From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #376 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, December 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 376 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wire bio book on eBay [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Mojo [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] BC GIlbert Tracks on Antitrade compilation [Rain19c@aol.com] [idealcopy] Newman interview in Oz net mag [=?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blak] [idealcopy] Newman interview [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] RE: image and information etc./The Internet And Rock Band "Mystique" ["Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire bio book on eBay Seeing as people are always after Eden's Wire biog, I thought I'd flag that a copy's on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3573511306&category=23923 Craig ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.com News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:44:34 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo http://newwavephotos.com/ Cheers, Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Britt" To: "Keith Astbury" ; "Tim" ; "dan bailey" ; Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mojo Keith Astbury wrote: >PS The newwavephotos link that Mark M sent in is worth a look if you haven't already checked it out...< does anyone still have this link,I deleted by mistake.Ari New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:14:22 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] BC GIlbert Tracks on Antitrade compilation I just picked up Ash International's "Antitrade" compilation from back in '99. It has 2 Bruce Gilbert tracks as well as some other interesting droney pieces and static-ey dabbling. Plus a couple of humorous spoken word soundbits, a la DJ Shadow. First Bruce track, "The Book" has some manipulated river/swamp type sounds colliding with what sounds like chewing and eating sounds (Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast anyone? :P). It is very playful, but still interesting. Second Bruce track, "A Happy Belgrade" is also an amusing one. It's stated to be recorded "On Guy Fawkes Night at Primose Hill, London, November 1987". Basically the whole track is 7 and half minutes of fireworks going off and people whooping and cheering. Love it! Anyone else a bit concerned that Read and Burn 03 is taking quite awhile to be released? I'd thought for sure it be out this Fall or maybe even in November. Most of "Send" was finished before the year began, so what have they been up to you all year? Hopefully a full new LP next year...... ~Michael, mulling over his top 2003 picks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:39:34 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Phillip=20Blakeney?= Subject: [idealcopy] Newman interview in Oz net mag In my quest to get info on whether Wire will make an Australian live appearance, I came across this CN interview at: http://www.beat.com.au/beatinterview12.shtml No tour news I'm afraid, but I was intrigued that Colin's view of the 80s Wire output seems to be getting more negative as the years go by. Witness the following two paragraphs quoted from the interview: "So hes aware of the pitfalls, but somehow Wire have avoided them so far: people seem to genuinely think that what were doing is worthwhile, which to be quite honest really, thats a fantastic achievement the kind of people that we are, fashion victims to a man, couldnt bear the idea otherwise. All we could do is make the reputation of the band worse, by coming back and not being very good. We ran a lot of danger of that in the 80s. Oddly or otherwise, despite their mid-80s version being probably their most commercially successful, the group as a whole feel their work back then was a bit awful. One of the big aims behind our current wave of activity is we have to erase that, demonstrate that we are capable of producing something which functions within a contemporary setting. "As it went through the 80s we got sidetracked into all kinds of nonsense. One thing that we lacked in the 70s and 80s was an overall curation of direction, we would end up just being driven by what other peoples ideas were. The critical response here in the UK is 70s Wire great, 80s wire shit, 3rd generation Wire great. Thats basically what people think about us. " Some of the 80s fans might be a bit offended by the 'nonsense' dscription!!! Phillip from Australia - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals - - New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:50:12 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Newman interview Phillip wrote >As it went through the 80s we got sidetracked into all kinds of nonsense. One thing that we lacked in the 70s and 80s was an overall curation of direction, we would end up just being driven by what other peoples ideas were. The critical response here in the UK is 70s Wire great, 80s wire shit, 3rd generation Wire great. Thats basically what people think about us. " Some of the 80s fans might be a bit offended by the 'nonsense' description!!! Subject: RE: [idealcopy] RE: image and information etc./The Internet And Rock Band "Mystique" I agree with you up to a point, Jason - a neophyte to an established band would certainly be able to come up with a raft of stuff on the net very quickly. Although one can't of course trust the net to tell you the truth. Did Jimmy Page worship the devil? I can probably find opposing answers to that if I looked. But there's still a mystique about some new bands, especially those you see live and who haven't got much net coverage. For example, nine months after seeing Flotation Toy Warning, who I've praised here before, I still know next to nothing about them. They have a well-designed site but it's lacking in any real information about the band or what they're up to. It was some weeks before I could track down a version of a Fence Collective song I saw live, 'Lavender Moon'. Perhaps this is where the future mystique lies. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jason Rogers I miss those days sometimes. Right now, if an inquisitive high school kid in my situation were to discover New Order, he could just go to any internet site and have the band's entire biography at a second's notice. Kids today don't have to spend absurd spans of time going through rock magazines looking for any shred of information about their favorite bands; they can just to go a fansite and read "Latest Articles/Reviews". People bitch all of the time about how mp3's have affected rock music. I am inclined to think, however, that the most damaging effect of the internet on rock music is that web sites have taken all of the mystique out of rock 'n roll. I do believe that one reason for my longtime fanship of Joy Division/New Order, as well as of R.E.M., Echo And The Bunnymen, The Replacements, etc. etc., is due to the my being drawn in by the lure of the mystique that surrounded those bands where someone like me who lived away from a big city had to do my own homework to find out about those bands. It's probably always been the same with older bands, such as Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, KISS, etc... Rock music and the world of music fans has long revolved around the mystique of rock stars and around unanswered questions that are debated in high school cafeterias, around the record player at the houses of friends, etc. "Does Jimmy Page really worship the devil?" "Did Rod Stewart really have to have his stomach pumped?" Etc. Etc. Etc. The internet has taken most of this away because a couple of clicks to All Music Guide or to a band fansite answers all of those questions for a music fan with no effort. Maybe that's one reason for a lot of the faceless rock bands on popular radio these days. A teenager hears a song that he likes, goes to All Music Guide to read all about the band, thinks, "Yeah, that's cool", and then just goes onto the next band that intrigues him. There's no effort required to be a music fan these days. I sometimes wonder if I would have developed the same serious interest in bands like New Order, R.E.M., or even Wire if I had simply been able to read the biographies/discographies of the band by clicking a mouse. Sorry for the rambling, but the topic of internet vs. rock band mystique is one that I think about a lot. Jason Now Playing: Blondie - Parallel Lines _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:27:46 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire bio book on eBay > Seeing as people are always after Eden's Wire biog, I > thought I'd flag that a copy's on eBay right now: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3573511306&category=239 23 from ebay... >Pink Flag, the band's first album, was even reported to be Bob Dylan's favourite punk album. Really? Is that true? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:17:34 +0100 From: "Eiliv Konglevoll" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Newman interview - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari Britt" To: Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 12:50 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Newman interview > Phillip wrote > >As it went through the 80s we got sidetracked into all kinds of > nonsense. One thing that we lacked in the 70s and 80s was an overall > curation of direction, we would end up just being driven by what other > peoples ideas were. The critical response here in the UK is 70s Wire great, > 80s wire shit, 3rd generation Wire great. Thats basically what people > think about us. " > > Some of the 80s fans might be a bit offended by the 'nonsense' > description!!! > I guess it's an artists perogative to say the stuff we did before was crap/great. > I think the early stuff was fantastic,the later stuff was interesting,the current stuff is awesome. > I actually like it all,though Ideal Copy is still my fave Wire,and I can't see that changing for a long long time. Ari > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > If Feed Me was someone elses idea I would have liked to know that person and shake his hand ... And Boiling Boy to mention another favourite. They can tell us what they think we think, but we do as we like..... And they still sound great. Eiliv ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #376 *******************************