From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #379 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, December 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 379 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Greg Lake [MarkBursa@aol.com] FW: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham ["Tim ****" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: that man again.(no,NOT Graeme) [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:27 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham > However, as far as I'm aware, there's only one Hugo Burnham.....one Hugo > Buuuuurnhaaam! > > Mark What happened to him then? I know he joined ABC circa That Was Then..., but did he later play with Kim Wilde (or have I dreamt this!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:09:36 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Greg Lake On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:40:37AM -0000, sean bowen wrote: > "I Believe in Father Christmas" is quite simply THE best Xmas single of all > time. Definitely. The Pogues. "Fairytale of New York". - - A - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ (5pm Mon) http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Ex-cellent Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:17:56 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ex So they made a good impression Fergus? Nice review! I couldn't help sending it to their web-site - hope you don't mind :-) ))) You're a naughty boy ! I think I'll have a look when they play the Eurosonic Festival in Groningen (January 8, 2004) Here's what I wrote earlier offlist: > Yeah I've seen them a couple of times and though not my very faves I've always > found them quite an interesting band. Beginning (late 70's) sorta Crass-like > (I still got a couple of their first singles) they moved more towards Sonic > Youth (seen the two bands together on a double bill in Utrecht some 10 years > ago) to embrasing world cultures (there's a good documentary about them > visiting and touring Africa) ))) They're big in Ethiopia ! (but NOT in the sense that some 80s washout is big in... Turkey or something) The first song they did was in fact an Eritrean freedom song, sung magnificently by bassist Rosemarie and drummer Kat. Vocalist GW Sok provided percussive accompaniment with a pair of wooden trowels (perfect !) The gig created a feeling like the gigs of old (late 70s/early 80s), whilst maintaining an powerful sense of contemporary relevance. I'm just sorry I'm only catching up with them 25 years later. and even jazz (with experimental trompetplayer > Tom Cora). ))) He used to play double bass actually. Sadly no longer with us. Had the pleasure of seeing him once at the LMC festival in 97 with Roof, featuring Luc Ex, Michael Vatcher and Phil Minton. They were brilliant. Minton's hilarious. Lovely chap (I met him afterwards). Fergus np - Jim O' Rourke: Scend __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:38:56 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham > What happened to him then? > > I know he joined ABC circa That Was Then..., but did he later play with Kim > Wilde (or have I dreamt this!!) He became an A&R man for one of the big labels I think. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:40:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Greg Lake > On the subject of Xmas records, Crepuscule did a compilation in '81, but it > was all rubbish except Cabaret Voltaire's "Invocation". > Couldn't disagree more strongly. It's a superb compilation. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:02:59 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: FW: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End >I've seen The Darkness live recently. It was like shagging someone with >whom >you can't hold a decent conversation afterwards... Oh tell me about it dearie! all they want to talk about is football, music & beer Alice ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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It was like shagging someone with > >whom > >you can't hold a decent conversation afterwards... > > Oh tell me about it dearie! > all they want to talk about is football, music & beer > > Alice And have a fag afterwards... Can someone please tell me what exactly us no-smokers are supposed to do after sex ? Eating a pie doesn't seem quite as cool somehow ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:04:20 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Television's new c.d << Live at the old waldorf,San Fran, 6/29/78 is well worth having. Very fresh sound,very 'like you're there' sound.limited edition of 5000.go to http://www.rhinohandmade.com/browse/ProductLink.lasso?Number=7846 if you're interested,there are some left.(mine arrived today,#3376,so hurry) >> very cool Ari -- i thank you. my bank balance, on the other hand, hates you... so: is there any overall verdict on the re-masters? PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:08:04 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End >>> I've seen The Darkness live recently. It was like shagging someone >>> with whom you can't hold a decent conversation afterwards... >> Oh tell me about it dearie! >> all they want to talk about is football, music & beer >> Alice > And have a fag afterwards... > Can someone please tell me what exactly us no-smokers are supposed > to do after sex ? Have some more, roll of and snore? -Bart > Eating a pie doesn't seem quite as cool somehow ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:47:06 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham At one time he was Samatha Fox's drummer..was on Top Of the Pop's! np clash - middlesborough 11.78 (old tape) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith Astbury" To: , , , Subject: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:27 -0000 > However, as far as I'm aware, there's only one Hugo Burnham.....one Hugo > Buuuuurnhaaam! > > Mark What happened to him then? I know he joined ABC circa That Was Then..., but did he later play with Kim Wilde (or have I dreamt this!!) _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:19:55 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End I usually eat just after sex. Not pie, though--that's part of the...ahem... Jack L. Alberson Property Administrator CB Richard Ellis First Tennessee Building 165 Madison Avenue Memphis, TN 38103 (901) 521-1748 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:56 AM To: Alistair Tear; Wire (E-mail) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End > >I've seen The Darkness live recently. It was like shagging someone with > >whom > >you can't hold a decent conversation afterwards... > > Oh tell me about it dearie! > all they want to talk about is football, music & beer > > Alice And have a fag afterwards... Can someone please tell me what exactly us no-smokers are supposed to do after sex ? Eating a pie doesn't seem quite as cool somehow ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:24:11 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Greg Lake There are two version with two different B-sides. I have the second one. The first one was with X-mas cards And Tuxedomoon: Oh Tannenbaum, ich kan gar nichts bezahlen > > On the subject of Xmas records, Crepuscule did a compilation in '81, but it > > was all rubbish except Cabaret Voltaire's "Invocation". > > Couldn't disagree more strongly. It's a superb compilation. > > Mark, Jan J ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:24:53 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End Are The Darkness known outside the UK yet? ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Yes, I know them but that is because I listen to the BBC via web at work. I don't think they have yet to register outside of the UK. Incidentally, as much as many listers have groaned and complained about the BBC on this list, you have no idea how lucky you are. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:43:24 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End Jack L. Alberson: I usually eat just after sex. Not pie, though--that's part of the...ahem... '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' A hell of a lot more polite than what I was going to write. Eric in Toronto (who is unsure whether 'pie' has the same meaning across the pond) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:45:34 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:24:53AM -0500, Eric Klaver wrote: > Incidentally, as much as many listers have groaned and complained about the > BBC on this list, you have no idea how lucky you are. We have the BBC, you have college radio. Swings and roundabouts, and student radio in this country is so much less professional it's not even funny, speaking as someone vaguely involved. CUR1350, my station, is one of the few "independents" not tied to the dread SBN - http://www.sbn.co.uk/ - and we have a transmitter kicking out a whole watt of AM power, I think. (We have about a six, seven mile range: a catchment population of something around 65,000 - of whom, our license only allows us to advertise to about 15,000.) I'd *love* to be involved with one of the big American collegiate stations. We have very little power in breaking records to the public here, though we do our best (personal hobbyhorses right now: Broken Social Scene, Clearlake, Wire, Posthuman, Ulrich Schnauss, M83, Franz Ferdinand, the Magnificents...) - certainly we were on the British Sea Power bandwagon very early on. - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:10:16 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ex-cellent Found a 4-single package by them, Dignity Of Labour, around 1982, about closing of a factory. Kind of industrial sound, simple, good variation. A little book, big poster, lyrics, this is, ehm, ex-cellent.... Anybody knows if the tracks have names? Eiliv - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kelly" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Ex-cellent > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:17:56 +0100 > From: Bart van Damme > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ex > > So they made a good impression Fergus? Nice review! I > couldn't help sending > it to their web-site - hope you don't mind :-) > > ))) You're a naughty boy ! > > > I think I'll have a look when they play the Eurosonic > Festival in Groningen > (January 8, 2004) > > Here's what I wrote earlier offlist: > > > Yeah I've seen them a couple of times and though not > > my very faves I've always > > found them quite an interesting band. Beginning > (late 70's) sorta Crass-like > > (I still got a couple of their first singles) they > moved more towards Sonic > > Youth (seen the two bands together on a double bill > in Utrecht some 10 years > > ago) to embrasing world cultures (there's a good > documentary about them > > visiting and touring Africa) > > ))) They're big in Ethiopia ! (but NOT in the sense > that some 80s washout is big in... Turkey or > something) > The first song they did was in fact an Eritrean > freedom song, sung magnificently by bassist Rosemarie > and drummer Kat. Vocalist GW Sok provided percussive > accompaniment with a pair of wooden trowels (perfect > !) > > The gig created a feeling like the gigs of old (late > 70s/early 80s), whilst maintaining an powerful sense > of contemporary relevance. I'm just sorry I'm only > catching up with them 25 years later. > > and even jazz (with > experimental trompetplayer > > Tom Cora). > > ))) He used to play double bass actually. Sadly no > longer with us. Had the pleasure of seeing him once at > the LMC festival in 97 with Roof, featuring Luc Ex, > Michael Vatcher and Phil Minton. They were brilliant. > Minton's hilarious. Lovely chap (I met him > afterwards). > > Fergus > > np - Jim O' Rourke: Scend > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:58 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End > Eric in Toronto (who is unsure whether 'pie' has the same meaning across the > pond) Obviously not! There were no double entendres going down. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:58:51 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] there's only one Hugo Burnham he's some sort of music biz exec. was also in the PIL "rise" TOTP performance , don't think he played on any records. so what happpened to that GO4 reunion anyway? p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:08:03 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ex-cellent There is a site about Dutch "pop"-music etc.http://www.popinstituut.nl/index.htm?dat/index.htm?1108 This is what is told about your mentioned Dignity Of Labour (1983)release. It has been released as a box with four 7inch singles and a book. On the singles are eight non-titled tracks who are handling about the downfall and end of a paper-factory called van Gelder at Wormer (near Amsterdam). The songs are recorded besides at Dolf's Cowrent company (artificial insemnation) also in the ruins of the already mentioned dismantled paper-factory. > Found a 4-single package by them, Dignity Of Labour, around 1982, about > closing of a factory. Kind of industrial sound, simple, good variation. A > little book, big poster, lyrics, this is, ehm, ex-cellent.... Anybody knows > if the tracks have names? > > Eiliv > > > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:17:56 +0100 > > From: Bart van Damme > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ex > > > > So they made a good impression Fergus? Nice review! I > > couldn't help sending > > it to their web-site - hope you don't mind :-) > > > > ))) You're a naughty boy ! > > > > > > I think I'll have a look when they play the Eurosonic > > Festival in Groningen > > (January 8, 2004) > > > > Here's what I wrote earlier offlist: > > > > > Yeah I've seen them a couple of times and though not > > > > my very faves I've always > > > found them quite an interesting band. Beginning > > (late 70's) sorta Crass-like > > > (I still got a couple of their first singles) they > > moved more towards Sonic > > > Youth (seen the two bands together on a double bill > > in Utrecht some 10 years > > > ago) to embrasing world cultures (there's a good > > documentary about them > > > visiting and touring Africa) > > > > ))) They're big in Ethiopia ! (but NOT in the sense > > that some 80s washout is big in... Turkey or > > something) > > The first song they did was in fact an Eritrean > > freedom song, sung magnificently by bassist Rosemarie > > and drummer Kat. Vocalist GW Sok provided percussive > > accompaniment with a pair of wooden trowels (perfect > > !) > > > > The gig created a feeling like the gigs of old (late > > 70s/early 80s), whilst maintaining an powerful sense > > of contemporary relevance. I'm just sorry I'm only > > catching up with them 25 years later. > > > > and even jazz (with > > experimental trompetplayer > > > Tom Cora). > > > > ))) He used to play double bass actually. Sadly no > > longer with us. Had the pleasure of seeing him once at > > the LMC festival in 97 with Roof, featuring Luc Ex, > > Michael Vatcher and Phil Minton. They were brilliant. > > Minton's hilarious. Lovely chap (I met him > > afterwards). > > > > Fergus > > > > np - Jim O' Rourke: Scend > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Re: that man again.(no,NOT Graeme) The c.d Manscape was produced by Dave M Allen,the very same Dave Allen that was in gang of 4 and Shriekback,I know this for a fact due to some correspondence with Colin a while ago ('bout year and a half ago) so maybe this'll clarify,or mystify some of the recent ramblings.Ari MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: What happened to him then? I know he joined ABC circa That Was Then..., but did he later play with Kim Wilde (or have I dreamt this!!) He became an A&R man for one of the big labels I think. Mark New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: FW: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End Alistair Tear wrote: Oh tell me about it dearie! all they want to talk about is football, music & beer >Alice Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End Pt.1.4 Keith Astbury wrote: And have a fag afterwards... Can someone please tell me what exactly us no-smokers are supposed to do after sex ? Eating a pie doesn't seem quite as cool somehow ; ) Have more sex of course! or eat 'something else' nudge nudge wink wink.....Ari New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:26:49 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End In a message dated 17/12/2003 15:51:31 GMT Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > Eric in Toronto (who is unsure whether 'pie' has the same meaning across > the > pond) > Yes it does. And even if it didn't I think I could work that one out. Although where an Egg McMuffin would count on the nudge nudge scale I cannot imagine. Chris NP Deftones - Hexagram ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd/O.T: interesting site......... http://www.exquisitecorpse.org/ New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:21:49 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Ex-cellent >> Found a 4-single package by them, Dignity Of Labour, around 1982, about >> closing of a factory. Kind of industrial sound, simple, good variation. A >> little book, big poster, lyrics, this is, ehm, ex-cellent.... Anybody knows >> if the tracks have names? > There is a site about Dutch "pop"-music > etc.http://www.popinstituut.nl/index.htm?dat/index.htm?1108 > > This is what is told about your mentioned Dignity Of Labour (1983)release. > > It has been released as a box with four 7inch singles and a book. On the > singles are eight non-titled tracks who are handling about the downfall and > end of a paper-factory called van Gelder at Wormer (near Amsterdam). The > songs are recorded besides at Dolf's Cowrent company (artificial > insemnation) also in the ruins of the already mentioned dismantled > paper-factory. I see Jan has already provided a lot of information, but for the tracklist's sake here's some more straight from the Ex's website (they even have a e-store: catalogue). Bart ================= DIGNITY OF LABOUR cat.no. EX 010-013D (The Ex) released in March 1983 recorded at Joke's Koeienverhuurbedrijf in Schellingwoude, and at the Van Gelder factory ruins in Wormer, NL produced by Dolf Planteydt Originally released as 4 vinyl 7" singles on VGZ Records. CD re-release by Ex Records in March 1995. 1. Sucked out chucked out 1 / 2. Sucked out chucked out 2 / 3. Sucked out chucked out 3 / 4. Sucked out chucked out 4 / 5. Sucked out chucked out 5 / 6. Sucked out chucked out 6 / 7. Sucked out chucked out 7 / 8. Sucked out chucked out 8 * Terrie - guitar; G.W. Sok - voice; Bas - bass; Sabien - drums + accordion, double-bass, wood-blocks, percussion, noise, pile-driver, bus engine, print-press, radio-commercials + Marcel - drums / Rinus - saxophone / Dolf - guitar Reviews: "This package continues the dance of the dispossessed, with a thick atmospheric reconstruction of a factory's death. (...) The ultimate urban blues, a soundtrack that sounds like a manic collision between Neubauten and the Gang Of Four." "Hammer hard beats with an ever present human torch throb along mechanically. Man and machine in perfect harmony you might say.." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:28:47 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Bell's End >> Eric in Toronto (who is unsure whether 'pie' has the same meaning across >> the pond) > Yes it does. And even if it didn't I think I could work that one out. > Although where an Egg McMuffin would count on the nudge nudge scale I cannot > imagine. > Chris You're losing the Dutch guys from the short bus here felllas... -Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #379 *******************************