From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #12 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 14 2004 Volume 07 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] more cage news! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] ["Eiliv Konglevoll" ] Re: [idealcopy] [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] one from the heart [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] metal urbain [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:40:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] more cage news! from bbc website... The BBC Symphony Orchestra is to give a performance of composer John Cage's seminal piece 4'33" - nearly five minutes of complete silence. BBC Radio 3 is to broadcast the entire composition live, even having to switch off its emergency system which cuts in when there is apparent silence. The late avant-garde composer "wrote" the piece in 1952. The performance takes place on Friday at London's Barbican Centre, as part of a weekend celebrating Cage's work. TV viewers will also be able to watch the event when BBC Four broadcasts the concert, which also features works that music lovers will be able to hear. Cage's reasoning for composing 4'33" was to demonstrate that "wherever we are what we hear mostly is noise". His estate won a bizarre copyright battle in 2002, when composer Mike Batt agreed to pay a six-figure sum to a charity because his album featured a tongue-in-cheek silent track which he credited as co-written by Cage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:17:30 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog >I know, but I tend to lump prog into a box with tolkien, dungeons & dragons & suchlike, probably because I can't stand any of >that stuff. Room 101 territory for me. And me. Except when sung with throaty Larry the Lamb warble. >>Some of the names Ibve thrown in in passing here show how fuzzy the edges are. Was Bowie ever progressive rock? << >He was heading into those waters as early as 1970's 'Width of a Circle', but the lure of being a pop star pulled him back, I guess.. Talking of which...I finally watched Velvet Goldmine the other night. Hmmm. Bit up itself, wasn't it. >> Hendrix? Zeppelin? Were Jethro Tull? << >Hendrix I associate firmly with the 60s - but the other two were certainly consideredc prog at the time. Subsequent events place >Lep in a different family tree but I's say Dull were very much prog. Tull certainly were classed as progressive at the time, though with the benefit of hindsight (and releases like Songs From The Wood), perceptions have probably changed. I have to admit to seeing JT as late as Feb '77 - I accompanied a mate, but in fairness they were good. Not a fan myself, but at least Anderson had his own angle. >For me the Syd-era PF has always made sense whereas it took the best part of 20 years before I acknowledged DSOTM as a >great album. Oh fuck. I'm on my own ; ) I don't mind some of Meddle, but that's pretty much it for me post-Syd - well except for the endearingly naff big hit single! I will never forget sitting through their Pompeii movie twice on the same day in 1977 (it was 'supprting' Born To Boogie). What pompous little twats. >for every Loveless there's three Pale Saints albums to avoid. Weren't they nme faves for a while. I saw them live and they were truly dreadful. It was only all the years of watching shit football matches and refusing to leave early that provided me with the necessary willpower to stay till the end. Quite probably the worse headline act I have ever seen. >There's always room for smarter pop acts. FF are staring to mine new veins of teh post-punk mine, especially the rich Josef K >seam. Like Keith A, I love that "different song" intro on Take me out - I'm trying to think of anyone who's done anything like that >before on a pop single. Excellent stuff. And it's *finally* been released this week. >Age counts massively here. It's hard to imagine just how much difference one >or two years made - in general terms if you were 16 before 1976 you probably >connected with prog. If you were 16 in 1976 or after you probably didn't. Actually I think that's the key to it all. >You're lucky you had teachers who had any form of musical taste! Well I'm rather glad my economics teacher didn't have too much taste or he wouldn't have sold me his copy of the VU&Nico LP! >Plus I find the history interesting, in the case of prog much more >interesting than the music! Me too. Which is why I enjoyed watching programmes like Rock Family Trees even when it was about groups I didn't like. In fact, the Deep Purple one - Blackmore leaves / rejoins / falls out / leaves etc - was one of the best ones. It was like the Fleetwood Mac story without the girls! Keith NP V/A - club suicide 2003 cdr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:19:56 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] > Brighton gig however when The Astbury Duke & Another The Keith & Mark Bursa & > Paul Rabjohn et al were in attendance was truly magnificent & we were all (I > think) standing up. And in certain cases, hugging at the end! A truly wonderful evening. Southside Keithie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:00:49 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] > In a message dated 12/01/2004 11:31:41 GMT Standard Time, > andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > > > If there's a Wire live performance in Britain, I will be there if > > humanly possible: having only seen Wire in the sedentary confines of the > > Barbican... > > > > - Andrew (and if the Pixies or MBV play live, count me emphatically in too) A reliable source tells that MBV is STILL working on their next album. And did you find their song on a collection: We Have All The Time In The World? Eiliv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:43:37 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] > >>A reliable source tells that MBV is STILL working on their next album.<< The story circulating last year was that MBV (ie Kevin Shields) was finishing off unfinished tracks left over from the 'Glider' EP sessions with a view to creating an expanded Glider album for inclusion in a box set. So that'll be in 2009 then. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:05:15 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] > The story circulating last year was that MBV (ie Kevin Shields) was finishing > off unfinished tracks left over from the 'Glider' EP sessions with a view to > creating an expanded Glider album for inclusion in a box set. > > So that'll be in 2009 then. Anyone heard the Soffia Coppola soundtrack stuff yet? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:15:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog > >> >>I know, but I tend to lump prog into a box with tolkien, dungeons & >> dragons &suchlike, probably because I can't stand any of >that stuff. Room 101 >> territory for me. >> >> And me. Except when sung with throaty Larry the Lamb warble.<< Well indeed. Mr Bolan's elf factor was in the top percentile bracket... > >> >>Talking of which...I finally watched Velvet Goldmine the other night. >> Hmmm. Bit up itself, wasn't it.<< A glamourised view of glam. Tortured script too. Also the resemblance of the young reporter to England cricket captain Michael Vaughan made it quite difficult to take the film seriously! Did you spot Donna Elastica's Suzi Quattro cameo, with Teenage Fanclub as the backing band... > >> >>Tull certainly were classed as progressive at the time, though with >> the benefit of hindsight (and releases like Songs From The Wood), perceptions >> have probably changed. I have to admit to seeing JT as late as Feb '77 - I >> accompanied a mate, but in fairness they were good. Not a fan myself, but at >> least Anderson had his own angle.<< They were from Blackpool, y'know. One of them (the bassist probably) had a shitty 4-track studio in the town. > >> >>Oh fuck. I'm on my own ; ) >> >> I don't mind some of Meddle, but that's pretty much it for me post-Syd - >> well except for the endearingly naff big hit single! << They're fine up to Wish you were here. The subsequent stuff is hard going though, with one or two decent tracks only. > >> >>I will never forget sitting through their Pompeii movie twice on the >> same day in 1977 (it was 'supprting' Born To Boogie). What pompous little >> twats.<< Though Dave Gilmour seems a decent bloke when interviewed these days. I met Nick Mason once. Boring bloke into expensive racing cars. > >> >>>Weren't they nme faves for a while. I saw them live and they were >> truly dreadful. It was only all the years of watching shit football matches and >> refusing to leave early that provided me with the necessary willpower to >> stay till the end. Quite probably the worse headline act I have ever seen.<< Now there's a challenge! > >> >>And it's *finally* been released this week.<< The FFerdiand video has on MTV heavy rotation for about 3 months. > >>> >Age counts massively here. It's hard to imagine just how much >> difference one >> >or two years made - in general terms if you were 16 before 1976 you >> probably >> >connected with prog. If you were 16 in 1976 or after you probably didn't. >> >> Actually I think that's the key to it all.<< And finances! You needed money to buy all those prog albums! > >> >>Me too. Which is why I enjoyed watching programmes like Rock Family >> Trees even when it was about groups I didn't like. In fact, the Deep Purple >> one - Blackmore leaves / rejoins / falls out / leaves etc - was one of the >> best ones. It was like the Fleetwood Mac story without the girls!<< Well you're in luck - BBC4 next Monday is showing the Prog family tree and a 45-minute documentary entitled something like "Prog - shite, or what". Whoop de do. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:14:41 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] one from the heart > Anyone heard the Soffia Coppola soundtrack stuff yet? Wassat Keith? Funnily enough I was just looking at the new 2 disc DVD of 'One from the Heart' due for release on 27th January. http://www.onefromtheheartmovie.com/news_dvd.html Disc one A stunning new high-definition transfer, supervised by Academy-Award (R) winning cinematographer Vittorio Storaro (Apocalypse Now, The Last Emperor) Feature length, screen specific audio commentary by director Francis Ford Coppola Soundtrack remixed and remastered in Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound from the original Tom Waits studio sessions Isolated music only track in 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround Disc two The Making of One from the Heart (1982): A fascinating look at the film and the filmmakers, this documentary was made during filming in 1981. The Dream Studio (2003): An inside look at the revolutionary Zoetrope Studios Hollywood launched by Francis Ford Coppola in 1980. This film charts the vision and optimism of the studio's early days through its financial turmoil and eventual sale. The Dream Studio reveals the truly groundbreaking ideas and the many innovations and inventions that were tried here for the first time and have since become the model for all modern filmmaking. Tom Waits and the Music of One from the Heart (2003) An intimate portrait of the legendary singer/songwriter following his journey as he composes the words and music for Francis Coppola's movie musical. Through interviews and behind the scenes footage we get a rare view of his creative process and his collaborative relationships with director Coppola, singer Crystal Gayle and others. 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Allegedly! = http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/friendsreunited.asp?wci=3Dmembernotes&me= mber_key=3D12652887 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Friends Reunited - Member Notes.url] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:59:52 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog Excellent thread, this. ATKeith.... >>But that is an artificial distinction which has been introduced in the past few years by the pejorative bprogb. This wasnbt a phrase around at the time b it was all just bprogressiveb.<< I think the perjorative 'prog' was around in 77 - certainly among those of us who were never into prog in the first place. >>I donbt think Ibve got any progressive albums with references to goblins and elves (although Bo Hanssonbs music inspired by Lord of the Rings perhaps refers to them by implication although not lyrically as itbs instrumental).<< I know, but I tend to lump prog into a box with tolkien, dungeons & dragons & suchlike, probably because I can't stand any of that stuff. Room 101 territory for me. But Yes, ELP, Genesis etc do tend to wuffle on about nothing in particular.... >>B Flying Teapots yes, but I think webve discounted Gong havenbt we?B << Hippies rather than proggers, if we must genericise to the n'th degree. >> And I for one like a bit of musical complexity from time to time as long as itbs in the service of the music and not the ego of the player b so for example I like Yes (who were virtuoso but played as a unit) but hate Clapton and all those other guitar heroes ( I omit Hendrix and Jimmy Page from any criticism at this and all future junctures).<< Musical complexity is fine if it's played with a bit of style, passion, heart, call it what you will. Or innovation and originality. JH & JP qualify on both counts. Clapton on neither. >>B But T Dream are primarily instrumental whereas all British bands had vocalists (at least I canbt think of a band of that era that didnbt) b the lyrical aspect is very important to progressive rock, unlike Krautrock where b if used b the lyrics are less, um, poetic (Duul may be an exception here).<< I suspect this was a reaction to German beat groups in the 60s making a living from playing covers of British & American songs. As a 'German' identity was established, the bands became reluctant to sing in English - yet probably would have struggled to sell records sung in German. Plus with no tradition of German rock, the bands looked to various branches of the avant-garde - Jazz, classical etc. Hence Can recruiting first an American vocalist, then a Japanese. You don't really get shameless German vocals till Kraftwerk - and even then only sporadically. The lack of German-sung original rock music was certainly a major gripe of the early 80s German post-punks, and it remains a problem. >>B I see Canbs British equivalent as someone like Henry Cow b experimentalists schooled in the avant-garde and ploughing a furrow out there on the edge.B In fact the early Virgin artists b Robert Wyatt, Hatfield and the North, Slapp Happy, Egg b are much more akin to Krautrock in my view b they certainly floated by boat in similar ways at the time.<< I have to claim ignorance of the Henry Cow/Slapp Happy back catalogue. It certainly seems to lack Big Prog's bombast, though what little I have heard left little impression. I do like Robert Wyatt though so perhaps I should add some of those bands to the list of stuff to investigate. >>Some of the names Ibve thrown in in passing here show how fuzzy the edges are.B Was Bowie ever progressive rock?B << He was heading into those waters as early as 1970's 'Width of a Circle', but the lure of being a pop star pulled him back, I guess.. >> Hendrix? Zeppelin?B Were Jethro Tull? << Hendrix I associate firmly with the 60s - but the other two were certainly consideredc prog at the time. Subsequent events place Lep in a different family tree but I's say Dull were very much prog. >>Some have blues influence, some folk b is there a distinction to be made? << Blues & Folk both play a big part in prog, together with jazz & classical influences, as befits a movement peopled by trained musos... >>Hawkwind (mentioned in your subsequent post) were somehow always just outside at the time, probably because they werenbt instrumental virtuosos.B Is it a class thing?<< Almost certainly. Prog was very middle class. As you say, grammar school boys. Mine was riddled with bleedin' proggers, and this lies at the heart of my dislike of it. >> As for the bands now Ibd have had no hesitation on seeing Sigur Ros as progressive in b72 (probably why I love them so much).B GYBE would have been lumped in with the Virgin lot. Radiohead would probably have got in under the radar, for Paranoid Android if nothing else.<< Paranoid Android is probably the evidence for the prosecution against Radiohead. The subsequent albums are progessive with a lower case p. Of current bands two stand out as being clasic Prog with a capital P. Muse and Mars Volta. Andrew W.... >>There's a really core point here, I think.B Radiohead's self-proclaimed major influences when they were starting were British post-punk, the Pixies, the Smiths, and Dinosaur Jr; they've covered Can (The Thief) and Magazine (Shot by Both Sides, inevitably) live. From that, it'd be hard to label them as a prog act; but their music is at times very tricksy.<< Tricksy doesn't equate to Prog or else Aphex, Autechre, Four Tet etc would all be deemed Prog. >>Weren't Wire labelled "Punk Floyd" at the time (probably cause they were on Harvest)?<< And because their 2nd & 3rd albums "progressed" rapily from the Pink Flag blueprint... And also becaue the NME subs' desk waited two years to be able to use that headline ;-) >> A lot of Floyd's lyrical concerns were not too dissimilar from what the artier end of post-punk aimed straight for a few years later. (It seems, to me, to make more sense to think of Floyd as two bands: with Syd Barrett, and without.)<< I've always seem them this way. Consider them as you would Joy Division and New Order. For me the Syd-era PF has always made sense whereas it took the best part of 20 years before I acknowledged DSOTM as a great album. >>Hypercomplex musical structures are everywhere: through experimental electronic stuff, or the fully-fledged revival of shoegaze as electronica going on via Ulrich Schnauss, Boards of Canada, Posthuman, and friends (which I love: this is scaring the hell out of me, as I've always heard the propaganda about shoegaze mostly being boring toss and never bothered investigating it), << Frankly don't see much connection between hypercomplex electronica and shogazing, which was basically guitar rock played slow'n'droney. Certainly not hypercomplex, or even plain vanilla complex. Of course MBV were the prime exponent - - though for every Loveless there's three Pale Saints albums to avoid. I'd say shoegazing's toss:genius ratio is no worse than any other micro-genre. Also around that time were arguably better US bands like Galaxie 500, Codeine, Ultra Vivid Scene etc, which were around at the same time, and sharing the same bills as UK shoegazers. >>So what the hell *is* prog these days? It looks like you get labelled prog if you're either a) excessively musicianly in a showy way (bad thing) << In which case you deserve to be! >>or b) smart, particularly in an abstract/intellectual sense (good thing, IMO, although opinions vary). << this is why Radiohead get lumped in as prog. >>You seem to be able to get away with b) if you _play_ dumb: the Pixies knew exactly what they were doing, McLusky for one are the same now<< Though neither of these bands is musically showy in any way. They don't sound like prog at all... McLusky's new single is excellent too - though a lot more poppy than previoius efforts. >> (and it seems Franz Ferdinand are aiming for that niche too); but if you have the gall to play up that side of your character, then watch out.<< There's always room for smarter pop acts. FF are staring to mine new veins of teh post-punk mine, especially the rich Josef K seam. Like Keith A, I love that "different song" intro on Take me out - I'm trying to think of anyone who's done anything like that before on a pop single. Excellent stuff. >>The shock factor musically doesn't seem to be there any more: anything sounding like '70s prog just sounds very dated to me.<< Step forward Muse. >> That's something I think punk is directly responsible for: severing the link between intellectual and musical complexity, which to me seems to be what Mark was getting at with the comparison of Krautrock and BritProg (please correct me if I'm wrong).<< I think it made those bands look ridiculous, with their pretentious tours and stage shows and their subject matter that connected on neither a macro-political/social nor personal scale. They were rendered instantly obsolete. Who cared about some coke-addled tosser in a cape playing a 40-minute synth solo. The binmen were on strike. >>You'd have to try damn hard to get away with the same level of pretension ELP managed, thank God.<< And woe betide anyone who tries... DJFake... >>Also, don't forget the Continent. The Italians had an entire scene that was unique from the UK (and I'm not really talking about PFM or Banco). And the French did a lot with electronics (Heldon, Zanov et al) that was a lot more ruggged than Jean Michael Jarre.<< Not to mention the likes of Magma, beloved of snooker ace Steve "interesting" Davis. >> And Germany had a lot more than Kraut. e.g. Hoelderlin, A.R. & Machines, Grobschnitt, Agitation Free...<< A forgotten genre if ever there was one - Non-Krautrock German '70s prog. Achtung! Velvet Minen! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:12:02 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In a message dated 1/12/04 6:23:04 PM Central Standard Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > Hi Andrew > > You may not remember but I sat 2 seats away from you at the Barbican gig.The > > Brighton gig however when The Astbury Duke & Another The Keith & Mark Bursa & > > Paul Rabjohn et al were in attendance was truly magnificent & we were all ( > I > think) standing up. > Wonderful. Especially meeting Graham & Bruce before in the pub. > Also saw Appliance for the first time that night which was great. > > Chris maybe the next time Wire plays live Paul Rabjohn can have newly acquired "wire - in vivo silly putty in an egg promotional item" autographed?? congrats on a fine ebay win Paul! ; ) RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:17:32 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart >> Anyone heard the Soffia Coppola soundtrack stuff yet? > Aside...I'm almost certain I saw her walking into a bar nr the Soho Theatre, > London around Virgin Suicides time. She was beautiful - photo's don't do her > justice. Neither do her films then... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:36:16 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] now that would be silly :-) (still searching for an "a bell is a cup" promotional mug. does anyone here have one of these splendid items?) p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:30:23 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog > They were from Blackpool, y'know. One of them (the bassist probably) had a > shitty 4-track studio in the town. The only studio I've been in was owned by one of The Black Abbots!! For our non-UK listee's they were an old UK comedy group. Very good studio it was, too - The Mighty Wah had just recorded A Word to the Wise Guy there. The Black Abbot in question - Bobby Black Abbot! - was great. Although he had little to do with running of the studio, he was there to meet us and put us all at ease before we started by playing with a wind-up frog. And then he and the producer trotted off leaving us to warm up on our own. Daft as it sounds, it worked. > Though Dave Gilmour seems a decent bloke when interviewed these days. Yeah, to be fair he does. > Quite probably the worse headline act I have ever seen.<< > > Now there's a challenge! Come on then ; ) > > >> >>And it's *finally* been released this week.<< > > The FFerdiand video has on MTV heavy rotation for about 3 months. Don't I know it. I've been looking for it for ages as a result. I'd started to give up hope of it ever getting released. The other tracks are pretty good, too. I think they're a pretty promising act. > And finances! You needed money to buy all those prog albums! I had a theory that Genesis were set up to act as a pathway to the evils of prog rock. Pull people in gently with their harmless brand and then ease them onto the really evil stuff ; ) Keith np the the - nakedself ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:28:26 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Singapore Sling for those fans of The Jesus & Mary Chain/Velvet Underground/slight elements of "krautrock" please check out "The Curse of Singapore Sling" by Singapore Sling...you won't be sorry... sorry if this has already been mentioned..as most of you know, i never pay attention (or retain memories of information is more accurate).. RL (still smarting over getting beaten to the bargain bin by a friend who found "Full On Mask Hysteria" by Altern-8 last night) np - Simon Raymonde "Blame Someone Else" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:30:11 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog In a message dated 1/13/04 1:24:49 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Bobby Black Abbot! - was great. Although he > had little to do with running of the studio, he was there to meet us and put > us all at ease before we started by playing with a wind-up frog. And then he > and the producer trotted off leaving us to warm up on our own. Daft as it > sounds, it worked. you could have requested a small black reptile... RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:00:21 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:Franz Ferdinand >>Don't I know it. I've been looking for it for ages as a result. I'd started to give up hope of it ever getting released. The other tracks are pretty good, too. I think they're a pretty promising act.<< It's number 2 in the midweek charts apparently... http://playlouder.com/news/~themids/?key=2248d2-207b5f ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:15:21 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Pere Ubu goes commercial Probably just for U.S. listers: anyone else notice that the latest commercial for Monster.com uses Pere Ubu's "Wasted"? Sounds like the original performance too. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:13:53 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sutcliffe who > Tim > > > > Off to play some Sutcliffe Jugend loudly. In days long past, before I learnt a smattering of German or made the Hitler Youth connection, I actually used to pronounce the second half of their name phonetically. Fortunately they never cropped up much in conversation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:14:52 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart >> > Anyone heard the Soffia Coppola soundtrack stuff yet? >> >> Wassat Keith? > >Lost In Translation. Apparently there's previously unreleased MBV stuff on >it. Read an article recently that went on about her persuasive powers, wh*ch >used the fact that she got Kevin Shields involved as evidence! saw the movie last week ... didn't pay much attention to the score, mainly because i'd forgotten about shields' role until i saw him listed in the closing credits, though i remember thinking that it was pretty good. i was more impressed by the very appropriate use of the jamc's just like honey in pretty much the final scene. was also amused by a japanese karaoke attempt at anarchy in the uk, not to mention an appropriate strip-bar use of peaches' fuck the pain away. the movie itself ... pretty decent, though in my eyes hardly the masterpiece that many have proclaimed it. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:21:12 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sutcliffe who In a message dated 1/13/04 3:15:34 PM Central Standard Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > > > Off to play some Sutcliffe Jugend loudly. > > In days long past, before I learnt a smattering of German or made the Hitler > Youth connection, I actually used to pronounce the second half of their name > phonetically. > Fortunately they never cropped up much in conversation. > so, for a german who doesn't speak any german, how is it pronounced? RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:54:37 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] patrick miller/minimal man r.i.p. despite learning via e-mail on 12/17 of the death of patrick miller of u.s. synthpunk pioneers minimal man, the reissue of whose first 2 lps in particular i've long championed, i don't think i mentioned it here because i thought the band was too obscure ... but maybe not. i was quite astonished today to open up my just-arrived subscription copy of time magazine & read the 2nd entry in the "notebook" listing of notable recent deaths: "died. patrick miller, 51, pioneer of electronic and industrial music and leader of the 1980s experimental 'anti-music' rock group minimal man; in los angeles. he bridged punk and industrial musci with aggressive blasts of noise and electronic effects in a band whose name was inspired by people living in the ghettos of san francisco -- a minimal man being someone with 'everything against him.'" & no one will reissue the early stuff? criminal. at least someone at time, of all places, appears to know their stuff ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:34:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sutcliffe who > so, for a german who doesn't speak any german, how is it pronounced? Yoo-gend Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:45:57 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart At 07:14 AM 1/13/2004 -0600, dan bailey wrote: >>Lost In Translation. Apparently there's previously unreleased MBV stuff on >>it. Read an article recently that went on about her persuasive powers, wh*ch >>used the fact that she got Kevin Shields involved as evidence! > >the movie itself ... pretty decent, though in my eyes hardly the masterpiece >that many have proclaimed it. Funny, that's what I've always thought about MBV! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:23:52 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart >At 07:14 AM 1/13/2004 -0600, dan bailey wrote: >>>Lost In Translation. Apparently there's previously unreleased MBV stuff on >>>it. Read an article recently that went on about her persuasive powers, wh*ch >>>used the fact that she got Kevin Shields involved as evidence! >> >>the movie itself ... pretty decent, though in my eyes hardly the masterpiece >>that many have proclaimed it. > >Funny, that's what I've always thought about MBV! > >later, > >Miles same here, actually. quite influential, obviously, but (to reopen a can of worms from a couple of weeks ago) not a patch on psychocandy-era jamc. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 08:24:50 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: one from the heart >>Lost In Translation. Apparently there's previously unreleased MBV stuff on >>it. Read an article recently that went on about her persuasive powers, wh*ch >>used the fact that she got Kevin Shields involved as evidence! > >saw the movie last week ... didn't pay much attention to the score, mainly >because i'd forgotten about shields' role until i saw him listed in the >closing credits, though i remember thinking that it was pretty good. i was >more impressed by the very appropriate use of the jamc's just like honey in >pretty much the final scene. was also amused by a japanese karaoke attempt >at anarchy in the uk, whoops -- in the interest of accuracy, make that god save the queen. dan not to mention an appropriate strip-bar use of >peaches' fuck the pain away. > >the movie itself ... pretty decent, though in my eyes hardly the masterpiece >that many have proclaimed it. > >dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 17:53:02 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] OT: for shriekback fans........ http://www.brilliantfish.com/media/fadedflowers_mix.mp3 enjoy.Ari Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:10:37 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T there's other stuff there too.......... http://www.brilliantfish.com/media/ Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:01:42 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more cage news! In a message dated 1/13/04 4:36:06 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > >The BBC Symphony Orchestra is to give a performance of composer John Cage's >seminal piece 4'33" - nearly five minutes of complete silence. >BBC Radio 3 is to broadcast the entire composition live a bit like edgar bergen doing ventriliquism on the radio isn't it? how do we know the pianist is really performing cage's composition? :o) i did get to see 4'33" performed once at carnegie hall, not by cage, but he was there and i met him afterwards. met him on two other occasions. not to sound like george sr., but he really was a very kind, gentle man. - -paul c.d. np- first 3 psych furs cd reissues ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:08:42 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog In a message dated 1/13/04 5:13:18 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > at >least Anderson had his own angle. i know! sometimes that leg was up at like 135 degrees to the one he stood on! - -another the paul p.s. alright alright. i will admit to seeing them as late as the 'a' album...sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 01:44:30 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] metal urbain for those interested ... i just got through ordering the following from www.acuterecords.com -- >>oh yeah...the Metal Urbain CD Anarchy in Paris! comes out this week finally, for the first time in america, all remastered, lots of unreleased stuff, extensive(and I mean EXTENSIVE) liner notes from Jacques, << reissues of the metal boys & dr remix are planned for the next few months as well ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:54:11 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] metal urbain In a message dated 14/01/2004 07:53:50 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > oh yeah...the Metal Urbain CD Anarchy in Paris! comes > out this week finally, for the first time in america, > all remastered, lots of unreleased stuff, > extensive(and I mean EXTENSIVE) liner notes from > Jacques, << > > reissues of the metal boys &dr remix are planned for the next few months as > well ... > > dan > Thanks for that Dan. Am a Metal Urbain fan myself.Had them mentioned on the list beforehand a few times.Paris Maqais is a classic punk anthem.Must get those lyrics translated one day.Although Fascist is easy enough ! Chris ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #12 ******************************