From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #357 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, November 30 2003 Volume 06 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] 3GirlRumba VideoClip by Klonhertz [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] 3GirlRumba VideoClip by Klonhertz [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv ["Tim" ] Re: [idealcopy] Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime (box set) ["Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 3GirlRumba VideoClip by Klonhertz > http://www2.southernfriedrecords.com/ > On this site are the possibilities to watch and hear the videoclip Klonhertz > made for the track 3 Girl Rhumba. hmm, I tried this, but nothing happens. maybe a mac-thing? -bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:25:10 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] 3GirlRumba VideoClip by Klonhertz It works on my PC with a Windows Media Player http://www2.southernfriedrecords.com/ On this site are the possibilities to watch and hear the videoclip Klonhertz made for the track 3 Girl Rhumba. hmm, I tried this, but nothing happens. maybe a mac-thing? -bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 12:00:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 3GirlRumba VideoClip by Klonhertz I got it ok. Neat video, too! > It works on my PC with a Windows Media Player > > http://www2.southernfriedrecords.com/ > > On this site are the possibilities to watch and hear the videoclip Klonhertz > made for the track 3 Girl Rhumba. > > hmm, I tried this, but nothing happens. maybe a mac-thing? -bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 16:23:22 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] coffee + tv One last one from the This Is Incool book I've plugged here before, as it's vaguely on topic.... Blur - coffee + tv "My favourite single by my favourite 90s pop group is not just a lovely tune and a moving song, but some kind of masterclass in how to make old-school guitar pop sound fresh all over again. Admittedly if someone had told me beforehand that this 0would be achieved by a song about recovering from alcoholism that sounds like a blend of Wire's Outdoor Miner, Michael Caine by Madness, and every naive and innocent indie jingle-jangle and 60s harmony pop novelty, I wouldn't have bought it. Until they said it was by Blur. And then I would". K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:06:34 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv > One last one from the This Is Incool book I've plugged here before, as it's > vaguely on topic.... > > Blur - coffee + tv > > "My favourite single by my favourite 90s pop group is not just a lovely tune > and a moving song, but some kind of masterclass in how to make old-school > guitar pop sound fresh all over again. Admittedly if someone had told me > beforehand that this 0would be achieved by a song about recovering from > alcoholism that sounds like a blend of Wire's Outdoor Miner, Michael Caine by > Madness, and every naive and innocent indie jingle-jangle and 60s harmony pop > novelty, I wouldn't have bought it. Until they said it was by Blur. And then I > would". A couple of years ('98?) ago when my own little band "launched" our first single (Shaker Shaker), I was asked to play my ten favourite (or most influentual) songs (of that time) on a local radio station here in Groningen. I suppose there're worse things so I told them "I'see what I can do" :-) Coffee & TV was one of 'em... along with (if I remember correctly) Wire/Practice Makes Perfect, Pixies/Caribou, GBV/Chicken Blows, The Fall/New Face in Hell, Specials/Gangsters, Pavement/Serpentine Pad, REM/World Leader Pretend, Sonic Youth/Starfield Road. Massive Attack/Risingson. Coffee & TV as a Wire-Madness blend makes perfect sense to me. It wasn't even recognized as a Blur-song by the station's DJ, who didn't like Blur at all, but did like the song. I'll sign the Blur-just-ain't-Blur-without-Graham-Coxon-petition any time. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:08:42 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 3GirlRumba VideoClip by Klonhertz >>> hmm, I tried this, but nothing happens. maybe a mac-thing? >> It works on my PC with a Windows Media Player > I got it ok. Neat video, too! I got it now! (thanks Fred!) Cool stuff indeed! -Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:30:34 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv It is one of the most fun videos ever. - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > One last one from the This Is Incool book I've > plugged here before, as it's > vaguely on topic.... > > Blur - coffee + tv > > "My favourite single by my favourite 90s pop group > is not just a lovely tune > and a moving song, but some kind of masterclass in > how to make old-school > guitar pop sound fresh all over again. Admittedly if > someone had told me > beforehand that this 0would be achieved by a song > about recovering from > alcoholism that sounds like a blend of Wire's > Outdoor Miner, Michael Caine by > Madness, and every naive and innocent indie > jingle-jangle and 60s harmony pop > novelty, I wouldn't have bought it. Until they said > it was by Blur. And then I > would". > > K. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:10:24 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv > I was asked to play my ten favourite (or most >influentual) songs (of that time) on a local radio station here in >Groningen An actor mate of mine was asked to choose his fave record of all time when being interviewed on a regional radio station. Now I know his fave single is - bizarrely - a toss up between white Riot and something by James Taylor, but the only record they had that he remotely liked was Hey Jude. Of course, when he was asked on air why HJ was his fave record of all time, he should have replied "it isn't but you've got a shit selection", but he was far too polite for that!! > I'll sign the Blur-just-ain't-Blur-without-Graham-Coxon-petition any time. > > Bart Well yeah...that's what I thought. EXCEPT Think Tank is the best Blur album since Modern Life is Rubbish IMHO. And a mate who doesn't particularly like Blur but who rates Coxon highly as a guitarist, saw them at their Liverpool gig the other night and was very impressed (apart from their choice of encores) Coxon's last album is pretty good too. I only bought it for the vitriolic Song For The Sick that he did on Later that time, but it was a very pleasant surprise. Keith np well I'm having an old fart moment... the Stones Goat's Head Soup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:14:26 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv Monchromatic man says of Blurs Coffee And TV > It is one of the most fun videos ever. > No it isn't. It looks like some 'wacky' junior designer from an Advertising Agency's idea of 'Fun' but it is actually watching it is about as much fun as being trampled on by a horse. Its hardly Adam Ants 'Prince Charming' is it? Have you ever heard Damon Albarn being interviewed? Its the kind of sound (drawling cocaine warped mumble) that makes one want to crawl into a cave and go to sleep forever, or at least until Damon dies of the strain of trying to re-invent himself for the millionth time but yet again managing to re-invent himself as a a boring, pudgy, home-counties pseudo-intellectual with designer stubble in beige combat pants. David Bowie he ain't. Blur <> Wire ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:26:25 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime (box set) I'm still gonna get it. However, a warning to those thinking of buying the Scott Walker box set. The 3rd CD is faulty and only plays in one channel, seems that this is true for the entire first run of the box set (ah major record companies, dontcha just love em?) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Rogers" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Talking Heads - Once In A Lifetime (box set) > I was able to acquire the new Talking Heads box set, Once In A Lifetime, the > other day for free by using Media Play gift certificates that I had. > It's a strong collection of tracks with 3 CD's of music and a DVD with the > long out-of-print "Storytelling Giant" collection of Talking Heads music > videos. The music is remastered and has a good sonic punch to it that the > old Sand In The Vasoline collection doesn't have...the tracklist is much > improved as well, in my opinion. > > The only problem with this otherwise brilliant box set lies with the > physical presentation itself. Once In A Lifetime has the most cumbersome > packaging that I've ever seen in a music release, even by box set standards. > The box set consists of a long (>2') and narrow (6'') coffee table book > with the CD's and DVD's held in pouches within the book cover. The book > will likely rip out of its spine if not opened while flat on a surface. > This is a shame, because the liner notes (featuring passages by all four > band members) are quite fascinating. > > My final verdict: > Music content = A+ > "Storytelling Giant" DVD = A+ > Liner Notes = A > Packaging = D- > > Here is a link to the tracklist for all interested: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000DII8Q/qid=1070032724/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-7524182-1664062 > > > Jason > > _________________________________________________________________ > Say goodbye to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet > connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:56:14 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 02:14:26AM -0000, Tim wrote: > Blur <> Wire Thank God for that. Doesn't mean some of us can't see merit in both of them, though; that's what diversity of opinion is about. :-) Personally, I like Blur a lot: they were one of the bands who made sense to me when I was sixteen and lonely, as a lot of people are at that age. "The Great Escape" is one of the most melancholy records I know: even the songs which, on the surface, are glib and flippant ("Mr. Robinson's Quango", "Charmless Man") provide a somewhat different perspective when you (accurately, I reckon) see them as self-portraits. I see it as a breakdown record, really. It's about depression ("People here would break into a cold sweat, if you said / that these were the best days of their lives", and of course the middle eight of "Country House": "blow, blow me down, I am so sad and I don't know why" - a childish sentiment, maybe, but I believe an honest one), alienation ("Yuko and Hiro", "The Universal", half the rest of the record), and the dark side of the success Damon Albarn had sold his soul for. The plastic sheen of the music only adds to this effect; sure, it's "ironic", and that sticks in the craw of quite a few people, but it's also viewable as an effort to hide these dark sentiments in a package where they're a little less obvious. "Leisure" is not a good record, with the exception of "Sing", but there's legions of bands with terrible debut albums. Other than that, and their most recent record (which I can't agree with Keith about: the other aspect of Blur which fascinated me was the perpetual musical power-struggle between Albarn and Coxon, which is where most of the interesting tension in their sound came from), I think the rest of their output (and for what it's worth, I reckon TGE is their second-weakest record. Even there, as I've argued above, there's a lot to dig out of it which isn't entirely obvious on the surface) is at least interesting, and at its best (from "Popscene" through "This is a Low" to "Trimm Trabb") some of the best *pop* guitar music I know. Yes, it's unashamed pop a lot of the time, which Wire isn't; artistically, Wire are obviously more successful, make fewer compromises, and so forth and so on: but that doesn't mean that I have to scorn anything less pure or focussed. Blur are artificial, and ironic, and dishonest: but even that artifice is revealing, and I'm not going to be ashamed of enjoying their records. - - Andrew (possibly incoherent, as it's 2:50am and this is stream-of-consciousness. All hail the Internet.) - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ (10pm Fri) http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 03:32:52 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] coffee + tv It's Saturday night. What is everyone doing home? The Great Escape was the last Blur album I liked. Maybe half of 'Blur'. Only a few singles after that. As for reissues: Pop Art box set is very good. The third disc has some remastered remixes that weren't on the cd reissues a few years back. I really wanted the vinyl, but it's too expensive. Haven't watched the dvd yet. Brings my PSB collection to 63 cds and over 50 pieces of vinyl. I expect some backlash over that. The DEVO dvd is great for the audio commentary. Too bad it's a reissue of the 1993 laserdisc. I don't think the sound is quite up to today's standards. By the way, I love some pop music. I am not ashamed. I like some crappy videos too. Everything I like doesn't have to sound like fax tones. good night p.s. Kylie's new cd is good, but not as immediate as her last. I prefer her sister's latest cd. - --- Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 02:14:26AM -0000, Tim wrote: > > Blur <> Wire > > Thank God for that. Doesn't mean some of us can't > see merit in both of > them, though; that's what diversity of opinion is > about. :-) > >..." ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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