From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #362 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 5 2003 Volume 06 : Number 362 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] free cd ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] a deluge of gigs [Alistair Tear ] Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) [RLynn9@aol.c] RE: [idealcopy] trousersnake / holy burning photocopies batman ["Keith Kn] Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) [P J Kane Subject: [idealcopy] free cd Some folk might be interested in this....(not received it yet, so dunno what it sounds like, but the cover looks like it's a nice Clash pastiche btw!!) >Reproduced here as the 'obscure punk legend' is something to do with Swell Maps, which flotas some boats round 'ere. >"The No Men (a shadowy collection of people including some Fearties, Deciders and Electroluvs) reinterpret some classics>(!) with guest vocals from an obscure punk legend or two. Recorded in a "challenging" DIY manner. Fetchingly packaged. >Absolutely free. >go to http://www.topplers.net >A limited offer I'm told" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:15:57 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] a deluge of gigs Just like London buses they all come along together Sun7th Mon 8th The Fall Islington Mon 8th Horse Stories Borderline Tues 9th Terry Hall & Mushtaq Cargo Wed 10th Grandaddy Brixton Academy Anyone up for the Fall? Mark? 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Not gonna do an > in-depth review (you know the core of it anyway - Rev / Forbid, plus the > Peel Sessions e.p.), but, suffice to say, it is well worth the tenner it > cost from the Renascent site (sure you know of this, but, if not): > > http://www.renascent.co.uk/ > > Typical of such affairs, it has the feel of a documentary (varying > production levels; alternative versions (a stereo Rev Spirit, as the > original is in mono!); live tracks, etc.), rather than an organic, "real" > album, as such. However, as is the case with similar items I own by > No-Man, the sheer enjoyment of the work overcomes any reservations, > appropriate for lesser artists. CD1 hints at how the original Wild Swans > debut would have been structured, and - My God! - it would have been a > truly awesome thing, indeed. "New" songs such as Flowers Of England, Now > You're Perfect and The Iron Bed are magnificently overwrought, arcane and > magical things, and engage in a sort of alchemy which is, simply, beyond > ANY contemporary young bands. And just to hear the fabulous instrumental > Thirst again, is a thing of very great joy. > > CD2 features early versions of Bringing Home The Ashes songs, as well as > previously unheard material and live stuff from such historic appearances > as Club Zoo. The icing on the cake is a beautifully presented package with > excellent artwork, and extensive notes, including many by Simpson, himself. > > Only slight (and admittedly, nebulous) criticism, would be the overall > consensus - led by Simmo's frequently bitchy comments - that The Wild Swans > Mk II are, somehow, vastly inferior. I can't agree with this, as BHTA is, > in my humble opinion, one of the greatest pop albums EVER made. Also, if I > had to name my 3 fave WS tracks, they would be the title track and Worst > Year Of My Life from this hugely underrated gem, and The World Of Milk And > Blood (from the Young Manhood e.p. - Still my Single of 1988!). Tellingly, > all date from the later, so-called "sell out" period. > > I've said it before, (but since when has that stopped me spouting off?!) > but this music attains a rare level of refulgent brilliance that completely > overshadows such near-contemporaries as the far more lauded Stone Roses. > In this respect, Incandescent is an entirely apposite title for an album > which sounds exactly like it says on the tin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:27:35 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) In a message dated 12/2/03 9:39:55 AM Central Standard Time, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > << it's always better over THERE..... >> > > then move. nice sarcastic reply.....but you know what i meant...people always think that where they live sucks and always want to live elsewhere.... all i was really trying to say is that many people tend to look at what they don't have, instead of what the DO have...and a lot of the time it's right under their noses... explore where you are... RL p.s. some people can't just up and move y'know?...a lot of do not have the money or resources to just up and move to NYC, LA, London, Paris, Rome, etc etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:31:32 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] trousersnake / holy burning photocopies batman This is not the only temptation from the forthcoming Timberlake gig as he will be supported by Dizzee Rascal! This has the capability to be another Clash / Suicide mismatch as far as the fanbase is concerned. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 03 December 2003 20:50 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] trousersnake / holy burning photocopies batman great news for all you krautrock fans. i read in the guardian today that justin timberlake is including a falsetto version of "trans europe express" in his current set. maybe hard to get a ticket , but surely worth it? on a more serious note , does anyone really believe that the KLF actually burnt real money ? c'mon............ p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:40:11 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) > << it's always better over THERE..... >> > > then move. << nice sarcastic reply.....>> thank you thank you. tip your waitress.... << but you know what i meant...people always think that where they live sucks and always want to live elsewhere.... >> indeed, i do know what you mean. and i am as guilty of it as anyone, especially come August here in the ATL.... << all i was really trying to say is that many people tend to look at what they don't have, instead of what the DO have...and a lot of the time it's right under their noses... >> right. but by the same token, sometimes a change of venue is all that's needed. people should neither feel chained down to where they are, or feel that they have to move if something goes a little poorly.... << explore where you are... >> i used to travel for business (as a computer instructor) and i have found that, in just about any place you could imagine visiting, there is something fun to do. i found awesome Middle Eastern food in Milwaukee, an Indian enclave with shops and restaraunts in central New Jersey, a nice coffee shop/bookstore in Bloomington, IL (not IN, which is a college town, but IL, which is where State Farm is located), etc etc. if you are bored -- well, it's your own fault really. << p.s. some people can't just up and move y'know?...a lot of do not have the money or resources to just up and move to NYC, LA, London, Paris, Rome, etc etc. >> heck, i don't ahve that kind of money, and i make plenty to survive on! but sometimes just moving down the road can help. i know it helped me recently, during a period of depression. i just moved into a different apartment, a little bit further down the road, and taking that step seemed to help. the lesson here is that, if you are really really hating life where you are, unless you are under some sort of police restraint you are free to move about, so find somewhere different to call "home" for a little while. we were talking about people being proud/ashamed of where they are from or where they live. i think what we are both saying here is that, really, it's up to you, not the place. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:22:10 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) > i used to travel for business (as a computer instructor) and i have found that, in just about any place you could imagine visiting, there is something fun to do. You've not been to Rhyl then ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:26:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] trousersnake / holy burning photocopies batman > This is not the only temptation from the forthcoming Timberlake gig as > he will be supported by Dizzee Rascal! This has the capability to be > another Clash / Suicide mismatch as far as the fanbase is concerned. I know Dizzee is this months flavour, but he does nowt for me. Whereas Timberlake did at least make that one good single that sounded like Chic... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:34:33 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) In a message dated 12/4/03 12:50:42 PM Central Standard Time, postlibyan@netzero.com writes: > indeed, i do know what you mean. and i am as guilty of it as anyone, > especially come August here in the ATL.... ditto for St. Louis....the only place more humid would be New Orleans or Rain Forest RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:39:12 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) In a message dated 12/4/03 1:20:28 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > You've not been to Rhyl then ; ) Rhyl ? where's that? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:57:06 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) > > You've not been to Rhyl then ; ) > > Rhyl ? where's that? It's a delightful seaside resort about 25 miles from here. Or as it was once succinctly described on The Idler (the internet site that asks people to vote for the worst place in the UK)..."It's where junkies go to die". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:26:26 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] trousersnake / holy burning photocopies batman In a message dated 03/12/2003 21:07:37 GMT Standard Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > on a more serious note , does anyone really believe that the KLF actually > burnt real money ? c'mon............ > > p > Yes I do Paul.... it's that sad. (Or I'm that sad in believing it.) Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:14:28 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: way, way OT - UK history (was Re: [idealcopy] class...) In a message dated 12/4/03 1:50:59 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > It's a delightful seaside resort about 25 miles from here. Or as it was once > succinctly described on The Idler (the internet site that asks people to > vote for the worst place in the UK)..."It's where junkies go to die". > > yeah, but aren't seaside resorts usually nice places for tourists? RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:25:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T (and now for something completely different) Space -- This is absolutely awesome!! For those of you that don't have some kind of high speed Internet Connection, this will take about 15 minutes to load, but it's worth it. If you're not interested in space, just delete this, but you're missing something really awesome! http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 16:26:40 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] trousersnake / holy burning photocopies batman In a message dated 04/12/2003 20:26:26 GMT Standard Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > >> on a more serious note , does anyone really believe that the KLF >> actually >> burnt real money ? c'mon............ >> >> p >> > > Yes I do Paul.... it's that sad. (Or I'm that sad in believing it.) > Chris ////the way i figure it is that burning counterfit money and pretending its real would be just as effective a gesture as burning real money. with the slight difference that you'd be a million quid richer. so i wonder what they did :-) of course the comedy open goal here is for drummond to send cope a big envelope stuffed with his share of the photocopied tenners he feels he deserves............ p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:28:03 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Let It Be Wired/120 Minutes Don't worry Keith, I checked the bargain bin at Jumbo today and there was nothing that grabbed me. Having said that there was a CD by Talk Talk for 4 quid (Time It's Time). I don't think I know anything by Talk Talk, but have heard trustworthy friends (inc some on IC I think) speak reasonably highly of them. Anybody reckon it's worth a punt? Also, thanks to Mark B for tipping me off about 120 minutes on MTV. Taped a couple and thoroughly enjoyed them, but it dropped of the schedule this week for a rerun of the MTV Europe awards. Is it an irregular slot, or has the curse of Ian B struck again? Ian B (awaiting delivery of terribly overpriced Kraftwerk/Glasgow tickets) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight > Frustratingly I've been to Leeds today for work but didn't have chance > to go shopping - gah! > > Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:40:07 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spectacular Mismatches - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight This has the capability to be > another Clash / Suicide mismatch as far as the fanbase is concerned. Forgive me if this has cropped up before but on the subject of serious mismatches,a trusted and music obsessed mate of mine told me on Sunday (although it must be said he was not 100% about it) that Einsturzende Neubauten once played on the same bill as Showaddywaddy. Can anybody give credence to this? I DO hope so! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:27:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spectacular Mismatches that is absurd,talk about odd bedfellows..what were they thinking? Ian B wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight This has the capability to be > another Clash / Suicide mismatch as far as the fanbase is concerned. Forgive me if this has cropped up before but on the subject of serious mismatches,a trusted and music obsessed mate of mine told me on Sunday (although it must be said he was not 100% about it) that Einsturzende Neubauten once played on the same bill as Showaddywaddy. Can anybody give credence to this? I DO hope so! Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:53:26 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Let It Be Wired/120 Minutes In a message dated 04/12/2003 21:50:51 GMT Standard Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Also, thanks to Mark B for tipping me off about 120 minutes on MTV. Taped > a > couple and thoroughly enjoyed them, but it dropped of the schedule this week > for a rerun of the MTV Europe awards. Is it an irregular slot, or has the > curse of Ian B struck again? > ////i think its always on 1-3am on sunday morning mtv2 (ie late saturday night). they then re-run it later........p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 17:59:44 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Let It Be Wired/120 Minutes In a message dated 12/4/03 3:50:51 PM Central Standard Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > Also, thanks to Mark B for tipping me off about 120 minutes on MTV. Taped > a > couple and thoroughly enjoyed them, but it dropped of the schedule this week > for a rerun of the MTV Europe awards. when is this on again??? Kraftwerk did a live performance of Aero Dynamik !!! i caught the last 2 minutes of it....want to see it again.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:27:24 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spectacular Mismatches Orange Juice with Foetus on 'Rip It Up' - Oxford Roadshow (UK Tv) March 1983 it's not a serious mismatch but is slightly odd! Tim Paul Morley Book - Words & Music - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ari Britt To: Ian B , idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spectacular Mismatches Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:27:25 -0800 (PST) that is absurd,talk about odd bedfellows..what were they thinking? Ian B wrote:----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Knight This has the capability to be > another Clash / Suicide mismatch as far as the fanbase is concerned. Forgive me if this has cropped up before but on the subject of serious mismatches,a trusted and music obsessed mate of mine told me on Sunday (although it must be said he was not 100% about it) that Einsturzende Neubauten once played on the same bill as Showaddywaddy. Can anybody give credence to this? I DO hope so! Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:55:57 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Let It Be Wired/120 Minutes > ////i think its always on 1-3am on sunday morning mtv2 (ie late saturday > night). they then re-run it later........p > Thursday mornings, usually 2am, again on MTV2. The MTV run wasn't on this week - but I think it's still on the schedule. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:57:26 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Let It Be Wired/120 Minutes > >>when is this on again??? Kraftwerk did a live performance of Aero Dynamik > !!! > i caught the last 2 minutes of it....want to see it again..<< > > > MTV Europe seems to show it 2 or 3 times a week. It's mostly crap, but the > K-werk bit was excellent and bodes well for a new set for the frst time > in 20 years! > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:15:52 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [Off Topic] Talk Talk Review (was Re: [idealcopy] OT Let It Be Wi red/120 Minutes) > Having said that there was a CD by Talk Talk for 4 > quid (Time It's Time). I don't think I know anything by > Talk Talk, but have heard trustworthy friends (inc some > on IC I think) speak reasonably highly of them. Anybody > reckon it's worth a punt? This is a greatest hits disc. From allmusic.com: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A90yvad7kq8w5 2 stars (out of 5) Very similar to most of the other one-disc Talk Talk overviews, Time It's Time picks highlights from the group's first four albums, but it places a heavy emphasis on the second and third. Tracks are included from 1982's The Party's Over ("Mirror Man"), 1984's It's My Life ("Such a Shame," "It's My Life," "Renee," "Does Caroline Know," "Tomorrow Started"), 1986's The Colour of Spring ("Happiness Is Easy," "Living in Another World," "Chameleon Day," "Time It's Time," "April 5th"), and 1988's Spirit of Eden ("I Believe in You"), although flaws abound -- no "Life's What You Make It," for instance. This is another unnecessary and misguided representation. -- Andy Kellman I haven't heard it personally. Nor am I the best judge of Talk Talk. I have all the CDs, but haven't really had time to listen them. (^_^) Allmusic.com rates them pretty highly though. Check out the main review - click on the name Talk Talk in the Artist field on the page above. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:38:24 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Spectacular Mismatches - -----Original Message----- From: Tim **** [mailto:oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com] Sent: 05 December 2003 01:27 To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spectacular Mismatches ....Clash with Mikey Dread in Cardiff in '79 or '80 was the worst mismatch I've witnessed. Suited me as I think he's great but several members of the Clash - bandanas around their mouths in some sort of disguise - had to come on stage and do some dodgy dancing to prevent any (potential?) violence happening to the great man. On the subject of national pride I'm not Welsh but I was ashamed for them... and any English people in the audience too, of course! Latest on Confederate flags in UK - a corporate entertainment tent has been set up in Bristol next to a bombed out church (left as a war memorial) for Christmas at the OK Corral events. You go in flanked by a Confed flag on the left and Stars and Stripes on the right. Yes, my company has invited employees to go along to one of these events in 'fancy dress'. I know of only one person in my department who is going... No it isn't me! Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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