From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V7 #9 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 11 2004 Volume 07 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog [Bart van Damme ] RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! ["Tim ****" ] [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog [dj =?ISO-8859-1?Q?fak=E9?= <] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you will ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... ["Tim ****" ] [idealcopy] [OT] Monster! [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:11:32 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog > Yes - that's a zeitgeist thing that was present in German film at the > time too - Wenders especially wrestled with how Germany could be > different from the US ("The Americans have colonized our sub-conscious"). Edgar Reitz' stunning tv-series "Heimat" also touches upon this. Especially the scene where the music students start questioning whether Stockhausen is the right music for the time or the (Sgt. Pepper era) Beatles. > I recall Ian MacDonald calling Bowie' Station to Station' a European album > - and this was prior to Bowie's move to Berlin. I can't remember Bowie other than advocating his Europeanness (despite of some strong American influences in his music). Brecht/Weil & Brell's heritage in pop is another example of this (think Ian McCulloch and again Bowie). Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 11:18:20 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! > As an aside.....Wakeman played on Sabbeth's > 'Sabbeth Bloody Sabbeth' That's three times an incorrectly spelled Sabbath... or is this an accent thing? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:32:08 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! - -----Original Message----- From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] Sent: 10 January 2004 10:18 To: wire-news Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! > As an aside.....Wakeman played on Sabbeth's > 'Sabbeth Bloody Sabbeth' That's three times an incorrectly spelled Sabbath... or is this an accent thing? ;-) Bart - ---It's what you and I would call a mistake, mate - bit like my Yes track listing advice!!! Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 12:52:40 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! Bart - Are my messages to you getting through? IC seems to be fine... Puzzled Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] Sent: 10 January 2004 12:05 To: Clements, Bruno - BUP Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! OFFLINE: >>> As an aside.....Wakeman played on Sabbeth's >>> 'Sabbeth Bloody Sabbeth' >> That's three times an incorrectly spelled Sabbath... >> or is this an accent thing? ;-) >> Bart > ---It's what you and I would call a mistake, mate - bit like my Yes track > listing advice!!! And like the countless ones in my mails Bruno! ;-) You working again on a Saturday? Bart NP: Gavin Bryars' The Last Days String quartet played by the Balanescu Quartet ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:59:45 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! > As an aside.....Wakeman played on Sabbeth's > 'Sabbeth Bloody Sabbeth' That's three times an incorrectly spelled Sabbath... or is this an accent thing? ;-) - ---It's what you and I would call a mistake, mate - bit like my Yes track listing advice!!! Yes a mistake, i know it's really Sebbeth, ;-) I can't say i'm a fan really & by my spelling you can obviously tell np c93 seahorse rears.. Tim - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:32:08 -0000 - -----Original Message----- From: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] Sent: 10 January 2004 10:18 To: wire-news Subject: [Maybe Spam] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! > As an aside.....Wakeman played on Sabbeth's > 'Sabbeth Bloody Sabbeth' That's three times an incorrectly spelled Sabbath... or is this an accent thing? ;-) Bart - ---It's what you and I would call a mistake, mate - bit like my Yes track listing advice!!! Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Send mobile Christmas cards, download a festive ringtone and win a Motorola E365. Go to: http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/christmas.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:12:59 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! >> So, for my money, who is the best "classic rock" guitarist? > Tough call. I'm pretty fond of Tony Iommi, myself (I consider early > Sabbath to be classic rock) and you can never go wrong with Pete > Townshend, in my humble opinion. If we're only talking "classic" I'd pick Townshend yeah... [Telecaster]Bart[man] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:11:21 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! >> So, who is the best "classic rock" guitarist? - ---Frank Zappa's solo on Watermelon in Easter hay, at the end of Joe's Garage, was always one of my favourites but the Guitar series of discs has not aged very well IMHO. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 16:15:05 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V7 #8 >Robert wrote: >"speaking of going-out-of-business...isn't it alarming how many record >stores >are going under...independent as well as chain-stores.... > >very sad....the internet may well be the death of record shops.... >in my opinion nothing can take the place of spending hours alone >searching >for old vinyl and cds....". > I've noticed this as well, although my favorite Atlanta music stores, Criminal Records and Wax N' Facts, seem to be doing okay (Criminal Records has to sell comics, toys, etc. as well as records now, however). Younger people these days tend to view music simply as data instead of as album and CD packages. This is a shame because, for me, presentation is an important aspect of an album: liner notes, album cover art, etc. I'm not sure if my view of albums will survive. Jason Now Playing: China Crisis - "Working With Fire And Steel" _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:03:39 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Yes? No!!! Was Tommy Iommi not the guitarplayer who is missing a piece of one of his fingers? An accident happened once in a Factory where he was working. Maybe he is the best guitar paralympic rock guitar player. And the other Black Sabbath member. Osbourne. He is also missing something in my opinion, that makes him funny. I would say Ritchie Blackmore Hendrix Jimmy Page and the Dutch Akkerman Pete Townshend yeah that's was a good one Akker > >> So, for my money, who is the best "classic rock" guitarist? > > > Tough call. I'm pretty fond of Tony Iommi, myself (I consider early > > Sabbath to be classic rock) and you can never go wrong with Pete > > Townshend, in my humble opinion. > > If we're only talking "classic" I'd pick Townshend yeah... > > [Telecaster]Bart[man] ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jan 2004 11:09:15 -0600 From: dj =?ISO-8859-1?Q?fak=E9?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog perhaps the genre owes more than a two paragraph blow-off. Witness Van Der Graaf Generator, Soft Machine, even Hawkwind or even early Caravan. Genuine. it has been said that the Progressive Quandry was that it was the end of a genetic line. There was simply no where to go once you crossed Topographic Oceans. However it is best judged album by album. Also, don't forget the Continent. The Italians had an entire scene that was unique from the UK (and I'm not really talking about PFM or Banco). And the French did a lot with electronics (Heldon, Zanov et al) that was a lot more ruggged than Jean Michael Jarre. And Germany had a lot more than Kraut. e.g. Hoelderlin, A.R. & Machines, Grobschnitt, Agitation Free... c www.progressiverock.com > I think there's a significant distinction between progressive and Prog. Prog > evolved as a specifically UK phenomenon when psychedelic rockers like Pink > Floyd and Tomorrow started taking different drugs, reading Tolkien and > listening > to folk. And spending their royalties on synthesizers. There was a clear > progression from beat combo to psych rocker to Progger. The injection of > post-Sgt > Pepper "English whimsy" didn't help either. > > Musicianship became of increasing importance, hence the emergence of virtuoso > players (often ex-sessionmen like Rick Wakemen or Jimmy Page) as part of the > 70s 'rock royalty'. > This unhappy cocktail led to music of increasing complexity (13/29 time, > duodecahedronic scales and such like) accompanying cosmic, smack-addled old > bollocks about goblins and elves. (is your blood pressure rising yet, > progfans? > Good.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:38:29 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you will > Is it a class thing? As for the bands > now I'd have had no hesitation on seeing Sigur Ros as progressive in '72 > (probably why I love them so much). GYBE would have been lumped in with > the Virgin lot. Radiohead would probably have got in under the radar, > for Paranoid Android if nothing else. > Another the Keith No-one seems to have mentioned emotion, feeling, soul, call it what you will. ( ) by Sigur Ros moves me. Even though I quite like Radiohead, much of their post-Bends work (inc much of OK Computer) leaves me cold, in much the same way as, say, Relayer did. Most great music has soul in it. Whether it's the obvious (e.g. Marvin Gaye singing What's Going On) or the electro noodlings of Four Tet's Rounds, music generally works best for me when there's some HEART in it. And as clever as most of Radioheads latterday stuff is, and as much as they look like they mean it (maaaannnn!!!) I don't *hear* a lot of heart in it (There There a *huge* notable exception). Other less obvious things I find 'soulful' off the top of my head (and I await the ridicule!)... In no order whatsoever: Latter half of Moby's Everything is Wrong album. (I know he's considered the anti-christ on these pages, but When It's Cold I'd Like To Die, etc, have a real soulful beauty about them) Head Hang Low (Julian Cope) (Peel session version. Julian feels his way without the Teardrops, plummy English vocals with added vulnerability) Kevin Shields gtr playing on Loveless How Soon Is Now Richard Ashcroft (vocs) & Brian Wilson (vocals / arrangement) on the last Richard Ashcroft album Thief (Can) Bolan's voice. Fuck knows what he was on about half the time but at least he sounded like he meant it! (and the single high pitched gtr note on Left Hand Luke. My choice as the most vulnerable moment in pop!!) Holes (Mercury Rev) (So fragile sounding it could break at any minute) Nick Drake (does someone's death add to feeling that they meant it?) That churning gtr riff on Rail (Main) Fall In Love With Me (Iggy) Ian Curtis vocals on New Dawn Fades Scott Walker (even on some of the Walker Bros cheesy moments) Templates (Silo) Beyond The Sun LP (Billy Mac - see Nick Drake) The holes / vastness / hopelessness on Moonbeams (For Carnation) Dusty In Memphis (esp I Can't Make It...) Johnny Rotten on Anarchy in the UK (forget the panto dame perception. He meant it!) I Don't Know What You Want... (PSB's) (WHAT??? Well I had to include something by them cos this PSB's just do irony school of thought annoys me) and so on... and, picking a Wire moment... I Should Have Known Better well yeah, maybe I should have ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:53:42 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? > Weren't Wire labelled "Punk Floyd" at the time (probably cause they > were on Harvest)? Well there is definitely a connection btwn 70's Wire and 60's Floyd. Colin's early solo stuff is also very much in the Syd tradition (Being a bit of a Syd fan, I like that English Syd-like 'whimsy' that Julian Cope also did way back when. Another exponent is solo Captain Sensible (Wot? Well apart from the hits of the course!). There's even the odd Syd moment on the Capt tracks on Strawberries) > A lot of Floyd's lyrical concerns were not too > dissimilar from what the artier end of post-punk aimed straight for a > few years later. (It seems, to me, to make more sense to think of > Floyd as two bands: with Syd Barrett, and without.) I've not read the book, but this Julians intro to "Crazy Diamond: Syd Barrett & the Dawn of Pink Floyd" by Mike Watkinson & Pete Anderson seemed vaguely appropriate. "The cramping restrictions of being forced too soon into a narrow commercial mould caused unbearable pain to Barrett - it is almost impossible for an artist to limit himself to the attainable - but the attainable was just what the other members of Pink Floyd required. When he came to this knowledge, I believe Syd Barrett's tenuous grasp on reality was lost - he fell down into the void. It was Artistic Death and a tragedy of legendary proportions." Keith np Moonbeams - for carnation (just had to hear those holes and that vastness & helplessness!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:07:02 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... In a message dated 10/01/2004 18:33:45 GMT Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Most great music has soul in it. Whether it's the obvious (e.g. Marvin Gaye > singing What's Going On) or the electro noodlings of Four Tet's Rounds, > music generally works best for me when there's some HEART in it. And as > clever as most of Radioheads latterday stuff is, and as much as they look > like they mean it (maaaannnn!!!) I don't *hear* a lot of heart in it (There > There a *huge* notable exception). > ////interesting thread going here , to hear some different takes on "prog". i've got a german friend who's a huge fan of early 80's prog (marillion , IQ , pallas and such horrors). my (only slightly tongue in cheek) comment on this stuff is that it's like rock n roll with all the "black" elements (soul , funkiness , sex) removed. i'd certainly describe the "yelpesis" scene in much the same way (especially if i was trying to wind up a phil collins fan) , whereas can or neu! can groove with the best of 'em. never really saw a link between prog and krautrock unless you want to play around with definitions of the word "progressive" , which seems like semantics really. as for radiohead , i never really "got" them at first. then i recall sitting down watching their "ok computer" era glastonbury performance and thinking "shit , somebody's finally done prog in a decent way". even though the lyrical concerns of TY are a mile away from their 70's predecessors , and he sure seems to mean it , it does come over in that sort of detached way.............maybe you mean "soul" rather than "heart" keith? (when TY got to host an hour of R6 he chose sessions by pixies , MBV and can. shove that lot in a blender and i guess you'd get something not a million miles from radiohead) and of course class does crop up here as well ; prog seems to excite the public schoolboy disproportionately for some reason. hence i suspect another reason several punk-era types were less than keen (or felt the need to act that way) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:40:27 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? > Well there is definitely a connection btwn 70's Wire and 60's Floyd. The band was on Harvest. The band changed direction significantly after the departure of an early guitar-playing member. The bass player writes the words which are sung by the guitarist, who writes the melodies. The other instrumentalist in the band is slightly older than his colleagues, has a distinctive sound and contributes some of the words. Album covers are minimal, relying on a strong single image. The word 'Pink' figures strongly, followed by a word beginning with 'F' Which band am I talking about? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:18:54 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... On Sat, Jan 10, 2004 at 02:07:02PM -0500, PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > as for radiohead , i never really "got" them at first. then i recall > sitting down watching their "ok computer" era glastonbury > performance and thinking "shit , somebody's finally done prog in a > decent way". even though the lyrical concerns of TY are a mile away > from their 70's predecessors , and he sure seems to mean it , it > does come over in that sort of detached way.............maybe you > mean "soul" rather than "heart" keith? What Radiohead are about, to me, is very simple. It's *fear*. Thom Yorke seems to write almost solely about his deep terror of the world he lives in, whether directly or via raging at it (though that usually comes off less well). It's an honest reflection of how he feels - but is that soul? Not sure, and certainly not in the conventional sense, given that it's often more about emotional _paralysis_ than emotion itself. No surprise I'm a fan, then, given his concerns. > (when TY got to host an hour of R6 he chose sessions by pixies , MBV > and can. shove that lot in a blender and i guess you'd get > something not a million miles from radiohead) Yep. Punk + shoegaze + krautrock = neo-prog? (I guess you could come up with something similar for the Smashing Pumpkins, who I was never really into...) > and of course class does crop up here as well ; prog seems to excite > the public schoolboy disproportionately for some reason. hence i > suspect another reason several punk-era types were less than keen > (or felt the need to act that way) I'm a public schoolboy, but so was Joe Strummer so I'm not about to apologise; but there's a definite over-intellectual earnestness about a lot of prog that appeals to the teenager who's not quite as smart as he thinks he is (not that I've ever been like that... *ahem*) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:15:35 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? > > Well there is definitely a connection btwn 70's Wire and 60's Floyd. > > The band was on Harvest. (snip) > The word 'Pink' figures strongly, followed by a word beginning with 'F' > > Which band am I talking about? Differences... More than one of the band members has talent. They're not multi-millionaires. They weren't shit in the 70's. And I don't want to twat the bass player. Or the drummer. Which band am *I* talking about ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? I know...erm Bob Dylan right?Ouch!stop poking me in the ribs...ouch ouch........... Keith Astbury wrote:> > Well there is definitely a connection btwn 70's Wire and 60's Floyd. > > The band was on Harvest. (snip) > The word 'Pink' figures strongly, followed by a word beginning with 'F' > > Which band am I talking about? Differences... More than one of the band members has talent. They're not multi-millionaires. They weren't shit in the 70's. And I don't want to twat the bass player. Or the drummer. Which band am *I* talking about ; ) Keith Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:46:10 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? In a message dated 1/10/04 3:14:34 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > They weren't shit in the 70's. > > i do not believe that pink Floyd were shit in the 70's...especially the early 70's RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > (I guess you could come up with something similar for the Smashing > Pumpkins, who I was never really into...) I always used to despise them, and then a year ago I bought the Greatest Hits disc on the theory that things which really get on my nerves often have a kernel of something that intrigues me. Just got around to playing it now... and I find I like it, no annoyance mixed it. Baffling. I doubt I'll run out to grab the albums proper, though. As for Radiohead, I got Kid A on a similar theory and loved it, but the first three albums remain a great source of vexation to me. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:46:39 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [Maybe Spam] [idealcopy] Another bloody top 100!! >> speaking very obliquely of which, just a couple of nights ago i screened >> velvet goldmine for my gf, who was, shall we say, not overly impressed. >> probably helps if you're heavily into the music (the "death of glam" >concert >> that kicks off with the thunderous opening chords of 20th century boy has >to >> be one of my favorite cinematic moments of recent years) ... any thoughts? >> >> dan > >well would you believe i've never seen it! > >fancied it, then heard it was shit, then hard it wasn't so bad after all, >etc etc. > >will try and get to see it next week on C4. Don't worry Robert, I have a new >red feather boa which I will ensure I wear for the viewing ; ) as noted, i quite like it, but i'm aware that opinion is *extremely* divided on it. speaking of glam movies, as born to boogie ever been released on vhs or dvd? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:49:29 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Here's mine... >> >WHAM BAM THANK YOU GLAM - Jeremy Nouche & Mick Middles >> > >> saw repeated & varied-priced listings for this a couple of days ago while >> scanning abebooks to see if middles' book on the fall was obtainable over >> here (apparently not) ... keith's endorsement certainly warrants purchase, >> i'd say. > >I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it, Dan. I picked it up dirt cheap and it >was a fun quick read, but that's about it. It's certainly not an in-depth >study!! > no worries ... i'm getting it at $10, at which price it helped elevate past the magic $50-free-shipping level an order centered on a 1930 copy of john collier's full circle (in the uk, tom's a-cold), for which i've been searching ever since i saw it mentioned in the sf encyclopedia when i was 19 or so. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:21:27 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... I just don't 'Get' Radiohead or all those anthemic bands (Manic St Preachers, Travis & whatever) at all. I equate Radiohead to 1970's era Genesis...yuk! I personally like passion, commitment, anger, sarcasm, insight etc! - preferably in under 3 min not 15 min of angst riddled twaddle. Obviously i like soundbites too! Tim Off to play some Sutcliffe Jugend loudly. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Aaron Mandel To: Andrew Walkingshaw CC: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:50:24 -0500 (EST) On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > (I guess you could come up with something similar for the Smashing > Pumpkins, who I was never really into...) I always used to despise them, and then a year ago I bought the Greatest Hits disc on the theory that things which really get on my nerves often have a kernel of something that intrigues me. Just got around to playing it now... and I find I like it, no annoyance mixed it. Baffling. I doubt I'll run out to grab the albums proper, though. As for Radiohead, I got Kid A on a similar theory and loved it, but the first three albums remain a great source of vexation to me. a _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:27:32 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: A brief history of prog / call it soul, call it what you ... > > and he sure seems to mean it , it > > does come over in that sort of detached way.............maybe you > > mean "soul" rather than "heart" keith? Call it soul, call it what you will! > What Radiohead are about, to me, is very simple. > > It's *fear*. Really? Fear's a pretty strong word (I want to come on all grandad like and ask what the bloody hell a rich, successful, middle-class pop star has got to be scared of!) Not sure I know what Radiohead are about to be honest. I guess I'd use words like ambitious and bloody-mindedness (and I mean that in the nicest possible way)... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:08:52 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mark wrote...Wot? >> They weren't shit in the 70's. > i do not believe that pink Floyd were shit in the 70's... > especially the early 70's Don't think so too! Things didn't start to go bad till after Wish You Were Here, which I still would rate as a top album. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:26:04 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Monster! Some great work of Jack "the King" Kirby (and Stan Lee), never reprinted before, but now online. Before the Marvel 60's superheroe craze Monster comics were popular in the 50's... Marvellous stuff! http://monsterblog.oneroom.org Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V7 #9 *****************************