From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #380 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 19 2003 Volume 06 : Number 380 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End ["Andrew Lumbard" ] RE: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End [P J Kane ] [idealcopy] Rocket from the Nashville Tombs [Miles Goosens ] RE: [idealcopy] I Just Wasn't Made For These Times ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End > >> Eric in Toronto (who is unsure whether 'pie' has the same meaning across > >> the pond) > > > Yes it does. And even if it didn't I think I could work that one out. > > Although where an Egg McMuffin would count on the nudge nudge scale I cannot > > imagine. > > Chris > > You're losing the Dutch guys from the short bus here felllas... -Bart Sorry I mentioned pie's now. Why didn't I write pot noodle? Keith np PSB's - miracles (what a glorious return to form!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:10:08 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Pie! >>>> Eric in Toronto (who is unsure whether 'pie' has the same meaning >>>> across the pond) >>> Yes it does. And even if it didn't I think I could work that one out. >>> Although where an Egg McMuffin would count on the nudge nudge scale I >>> cannot imagine. >>> Chris >> You're losing the Dutch guys from the short bus here felllas... -Bart > Sorry I mentioned pie's now. Why didn't I write pot noodle? > Keith Or "poodle" as we say here in da hood ;-) Still unsure about that Egg McMuffin (tell 'em that funny McD.'s joke Ari). > np PSB's - miracles (what a glorious return to form!) Power Sea Br...? Oh, Pet Shop Boys..... Haven't heard that one yet. Bart (not that smart) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:57:26 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End >> Sorry I mentioned pie's now. Why didn't I write pot noodle? >> >> Keith Never mind yer pie's, how did we manage to get '...having a fag' through the Across-the-pond translators? AndyL np Sandanista - The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:02:53 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham A good question. Although I feel it kinda happened through The Rapture, The Liars, Erase Errata... And what about the Pixies reunion? Although I read recently that this was still a possibility. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 17 December 2003 18:59 To: oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com; keith.astbury10@virgin.net Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham he's some sort of music biz exec. was also in the PIL "rise" TOTP performance , don't think he played on any records. so what happpened to that GO4 reunion anyway? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:10:22 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End Surely "12XU" helped along...'smoking a fag...' Can't speak for all of us but not all Americans are uncultured heathens. ;) Jack L. Alberson Property Administrator CB Richard Ellis First Tennessee Building 165 Madison Avenue Memphis, TN 38103 (901) 521-1748 Never mind yer pie's, how did we manage to get '...having a fag' through the Across-the-pond translators? AndyL np Sandanista - The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:25:24 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End wonder how many eyebrows i might raise down here in the heart of dixie if i referred to my brief interval as a smoker some 3 years ago as "2 or 3 weeks of having fags"? dan >Never mind yer pie's, how did we manage to get '...having a fag' through the >Across-the-pond translators? > >AndyL > >np Sandanista - The Clash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:37:35 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End - -- "dan bailey" wrote: << wonder how many eyebrows i might raise down here in the heart of dixie if i referred to my brief interval as a smoker some 3 years ago as "2 or 3 weeks of having fags"? >> i think that would depend on how you SAID it. that is, if you said, "i was havin' faAags" (read that in Southern) then you'd get yer ass kicked by Skinheads. if you said, "i was having fogs" (read that last word kinda as "fogs", and the whole thing with a vague Britishness teo it) then everyone will assume you are affecting a British Accent out of some sort of anti-American spirit, and then you will get your ass kicked by Skinheads THEN thrown in Ashcroft's gulags.... :) seriously though -- even my Brother, pickup-driving, tobacco chewing recneck that he is, liked _The Young Ones_ and would probably catch the reference.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:09:33 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Rocket from the Nashville Tombs Saw Rocket from the Tombs close out their 2003 tour at the Exit/In here in Nashville last night. Even though the world is going to hell all around us, I somehow feel curiously grateful to live in an age where, over the last four years, I've seen bands I never imagined I'd see: Wire, Roxy Music, Big Star, X, and now, Rocket from the Tombs. The show was intense and exuberant all at once, and everyone onstage played fiercely. I would have gone home happy just to have seen this lineup (which includes Television's Richard Lloyd subbing for the late Peter Laughner) play "Final Solution," but of course we got so much more -- I think every song that RFTT ever recorded. Afterwards, I bought two CDs (the archival RFTT release from last year, and the forthcoming re-recording with the current lineup) direct from David Thomas, shook his hand, and thanked him for returning to Nashville. It was a good night. Only disappointments were: * only about a 3/4-full house. * the opening act, Turtleneck and the Sweats. They weren't so bad musically (think a much jokier Stooges), despite their super-ugly neo-jock getup (baseball pants, some guys with catcher's shinguards, the lead singer/guitarist with "UNDER CONSTRUCTION" written across the seat of his pants). However, during their set, they had a hirsute burly man clad only in a jockstrap and flesh-colored pantyhose do a bit of performance art in front of the stage. He put down a "batter's box" in front of the stage using baby powder, spread out a tarp in that area, laid out sliced bread into rows, squirted mayonnaise onto the bread with a turkey baster, spread the mayo with his feet, put the mayo-covered bread into a big tinfoil pan, then, during Turtleneck and the Sweats' last song, rolled himself in the tarp and thrashed around on the ground. This was far, far less interesting than it sounds. Despite the guy mopping the area after his "performance," the smell of mayo lingered throughout the evening. Maybe it was a tribute to Mayo Thompson. Oh, and Dan Bailey: While I was waiting in line to buy stuff from David Thomas, I was chatting with Mike Grimes, the founder and co-proprietor of Grimey's Records, about what I said above in my second sentence, and the guy in front of me perked up at the mention of Wire and joined our conversation. Turns out that he's your Nashville pal and show-going buddy. Small world! I encouraged him to sign up for idealcopy. Also, on the D.B. tip: I'm beginning to think that there's something about the Echo Lounge that produces a RASHOMAN-like effect on its concertgoers, since we not only had the wildly divergent accounts of the Fall show there (with Dan and I largely agreeing with each other, but accounts at the Fall Page skewing all over the place, with some people reporting on what sounded like an entirely different show), but if Richard Lloyd played as much and as well at the Echo Lounge as he did in Nashville last night, I can't see how anyone in the building could come away thinking that he wasn't involved. Yet, it happened. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:47:05 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Bell's End OT "Yes it does. And even if it didn't I think I could work that one out. Although where an Egg McMuffin would count on the nudge nudge scale I cannot imagine. Chris" .......SAY NO MORE! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:06:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End > wonder how many eyebrows i might raise down here in the heart of dixie if i > referred to my brief interval as a smoker some 3 years ago as "2 or 3 weeks > of having fags"? > > dan You'd raise a few more eyebrows if you said you were cutting down to 20 a day ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:08:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham > And what about the Pixies reunion? Although I read recently that this > was still a possibility. Yeah, this sounds like a definite starter if recent music mags are to be believed. K. np Julian - i come from another planet, baby ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:39:07 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] I Just Wasn't Made For These Times Just finished reading I Just Wasn't Made For These Times (Brian Wilson & the Making of Pet Sounds) by Charles L. Granata. It's a fairly enjoyable study of one of my fave ever albums, if a little precious at times (though I suppose in fairness if you're gonna go to the trouble of writing a whole book about a single album, you're hardly likely to take the piss). One thing I found surprising though was the way Granata (and Tony Asher in the foreword for that matter) went on about how PS suddenly started to become considered a classic album in the States, following it's re-release in 1990 on cd. Admittedly Granata mentions that the album was better received here in the UK, but I honestly can't recall a time when PS *WASN'T* thought of as a classic album over here. It certainly featured highly in the NME's Top 100 LP's Of All Time in the pre-punk mid-70's. I don't know when exactly I finally got a copy - early 80's I guess - but it was always available over here AFAIK. You mightn't be able to get many other BB albums - latest compilation aside - some years back, but the famous BB's goofing around with animals cover would always be staring back at you from the racks. So, is this right, chaps? Was PS unavailable for years in the USA? I find it hard to believe that the likes of Rolling Stone never used to rave about it... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:12:16 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] this from Kevin I stand corrected.................I assumed it was the Manscape c.d Colin was refering to,Ari kevin eden wrote:Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: hello again To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Hi again heres the total lowdown on Dave Allen http://www.worlddiff.com/music_daveallen3.html and Dave M Allen: DAVE ALLEN: Biography Related Genres: Rock It is not that hard to pinpoint British producer David M. Allen's entry into the professional music business. From 1977 through the end of the decade, Allen played bass guitar, sang and programmed keyboards in Pinpoint, a band that created one album, three singles and played about 400 gigs. And that is really just a needle compared to the haystack careers of some of the bands Allen has engineered and produced as a part of various studio teams. His list of credits could pass for a list of some of the top British rock and pop acts from the '80s and '90s. Allen's first series of hits included some of the key new wave sounds of the '80s, including the Human League's Dare album as well as releases by Altered Images, Dexy's Midnight Runners, The Go-Go's and The Teardrop Explodes. He was heavily involved with The Cure, toiling on the group's entire discography between 1983 and 1996. In the mid '90's he showed his continuing relevance by working with vocalist and songwriter Nenah Cherry. Another highlight of that time period surely was being called in as a technical assistant on the horrifying series of duets--Duets II, to be precise--that Frank Sinatra recorded over the telephone with a variety of younger vocal performers. ~ Eugene Chadbourne, All Music Guide kevin eden http://www.wireviews.com/wmo/index.html "dreams that money can buy" New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:17:47 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I Just Wasn't Made For These Times I remember that Garry Trudeau mentioned it at the time in Doonesbury - one of his characters was dying of Aids and he had his last words as 'At least I lived to hear Pet Sounds on CD' or similar. So, it clearly was a big deal for some reason. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 18 December 2003 22:39 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] I Just Wasn't Made For These Times Just finished reading I Just Wasn't Made For These Times (Brian Wilson & the Making of Pet Sounds) by Charles L. Granata. It's a fairly enjoyable study of one of my fave ever albums, if a little precious at times (though I suppose in fairness if you're gonna go to the trouble of writing a whole book about a single album, you're hardly likely to take the piss). One thing I found surprising though was the way Granata (and Tony Asher in the foreword for that matter) went on about how PS suddenly started to become considered a classic album in the States, following it's re-release in 1990 on cd. Admittedly Granata mentions that the album was better received here in the UK, but I honestly can't recall a time when PS *WASN'T* thought of as a classic album over here. It certainly featured highly in the NME's Top 100 LP's Of All Time in the pre-punk mid-70's. I don't know when exactly I finally got a copy - early 80's I guess - but it was always available over here AFAIK. You mightn't be able to get many other BB albums - latest compilation aside - some years back, but the famous BB's goofing around with animals cover would always be staring back at you from the racks. So, is this right, chaps? Was PS unavailable for years in the USA? I find it hard to believe that the likes of Rolling Stone never used to rave about it... Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:25:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham > >>he's some sort of music biz exec. was also in the PIL "rise" TOTP > performance > , don't think he played on any records.<< Playing the drums on Rise - Mr Ginger Baker, no less. Maek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:46:13 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: that man again.(no,NOT Graeme) > >>The c.d Manscape was produced by Dave M Allen,the very same Dave Allen > that was in gang of 4 and Shriekback,<< > No it wasn't. It was produced by the 'other' Dave Allen, who also produced a lot of 90s Cure albums. Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #380 *******************************