and British Sea Power are playing there on St Paddy's Day (17 Mar -- a Wed this year).... there was enough chatter about this act on the list to urge me to buy the album, and i have enjoyed it much. are they good live? has anyone seen them before? i would wager that the sound on the album would translate well to a live setting... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:35:37 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL For what it's worth I found them extremely energetic and earnest, good qualities if you enjoy their music Eric in Toronto /////////////////////// P J Kane: there was enough chatter about this act on the list to urge me to buy the album, and i have enjoyed it much. are they good live? has anyone seen them before? i would wager that the sound on the album would translate well to a live setting... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:18:08 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL one day after the mekons, i just learned ... nothing against bsp, but as a 14-plus-years mekes devotee who hasn't seen them since mid-'94, i know who i'll be making sure to see. dan >hey all you atlanta-based listies: i just checked out the EchoLounge website, and British Sea Power are playing there on St Paddy's Day (17 Mar -- a Wed this year).... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 04:21:19 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing >In a message dated 1/14/04 6:43:24 PM Central Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> now, now ... as i've undoubtedly mentioned before, the maya angelou memoir >> on whose title the subject line takes off is set mostly in my backwater of >a >> hometown (was there a month ago -- still not a single traffic light, by >> god). >> >> dan >> > >AND, Maya Angelou was born in St. Louis.. (raised in Arkansas) > >RL which i think makes robert & me double first cousins (our consanguinity having been established via the crystal gayle connection, of course). dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:03:29 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Prog v punk In a message dated 15/01/2004 12:57:06 GMT Standard Time, B.Clements@bepp.co.uk writes: > I was pretty impressed when Peely > played the WHOLE of Heroes LP in one go, as well... > I was impressed with Peel playing the whole of Side 1 of Phaedra in 1973.His favourite album of that year I believe. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:57:42 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Another rock suicide The guitarist of Hope of the States, James Lawrence, has hanged himself at Peter Gabriel's Real World studios while recording their debut album - - details here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/3399119.stm Andy Lumbard and I are fans, having seen them live twice last year, and this is a blow. Another the Keith PS no references to his having been driven to it by hearing Genesis, please. Cognescenti of bad taste may appreciate that I was alerted to this story by a friend's e-mail headed 'Rope of the States' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:34:01 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Confirmation... In a message dated 1/15/04 7:39:52 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: >> The. >> >> PIXIES. >> >> Are. >> >> Back. >> >> Headlining the Coachella Festival... > > >Yay!!! please please please i hope they keep it going for a while...like 4 albums or so :o) - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:06:21 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP coming to ATL In a message dated 1/15/04 1:27:16 PM, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: >are they good live? has anyone seen them before? i would wager that the >sound on the album would translate well to a live setting... i saw them in ny a few months ago and really enjoyed the show. they "put on a show" for sure, not in the artsy theatrical way, but in the traditional rock show way. - -paul c.d. np shack-waterpistol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:54:24 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing > I preferred 'Everything's Alright Forever' lots of nice loud guitars. When > the trumpets started taking over I lost interest. Isn't Brave Captain Martin > Carr's thing not Sice's? You're absolutely correct. Blame it on my age! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:18:57 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!! Is it really true that John Lydon is gonna be on I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:57:35 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V7 #13 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:25:47 -0000 > From: "Keith Astbury" > A poppy Gang of Four. Or The Au-Pairs with blokes ; ) More like DELTA 5, with blokes and just one bass.. and certain influences from British Sea Power, note BSP in mittel-europe interest, etc..i think name came from it.. very best to all... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:51:33 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I'm a celebrity, get me out of here!! good grief , please tell me that ain't true. the pistols just did a US tour so surely he can't be short of cash......p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #14 ******************************