From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #350 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, November 23 2003 Volume 06 : Number 350 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Colin and Minimal Compact ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] OT - Let It Be Naked... ["ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and Minimal Compact I asked Swim, (in this case Colin) what his role could be with Minimal Compact the coming time. Me: This Question is meant for Colin or Malka. CN: I'll answer as Malka is in Tel Aviv rehearsing with Minimal. Of course I noticed the release of the Minimal Compact Box early next year. There should be one ceedee with rare outtakes of the band. Are there also reordings on it where Colin is playing guitar. I always had the idea Colin is playing on Raging Souls. There is anyway a sound on it that would not be strange on his own records. I think the box set will be pretty nice. Malka did all the images and also guided the graphics so if Crammed don't screw up the production (always a possibility) it should look pretty good (although perhaps too much like a swim release :) Of the 3 CDs I think the most revealing will be the one you refer to which is called "music from upstairs" it has sleeve notes by Malka and has some really strong material. Anyone who wonders how the stuff on her solo albums relates to the Minimal stuff need wonder no more as it's all there. I think I played a bit (but not very much) guitar on Raging souls. There's one bit on "My Will" but that's the only bit I actually remember. There's a theory in the band I played more! Me: Another one. Are you, Colin, also going with them on stage the coming tour? CN: Malka said they are going to ask me to play a couple of songs with them on the last gig (which is where this "theory" about me knowing some of the songs came from!) This venue is enormous and it's pretty important gig for them so I'll be standing at the back and playing very quiet as I don't want to mess it up for them! Me: Last One Is this a reunion or a new start with Minimal Compact? CN: The $60,000 question. Short answer, no one knows. There would be considerable technical problems about them "doing a wire" as they live very far apart but I guess if they all finish up thinking at the end of this that is was more than just a bit of a laugh then who knows. Jan J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:25:43 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Colin and Minimal Compact Excellent, Jan. To be honest although I've got Malka's Hide, I'm not sure I've heard MC, or if I have it was so long ago I can't recall it. Are they along similar lines to Hide? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan J Noorda" To: "IC" Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Colin and Minimal Compact > I asked Swim, (in this case Colin) what his role could be with Minimal > Compact the coming time. > > Me: This Question is meant for Colin or Malka. > > CN: I'll answer as Malka is in Tel Aviv rehearsing with Minimal. > > Of course I noticed the release of the Minimal Compact Box early next year. > There should be one ceedee with rare outtakes of the band. Are there also > reordings on it where Colin is playing guitar. I always had the idea Colin > is > playing on Raging Souls. There is anyway a sound on it that would not be > strange on his own records. > > I think the box set will be pretty nice. Malka did all the images and also > guided the graphics so if Crammed don't screw up the production (always a > possibility) it should look pretty good (although perhaps too much like a > swim release :) Of the 3 CDs I think the most revealing will be the one you > refer to which is called "music from upstairs" it has sleeve notes by Malka > and has some really strong material. Anyone who wonders how the stuff on her > solo albums relates to the Minimal stuff need wonder no more as it's all > there. > > I think I played a bit (but not very much) guitar on Raging souls. There's > one bit on "My Will" but that's the only bit I actually remember. There's a > theory in the band I played more! > > Me: Another one. > Are you, Colin, also going with them on stage the coming tour? > > CN: Malka said they are going to ask me to play a couple of songs with them > on > the last gig > (which is where this "theory" about me knowing some of the songs came from!) > This venue is enormous and it's pretty important gig for them so I'll be > standing at the back and playing very quiet as I don't want to mess it up > for them! > > Me: Last One > > Is this a reunion or a new start with Minimal Compact? > > CN: The $60,000 question. Short answer, no one knows. There would be > considerable technical problems about them "doing a wire" as they live very > far apart but I guess if they all finish up thinking at the end of this that > is was more than just a bit of a laugh then who knows. > > Jan J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 14:52:07 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought It was indeed me bigging up KaitO, Alistair, and I'm so pleased you liked them - although I have plenty of friends who think equally highly of them one does begin to doubt one's sanity when they are so below the radar. They're beginning to pick up some attention from Artrocker and Careless Talk Costs Lives (RIP) now but they really should be higher profile than they are. Went to the Strange Fruit festival last night to see the excellent Schwervon!, who are tighter than when I saw them with Jeffrey Lewis earlier in the year and still a great deal of fun. I was also impressed by Free Loan Investments from Sweden and by Thomas Truax when he played his 'Hornicator', a miked-up large horn which he often shouts down. That's my last planned gig of the year, which makes 40 I think - a great gigging year and probably more than I've seen in one year since the 70s. I've probably seen over 100 bands. The great feature of the year has been the quality of the support bands and the bills generally, coupled with the amazing average low cost. This is a great time to be gig going around London. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Alistair Tear ps. saw Kaito last week supporting the liars and would like to thank whoever was bigging them up here recently (Keith?) they really are good ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:31:41 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Heart on Snow wow...on a bargain bin binge, i just picked up the new Marc Almond album: "Heart on Snow" and i must say, i REALLY like it...i was a bit dismissive of it before i had even heard it...what a mistake... it is an lp of Russian romance songs...some of which Marc sings in Russian...the arrangements are fantastic...very subtle electronics on some songs..others have gypsy violin..others sparse piano...Marc's even backed by the Choir of the Higher Naval Engineering Academy of St. Petersburg ... mostly a very melancholy affair but a VERY mature outing for Marc ....very detailed liner notes about each song's history... i know there's only a few of you out there who would give Marc the time of day, but if you get a chance, put your preconceived notions away and check out the wonderful lp.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:48:41 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of CHRISWIRE@aol.com In a message dated 21/11/2003 12:56:11 GMT Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Me, too. And the other two albums I want to hear for similar reasons are > are > Olias of Sunhillow and Vibing up the Senile Man! > > Keith Olias Of Sunhillow !! I remember that! By Jon Anderson. God it was horrible. But thanks for reminding me of it.And those other Yes members individual albums.Like Chris Squire's Fish Out Of Water or something like that.And Steve Howe doing something I have completely forgotten the name of. Chris - ------------------------------------------------- I've spotted Olias of Sunhillow for a fiver in Fopp and although I'm not adverse to splashing out occasionally on reasonably-priced nostalgia trips at that shop (which must explain my recent acquisition of Aqualung) I'd have to be very drunk to hand over money for Jon Anderson's folly. It was crap then and I suspect it's crap now (and I can listen to Fragile and Close to the Edge without too much embarrassment... - -------------------------- > I have got Tales From Topographic oceans &have not played it in 15 > years i > think.Maybe twenty.... Now where is it?? > if and when you find it, if you should decide that you absolutely loathe it, you could always donate it to me : ) ....mine was destroyed by an evil punk rocker .. RL - ----------------------------------------- ...but not Topographic Oceans. I was scarred for life seeing this performed live before it was released on record. The longest two hours I've ever spent at a gig. That evil punk rocker gets my vote. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:08:19 +0000 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Let It Be Naked... strangely enough...i've never owned a copy of the original LP...but i HAVE watched the film ahem, 'several' times... got hold of this today...i'm up to 'Don't Let Me Down'....and it's sounding mighty fine indeed... now i'm gonna have to see how much it actually differs from the original, dammit... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 13:57:01 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Let It Be Naked... >now i'm gonna have to see how much it actually differs >from the original, dammit... It differs by quite a lot in some ways - but not as much as you might think. Quick History - skip to the next paragraph if you're a hardcore Beatles fan, or just want the quick rundown. The Beatles owe United Artists another movie in their three movie contract. Their quick appearance at the end of Yellow Submarine didn't count. To get it over with, and because Paul McCartney is now single and has too much free time, they agree to be filmed rehearsing a new album "Get Back". Get Back is a series of rehearsals in preparation for a (very undefined future) concert, so there are no overdubs, etc. Unfortunately, the filming takes place in a cold film studio at 10:00 in the morning - not conductive to great group harmony. They reconvene in Apple's basement after George temporarily quits, and finish the project with a rooftop concert - the last concert the Beatles ever performed. George Martin listens to the rehearsal tapes and basically bails. The recording engineer, Glyn Johns (later famous for Who's Next, Combat Rock, etc.) puts together an album of jokey chatter, song run-throughs and other assorted Beatles ephemera called Get Back. Acetates are cut and played on pirate radio stations. The Beatles realize how half-baked the project is, and shelve the Get Back album indefinitely. However, they get George Martin (or possibly Glyn Johns - he's not credited) to cobble together a single "Get Back"/"Don't Let Me Down" that does pretty well. The Beatles start working on their proper farewell album "Abbey Road", although the film - now titled "Let It Be" is still being edited by the director. While the Beatles are breaking up, the film is completed, and a soundtrack album needs to be made. John Lennon, now working with Phil Spector, thinks that he's the perfect person to polish the jokey Get Back tapes. George and Ringo agree - Paul doesn't. Let It Be comes out with some of the jokes intact, but massive "Wall Of Sound" production on a number of tracks. Paul hates it. Let It Be... Naked was compiled from the tracks (and apparently the studio takes) that were selected by Phil Spector from the Get Back fiasco to be turned into the Let It Be album. This is *not* the original Glyn Johns "Get Back" album - there are rooftop concert cuts on here, for example. Also included is the final session that George, Paul and Ringo did to record "I, Me, Mine" since it appears in the film, but wasn't taped properly for the Get Back album. Same with "Across The Universe" - this is the original '67 era track, but finally played at proper speed - not sped up with bird sounds like the Charity album version, nor slowed down with strings like the Let It Be "Spectorized" version. Also - all of the jokey dialog has been excised, along with Maggie May and Dig It. Don't Let Me Down was added - and rightfully so, since it was the B-side to the Get Back single and a great Lennon performance - but this is still a pretty short record. If you've seen the Let It Be film, then you know what these tracks will sound like. They are very similar to the versions that appear in the movie. If you've only heard the Let It Be album - your response may vary. You'll either love the stripping away of the syrupy strings, or be appalled by how bar-band the Beatles sound without overdubbing. (Critics have reacted both ways.) I, for one, would have preferred to have had "Get Back" released instead. According to the "Beatles at Abbey Road", there were two complete album acetates cut and banded - both rejected by the band. Master tapes must exist of both of these attempts. A two CD set would have been awesome. Instead "Let It Be...Naked" ends up being slightly revisionist history - e.g. yet another version of the song "Let It Be" to consider - now you've got the "phalanx of producers" Let It Be..Naked version in addition to the existing George Martin single, and the Phil Spector album cut. Also - there's a conspicuous lack of detailed information about the creation of these tracks. I would have really appreciated an "Anthology"-like detail about the creation and selection of the tracks (and raw takes) for this record. Hopefully, Mix magazine will talk about this, like they did for the creation of the Yellow Submarine Songtrack album. The good news is that "Let It Be... Naked" sounds good, the varnish removal - for the most part - is welcome, and the remaining members of the band (including George Harrison) and Yoko Ono approved the mixes. But - you may find it a fairly unecessary addition if you didn't like Let It Be much in the first place. And, no - I haven't listened to the 20 minute "Fly On The Wall" disc of studio chatter that comes with the first edition of the CD. I think that almost reviews itself, really. (^_^) Cheers, Paul NP - Swervedriver - 99th Dream ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:31:12 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought Keith: >It was indeed me bigging up KaitO, Alistair, and I'm so pleased you >liked them - although I have plenty of friends who think equally highly >of them one does begin to doubt one's sanity when they are so below the >radar. ////////// Saw Kaito open for British Sea Power here in Toronto a few weeks ago. Extremely good and impressive. I thought the lead singer had a good voice not to mention the fact that she is cute. Heather (my wife) thought so too. Eric in Toronto ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 01:35:43 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Let It Be Naked... Paul says: > > Quick History - skip to the next paragraph if you're a hardcore Beatles fan, > Unfortunately, the filming takes place in a cold film studio at 10:00 > in the morning - not conductive to great group harmony. Nor to Lennon & Yokos Heroin habits I should imagine. > If you've seen the Let It Be film, then you know what these tracks will > sound like. They are very similar to the versions that appear in the movie. I believe this was supposed to come out at the same time as the DVD of the same. Presumably thats not ready to roll and Apple wanted something to release to the Christmas market. > > I, for one, would have preferred to have had "Get Back" released instead. > According to the "Beatles at Abbey Road", there were two complete album > acetates cut and banded - both rejected by the band. I think they should have at least called it Get Back, as Let it Be Naked sounds terribly naff! I would prefer to hear some better remastering of the earlier catalogue without the "drums in one ear, vocals in the other" stereo mixes which sound so bad in headphones. And if a "Stereo" Beatles song comes on the jukebox, depending on where you are in the pub you either get a very loud vocal over tinny music or no vocals at all. Presumably those, along with DVD Audio mixes are in the pipeline anyway..... N.P. David Sylvian - Red Guitar (what a song!...eh Robert?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 02:01:09 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT : This isn't Radio Clash (Hairy Cornflake) I've never cared much for The Clash and I'm not thrilled by the prospect of a 300 page article in this months Uncut.........although........ Keith says: > >>Still, they couldn't do too much wrong for me after the ghastly Dave Lee > > > Travis on Radio 1 played Complete Control - still an incredible noise - > and > > > said it was the worst single he had ever heard!<< > > > > I remember that moment. The hairy arsehole was incandescent at having to > play > > it on the chart rundown as it had sneaked in at no.29 or something. Never > > liked him, but hated him with a vengeance from then on. Boy would I love to have a sample of that Radio moment! In 1990(?) I recall Steve Wright (actually a superb Radio presenter with terrible music taste) similarly bemoaning the first LFO single on Warp which somehow got into the top 20 as being the most boring record ever. In the context of daytime radio it probably was so fair enough. > How I miss him and the sound of his balls clunking into the pockets ; ) > > (It was a supposed radio snooker game, US listees!) Thats right folks, Snooker on the Radio. He also introduced Darts on the radio as well didn't he? Quack Quack Oops was the catchphrase. Still I would prefer to listen to DLT than current Radio 1 Breakfast Show 'host' Sara Cox dribbling on endlessly about how much she drank/drugged last night and which Zero-rate celebrity "Funky Vocal House" DJ she was drinking/snorting with. So would most of the UK as her ratings are a fraction of what the DLT the Hairy Cornflake might have had in his heyday. Hence Radio 2 now rules the airwaves, although 'The Kids' are probably listening to Galaxy. Eeee radio isn't what it used to be.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:12:53 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Let It Be Naked... In a message dated 11/22/03 7:37:18 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > N.P. David Sylvian - Red Guitar (what a song!...eh Robert?) > yeah, but the real clincher of Brilliant Trees is the last three tracks: Weathered Wall Backwaters Brilliant Trees that trio gives me the chills everytime i hear them... think i'll put it on now.. RL ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #350 *******************************