From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #346 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, November 20 2003 Volume 06 : Number 346 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #345 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) [P J Kane ] Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Dugga, Son of Wire ["Jack Alberson" ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #345 [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Dugga, Son of Wire ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #345 what about REAL football....who won the premiership in 1968? (or the birth year of your choice) The premiership didn't exist in '68 - it was still called Division 1. Not sure who won that - probably someone like West Bromwich Albion! RezMole Remember 9/11 (73) - 30000 dead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.Y:All time top 500 http://www.rhino.com/rs500/index.lasso Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:29:48 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) << 2 uncuts with the clash tribute discs >> what months/issues were these? are they still available in the States? anyone hav a handy link to a track listing(s)? why can't i think of another annoying question? i mean, just three, really? sheesh! PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:44:07 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) current issues on sale in the uk. sorry but i thought the one i got was mostly shite , with the pete wylie track possibly the nadir of his mostly wretched career. most of the bands are just no-hopers , god knows the criteria used for selection. the one thing it did bring home was how good a band the clash were and how good a singer strummer was , the covers just don't get close (ok keith i concede sparks were probably having a laugh) anybody got the serious drinking album with 12xu/bobby moore on it? an mp3 would be nice................ p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:22:59 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: [idealcopy] Dugga, Son of Wire Hey all, I've been away for a while but I'm back.saw Wire in Atlanta back in 2002 and met the band. My wife and I told Graham Lewis that if we ever had a son we were naming it after him (he wanted us to name him Edvard instead of Graham). I guess it was self-fulfilling prophecy, my wife got pregnant in February and Graham Colin Alberson was born three weeks ago. Anyhow, I've been in touch with Graham and Colin (working on an interview for my site) and it's shaping up to be a really good interview. I'll post some choice bits shortly. Jack L. Alberson Property Administrator CB Richard Ellis First Tennessee Building 165 Madison Avenue Memphis, TN 38103 (901) 521-1748 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 07:25:00 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.Y:All time top 500 Pink Flag at #410. ....and there was much rejoicing. yaaaayyy.... - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Ari Britt Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:29:39 -0800 (PST) >http://www.rhino.com/rs500/index.lasso >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:55:07 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday > none of whom i can recall getting wrist-slapped for sharing their insights > about cricket or non-u.s. football ... That's cos they feature proper sportsmen, Dan. Not men who like wearing crash helmets and Joan Collins shoulder pads whilst jumping on top of each other ; ) (it's ok, I have a similar view on rugby!) Keith v/a - mixbag's moby: new york heroes free cd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:56:03 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday In a message dated 11/20/03 9:50:36 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > > none of whom i can recall getting wrist-slapped for sharing their insights > > about cricket or non-u.s. football ... > > That's cos they feature proper sportsmen, Dan. Not men who like wearing > crash helmets and Joan Collins shoulder pads whilst jumping on top of each > other ; ) > > (it's ok, I have a similar view on rugby!) > > Keith > SHHHHHHHH.....Miles asked us to nip the sports thread in the bud...you're gonna get me into trouble! (because i started it).....anyone ever hear anything more about that Graham Lewis and John Duncan collaboration? or how about the imminent Bruce Gilbert solo album (third part of the trilogy started with Ab Ovo and In Esse)?? AND, does anyone know if the Helvitis Organ Symphony conducted by Bruce will ever be released? (see, i still have it!..i can do it!) np- Miles Davis and Gil Evans "Porgy and Bess" RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:02:01 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday > whoops -- make that the 18 b-sides. not that i own the play b-sides disc, > either ... > > dan > I read there's something like a whopping 40 prev unreleased tracks on this dvd. He's releasing a new Voodoo Child LP next year. I didn't hear the previous one, but the track on the free mixmag cd sounds good in an old-fashioned dancey kind of way. Not sure where Iggy's Nightclubbing comes into the equation on a New Yorked theme cd, mind. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:01:16 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby ..i think he is a twat...but nevermind that, i still have to say that GO! used to rock my world in the speed fueled techno days of the early 90's.... and lordy what a stormer "Thousand" was....great way to end the night... but the man is still a twit and a twat... RL (and yes, i have met him...he went to high school with my ex girlfriend) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:10:51 -0600 From: "Jack Alberson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby I don't honestly mind him so bad. I thought he made relatively good work of that Joy Division cover he did. His newer stuff is mostly watered-down electronics but it's not offensive to the ear (like, say, Dave Matthews). "Subject: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby ..i think he is a twat...but nevermind that, i still have to say that GO! used to rock my world in the speed fueled techno days of the early 90's.... and lordy what a stormer "Thousand" was....great way to end the night... but the man is still a twit and a twat... RL (and yes, i have met him...he went to high school with my ex girlfriend)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:37:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) > current issues on sale in the uk. sorry but i thought the one i got was > mostly shite , with the pete wylie track possibly the nadir of his mostly wretched > career. Doesn't anyone here like Wylie? Better Scream? Seven Minutes to Midnight? Somesay? Remember? Come Back? Sinful? Come on!!! Great singles. And whereas his album's are normally patchy in the extreme, his last one was excellent (in that yelled grandiose manner of his!). > the one thing it did bring home was how good a band the clash were They were the UK Subs with credibility if you ask me ; ) It's funny how they're so revered now. Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that they were considered a bit of a joke over here at the time, with their "Look. There's some barbed wire. Why don't we stop and have our photo taken" image. "Come on, Paul. POUT!" > and how good a singer strummer was COUGH!! > the covers just don't get close (ok keith i concede > sparks were probably having a laugh) Maybe. But give me This Town Ain't Big Enough over White Riot anyday. And Balls before London's Calling for that matter. And now it's Top 10 is in the Rolling Stone list now, I see. Come on chaps. It's got two good tracks. I might have most Clash records myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks their reputation has become a just a tiny wee bit bit over-stated. And don't forget by the time of LC's release, we'd already had 154, Unknown Pleasures, Zoo Records, Second Hand Daylight, Cut, Metal Box, etc, etc, and here was Strummer carefully climbing off the punk bandwagon he'd jumped on a few years before, trying to re-make the equally over-rated Exile on Main Street, but without the redeeming feature that is Tumblin' Dice. I just don't get it... And (like Let It Bleed), Combat Rock is MUCH better!! Keith np Akatombo - trace elements ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:32:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #345 > The premiership didn't exist in '68 - it was still called Division 1. Not > sure who won that - probably someone like West Bromwich Albion! Man City. City fans, and those of us who care not for the red side of manchester had lots of fun reminding United fans during the 70s and 80-s that the last time the championship trophy had resided in Manchester was when City won it in 68. United went from 67-93 without winning the title. Sadly it's been a different story since then :-( Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:43:12 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby > ..i think he is a twat...but nevermind that, i still have to say that GO! > used to rock my world in the speed fueled techno days of the early 90's.... And Move, Everytime You Touch Me, etc. And I still want When It's Cold I'd Like To Die (along with I Love To Boogie!) played at my funeral, which might come round sooner than I'd expected when those angry Clash fans get their grubby hands on me ; ) Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:45:43 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.Y:All time top 500 > >>http://www.rhino.com/rs500/index.lasso > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now<< > > Typically conservative Rolling Stone bollocks, with singer-songwriters to > the fore. > > Pink Flag in at 410. Wa-hey. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:54:09 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.Y:All time top 500 [Apologies to Mark, I'm a muppet and sent this to just him initially by mistake. I blame my cold :/ ] On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 11:45:43AM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > >>http://www.rhino.com/rs500/index.lasso > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now<< > > > > Typically conservative Rolling Stone bollocks, with singer-songwriters to > > the fore. > > > > Pink Flag in at 410. Wa-hey. > > > > Mark It's a terrible, terrible chart, on so many levels. One glaring one is #17, "Nevermind", and In Utero somewhere in the late #400s; also, I didn't see "Surfer Rosa" in the top 50, and that's a shooting offence around these parts. Leaving out Wire, because we're all biased, it's ridiculously poor. "This is Uncool", which I got given last Christmas and Keith A. was talking up last year, was really good: Martin C. Strong's encyclopedias are also worth having. This, however, is a total camel.[1] - - Andrew (and any chart which doesn't contain "Loveless" and "Daydream Nation" in the top 100 isn't worth the bytes used to encode it.) [1] Horse designed by committee; it gives everyone the hump... - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 11:54:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) > >>Doesn't anyone here like Wylie?<< Lovely bloke. Met him several times back in the day and he was genuinely one of the nicest musicians I've come across. > >>Better Scream? Seven Minutes to Midnight? Somesay? << First three singles on Inevitable are superb, all six sides of 'em.... >>Remember? Come Back? > Sinful?<< ...but now the wheels are starting to come off the wagon.... > >>Come on!!! > Great singles. And whereas his album's are normally patchy in the extreme, > his last one was excellent (in that yelled grandiose manner of his!).<< And therein lies the problem. And therein. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:59:33 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby Not too pleased with the latest Voodoo Child 12"... --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > ..i think he is a twat...but nevermind that, i > still have to say that GO! > > used to rock my world in the speed fueled techno > days of the early > 90's.... > > ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:06:03 GMT From: xj23@yahoo.com Subject: [idealcopy] Bush is coming to town Please visit the Our World Our Say website at http://owos.info/bush_visit/bush.php to join a 'Virtual March' on the US Embassy. President Bush is visiting the UK between 19th to 21st November. Join thousands of others and get the message across that he and his warmongering are not welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:18:47 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) In a message dated 20/11/2003 16:34:43 GMT Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Doesn't anyone here like Wylie? > > Better Scream? Seven Minutes to Midnight? Somesay? Remember? Come Back? > Sinful? > > Come on!!! /////nah keith , fraid not. my brother is a huge fan and leant me the double best-of thing so i did try ; first handful of tracks are fine then it gets worse and worse. same very few ideas spread oh so thinly > > Great singles. And whereas his album's are normally patchy in the extreme, > his last one was excellent (in that yelled grandiose manner of his!). /////never heard it , but his tuneless hollering of "stay free" doesn't exactly suggest a guy in fine voice these days > > >the one thing it did bring home was how good a band the clash were > > They were the UK Subs with credibility if you ask me ; ) > > It's funny how they're so revered now. Everyone seems to have conveniently > forgotten that they were considered a bit of a joke over here at the time, > with their "Look. There's some barbed wire. Why don't we stop and have our > photo taken" image. /////i loved them for 2 albums then lost interest. sure there was a comedy aspect to them , but there were some great tunes in there which is why they're on the cover of uncut 25 years later and charlie harper , i fear , may never again be on the cover of anything > > "Come on, Paul. POUT!" ////aw , he couldn't help being so pretty. one of the handful of most photogenic guys ever? still looks sickeningly good now to be honest. i hate him. > > >and how good a singer strummer was > > COUGH!! /////just listening to all those no hopers trying lame covers , i thought none of them got close > > > > Maybe. But give me This Town Ain't Big Enough over White Riot anyday. /////bit of a chalk n cheese choice though........the clash never tried to do anything up that street > > And Balls before London's Calling for that matter. And now it's Top 10 is in > the Rolling Stone list now, I see. ////never rated it but that was the one that got the rawk kids going. so i suppose it worked in those terms > > Come on chaps. It's got two good tracks. //////LC/rudi/hateful/brand new cadillac/train in vain that i can think of. (i don't know one track off Balls btw) > > I might have most Clash records myself, but I'm sure I'm not the only person > who thinks their reputation has become a just a tiny wee bit bit > over-stated. And don't forget by the time of LC's release, we'd already had > 154, Unknown Pleasures, Zoo Records, Second Hand Daylight, Cut, Metal Box, > etc, etc, and here was Strummer carefully climbing off the punk bandwagon > he'd jumped on a few years before, trying to re-make the equally over-rated > Exile on Main Street, but without the redeeming feature that is Tumblin' > Dice. > > I just don't get it... //////those albums you're quoting are all by art school boys (n girls) whereas joe n mick were old rockers. who made some great rock songs. on their own terms i think they were a great act. like you i sure prefer 154 to LC , but i wouldn't slate it > > And (like Let It Bleed), Combat Rock is MUCH better!! /////i just saw it as a blando american rock album. but there you go. must try and hear cut the crap one day to see if its really so bad :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:44:27 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday At 10:47 PM 11/19/2003 -0600, dan bailey wrote: >>yeah..that was a bit "out there" on my part......i was bored and didn't >>really think before i typed....i keep forgetting that theres like 200 >people who >>get that mail..... > >none of whom i can recall getting wrist-slapped for sharing their insights >about cricket or non-u.s. football You're correct, but going forward, I'd like to see less of that too. I've given some thought to ways to make idealcopy an even better list, and I'll be sharing my ideas soon. Also, this thread had the potential to turn into 200 individual off-topic posts about sports. And if my last post was a wrist slap, then it came across much harsher than I meant it to be. >... but don't mind me -- after 2 vet >visits with 2 dogs for 2 different reasons 2 straight days, maybe i'm just >being crotchety. Damn. :-( My best wishes to you and your pets... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:30:44 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) >> "Come on, Paul. POUT!" > > >////aw , he couldn't help being so pretty. one of the handful of most >photogenic guys ever? still looks sickeningly good now to be honest. i hate him. > once upon a time (like, nearly 25 years & alas 150 lbs ago), honest to god, i heard myself compared to paul (simonon, that is, not rabjohn). presumably the reference point was appearance, since i've never touched a bass in my life. of course, within a few years the comparison was to bryan adams; in jr high it had been (god help me) john denver ... in the '80s, i'd swear on a stack of everybody loves a mysteries that i looked like lance d'boyle (no, *not* vi! though maybe these days ...) of the poison girls, assuming i'm identifying him correctly ob the cover & inside sleeve of where's the pleasure. dan, glad not to look like michael jackson ... i see jermaine is trying to play the race card regarding the arrest. pardon me if i sound like a southern cro-magnon, but for me that raises the question -- what race? for that matter, what species? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:54:19 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby glad to see you posting again, jack; i think i'll dig out my heterodyne cd & give it a ceremonious spin to mark the occasion ... how're things in memphis, if you're still there? anything going on with your music? i, of course, am wishing to hell i had the means (mortgages in ark & ala + sporadic freelance income + serious music addiction + vet bills = difficulty changing places) to get back to little rock; am observing one solid year of unemployment here in cthulhuforsaken alabama tomorrow. dan >I don't honestly mind him so bad. I thought he made relatively good >work of that Joy Division cover he did. His newer stuff is mostly >watered-down electronics but it's not offensive to the ear (like, say, >Dave Matthews). > > >"Subject: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby > >..i think he is a twat...but nevermind that, i still have to say that >GO! >used to rock my world in the speed fueled techno days of the early >90's.... > >and lordy what a stormer "Thousand" was....great way to end the night... > >but the man is still a twit and a twat... > >RL >(and yes, i have met him...he went to high school with my ex >girlfriend)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:06:18 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] not that i intend to post ASTEROID! or anything ... but i must say that the news of today's (apparently) british-targeted bombing in turkey makes me long for the equivalent of crass to update how does it feel (to be the mother of 1,000 dead) for the benefits of messrs. blair & bush ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:09:07 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FW: Internet payments virus alert dunno if it's a hoax or not, but i definitely received such an email earlier this week. i neglected to respond because nothing had changed with my paypal account ... one of the credit cards had expired, but i'd erased it in response to a previous such notice last month. dan >Hi Everyone >just passing this on for your information >I don't think it's a hoax > >later >A > > >Internet payments virus alert >(Filed: 19/11/2003) >(from the torygraf) > >Internet shoppers were yesterday warned about a virus which tries to trick >them into revealing their bank details and other personal information. > >The virus takes the form of an email appearing to be from the internet >payment system PayPal. > >It warns consumers that their account is about to expire and asks for a >series of details, including their credit card number, pin and expiry date, >full name, date of birth and social security number. > >MessageLabs, which provides email security systems, said the virus, dubbed >the Mimail email worm, originated in France. > >The worm arrives as an attachment to an email called either InfoUpdate.exe >or www.paypal.com.pif. It spreads by emailing copies of itself to email >addresses from the infected computer. > >The sender appears as Do-Not-Reply@paypal.com and the subject is either >"Important" followed by blank spaces and random characters or "Problems with >your PayPal account". > >MessageLabs warned consumers not to open the email and to be suspicious of >any email asking for personal details. > > >************************************************************************* >The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are >addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any >warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of >this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended >recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that >any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is >strictly prohibited. > >If you have received this e-mail in error please notify >postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the >presence of computer viruses. >************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:27:36 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) i believe they're december, whereas the widdle-michael-stipe (who makes moby, btw, look like jaz coleman) disc accompanies november. if memory serves, you're in atlanta, pj ... from what i've experienced, the british zines make it to borders or criminal records there (& no doubt other places, too) at least a week or 2 before they arrive here, no doubt on the back of mule-drawn carts laden with watermelon. here're the tracklists, taken from www.uncut.net -- Stiff Little Fingers - Strummerville Songdog - Janie Jones Hammell On Trial - White Riot/Hitsville UK Matthew Ryan - Somebody Got Murdered Hawksley Workman - Bankrobber Marc Carroll - London Calling Josh Rouse - Straight To Hell Kealer - Train In Vain Mr David Viner - Should I Stay Or Should I Go? Thea Gilmore - I'm Not Down Jeff Klein - The Guns Of Brixton The Caravans - Know Your Rights Asian Dub Foundation & Zebda - Police On My Back Terry Edwards & The Scapegoats - Version City Edwyn Collins - 1977 The Fiery Furnaces - One More Time Joe Strummer & The Mescaleros - Long Shadow Stiff Little Fingers - Strummerville Jesse Malin - Death Or Glory Billy Bragg & The Neurotics - Garageland Sparks - We Are the Clash Adam Masterson - Gates Of The West Nouvelle Vague - The Guns Of Brixton The National - Clampdown Cracker - White Riot The Waco Brothers - I Fought The Law The Hyperjax - Capital Radio Janie Jones & The Lash - House Of The Ju Ju Queen Tommy Stinson - Hateful Pete Wylie - Stay Free My Red Cell - Career Opportunities The Bandits - The Guns Of Brixton Joy Zipper - Hitsville UK Joe Strummer & The Mascaleros - Long Shadow i'll certainly buy both ... hell, i did the issues with different springsteen discs (which featured by far the best thing i've ever heard by jesse malin, not that i can recall which cover he did). supposedly, something like 8 of the above were done specially for the project (as opposed to previously released), & the mescaleros track may be exclusive, too (i have none of those releases, so couldn't say). for all i know, some of this stuff appeared on that burning london tribute disc a few years ago ... i picked up a used copy back in 2000 or so & have never gotten around to playing it. dan, not overly impressed overall by the artists' song choices ... though thank god no rock the casbah -- never could stand that one, for some reason. sad, too, that someone decided to include a song -- a great one, mind you -- by bobby fuller, not strummer/jones. (& who wrote police on my back? eddy grant?) ><< 2 uncuts with the clash tribute discs >> > >what months/issues were these? are they still available in the States? anyone hav a handy link to a track listing(s)? why can't i think of another annoying question? i mean, just three, really? sheesh! > >PJK > >please don't hate me because i can't type..... >--- >All the cool kids are doing it: >HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:34:19 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dugga, Son of Wire congratulations on the new addition! several of us were at the atlanta show, as it happens -- jason rogers & i for sure. seems to me miles was otherwise obligated, but i could be misremembering. "property administrator"? sounds like you've moved up a bit from cd warehouse ... i gather you're about 15 blocks from the historic old antenna club, site of one of my top shows ever, naked raygun in 3/91 (itself a few blocks down from shangri-la, of course). dan >Hey all, > > > >I've been away for a while but I'm back.saw Wire in Atlanta back in 2002 >and met the band. My wife and I told Graham Lewis that if we ever had a >son we were naming it after him (he wanted us to name him Edvard instead >of Graham). I guess it was self-fulfilling prophecy, my wife got >pregnant in February and Graham Colin Alberson was born three weeks ago. > > > > >Anyhow, I've been in touch with Graham and Colin (working on an >interview for my site) and it's shaping up to be a really good >interview. I'll post some choice bits shortly. > > > >Jack L. Alberson > >Property Administrator > >CB Richard Ellis > >First Tennessee Building > >165 Madison Avenue > >Memphis, TN 38103 > >(901) 521-1748 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:46:08 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday >> none of whom i can recall getting wrist-slapped for sharing their insights >> about cricket or non-u.s. football ... > >That's cos they feature proper sportsmen, Dan. Not men who like wearing >crash helmets and Joan Collins shoulder pads whilst jumping on top of each >other ; ) who was taling about frankie goes to hollywood videos? not me. dan > >(it's ok, I have a similar view on rugby!) > >Keith > >v/a - mixbag's moby: new york heroes free cd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:52:54 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby >..i think he is a twat...but nevermind that, i still have to say that GO! >used to rock my world in the speed fueled techno days of the early 90's.... > >and lordy what a stormer "Thousand" was....great way to end the night... > >but the man is still a twit and a twat... he may well be -- unlke you, i've had no personal contact with him ... but i have a strange feeling any number of artists whom various people (you included, & certainly me as well) like would qualilfy for that status if we had a means to gain insight. just as well we don't, of course. dan > >RL >(and yes, i have met him...he went to high school with my ex girlfriend) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:03:13 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V6 #345 No they did not. They are my football team & I wish they had.However they did the next best thing & won the FA Cup Final beating Everton 1-0 with Jeff Astle (GOD Like figure) to Baggies fans scoring the winning goal. I am not from the West Midlands by the way. Trying to get a ticket for the Albion V Man Utd League Cup Tie in early December. Chris. NP.OCSID - In Between OT. I know I am stupid most of the time & have just justified this by realising OCSID is DISCO spelt backwards ! As our American cousins would say -I'm for the Short Bus ! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:09:27 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) >It's funny how they're so revered now. Everyone seems to have conveniently >forgotten that they were considered a bit of a joke over here at the time, >with their "Look. There's some barbed wire. Why don't we stop and have our >photo taken" image. could that have also been due to some extent to their shameless (especially, i suppose, in light of i'm so bored) pandering to the u.s. market (all the more remarkable when their label famously -- & of course idiotically -- deemed the debut unreleasable over here)? perhaps that as much as anything contributed to the decision to water down london calling ... speaking of which ... >And Balls before London's Calling for that matter. And now it's Top 10 is in >the Rolling Stone list now, I see. > >Come on chaps. It's got two good tracks. perhaps underscoring my speculation about the americanization of that album. i'd say it's one good album -- london calling, hateful, clampdown, spanish bombs, lost in the supermarket, guns of brixton, i'm not down, train in vain, no doubt a couple of others that escape me at the moment -- dragged down considerably by 2 sides of fillers. of course, i've pretty much come to emailed blows with one of my best friends over his insistence that it's one of the best things ever released. of course, while quite punk-savvy, he's too young -- mid-20s -- to remember what an absolutely crushing disappointment lots of us found it at the time ... maybe it *is* an excellent (double-)lp, & i've just never gotten over my initial impression. still & all, it doesn't make my top 500 albums, unlike *tons* of lps that didn't do anything for me the first few listens (the first 3 ramones, pure mania, pornography, 17 seconds, a bell is a cup, manscape, ad almost infinitum). >And (like Let It Bleed), Combat Rock is MUCH better!! not in my household ... same ratio holds true -- london calling is half-filler, leaving one good album, & combat rock is also (at least) half-filler, leaving ... what? ... one good ep? my previously stated aversion to rock the casbah probably hurts the latter album's case, of course. dan, wondering how much of sandinista is filler ... 75 percent? i've never found the time to sit down & listen to it all the way through. > >Keith > >np Akatombo - trace elements ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:12:11 -0500 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday special, birthday Dec, 7 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:12:13 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] speaking of Moby In a message dated 20/11/2003 16:02:29 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > but the man is still a twit and a twat... > > RL > (and yes, i have met him...he went to high school with my ex girlfriend) > He is an American & talks like he is calm & collected but all the while he is full of contradictions.Just like his music.He allegedly covers Whole Lotta Love by Zeppelin in his set with mammoth guitar solo. WTF ! Chris NP. The Dandy Warhols - You Were The Last High (I Like It Anyway ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:12:50 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby >And I still want When It's Cold I'd Like To Die (along with I Love To >Boogie!) while i'm in my manic rockabilly phase (werly fairburn, come on down!), i really need to dig up the (if memory serves) webb pierce song (teenage boogie?) that bolan apparently ripped off for that one. speaking of whom, just got a notice from cduniverse about a new remastered version of dandy in the underworld ... dan played at my funeral, which might come round sooner than I'd >expected when those angry Clash fans get their grubby hands on me ; ) > >Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:18:51 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] O.Y:All time top 500 >It's a terrible, terrible chart, on so many levels. One glaring one is >#17, "Nevermind", and In Utero somewhere in the late #400s; both surely belong somewhere in the top 100 ... also, I >didn't see "Surfer Rosa" in the top 50, and that's a shooting offence >around these parts. sounds about right, with doolittle deserving high rank as well (i haven't seen the list in question myself), with trompe le monde awhile later ... Leaving out Wire, because we're all biased, it's >ridiculously poor. inarguable -- everything through the first letter, imho (with only ideal copy -- sorry! but no doubt this'll grow on me someday, just as a bell is a cup & manscape finally did -- & ibtaba being perhaps borderline). >- Andrew (and any chart which doesn't contain "Loveless" and > "Daydream Nation" in the top 100 isn't worth the bytes used to encode it.) then of course i won't (not that i would anyway, actually) type mine up ... they'd both appear somewhere around the bottom reaches of my top 500 (i rate sister & jet set far above daydream nation, fwiw). dan > >[1] Horse designed by committee; it gives everyone the hump... > >-- >email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ >Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ >DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ >"The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:27:27 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) >> "Come on, Paul. POUT!" > > >////aw , he couldn't help being so pretty. one of the handful of most >photogenic guys ever? still looks sickeningly good now to be honest. i hate him. \yeah, but he's pretty much bald now, isn't he? not that there's anything wrong with that, i should add for the benefit of my follically challenged brethren. >> >and how good a singer strummer was >> >> COUGH!! have to agree -- joe's voice was perfectly suited to the clash's best stuff, though mick's made for an interesting occasional change. > >/////just listening to all those no hopers trying lame covers , i thought >none of them got close > >> >> >> Come on chaps. It's got two good tracks. > >//////LC/rudi/hateful/brand new cadillac/train in vain that i can think of. >(i don't know one track off Balls btw) forgot rudy can't fail & omitted brand new cadillac only because it was a cover ... *definitely* the makings of a top-notch single album. >> And (like Let It Bleed), Combat Rock is MUCH better!! > > >/////i just saw it as a blando american rock album. but there you go. ditto, but of course it broke them over here. which is probably just was required to do so. > >must try and hear cut the crap one day to see if its really so bad :-) p haven't had the heart myself, but this is england is a helluva 12". somewhere i *think* i've got a non-final-mix of the lp ... supposed to be much better than the finished product. dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:29:41 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Uncut(s) In a message dated 21/11/2003 00:11:19 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > dan, wondering how much of sandinista is filler ... 75 percent? i've never > found the time to sit down &listen to it all the way through. > Dan I was going to mention Sandanista.Certainly one side is filler & I'm probably being kind.Today it would probably be worse if it was released as a double CD ! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:32:01 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby In a message dated 21/11/2003 00:14:04 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > speaking of whom, just got a notice from cduniverse about a new remastered > version of dandy in the underworld ... > > dan > Oh God Dan What have you done now.That will start Keith A off . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:37:04 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: speaking of Moby >In a message dated 21/11/2003 00:14:04 GMT Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> speaking of whom, just got a notice from cduniverse about a new remastered >> version of dandy in the underworld ... >> >> dan >> > >Oh God Dan > What have you done now.That will start Keith A off . no doubt, but at least it'll be mostly about music. well, & fashion ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:41:14 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] special, birthday >And if my last post was a wrist slap, then it came across much harsher than I meant it to be. now, now ... according to stereotype, some of our british (&/or catholic-schoolboy) brethren rather like that sort of thing. > >>... but don't mind me -- after 2 vet >>visits with 2 dogs for 2 different reasons 2 straight days, maybe i'm just >>being crotchety. > >Damn. :-( My best wishes to you and your pets... much thanks. it's been, shall we say, a challenging couple of weeks ... first my backache, then my bad cold-cum-walking pneumonia & finally a 2-day flareup of crohn's disease, interspersed with the one-day disappearance of my 11-year-old black lab (he went missing while i was in the tub taking a hot bath to try to ease my spinal agony ... when i went out to fill his water bowl, i found it had been filled & moved several feet, as had his wading pool, & he was gone, even though my gate was still clasped). turned up, thankfully, at the humane shelter -- as perhaps the largest black lab in captivity he wasn't hard for me to describe over the phone (i got him this summer after his elderly owner around the corner died) -- but a couple of days after that he developed a dry, hollow cough that made me suspect he might've contracted kennel cough, so now i'm giving him 2 antiotic capsules twice a day after a trip to the vet's tuesday. then yesterday, after my blind, mostly deaf 15-year-old shih tzu persisted in urinating not only on the floor but also on the bed & even on *his* bed, i surmised that he might have developed a urinary tract infection. looks like i was right, with a $95 bottle of antibiotic tablets to show for it. me? well, during my own ordeals i bought ... let's see ... a bottle of store-brand expectorant. god forbid i give money for medicine to a doctor that treats humans, not animals. dan > >later, > >Miles ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #346 *******************************