From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #348 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, November 21 2003 Volume 06 : Number 348 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Dugga dugga babba [Fergus Kelly ] [idealcopy] Wirelevant [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] To Clash or not to Clash [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby ["Keith Astbury" ] RE: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby ["Jack Alberson" ] Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Franz Ferdinand in Later ["Jan J Noorda" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:02:07 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Dugga dugga babba Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:22:59 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: [idealcopy] Dugga, Son of Wire Hey all, I've been away for a while but I'm back.saw Wire in Atlanta back in 2002 and met the band. My wife and I told Graham Lewis that if we ever had a son we were naming it after him (he wanted us to name him Edvard instead of Graham). I guess it was self-fulfilling prophecy, my wife got pregnant in February and Graham Colin Alberson was born three weeks ago. ))) Hey, congratulations Jack... his first words should be Dugga Dugga Dugga... :) If you have another son you will have to call him Robert Bruce... for continuity... And if it's a girl ? Well... Liv Malka of course ! Anyhow, I've been in touch with Graham and Colin (working on an interview for my site) and it's shaping up to be a really good interview. I'll post some choice bits shortly. ))) Look forward to that. Things seem to have been quiet in Wire Central lately... I could be wrong though, they could be slaving over a hot computer as I type... or hatching plans for another 'spectacular'. It'd be interesting to know if young Graham was concieved in February, could it have been on the 22nd... EGL's birthday... I think if you translate Graham's cries, you'll find that he's saying (or He Said) Feed Me !! Fergus ps - I meant to say... welcome to the list... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 03:12:38 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Wirelevant Robert L asked... .....anyone ever hear anything more about that Graham Lewis and John Duncan collaboration? ))) No news on that front after recent inquiry... or how about the imminent Bruce Gilbert solo album (third part of the trilogy started with Ab Ovo and In Esse)?? ))) Don't know about imminent. Each time I speak to Bruce about that, he says he's getting closer, but he's been getting closer for about 18 months now... apart from Wire commitments, part of the problem now is that EMI/Mute aren't as likely to be interested in releasing more of Bruce's stuff. Though Touch or Mego would seem to be sympathetic souls... AND, does anyone know if the Helvitis Organ Symphony conducted by Bruce will ever be released? ))) Never asked him about that. Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:50 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) > /////never heard it , but his tuneless hollering of "stay free" doesn't > exactly suggest a guy in fine voice these days An artist can only do so much with a shit canvas ; ) > /////i loved them for 2 albums then lost interest. sure there was a comedy > aspect to them , but there were some great tunes in there which is why they're > on the cover of uncut 25 years later and charlie harper , i fear , may never > again be on the cover of anything Now even I would have to have my tongue firmly in my cheek to say I'd want that. But on the other hand, I was rather fond of World War... But you're right, The Clash didn't just sell more records than the UK Subs or Wire for that matter. They obviously touched a lot of people in a profound way. Witness a recent Uncut or Mojo putting the Clash in the top 10 of rock's most influential moments, higher than the Pistols - even though there wouldn't even have been a Clash without the Pistols... > > And (like Let It Bleed), Combat Rock is MUCH better!! > > /////i just saw it as a blando american rock album. but there you go. Funny how we see thtese things differently (I don't mean me and Paul, but people in general). I see CR as a genuinely adventurous and ambitious album. Whereas I see LC and Sandinista as ambitious only in seeing whether they can play different types of music (the punk 10cc!!!) - and also in what they could get away with! - I thought they were genuinely stretching themselves with Combat. And condensing it so they could fit it on one piece of vinyl. And I know Dan doesn't like Rock the Casbah but I think it's a great track - and - excuse my blushing! - it's the only record I've ever choreographed for a night out - me and a mate playing the Supremes to another mate being Diana Ross in the middle. I guess you had to be there ; ) Anyway, I think it's only a matter of time before we see a Revolver-like re-evaluation of CR> > must try and hear cut the crap one day to see if its really so bad :-) p Me, too. And the other two albums I want to hear for similar reasons are are Olias of Sunhillow and Vibing up the Senile Man! Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 07:56:06 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] To Clash or not to Clash > >>Perhaps the best gig I ever went to was the Clash at the now burnt-down > Sophia Gardens in Cardiff ('79 or '80 - it was the 16 tons tour, I could > Google it I suppose)... But then they did a very disappointing 'greatest > hits' tour a year or two later. The albums were a mixed lot (loved London > Calling at the time but bought it on CD a couple of years ago and find most > of it very dated/dull now) but they did have plenty of verve and at least > one great vocalist.<< 16 tons tour was great - I saw them at Lancaster Uni. Incredible atmosphere. > >>Still, they couldn't do too much wrong for me after the ghastly Dave Lee > Travis on Radio 1 played Complete Control - still an incredible noise - and > said it was the worst single he had ever heard!<< I remember that moment. The hairy arsehole was incandescent at having to play it on the chart rundown as it had sneaked in at no.29 or something. Never liked him, but hated him with a vengeance from then on. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:06:34 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby > Ah yes > The leather trousers & the pink boa. We should be thankful "our Keith" was > not suckered into Culture Club. OY!!! I've never told anyone on this list to F- off, but this could a good place to start ; ) Nasty peice of work IMO, Boy George. I normally enjoy listening to that style of camp bitchery, but George is just nasty. Still think Do You Really Want To hurt Me is a great single, mind. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:13:17 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] To Clash or not to Clash >>Still, they couldn't do too much wrong for me after the ghastly Dave Lee > > Travis on Radio 1 played Complete Control - still an incredible noise - and > > said it was the worst single he had ever heard!<< > > I remember that moment. The hairy arsehole was incandescent at having to play > it on the chart rundown as it had sneaked in at no.29 or something. Never > liked him, but hated him with a vengeance from then on. > > Mark How I miss him and the sound of his balls clunking into the pockets ; ) (It was a supposed radio snooker game, US listees!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:12:54 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) << i believe they're december, whereas the widdle-michael-stipe (who makes moby, btw, look like jaz coleman) disc accompanies november. if memory serves, you're in atlanta, pj ... >> DAN: indeed -- good memory. well, actually i am in Marietta, but same thing really. << from what i've experienced, the british zines make it to borders or criminal records there (& no doubt other places, too) at least a week or 2 before they arrive here, no doubt on the back of mule-drawn carts laden with watermelon. >> so they should be out now then? coolness -- i will have to hit a bookstore this weekend to look for these. thanks for the info... some of the tunes look really interesting, especially: Asian Dub Foundation & Zebda - Police On My Back Billy Bragg & The Neurotics - Garageland The Waco Brothers - I Fought The Law Tommy Stinson - Hateful (little Tommy Stinson doing solo work nowadays? what has the world come to.... and where the hell is Paul Westerberg?) also, i have another Clash tribute disc with the Cracker version of "White Riot" on it. hilarious -- they do it with deep southern drawls... quite entertaining. << & the mescaleros track may be exclusive, too (i have none of those releases, so couldn't say). >> i have the first 2 Mescoleros disc, but haven't picked up the new one. and "Long Shadow" is the single off of the new one.... << some of this stuff appeared on that burning london tribute disc a few years ago ... >> that is where the Cracker tune is from. << i picked up a used copy back in 2000 or so & have never gotten around to playing it. >> it is ... okay. there are a few really good ones (like the Cracker) and a lot of filler. hope you didn't pay too much! (I paid $5 for one still in the shrink wrap, and feel that i got my money's worth...) << & who wrote police on my back? eddy grant? >> yes, he did. it is odd that someone would cover a cover song... however, it is the Waco Brothers, and i bet that they would really blister through that track.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:00:12 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby Alabama, you say? My my...I spent about a month in Lowndesboro once and nearly went off my nut. Ah...Heterodyne...the music is still on, but I'm on my own completely. Contemplating a Wire cover but which song to do? I've also been dared to do a cover of the Pixies' "River Euphrates" by a friend...and then there's the original stuff. Still in Memphis with my wife of over a year and new Wire fan...ahem, I mean son. J - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of dan bailey Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:54 PM To: ideal copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby glad to see you posting again, jack; i think i'll dig out my heterodyne cd & give it a ceremonious spin to mark the occasion ... how're things in memphis, if you're still there? anything going on with your music? i, of course, am wishing to hell i had the means (mortgages in ark & ala + sporadic freelance income + serious music addiction + vet bills = difficulty changing places) to get back to little rock; am observing one solid year of unemployment here in cthulhuforsaken alabama tomorrow. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:06:13 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Dugga dugga babba It's gonna take some convincing to get my wife to have another baby, I think, but perhaps if we ever get another cat I'll name him Gotobed. ;) The interview process is going quite well. Colin and I are due to discuss Read and Burn 03 as well as a (possible) revisiting/remixing of the Manscape material...as well as Swim~ and other things. Funny enough, Graham actually told me he wanted to 'torch it' last night. Hmm...that boy's growing up far too fast for his own good... ;) Jack NP: "Barrel of a Gun" by Depeche Mode - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Fergus Kelly Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 5:02 AM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Dugga dugga babba ))) Hey, congratulations Jack... his first words should be Dugga Dugga Dugga... :) If you have another son you will have to call him Robert Bruce... for continuity... And if it's a girl ? Well... Liv Malka of course ! ))) Look forward to that. Things seem to have been quiet in Wire Central lately... I could be wrong though, they could be slaving over a hot computer as I type... or hatching plans for another 'spectacular'. It'd be interesting to know if young Graham was concieved in February, could it have been on the 22nd... EGL's birthday... I think if you translate Graham's cries, you'll find that he's saying (or He Said) Feed Me !! Fergus ps - I meant to say... welcome to the list... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:21:27 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought Hi everyone Tomorrow I'm going to an interesting-sounding event namely 'Death in June' on a (static) boat on the Thames Admission includes a vegetarian buffet! I was wondering what, if any, opinions about Death in June are out there in Idealcopyland thanks for your attention later A ps. saw Kaito last week supporting the liars and would like to thank whoever was bigging them up here recently (Keith?) they really are good ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:23:13 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought Death in June....now is that the project Rose McDowell (former of Strawberry Switchblade and Coil) is or was involved with? Lovely lass, that Rose... I've heard good things about Death in June but woefully have never heard them. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Alistair Tear Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:21 AM To: Wire (E-mail) Subject: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought Hi everyone Tomorrow I'm going to an interesting-sounding event namely 'Death in June' on a (static) boat on the Thames Admission includes a vegetarian buffet! I was wondering what, if any, opinions about Death in June are out there in Idealcopyland thanks for your attention later A ps. saw Kaito last week supporting the liars and would like to thank whoever was bigging them up here recently (Keith?) they really are good ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:39:51 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 11/21/03 8:23:37 AM Central Standard Time, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > I was wondering what, if any, opinions about > Death in June are out there in Idealcopyland well...i'm a fan of that whole Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound thang...but i have to say that Death in June has never done anything for me.....their doom and gloom apocalyptic folk is a watered down version of Current 93's (and i hate theirs as well...i'm more into the horrific soundscape pieces) ...and Douglas P.'s fascination with Nazi-ism is a bit...ehem..tastless... but that's just my opinion...what do i know? i am, afterall, the guy who loves Soft Cell...and speaking of which, he has a new album out...he sings Russian folk songs in Russian...oh brother... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:02 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought > Douglas P.'s fascination with Nazi-ism is a bit...ehem..tastless... Oh dear, I'm not going to see some Nazi, am I? Still, I can always enjoy the view of the river which is very nice at night, even more so now with the new light sculpture thingy www.shellelectricstorm.com later A > -----Original Message----- > From: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] > Sent: 21 November 2003 15:40 > To: alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought > > > In a message dated 11/21/03 8:23:37 AM Central Standard Time, > alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > > > I was wondering what, if any, opinions about > > Death in June are out there in Idealcopyland > > well...i'm a fan of that whole Coil/Current 93/Nurse With > Wound thang...but i > have to say that Death in June has never done anything for > me.....their doom > and gloom apocalyptic folk is a watered down version of > Current 93's (and i > hate theirs as well...i'm more into the horrific soundscape > pieces) ...and > Douglas P.'s fascination with Nazi-ism is a bit...ehem..tastless... > > but that's just my opinion...what do i know? i am, afterall, > the guy who > loves Soft Cell...and speaking of which, he has a new album > out...he sings Russian > folk songs in Russian...oh brother... > > RL > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:21:46 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 11/21/2003 9:21:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > Tomorrow I'm going to an interesting-sounding event > namely 'Death in June' on a (static) boat on the Thames > Admission includes a vegetarian buffet! > > I was wondering what, if any, opinions about > Death in June are out there in Idealcopyland /////well they certainly are an "interesting" band , i quite like the first couple of albums but that was a hell of a long time ago (82/83). of course you have to ignore the flirtation with some silly WW2 imagery , but musically i thought they had something. but doug (the main man) soon turned it into a solo act and i lost interest soon after that. no idea what they sound like in 2003 but they release endless very pricey limited edition "fleece your fanbase" packages which seem to sit on record shop walls unbought forever (next to the nurse with wound album , just above the whitehouse 12") p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:41:55 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought > >>/////well they certainly are an "interesting" band , i quite like the > first couple of albums but that was a hell of a long time ago (82/83). of course > you have to ignore the flirtation with some silly WW2 imagery , but > musically i thought they had something.<< Saw them supporting the Birthday Party (which dates them somewhat) in winter 82-83. The softer end of the NWW/C93 spectrum - Doug the camp commandant singer had a bit of a Kirk Brandon image. Their best-known song dates from about this time - Falling back into fieldss of rape. Moody strumalong with acoustic guitar. Bet they still play it! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:59:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 11/21/03 11:51:37 AM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Saw them supporting the Birthday Party (which dates them somewhat) in winter > 82-83. The softer end of the NWW/C93 spectrum - Doug the camp commandant > singer had a bit of a Kirk Brandon image. Their best-known song dates from > about > this time - Falling back into fieldss of rape. Moody strumalong with > acoustic > guitar. Bet they still play it! > > Mark > > wait...DIJ does that song too? i know Current 93 does...but then again, Douglas P. used to be in Current 93 so who knows who's song it is... Douglas P. is a bit pissed that he wasn't included in the "England's Hidden Reverse" book....a bit of controversy about whether he was asked and refused or whether he wasn't asked at all... actually, i didn't care..i was more hoping for a lot more coverage of Boyd Rice or The Legendary Pink Dots... RL RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:09:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought > >>wait...DIJ does that song too? i know Current 93 does...but then again, > Douglas P. used to be in Current 93 so who knows who's song it is...<< > > DIJ certainly played the song when I saw them. Given DP's strident solo > peformance I doubt whether anyone else had a hand in it. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:03:54 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 21/11/2003 17:41:55 GMT Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: > Saw them supporting the Birthday Party (which dates them somewhat) in > winter 82-83. The softer end of the NWW/C93 spectrum - Doug the camp commandant > singer had a bit of a Kirk Brandon image. Their best-known song dates from > about this time - Falling back into fieldss of rape. Moody strumalong with > acoustic guitar. Bet they still play it! /////////the album that comes from (its called "crush my love" actually) is the second one , "nada". for just that album christ 666 (or tibet as his mum probably doesn't call him) was on board too and co-wrote a lot of it. i take it they were an "item" at the time , maybe they fell out badly and hence he's airbrushed douglas from his memoirs (see also jon savage and the stranglers)? nada is better than the first album , by then they'd sacked the original bassist for his right wing connections so the dodgy imagery is toned down a lot. titter ye not , but a few contemporary reviews compared nada very favourably with the bunnymen (as in they were genuinely dark and really meant it). however , fixations with german uniforms from the 33 - 45 period do not tend to play well with IPC sub-editors so mac retained the student massive without much bother. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:07:26 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) In a message dated 21/11/2003 12:56:11 GMT Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Me, too. And the other two albums I want to hear for similar reasons are > are > Olias of Sunhillow and Vibing up the Senile Man! > > Keith > Olias Of Sunhillow !! I remember that! By Jon Anderson. God it was horrible. But thanks for reminding me of it.And those other Yes members individual albums.Like Chris Squire's Fish Out Of Water or something like that.And Steve Howe doing something I have completely forgotten the name of. Chris NP. A Certain Ratio - Sextet ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:12:43 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought > I don't know the relationship anymore, but there was one with Tony > Wakeford's Sol Invictus and Karl Blake's Shockheaded Peters who have brought > out some nice releases. Lot of melancholia feeling in their music. Yes I did > like these two for a while. And still, I am curious what Karl is doing. > Death in June? Gothic: Skulls, Holy Grails, Swastikas, Knights, Romans and > other subjects where some german nazi intellectuals were also interested in. > Sorry for them. I am never surprised by their music. Strange that gothic is > very popular in germany. Look at music-fairs in Holland. It are often German > merchants who have more Death in June, DeadCanDance, Coil, Ordo Equitum > Solis, Moon Lay Hidden Benath A Cloud... then others > But I am aware of mentioning this. Maybe they choose for Dutch buyers. Or > there has been sold more Gothic in Italy on a music-fair where I have never > been. > > JanJ > > > Tomorrow I'm going to an interesting-sounding event > > namely 'Death in June' on a (static) boat on the Thames > > Admission includes a vegetarian buffet! > > > > I was wondering what, if any, opinions about > > Death in June are out there in Idealcopyland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:22:45 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wirelevant My Question to John Duncan I am signed up to a group-list who are discussing the ins and outs from Wire. It is called idealcopy. And there were rumours about a collaboration release from Graham Lewis with you. Now, Wire had started their band seriously again. And plans has to be be changed for the individuals. But curiously as we are: Is the project from you with Graham still going on? His Answer The project is called PRESENCE and will be released by Allquestions in spring 2004. Jan J > Robert L asked... > > .....anyone ever hear anything > more about that Graham Lewis and John Duncan > collaboration? > > ))) No news on that front after recent inquiry... > > or how about the > imminent Bruce Gilbert solo album (third part of the > trilogy started with Ab Ovo > and In Esse)?? > > ))) Don't know about imminent. Each time I speak to > Bruce about that, he says he's getting closer, but > he's been getting closer for about 18 months now... > apart from Wire commitments, part of the problem now > is that EMI/Mute aren't as likely to be interested in > releasing more of Bruce's stuff. Though Touch or Mego > would seem to be sympathetic souls... > > AND, does anyone know if the Helvitis Organ Symphony > conducted by Bruce will > ever be released? > > ))) Never asked him about that. > > Fergus > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:27:37 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 21/11/2003 15:52:56 GMT Standard Time, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > Douglas P.'s fascination with Nazi-ism is a bit...ehem..tastless... > > Oh dear, I'm not going to see some Nazi, am I? > > Still, I can always enjoy the view of the river > which is very nice at night, even more so now > with the new light sculpture thingy > > Alistair I do believe Robert is correct.There is strong Fascist undertones in Death In Junes work but that should not make you prejudge what you see.I bought a couple of albums oblivious to the fact & would use two words to describe my initial feelings Dark & Gothic. Probably even more so than DeadCanDance.Who i really do love. Chris NP Championship Manager 4 while listening to Wendy & Lisa - Eroica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:59:04 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought > NP Championship Manager 4 while listening to Wendy & Lisa - Eroica Sorry to veer off on this topic, but Eroica is an awesome record. Very underrated and pretty much forgotten album from Wendy & Lisa. If you like this record, you might want to check out Girl Bros. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ayd90s37ia3vg Plus - it's on World Domination records who I think distributed some WMO releases, so I guess this isn't as off-topic as I thought. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:05:39 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 11/21/03 1:27:37 PM Central Standard Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > Alistair > I do believe Robert is correct.There is strong Fascist undertones in Death > In Junes work but that should not make you prejudge what you see.I bought a > couple of albums oblivious to the fact & would use two words to describe my > initial feelings Dark & Gothic. > Probably even more so than DeadCanDance.Who i really do love. > > Chris DIJ isn't even dark & gothic anymore...they are just plain boring.....speaking of Dead Can Dance (whom i love also) has anyone heard Lisa Gerrard's "Whalerider" soundtrack? is it any good? np - Roy Davis Jr. "Traxx From the Nile" RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:49:05 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Franz Ferdinand in Later Are there some who know them. Glaswegian rockers started in 2001, when Bob was given a bass guitar so that he could "do something useful with it". The result is some edgy, euphoric art-rock . They play Darts of Pleasure and Take Me Out. Looks interesting, but could be probably main-stream alternative rock like a lot of Jools guests. Jan J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:08:33 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 11/21/03 3:06:04 PM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > If you like this record, you might want to check out Girl Bros. > > http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ayd90s37ia3vg > > Plus - it's on World Domination records who I think distributed some WMO > releases, so I guess this isn't as off-topic as I thought. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul HAHHAHA what a reach! RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:49:15 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought i've a couple of archival releases (corn years & nada, as well as the 93 dead sunwheels ep, plus some boxed 12" &/or 10" thing that i believe is missing a record or booklet or something) & would own more if they'd turn up cheap &/or used. in particular, the early tracks she said destroy (no relation, afaik, to the fine electroclash song destroy she said, not that i can remember who did it) & she's calling are goth anthems par excellence, worthy of inclusion with factory's early '80s best -- than which, for me, there isn't much higher praise. dan >In a message dated 21/11/2003 15:52:56 GMT Standard Time, >alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > >> Douglas P.'s fascination with Nazi-ism is a bit...ehem..tastless... >> >> Oh dear, I'm not going to see some Nazi, am I? >> >> Still, I can always enjoy the view of the river >> which is very nice at night, even more so now >> with the new light sculpture thingy >> >> > >Alistair > I do believe Robert is correct.There is strong Fascist undertones in Death >In Junes work but that should not make you prejudge what you see.I bought a >couple of albums oblivious to the fact & would use two words to describe my >initial feelings Dark & Gothic. >Probably even more so than DeadCanDance.Who i really do love. > >Chris > >NP Championship Manager 4 while listening to Wendy & Lisa - Eroica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:50:24 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought geez ... forgot this one existed. thanks, paul. i do have, & rather like, the girl bros disc. dan >> NP Championship Manager 4 while listening to Wendy & Lisa - Eroica > >Sorry to veer off on this topic, but Eroica is an awesome record. Very >underrated and pretty much forgotten album from Wendy & Lisa. > >If you like this record, you might want to check out Girl Bros. > >http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Ayd90s37ia3vg > >Plus - it's on World Domination records who I think distributed some WMO >releases, so I guess this isn't as off-topic as I thought. (^_^) > >Cheers, >Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:09:36 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] speaking of the clash ... please allow me to whinge for a bit. just had a visit from a former, likewise-terminated reporter of mine who's moving back to his native kentucky after having no luck job-hunting around here (almost certain to be my eventual fate as well, of course, with "arkansas" substituted for "kentucky"). anyway, as i've probably moped before, he's my age & has rather comparable musical tastes, so over the last 2 years i've loaned him a fair number of cd's ... he returned a bunch of them about an hour ago, 2 days before he & his family hit the road. nice to have the mekons' original sin, adverts' singles collection, saints' wild about you 2cd, can't stand the rezillos, 2-tone collection 2cd, go4's 100 flowers bloom 2cd,& radio birdman's under the ashes 2cd , the first nuggets box & the velvets' peel slowly & see box back back in my hands after all these months. *but* ... where's the mekes' rocknroll & oooh? the live clash that came out back in '01 or so? the clash's westway to the world dvd? the cure greatest hits with bonus acoustic disc? slf's all the best 2cd? aaaaagggggh!!!!! i suppose they're all still easily obtained (except perhaps for rocknroll, which last i heard was out of print ... & i haven't paid attention to see whether the 2cd version of the cure's hits was truly a "limited edition" or not -- not that i'm sure just where the money to replace them is supposed to come from -- & yeah i've got all the best on vinyl & a worn-out old cassette of rocknroll, but christ jesus ... let this be a lesson to me, finally & at long last. & if if anyone ever senses i'm even thinking about loaning stuff out (thank god this guy doesn't have a turntable anymore, & for that matter that he evinced no burning interest in wire, else i'd probably be missing behind the curtain, too), please intervene: friends don't let friends loan music. actually, looking further, i think behind the curtain *is* among the missing. that's it. i'm killing myself. now. sayonora ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 18:11:50 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 21/11/2003 21:50:04 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > i've a couple of archival releases (corn years &nada, as well as the 93 > dead sunwheels ep, plus some boxed 12" &/or 10" thing that i believe is > missing a record or booklet or something) &would own more if they'd turn up > cheap &/or used. in particular, the early tracks she said destroy (no > relation, afaik, to the fine electroclash song destroy she said, not that i > can remember who did it) &she's calling are goth anthems par excellence, > worthy of inclusion with factory's early '80s best -- than which, for me, > there isn't much higher praise. > ///////she said destroy and the calling are both on nada , certainly the start point for anyone investigating DIJ. there are loads of compilations featuring similar tracks (corn years is one of these) that seem pointless buying as they ain't cheap either. factory comparison is interesting , they managed to ride out the right wing "flirtations" (is that the right word?) and come credible out of the other side whereas DIJ got indelibly tainted with that aura. pity really as their early stuff is probably a lot better than certain factory acts , but they never had anyone to fight their corner and the media lost any interest. as an aside to jan's mail , tony wakeford was the guy thrown out of DIJ after the first album , i think sol invictus is his solo act but i've given them a miss to be honest. p np yeah yeah noh "brown shirt" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:19:23 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought >as an aside to jan's mail , tony wakeford was the guy thrown out of DIJ after >the first album , i think sol invictus is his solo act but i've given them a >miss to be honest. p wakeford, yeah -- douglas p's (or whatever his name is ... i'd check my copy of the we are all germans & jews 2cd retrospective but i probably loaned it away forever, too, along with god only knows what-all else my mind refuses to acknowledge, not that anything hurts more than behind the curtain, which i *hope* i merely misfiled instead) fellow alumnus of crisis, who of course were rather virulently *anti*nazi. as they say, sometimes the extremes overlap at the end of the political spectrum ... not, i'm pretty sure, that penny rimbaud is likely to have been hobnobbing with bush & blair the past couple of days. dan > >np yeah yeah noh "brown shirt" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:20:53 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought >> Oh dear, I'm not going to see some Nazi, am I? i don't think so ... hasn't the u.s. dictator bush cleared out by now? dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:04:38 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot - opinions sought In a message dated 11/21/03 5:13:22 PM Central Standard Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > as an aside to jan's mail , tony wakeford was the guy thrown out of DIJ > after > the first album , i think sol invictus is his solo act but i've given them a > > miss to be honest. p > > The Tony Wakeford and Steve Stapleton (Nurse With Wound) collaboration: "Revenge of the Selfish Shellfish" is top notch! RL np - Coil "Astral Disaster" vinyl version ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 22:10:48 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) > Olias Of Sunhillow !! > I remember that! By Jon Anderson. God it was horrible. Bloody hell. First you say you say I should be a Culture Club fan, and then you shatter my illusions! You're turning into my very own Mark Chapman, Chris ; ) > But thanks for > reminding me of it.And those other Yes members individual albums.Like Chris Squire's > Fish Out Of Water or something like that.And Steve Howe doing something I have > completely forgotten the name of. Even the drummer had one IIRC!! Ha! Just checked my hardy nme book of rock 2... He did - Ramshackle - which doesn't ring any bells whatsover. And Howe's was called Beginnings. Aren't they on tour? Keith PS Yes' two finest moments? Howe on My White Bicycle and Wakeman on Get It On! 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