From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #13 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, January 15 2004 Volume 07 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] [OT] Propeller [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] WMO SALE [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] more cage news! [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Reality star injured by chainsaw ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Reality star injured by chainsaw [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Reality star injured by chainsaw ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] A-Ba-Ni-Bi ["sean bowen" ] RE: [idealcopy] for those interested in Philip Jeck ["Jack Alberson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] OT My Bloody Valentine ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation ["Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Propeller Perhaps of interest for Sonic Youth / Blonde Redhead fans. ========================================================== My mate Frank and his band Propeller just recorded a song called The Watch Chain for Silent Minority Records' sampler, a compilation of 19 Dutch "underground" tracks: http://www.silentminorityrecords.com Listen at VPRO's 3voor12: http://www.vpro.nl/3voor12/luisterpaal/luisterpaalalbum.shtml?10617791+15040 119 (2nd track) Other standouts: Stuurbaard Bakkebaard and Oxol. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] WMO SALE Please note that although WMO ceased trading from 1/1/04 there are still items available at sale prices from us whilst stock last. Email for details. Some items are very close to the end. best wishes for 04 kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:03:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more cage news! > a bit like edgar bergen doing ventriliquism on the radio isn't it? how do > we > know the pianist is really performing cage's composition? :o) > It's also on television - BBC4. It's an arrangement of 4'33" for large orchestra... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:17:39 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Reality star injured by chainsaw I'll try and hide my glee, shall I... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3395361.stm [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment TV and Radio Reality star injured by chainsaw.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:41:39 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet All of a sudden I got the urge to see it again, so anyone still has the link to that magnificent Graham's mullet photo? Bart BTW, How's yours doing Ed? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:59:12 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reality star injured by chainsaw > I'll try and hide my glee, shall I... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3395361.stm Funny butcher Ted's name should pop up as I was wondering earlier (topic: Sutcliffe Jugend) if the English wouldn't automatically pronounce JUGEND as Nugent... >> so, for a german who doesn't speak any german, how is it pronounced? > Yoo-gend Only the G in JUGEND is pronounced more like in GO as in Nugent. Bart NP: Guided by Voices - In Stitches [only kidding] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:02:21 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet In a message dated 1/14/04 9:44:10 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > All of a sudden I got the urge to see it again, so anyone still has the link > to that magnificent Graham's mullet photo? > > Bart > > BTW, How's yours doing Ed? ;-) > yeah, i think it's pretty damn funny that those assholes in L.A. tried to make mullets and trucker caps fashionable ..... RL n.p. Roxy Music "Avalon" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:08:16 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet > yeah, i think it's pretty damn funny that those assholes in L.A. tried to > make mullets and trucker caps fashionable ..... True men cut their own hair, true Robert? ;-) > RL > n.p. Roxy Music "Avalon" I remember Roxy's Andy Mackay wearing a mean mean mullet too! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:20:46 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet In a message dated 1/14/04 10:13:08 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > > yeah, i think it's pretty damn funny that those assholes in L.A. tried to > > make mullets and trucker caps fashionable ..... > > True men cut their own hair, true Robert? ;-)>>>>>>>>> that is correct Bart.....true men and men who are too cheap to pay for haircuts! > > > RL > > n.p. Roxy Music "Avalon" > > I remember Roxy's Andy Mackay wearing a mean mean mullet too!>>>>> exactly! and Bryan Ferry had a prototype pompadour-mullet RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:10:31 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet > that is correct Bart.....true men and men who are too cheap to pay for > haircuts! same thing! > > I remember Roxy's Andy Mackay wearing a mean mean mullet too!>>>>> > > exactly! and Bryan Ferry had a prototype pompadour-mullet They invented them!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:40:32 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Graham's Mullet >> I remember Roxy's Andy Mackay wearing a mean mean mullet too! > exactly! and Bryan Ferry had a prototype pompadour-mullet You mean as in Madame de Pompadour?? I want pictures dude! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:56:22 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Reality star injured by chainsaw if he'd actually *severed* his leg, i'd be confronted with the possibility that there's a god after all ... dan >I'll try and hide my glee, shall I... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3395361.stm > >[demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of BBC NEWS Entertainment TV and Radio Reality star injured by chainsaw.url] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:18:32 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Metal Urbain Metal Urbain will return to America in March for a west coast tour and an appearance at South by Southwest in Austin.....(there ya go Dan!) Look out for Metal Urbain-related projects Metal Boys and Dr. Mix and the Remix on Acute in March and May respectively. Acute is an excellenct sub label of Carpark Records out of NYC.... RL np - Bim Sherman "Across the Red Sea" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:22:47 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] for those interested in Philip Jeck TOUCH Label News: PHILIP JECK November sees the reissue of Philip Jeck's classic 1999 release 'Surf' [Touch # TO:36]. More info on this release can be found here - http://www.touchmusic.org.uk/releases/TO36.html Stock is expected on Monday November 3rd. This month also sees the releases of his new studio album, '7' - 7 [Touch # TO:57] Barcode: 5027803145726 Digipac usual CD price http://www.touchmusic.org.uk/releases/TO57.html 7 tracks: 49:49 Wholesome/Museum/Wipe/Bush Hum/Now You Can Let Go/Some Pennies/Veil Philip Jeck, who lives and works in Liverpool, studied visual art at the Dartington College of Arts in Devon, England. During the early 1980s, he drifted from painting and sculpture to music, and began working with old and discarded turntables. Though he's roughly a contemporary of Christian Marclay, recognition for Jeck came much later, beginning in 1993 with his massive installation "Vinyl Requiem", which incorporated 180 record players and multiple film projections. This is Philip Jeck's 7th solo album, and 4th for Touch, after 'Loopholes' (1996), 'Surf' (1998) and 'Stoke' (2002). He has also released a collaboration with Jacob Kirkegaard, 'Soaked' (2002), and a recording of a live concert he gave in Japan, 'Live at ICC' (2001). He is currently touring with Jah Wobble & Deep Space, and is heavily featured on their latest album 'Five Beat' (30hertzrecords, 2003). Philip Jeck writes: "All seven are edits of home and concert recordings (UK Germany & Belgium) using Bush, Ferguson, Fidelity & Philips record-players, Sony portable mini-disc and Casio keyboards. 'Bush Hum' was made from the amplified hum of a Bush record-player and delay-pedal. 'Wipe' was originally made for a video by Marisa Zanotti." What the critics said about his previous work: The Wire (UK): "The effect is just beautiful. Philip Jeck has always been good, but Stoke makes him great.." The Empty Quarter (UK): "Definitely one for those who are a little afraid to dip their toes into experimental waters." Stylus (USA): "Stoke is a monumental work in an already great career. He manipulates pure sound, the discarded remnants of past musics, into a compelling work of art that is alive with the ghosts of the past while being firmly entrenched in the moment." XLR8R (USA): "...mesmerising and profoundly unsettling. Very highly recommended." Aquarius (USA): "... beautiful. Highly recommended!!" For further information, please visit http://www.philipjeck.com http://www.touchmusic.org.uk The above Cds are already listed on the TouchShop - http://www.touchshop.org You may have seen a release by Philip Jeck on the Belgian label Sub Rosa ['Host', Sub Rosa # SR194]. This release has been withdrawn It was not authorised by the artist. - --------------------------------------------------------->>>>> GREAT NEWS! RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:46:16 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: hiddensongs Subject: hiddensongs > http://www.hiddensongs.com/ > > > Welcome to The Hidden Song Archive - a database of hidden and unlisted > tracks from albums by all types of artists. > > A hidden, or "ghost", track is a song on an album which is not listed on the > album sleeve or jacket. On a CD, usually the song is accessed by playing the > final track through then going through a brief moment of silence. > > An unlisted track is different because the hidden song has its own track and > can be directly accessed without having to go through the previous song. > > This database is organized by artist, then album. To find information about > the hidden track by Sheryl Crow on her album The Globe Sessions, for > example, go to "C" for Crow and The Globe Sessions. To find out about the > song on The Wallflowers' Breach, go to "W" for Wallflowers, then to Breach, > and so on. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 21:17:10 -0000 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] A-Ba-Ni-Bi Mark B. wrote : >I could also tell you who won Eurovision in 1978, but it doesn't mean I actually *like* it ;-) >Plus I find the history interesting, in the case of prog much more interesting than the music! >> but for me, punk was never about killing the old rock dinosaurs.<< >It was for me. Oh yes. The old shrapnel wounds still give me gyp.... Mark Alright, Mark, we know you were too cool to be into progrock in the mid-seventies. No doubt you liked Bowie, Beefheart, Velvet Underground and all the bands who the best punks claimed as influences. But was the idea that Yes, ELP, Genesis & Camel and their ilk were overblown and meaningless, actually the received wisdom back then ? Or was that just a piece of post-77 revisionism ? It seems to me that there's a new breed of young listener emerging now who view prog as an equally 'important' movement. In years to come, it could be the pro-punk critics who look like uncultured philistines......? So, you're not a fan of Izhar Cohen and the AlphaBeta then ? - I'll bet you were watching the '78 contest avidly, rooting for the Norwegian 'nul points' entry ? I'd have voted for "Sixteen Again", "Public Image" and "Outdoor Miner". (not). Sean. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:09:32 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] for those interested in Philip Jeck It's already a classic? It's only been out five years... Jack L. Alberson Property Administrator CB Richard Ellis First Tennessee Building 165 Madison Avenue Memphis, TN 38103 (901) 521-1748 "PHILIP JECK November sees the reissue of Philip Jeck's classic 1999 release 'Surf' [Touch # TO:36]. More info on this release can be found here - http://www.touchmusic.org.uk/releases/TO36.html Stock is expected on Monday November 3rd." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:19:12 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] for those interested in Philip Jeck In a message dated 1/14/04 3:14:14 PM Central Standard Time, jalberson@firsttennesseebuilding.com writes: > It's already a classic? It's only been out five years...>>> have you heard it? it is most definitely a classic.... if you're into that sort of thing of course.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:37:40 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Notes on Wire in Australia No 1 G'day First bit of publicity in Sydney for the forthcoming appearance. From "Drum Media" - free street press rag: "BRITAIN'S ART ROCKERS WIRE AUSTRALIA Legendary UK four-piece "art" combo Wire formed back in 1976 in the midst of the first flush of punk's youth but immediately diverged from what was then the "pogo" standard thrash with a combination of a sparse aesthetic, obtuse lyrics and a much vaunted "pop sensibility". They releases three classic albums - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing and 154- on EMI's "hip" Harvest label, before calling it a day in 1980, but there followed a rash of live releases and solo projects that were so warmly received, despite achieving no commercial success, that in 1986 they reunited, updated and switched on and released another slew of albums, this time for Mute. Last year Wire released their first full length album of music in over twelve years, Send, and now they're mounting their first ever Australia/NZ tour. Wire play the Gaelic Club Friday March 5." Hmmm- I don't know about this term 'Art rockers' or 'Art Combo' - is that what they do now??? But, I suppose in a marketplace (like Oz) where virtually nobody has heard of Wire, let alone actually heard any music, the best way to get people to go to the show is by creating a mystique- "legendary", "art", and all that. We'll see whether it works! The litmus test is whether the 'sold out' sign goes up quickly, slowly or not at all. Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:41:40 EST From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing :<< His [John Cage's] estate won a bizarre copyright battle in 2002, when composer Mike Batt agreed to pay a six-figure sum to a charity because his album featured a tongue-in-cheek silent track which he credited as co-written by Cage. >> hahahahahahaha! Thanks Keith, this is the most cheerful thing I have heard this year so far by a long chalk. For the uninitiated Mike Batt wrote the Wombling song and Bright Eyes - and I think he did some prog-rock opera type monstrosities too, just to show he was versatile enough to turn out shite across a variety of musical genres. Had lunch today bwith a man whose opinions I respect who advised me to give Franz Ferdinand a very wide berth. FWIW. happy new year all, as I haven't oared in for a bit. Howard np John Foxx and Louis Gordon - Crash and Burn next p - Tatu's version of How Soon Is Now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:04:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing > next p - Tatu's version of How Soon Is Now Still haven't heard it myself, but did anyone else read that Moz interview last year where he was asked if he's heard it. It went something like... Moz: Who are they? Interviewer: They're Russian lesbians. Moz: Aren't we all. K. NP SFA - phantom power ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:08:08 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 06:41:40PM -0500, HowardJSpencer@aol.com wrote: > Had lunch today bwith a man whose opinions I respect who advised me to give > Franz Ferdinand a very wide berth. FWIW. I love their new single, and "Darts of Pleasure" was good too. They're indie dance-pop, but nowt wrong with that if you've got somewhere to dance. Incidentally, "Take Me Out" is No. 2 in the midweeks. - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ personal email: andrew@lexical.org.uk "... plucking hours from the sky" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:25:47 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing > > Had lunch today bwith a man whose opinions I respect who advised me to give > > Franz Ferdinand a very wide berth. FWIW. > > I love their new single, and "Darts of Pleasure" was good too. They're > indie dance-pop, but nowt wrong with that if you've got somewhere to dance. A poppy Gang of Four. Or The Au-Pairs with blokes ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:22:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing you'd like 'em then?A Keith Astbury wrote:> > Had lunch today bwith a man whose opinions I respect who advised me to give > > Franz Ferdinand a very wide berth. FWIW. > > I love their new single, and "Darts of Pleasure" was good too. They're > indie dance-pop, but nowt wrong with that if you've got somewhere to dance. A poppy Gang of Four. Or The Au-Pairs with blokes ; ) Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:34:14 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more cage news! Everything that can be said about this has been said, and I think most of the membership this list is sussed enough to deal with 4'33" for what it is. (or isn't) But you should have seen the expletives it caused on the Beach Boys list when someone brought the issue up ( i think it was Mike Batt related)......those 4 mins of Silence can still cause a lot of real anger and upset, especially on a list which is 50% cool Brian Wilson fans and 50% unreconstructed Mike Love-era Beach Boy fans in their Hawaiian Shirts stained with Bud & BBQ sauce...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more cage news! > In a message dated 1/13/04 4:36:06 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > > > >The BBC Symphony Orchestra is to give a performance of composer John Cage's > >seminal piece 4'33" - nearly five minutes of complete silence. > >BBC Radio 3 is to broadcast the entire composition live > > a bit like edgar bergen doing ventriliquism on the radio isn't it? how do we > know the pianist is really performing cage's composition? :o) > > i did get to see 4'33" performed once at carnegie hall, not by cage, but he > was there and i met him afterwards. met him on two other occasions. not to > sound like george sr., but he really was a very kind, gentle man. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:15:48 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:I know why the cage bird dosen't sing now, now ... as i've undoubtedly mentioned before, the maya angelou memoir on whose title the subject line takes off is set mostly in my backwater of a hometown (was there a month ago -- still not a single traffic light, by god). dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:49:54 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A-Ba-Ni-Bi > >It was for me. Oh yes. The old shrapnel wounds still give me gyp.... > Mark > > Alright, Mark, we know you were too cool to be into progrock in the > mid-seventies. No doubt you liked Bowie, Beefheart, Velvet Underground and all > the bands who the best punks claimed as influences. That's a bit nowty, Sean! I think he said he was into soul actually. > But was the idea that Yes, > ELP, Genesis & Camel and their ilk were overblown and meaningless, actually > the received wisdom back then ? Or was that just a piece of post-77 > revisionism ? No. It seemed to become some part of a 'punk manifesto'. The Pistols slagged The Who and The Stones off, let alone Yes. And Rotten famously wore a Pink Floyd t-shirt with the words "I Hate" in front of it. And I guess people followed... As John Peel has said, it took punk for him to realise he was bored with music, he just hadn't known it. I imagine a few folk felt like that. And there was also that sense of these bands belong to 'us', not our metaphorical older brothers. Of course it went to far - trying to create some year zero for music is leant towards some sort of musical fascism. There were a handful of pre-punks that were 'allowed' - Iggy, Velvets, Bolan, Bowie, Roxy, etc, so it was something of a shock when I read that Rat Scabies had said he'd liked Thin Lizzy, but why should it be? I was pretty partial to them myself. Perhaps it was just that he admitted to it. But I never bought into all that year zero stuff. I didn't get rid of my record collection once I heard Anarchy in the UK. Why should I? I didn't get rid of Never Mind the Bollocks when I got into The Smiths either. As has been mentioned here before, some of us may have bought loads of punk singles but we continued buying old fart albums for some time. I certainly did - there weren't exactly many punk LP's around at the time. And apart from anything else there were albums I'd wanted from years before that I hadn't been able to afford, and I got them here and there as I went along. (I don't mind admitting that I think I bought a Man album the same day as I got Chairs Missing from some tatty record shop in Blackpool). Personally speaking, I just went off that sort of music more and more (though not Camel admittedly as I always thought they were shite!). Playing Nursery Cryme for the first time in a few months after playing loads of punk was something of a defining moment for me. It just sounded so weedy. But I can still name loads of old fart albums I bought after that. >It seems to me that there's a new breed of young listener > emerging now who view prog as an equally 'important' movement. In years to > come, it could be the pro-punk critics who look like uncultured > philistines......? Come on, Sean. Who gives a toss what people think now, let alone in years to come. To be vaguely topical, I Know What I Like In My Wardrobe, and I don't think there's a single person on this list who likes punk and nothing else. Frankly if some young listener wants to listen to prog that's his progative (sic!). You may have noticed that there's a breed of young listener who likes The Darkness. Am I supposed to say they're great in some pathetic attempt to ingratiate myself with 'young people'. I'm sorry, but that young listener can say what he wants, I think they're shite. And this lady's not for turning ; ) > So, you're not a fan of Izhar Cohen and the AlphaBeta then ? - I'll bet you > were watching the '78 contest avidly, rooting for the Norwegian 'nul points' > entry ? > I'd have voted for "Sixteen Again", "Public Image" and "Outdoor Miner". > (not). And I would probably have voted for Dayglo or Identity or Public Image or Another Girl Another Planet. That's not revisionism. That's just the way it is. Keith np Electrelane - on parade ep ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:46:46 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT My Bloody Valentine - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] > > The story circulating last year was that MBV (ie Kevin Shields) was > finishing > > off unfinished tracks left over from the 'Glider' EP sessions with a view > to > > creating an expanded Glider album for inclusion in a box set. > > > > So that'll be in 2009 then. > > Anyone heard the Soffia Coppola soundtrack stuff yet? Yes. Kevin Shields contributes 3 fairly inconsequential but enjoyable electronic soundtrack pieces and one actual song on which he sings and plays guitar which is quite good, just sounds like an MBV track without the overlaid FX-whiteout...which maybe defeats the object. Its just Nice to hear Kev singing and playing instead of remixing Primal Scream. There is a retro piece on MBV in this months Uncut, which simply restates that the whole band minus Debbie Goodge are reworking some old Demos from 'Glider' and that there is either a new compliation LP coming out, or re-issued CDs with extra tracks....or both. Sometime Soon. Its easy to be sceptical about this given Shields track record. Never say never.. Having recently seen Wire play Pink Flag and Brian Wilson play Pet Sounds, Kraftwerk made a new LP last year........ as far as music is concerned, I now believe anything is possible! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 01:06:20 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Shoegazing Someone wrote: > > >for every Loveless there's three Pale Saints albums to avoid. > > Weren't they nme faves for a while. I saw them live and they were truly > dreadful. It was only all the years of watching shit football matches and > refusing to leave early that provided me with the necessary willpower to stay > till the end. Quite probably the worse headline act I have ever seen. > My theory on Shoegazers is they were mostly a bit crap but then they all made really good 2nd LPs after the NME backlash and after most of the trendies had lost interest, grown dreadlocks and become Ozric Tentacles fans. The second Pale Saints LP 'In Ribbons' is fucking gorgeous (trust me on this!). The same goes for 'Souvlaki' the 2nd Slowdive LP which came after they had fallen from NME favour but is actually quite fabulous. (features a couple of Brian Eno productions oddly enough). Chapterhouse's 2nd CD they got Global Communication (aka Tom Middleton) to remix the whole thing and and thats brilliant. The 2nd Boo Radleys LP 'Giant Steps' is absolutely fucking brilliant, its like the White Album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 03:59:32 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:14:52 -0600 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart > >saw the movie last week ... didn't pay much attention to the score, mainly >because i'd forgotten about shields' role until i saw him listed in the >closing credits, though i remember thinking that it was pretty good. i was >more impressed by the very appropriate use of the jamc's just like honey in >pretty much the final scene. was also amused by a japanese karaoke attempt >at anarchy in the uk, not to mention an appropriate strip-bar use of >peaches' fuck the pain away. > >the movie itself ... pretty decent, though in my eyes hardly the >masterpiece >that many have proclaimed it. > I saw Lost In Translation back in September when it was released and bought the soundtrack on the way home from seeing the film. The soundtrack was perfect for the film, and a very good CD on its own terms. Kevin Shields has one very impressive song on it called "City Girl" and then three short instrumental tracks that are pretty decent. My Bloody Valentine's "Sometimes" is also on the soundtrack (Incidentally, "Sometimes" is my favorite song on MBV's Loveless.). The Jesus And Mary Chain's "Just Like Honey" is included on the soundtrack as well...also tracks from Squarepusher, Death In Vegas, and the like. The CD is well worth having. Personally, I thought that the movie was great. I like the way that it includes sprawling scenes of Tokyo's cityscape to contrast the loneliness of the two main characters. Bill Murray should get a Best Actor nod for the film. Also...and I'll freely admit this...I'd pay movie ticket price just to watch Scarlett Johansson paint walls for two hours. Lost In Translation is probably my third favorite film of the year behind Return Of The King and 28 Days Later. Jason Now Playing: M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts (I just acquired this CD today and am already regretting the fact that I bought it too late to include it in the Best Of 2003 list that I made a couple of weeks ago. It's the best instrumental music of the year, in my opinion.) _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals  comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:25:28 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: one from the heart/Lost In Translation On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:59:32AM +0000, Jason Rogers wrote: > Now Playing: M83 - Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts (I just acquired > this CD today and am already regretting the fact that I bought it too late > to include it in the Best Of 2003 list that I made a couple of weeks ago. > It's the best instrumental music of the year, in my opinion.) I like it a lot, but it doesn't quite edge out Ulrich Schnauss for me: they're mining the same kind of vibe (the one which led me to speculate about shoegaze/IDM links - Morr came out with a Slowdive tribute album last year featuring Schnauss, in fact.) - - A - -- Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ personal email: andrew@lexical.org.uk "... plucking hours from the sky" ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #13 ******************************