From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #338 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, November 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] My Robot Friend [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) [RL] Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] My Robot Friend ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] an interesting evening at the Fylkingen ["Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > first song i remember, i'm pretty sure, is rolf harris' tie me kangaroo down > sport. hmmm ... With me it was one of Elvis' songs - can't think which one. My father was/is a great fan, much to my mother's dislike as she was/is more into sophisticated jazz. Imagine the first song you remember to be some intricate Charlie Parker bebop! 8-P Bart (Parker also did What-Is-This-Thing-Called-Love, so... almost ontopic) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:44:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell In a message dated 11/11/03 3:20:50 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > Hey, last time you wrote Buttfuck was in Idaho ;-) -Bart > Mr. Van Damme...i must insist that you stop blurting out in class! and for your information: there is a Buttfuck in every state in the USA...some are harder to find than others.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:46:00 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: [idealcopy] My Robot Friend I was granted permission to list a My Robot Friend track on my site this week. http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ Enjoy! Cheers, Billy ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:43:12 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) Got to disagree here - Climate of Hunter has been firmly lodged in the Knight Top Ten for nigh on 20 years now. I love its lush, luxurious mystery - an album that instantly transports me to its world. Tilt is spikier - but wonderful too. It's approaching a tragedy that Scott won't produce more regularly. That box set looks wonderful and I may well be joining Tim in putting it on the Xmas list, if only because I don't have Climate on CD (it had disappeared before I overcame my aversion to repurchasing stuff I already had on vinyl). Disc 4 looks sublime - Nite Flights, The Electrician, Dealer, Track 3, Sleepwalkers Woman, Track 5, Farmer in the City and The Cockfighter has to be the best sequence of any album released this year. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: 11 November 2003 11:13 To: tim@kidsindestructible.com; keith.astbury10@virgin.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) > >>I was talking to a mate of mine about the new John Cale LP and he > compared it to > 'Tilt' and played me a few tracks which I really liked.<< Tilt is fantastic - quite unlike anything else. Climate of Hunter, however, is much harder to love. Mark> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:45:44 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: reunions I enjoyed the nostalgia programmes aired about 6 or 7 years ago - Sounds of the 60s etc, maybe) which just had live footage from performers of the era. But all those talking heads reminiscing about popular culture... blaargh. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 11 November 2003 13:18 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > It doesn't surprise me one bit that the list treats these things with > disdain (as, indeed, do I). I don't! I enjoyed the 70's & 80's ones. I just thought the 90's was pushing it a bit so soon after. When you get to our age young man, you might want to indulge in a spot of reminiscing yerself ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:47:44 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? Yes, he does remind me of old Terence now you come to mention it Ian - similar build and moves. Just bought Hey Ya on single - bang goes the week. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: ian s jackson [mailto:iansjackson@hotmail.com] and Outkast's >utterly wonderful Hey Ya, which is not something I expected to enjoy but >which hooked me within 20 seconds of first hearing it. I fear I'm going >to end up buying the Outkast album on the strength of this and I'm not >convinced I'll enjoy it, but this is a long way from hip hop, more like >Prince's prime period. oh yeah...!!! this is great...!!! strangely repetetive and catchy as hell...!!! is he doing a Terence Trent D'Arby in the vid d'ya think Keith...??? there was an Outkast single from a year or two ago (my kids bought it...) that i really got into...'All Around The World'...??? i think i might just be buying the album too...!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:52:40 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Mind the gaps I borrowed it from the library a few months back but only got a short way in - I cope best with Sinclair's style in short bursts so I really need my own copy to give me time to read it. But I really like him as a writer and got through the whole of his previous book Lights Out for the Territory, even though it took me three years. This looks very similar - - dense, poetic prose about London's margins and his mates, many of whom are fortunately interesting, wrapped up in a concentrated splenetic (or fond) series of essays. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 11 November 2003 17:46 To: wire-news Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mind the gaps Thnx Fergus... a lovely little read that was. "Playing the Gaps..." almost shamanic innit? I'll go and check if it's in the shops here. (that is, if the rest is interesting too... is it?) Cheers/Bart > Currently trawling through Iain Sinclair's epic > 'London Orbital'(now out in much more affordable > paperback), and came across this section: > > "South. Under the arch of a brick bridge: REPUBLIC > NOW. > There is no way of accurately recalling Renchi's > monologue (even from notes taken at the time). The > recorder is of course unused. Cameras can log, sketch, > record graffiti, make clumsy portraits. Sound is an > element. Like the canal, the motorway. We don't have > the skill, the eavesdropping genius of composer/artist > Bruce Gilbert (once of Wire). Bruce skulks in pub > corners, on station platforms, at obscure locations, > sampling; gathering material to construct a sound > field. He is an X-ray of Gene Hackman in Coppola's > 'The Conversation'. From units of sound, you can make > a world, re-edit the past. Put it in a loop. Bruce > long ago cracked the thing we were still struggling > with: he learnt how to 'play the gaps'." > > Fergus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:54:54 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) In a message dated 11/11/03 1:44:41 PM Central Standard Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > Got to disagree here - Climate of Hunter has been firmly lodged in the > Knight Top Ten for nigh on 20 years now. I love its lush, luxurious > mystery - an album that instantly transports me to its world. Tilt is > spikier - but wonderful too. It's approaching a tragedy that Scott > won't produce more regularly. > > i have to agree...i drove myself nuts trying to obtain "Climate of Hunter" after hearing "The Dealer" on David Toop's "Crooning on Venus" compilation... i tend to be a sucker for people with really distinct or odd voices..i.e. David Sylvian..Graham Lewis...Van Morrison..Tim Buckley...etc. etc.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:02:29 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell In a message dated 11/11/03 5:21:08 AM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > >Hey, last time you wrote Buttfuck was in Idaho ;-) -Bart > > There's a Buttfuck in each midwestern state ;-) > > Mark > watch it.....don't insinuate that my beloved midwest is the only area that has "buttfuck" towns....they are everywhere...even in New York and Cali Robert The Provincial (sounds like a good Viking name) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:50:15 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? Is that on MTV or MTV2? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > In Europe the only worthwhile show remains 120 Minutes, shown twice a week > > in the middle of the night. Set yr video. > > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 22:56:27 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim > Scott Walker definitely occupies his own bit of Wirespace I think. (Purveyor > of icy, European coolness, Uncompromising attitude, reluctance to revive > the past, aged well!) > Tilt is in fact a fine album if rather hard work in one sitting; plus he sounds a bit like Graham Lewis :-) Hard to comprehend that Tilt is now 8 years old. He ain't exactly prolific. I'm tempted by the Cale album, but wasn't exactly bowled over by the offerings on 'Later' the other week - nice enough 'n' all, but... On the subject of Later, did anybody else have to peer from behind their hands at Lenny Henry's recent appearance? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:00 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My Robot Friend In a message dated 11/11/03 12:47:18 PM Central Standard Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: > I was granted permission to list a My Robot Friend > track on my site this week. > http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ > > Enjoy! > > Cheers, > Billy > > > > good stuff! cheers to you Billy.. np - Boomkat - Boomkatalog.one RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:25:33 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? can live with it...!! > > and Outkast's > >utterly wonderful Hey Ya, which is not something I expected to enjoy but > >which hooked me within 20 seconds of first hearing it. I fear I'm going > >to end up buying the Outkast album on the strength of this and I'm not > >convinced I'll enjoy it, but this is a long way from hip hop, more like > >Prince's prime period. > > oh yeah...!!! this is great...!!! strangely repetetive and catchy as > hell...!!! is he doing a Terence Trent D'Arby in the vid I think it sounds like Cameo covering a Pixies tune. (this is a good thing of course) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:35:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? In a message dated 11/11/03 5:31:18 PM Central Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > I think it sounds like Cameo covering a Pixies tune. (this is a good thing > of course) > Cameo! yeeeeees!...one of the great underrated new wave-funk bands...everyone was so enamored with Prince (and rightfully so!) that people missed a lot of other quirky bands.... Cameo's list of jams is great..."She's Strange".."Talkin' Out the Side of Your Neck".."Candy".... oWWWWHhh RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:08:14 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Hallelujah! since there seems to be tons of chattering on the ol' IC lately (which is great!)..i couldn't resist in shouting my jubilation at finding the ultra rare Edgar Froese (ex-Tangerine Dream ...no sniggering Bart!) cd; "Ypsilon in Malaysian Pale" for $6.99 today! glad i was off for the holiday (Veteran's Day) or i wouldn't have been shopping... i have searched for this damn thing for years....when i find it (usually ebay) it goes for astronomical prices..usually $75.00 and up.... i think Froese may have recorded this album around the same time as Phaedra...so essentially just after the brilliant experimental phase of Electronic Meditation/Alpha Centauri/Zeit/Atem and then they were signed to Virgin and had Virgin money behind them...armed with new equipment and the latest in Moogs and Mellotrons they started recording on the legendary Phaedra...so this album was Froese's dry run sort of... i am so excited...sorry to be a bore (i really just wanted to get Bart started) RL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:11:48 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] John Foxx and the Human League! ( 4 U uk folks!) this is fantastic! too bad Foxx didn't open for them here in the U.S.....damn! scoff all you want to, but The Human League put on a damn fine show when i saw them! John Foxx and Louis Gordon to support The Human League... John and Louis are set to support The Human League on each date of their forthcoming UK tour. Below are the full details... Monday the 1st of December, 2003 Nottingham - Rock City Address : 8 Talbot Street, Nottingham NG1 5GG Phone : (Enquiries) 0115 941 2544, (Box Office) 0115 958 8484 Web : http://www.rock-city.co.uk/ Tuesday the 2nd of December, 2003 Wolverhampton - Civic Hall Address : North Street, Wolverhampton WV1 1RQ Phone : (Enquiries) 01902 552122, (Box Office) 01902 552121 Web : http://www.wolvescivic.co.uk/ Wednesday the 3rd of December, 2003 Basingstoke - The Anvil Address : Churchill Way, Basingstoke RG21 7QR Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 01256 844244 Web : http://www.theanvil.org.uk/ Friday the 5th of December, 2003 Liverpool - Academy Address : 160 Mount Pleasant, Liverpool L69 7BR Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 0151 794 6868 Web : http://www.liverpoolacademy.co.uk/ Saturday the 6th of December, 2003 Grimsby - Auditorium Address : Cromwell Road, Grimsby DN31 2BH Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 01472 311311 Web : http://www.cclive.co.uk/grimsbyaud/ Sunday the 7th of December, 2003 Glasgow - Barrowlands Address : 244 Gallowgate, Glasgow G4 0TS Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 0141 552 4601 Web : http://www.glasgow-barrowland.com/ Tuesday the 9th of December, 2003 Sheffield - City Hall Address : Barkers Pool, Sheffield S1 2JA Phone : (Enquiries) 0114 223 3740, (Box Office) 0114 278 9789 Web : http://www.sheffieldcityhall.com/ Wednesday the 10th of December, 2003 Norwich - Union House Address : University of East Anglia, Norwich NR4 7TJ Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 01603 508 050 Web : https://secure.ueaticketbookings.co.uk/ Thursday the 11th of December, 2003 Cambridge - Corn Exchange Address : Wheeler Street, Cambridge CB2 3QB Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 01223 357 851 Web : http://www.cornex.co.uk/ Friday the 12th of December, 2003 Croydon - Fairfield Hall Address : Park Lane, Croydon CR9 1DG Phone : (Enquiries) 020 8681 0821, (Box Office) 020 8688 9291 Web : http://www.fairfield.co.uk/ Sunday the 14th of December, 2003 Bristol - Carling Academy Address : Frogmore Street, Bristol BS1 5NA Phone : (Enquiries) 0117 927 9227, (Box Office) 0870 771 2000 Web : http://www.bristol-academy.co.uk/ Monday the 15th of December, 2003 Watford - Colosseum Address : Rickmansworth Road, Watford WD17 3JN Phone : (Enquiries) 01923 445 000, (Box Office) 0870 220 1923 Web : http://www.watford-colosseum.com/ Wednesday the 17th of December, 2003 Manchester - Apollo Address : Ardwick Green, Manchester Phone : (Enquiries / Box Office) 0870 991 3913 Web : http://www.alive.co.uk/apollo/ Thursday the 18th of December, 2003 London - Shepherds Bush Empire Address : Shepherds Bush Green, London W12 8TT Phone : (Enquiries) 0905 020 3999 / (Box Office) 0870 771 2000 Web : http://www.shepherds-bush-empire.co.uk/ Friday the 19th of December, 2003 Brighton - Dome Address : 29 New Road, Brighton BN1 1UG Phone : (Enquiries) 01273 700 747, (Box Office) 01273 709 709 Web : http://www.brighton-dome.org.uk/ ***** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:27:48 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions about all i can address is newspapers. over here, unless one goes to a hotshot school like harvard or columbia & parlay a journalism degree from said institution into a job at a sizable paper (at little rock -- daily circulation 180,000, sundays 280,000 -- we were the first employer for a number of people from ivy league & comparable schools ... without the bill clinton connection they probably wouldn't have considered us, though the other side of the equation is that our elitist executive editor drooled over their likes), one is likely to start out at a small(ish) paper. montgomery's circulation is around 50,000. i'd say about half the people there started out at a smaller paper, & about half started out there. me, i started at the tiny (2,500 circulation) daily in my college town because someone on the staff of 4 (not counting the postman-cum-sports-editor ... shades of mayberry rfd!) happened to be leaving when i got out, & my internship there the previous summer had demonstrated i was reasonably competent. i'm proud to say i've taken only one journalism class in my life, the summer after i'd already edited the college paper for 2 semesters. dan, who would also love to be paid to write about music ... or baseball ... or the paranormal ... or science fiction ... or horror movies ... or true crime ... or radical history ... ad almost infinitum >All this talk about journalism is making me wonder how the hell people get >*into* that field. It's something I've vaguely considered (parlaying my >science degrees into scientific journalism / journal editing). This is >way offtopic (quelle surprise). > >- Andrew (would actually love to be paid to write about music, but like >*that* would happen :) ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:32:17 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] My Robot Friend having no sound-generating capability with my computer these days, i'll have to go dig out my copy of the badd inc compilation with their "i know what women want" on it. offhand, the only tracks i remember off it are w.i.t's "ooh, i like it" & prance's "contraversy." dan >In a message dated 11/11/03 12:47:18 PM Central Standard Time, xj23@yahoo.com >writes: > >> I was granted permission to list a My Robot Friend >> track on my site this week. >> http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Cheers, >> Billy >> >> >> >> > >good stuff! cheers to you Billy.. >np - Boomkat - Boomkatalog.one > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:09:56 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] an interesting evening at the Fylkingen My Swedish is not more what it was ;-) but on the 20th of december is Ocsid performing at the Fylkingen Stockholm amongst others like... you can read for yourself. LVR 20/12, KL 19.00 VIBRADISC RELEASE MODULATIONS. Experimentellt firande med gdster! Mycket bas, Babalon Bar, upplevelser och en slags ljudstafett... En ny release fren Firework Edition Records: Vibradisc av Ingrid Engares. Medverkande: Cotton Ferox (Tibert/Abrahamsson), Ocsid (Huhta/Lewis/Hausswolff), Benny Nilsen, Lars Ekerlund, Johannes Bergmark, Sebastian Tesch och Agnieszka Lewalski, Guds Svner (Elggren/Tankred) och installation av UV (Cedrins/ Lindstrvm) "Dog is God spelled backwards". Konsert startar 20.00. Entri 40 kr. Mer info:www.fireworkeditionrecords.com ARR: Ingrid Engares, FER och vdnner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:01:53 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Re: MyRobotFriend Thanks Billy for posting this link! Great work involved developing the videos, which I'm curious if you may know if the animation or music was laid out first, together on a storyboard, or ? Creating these doesn't look all that contrived, provided one is within the artistic ability or in part of a group. Great way of getting on the map; wish I could make time and had a "real' computer to animate even a series of still pictures to a soundtrack. Oooh, to be twenty and have a portfolio of these as a resume ... ... or a cat of nine lives, voyteck From: xj23@yahoo.com (Monochromatic Man) Date: Tue, Nov 11, 2003, 6:46pm (CST+6) To: idealcopy@smoe.org, thefirstcut@yahoogroups.com Subject: [idealcopy] My Robot Friend I was granted permission to list a My Robot Friend track on my site this week. http://home.earthlink.net/~xj23/ Enjoy! Cheers, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:44:41 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hallelujah! In a message dated 12/11/2003 00:09:11 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > i think Froese may have recorded this album around the same time as > Phaedra...so essentially just after the brilliant experimental phase of > Electronic > Meditation/Alpha Centauri/Zeit/Atem and then they were signed to Virgin and > had > Virgin money behind them...armed with new equipment and the latest in Moogs > and > Mellotrons they started recording on the legendary Phaedra...so this album > was > Froese's dry run sort of... > > i am so excited...sorry to be a bore (i really just wanted to get Bart > started) > > Not that I ever gloat about correcting people but I bought all these LP's at the time Robert & you have the sequence a little wrong. If Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield saved the Virgin label from extinction & began Richard Branson's meteoric rise as an entrepreneur, then Phaedra gave it the cash to keep it going through it's infancy. Edgar Froese recorded Aqua first I believe - with the artificial head system developed by Gunther Brunschen.Then Epsilon In Malaysian Pale followed.What a pretentious album title by the way! I want the CD too Robert but as you say it's a tad expensive on E-Bay. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:07:09 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) > i tend to be a sucker for people with really distinct or odd voices..i.e. > David Sylvian..Graham Lewis...Van Morrison..Tim Buckley...etc. etc.. Eminem? -Bart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:33:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > I enjoyed the nostalgia programmes aired about 6 or 7 years ago - Sounds > of the 60s etc, maybe) which just had live footage from performers of > the era. But all those talking heads reminiscing about popular > culture... blaargh. > > Another the Keith Yeah, but at least we got to see Ray Dorset and Raleigh choppers on the telly. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #338 *******************************