From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #337 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 11 2003 Volume 06 : Number 337 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell ["Keith Astbury" <] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire DVDs etc ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) [Ma] Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re re ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] Small ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re re ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re re [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Work [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] Mind the gaps [Fergus Kelly ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? ["ian s jackson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:49:32 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > dan, voted "boy who changed the most" And that was meant as a good thing? Don't think highschool reunions are a dutch thing really... at least, I've never been to one (you, Jan?) I must say I AM curious about some people from my class. Bart (received an i'net-link the other day where I was supposed to find highschool photo's of me and my class, but of course it was a hoax and all I found was a picture of a really ugly chimp) PS: "Our" generation seems to quite sensitive to nostalgia - if you take a look at all those "I-love-the-70's/80's/90's" programs made by 30- and 40-something tv producers. I know it's big in the UK and Holland - also in the US? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:21:52 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell > Sigur Ros smeared across everything from Panorama to Wife Swap (I'm > guessing here, natch, as I've never watched the latter, honest). You really must. Best programme on the box at the moment. It might be naff TV, but it's naff TV of the highest order! "Carol! CAROL! Where's my porridge?" K. np Joy Division - Preston 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:28:10 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? > > >>Whatever's become of MTV &VH1 programing, seemingly now an adolescent > > handbook of brainwash &corporate homogenized marketing aimed at a 13 > > year old's pimples. << > > > > In Europe the only worthwhile show remains 120 Minutes, shown twice a week > > in the middle of the night. Set yr video. > > > > Mark I watch The Amp mainly (or just flick through the channels repeatedly). I was really disappointed with the music channels when I eventually got Sky (for the cricket WC!), but The Amp has softened the blow. Q channel is shite, sadly. Keith NP. Preston. The last bus to Burnley has just left... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:34:01 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions >> dan, voted "boy who changed the most" > >And that was meant as a good thing? considering that in high school i probably would've been voted "boy-most-likely-to-pull-a-columbine-22-years-before-the-actual-event," probably so. it was all that weird music i was listening to back in '76-'77, of course -- sparks & bob marley, mainly, i guess, punk not having yet crossed my bow. (that didn't happen till 3/78.) >PS: "Our" generation seems to quite sensitive to nostalgia - if you take a >look at all those "I-love-the-70's/80's/90's" programs made by 30- and >40-something tv producers. I know it's big in the UK and Holland - also in >the US? very much so. vh1 is showing its 2nd round of i-love-the-'80s programs. after which no doubt will come a 2nd round of i-love-the-'70s. not sure when they'll get around to the '90s ... dan, ambivalent (having been 10 when the decade ended) about the '60s ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:49:06 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > vh1 is showing its 2nd round of i-love-the-'80s programs. > after which no doubt will come a 2nd round of i-love-the-'70s. not sure when > they'll get around to the '90s ... They already have over here. It felt too close to now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:45:09 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a tragedy >> it's not that i abominate slllllooooowwwww songs per se -- i'm quite fond >of >> the sun ain't gonna shine anymore, for instance > >You're talking my language now, Dan. Awesome single. > >I love those big ballads. The Walker Bros albums are a bit pot luck, you get >a great song (and vocal performance) like The Sun..., walker bros? who? elitist! i'll have you know that for 3 or so decades the only version of "the sun" iiiii owned was on a 45 (b/w lemons & limes) by the fuzzy bunnies, on decca. was included in a 5-(or 10?)-for-a-dollar plastic bag of cutout 7"s sold at pharmacies & such for $1 ... mine also included a lemon pipers, a sir douglas quintet, a couple of bubblegum singles on buddha, a rodger collins, a jay & the techniques, & the grassroots' midnight confessions, mislabeled as it's for you by abc-dunhill labelmates 3 dog night. (not until i heard it on an oldies station around '83 did i know who actually did the song & what it was called. this trauma no doubt explains a great deal about me, though i'm not sure exactly what.) dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:54:12 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire DVDs etc >But please understand that bands simply cannot reissue what they want, when >they want. The label that paid for the recording in the first place wants its >pound of flesh. That's why a lot of obscure bands that were signed to majors >(eg Scars, Modern Eon etc) can't get stuff reissued by labels like LTM - the >major labels want too much for the licencing fee, so the project doesn't make >financial sense. noticed on ltm's site a couple of weeks ago that plans call for a scars release on either ltm or boutique ... dunno if the label (virgin? right now a backache incurred by the high-risk activity last night of bending over to pick up a cd has me creeping around contortedly like john merrick, so i'm not about to crawl into the front room to check author! author! & see) suffered a sudden attack of good sense, or the band somehow obtained the rights to its old stuff, or the disc will consist of previously unissued material not owned by the label ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:12:20 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions >> vh1 is showing its 2nd round of i-love-the-'80s programs. >> after which no doubt will come a 2nd round of i-love-the-'70s. not sure >> when they'll get around to the '90s ... > They already have over here. It felt too close to now. Swear I've seen it aired for the 3rd time now! Bet they're working on an "I love 2000" as we speak... er... mail. There've been look-a-like shows about 50' & 60's here as well. That last was interesting for me as my very first memories are from that period. Some items were not at all (or quite different) as I remembered. Goes to show how crummy (or how creative) the brain works really. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:12:47 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) > >>I was talking to a mate of mine about the new John Cale LP and he > compared it to > 'Tilt' and played me a few tracks which I really liked.<< Tilt is fantastic - quite unlike anything else. Climate of Hunter, however, is much harder to love. Mark> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:20:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell > Hey, last time you wrote Buttfuck was in Idaho ;-) -Bart There's a Buttfuck in each midwestern state ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:22:05 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions There've been look-a-like shows about >50' & 60's here as well. That last was interesting for me as my very first >memories are from that period. Some items were not at all (or quite >different) as I remembered. Goes to show how crummy (or how creative) the >brain works really. not sure we've had '50s & '60s equivalents over here ... probably so, but if so they aired during the '90s, i guess, when i was without cable. not sure when my earliest memories were, but i do recall the weekend after jfk's assassination, because saturday a.m. cartoons were cancelled. first song i remember, i'm pretty sure, is rolf harris' tie me kangaroo down sport. hmmm ... dan >Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:23:17 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell >> Hey, last time you wrote Buttfuck was in Idaho ;-) -Bart > >There's a Buttfuck in each midwestern state ;-) > >Mark & there's a mindfuck in every newspaper newsroom ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:26:37 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? > >>The last bus to Burnley has just left...<< I was there. And the guy who organised the bus to Burnley is a mate of mine. We met in entirely different, and highly unlikely circumstances many years later and it was very odd to find this shared experience! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:30:15 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > very much so. vh1 is showing its 2nd round of i-love-the-'80s programs. > after which no doubt will come a 2nd round of i-love-the-'70s. not sure when > they'll get around to the '90s ... > We're already there. I kid you not, I channel surfed through "I love 1999" the other day. Same old cast of media whores and F-list "celebrities" getting misty-eyed about Who wants to be a millionaire or the first Atomic Kitten single, or some f*cking video game. Comne the glorious day, comrades, they'll be first up against the wall. Coming soon - "I love Tuesday November 4, 2003" Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:35:27 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 06:30:15AM -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > > Coming soon - "I love Tuesday November 4, 2003" Could have been a lot worse, actually; still, not exactly a vintage day. :) In all seriousness, this faux-nostalgia seems to be something which really irritates Wire; why else would they spend so much effort in alternately ignoring and subverting their own past? It doesn't surprise me one bit that the list treats these things with disdain (as, indeed, do I). - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:39:21 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire DVDs etc > >>noticed on ltm's site a couple of weeks ago that plans call for a scars > release on either ltm or boutique ... dunno if the label (virgin? right now > a backache incurred by the high-risk activity last night of bending over to > pick up a cd has me creeping around contortedly like john merrick, so i'm > not about to crawl into the front room to check author! author! &see) > suffered a sudden attack of good sense, or the band somehow obtained the > rights to its old stuff, or the disc will consist of previously unissued > material not owned by the label ...<< Nothing on there at the moment. It was on Pre, and now it's owned by Virgin, or whoever now owns Virgin. There are 2 peel sessions and some very good early demos in existence - you could make an album out of those plus Adultery/Horrorshow. But the other singles were all on Pre. Last I heard it was out of the question because of exhorbitant licence fee charges - such that the band would have had to sue the label for restraint of business. Unlikley. However situations change as people change jobs - perhaps someone at Virgin feels it's better to get #1,000 for some old tapes that are sitting doing nothing rather than hanging out for #20k, or a chance appearance of "All about you" in a 80s-nostalgia Hollywood blockbuster. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:42:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell > &there's a mindfuck in every newspaper newsroom ... And a lot of fuckwits! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:47:07 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell > &there's a mindfuck in every newspaper newsroom ... And a lot of fuckwits! Mark Thanks all, he writes from a newsroom... Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:11:57 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell >> &there's a mindfuck in every newspaper newsroom ... > >And a lot of fuckwits! > >Mark > >Thanks all, he writes from a newsroom... > >Bruno rest assured that i write from bitter (if jaundiced, considering my current state of unemployment) experience after a year as a metro editor, 11 as an assistant editor and 5 or 6 years as a reporter (mostly courts) ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:32:10 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Re re rest assured that i write from bitter (if jaundiced, considering my current state of unemployment) experience after a year as a metro editor, 11 as an assistant editor and 5 or 6 years as a reporter (mostly courts) ... dan No worries... You were a sub on the Metro in London? I know they tried to poach someone from here when it was being set up but weren't offering enough to make it worth his while. Someone was bemoaning the skills shortage in London on Radio 4 this morning... Seems obvious to the rest of us - if an employer won't pay enough for someone to be able to live within 80 miles of London then you won't attract people from the regions. PS Re the back - mine's playing up in sympathy! ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:36:50 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re re nowhere close ... i was using "metro editor" in the generic sense. my editing posts were in little rock, arkansas, & montgomery, alabama. am free-lancing these days (even as i type, actually) for the philadelphia business journal, where a former reporter of mine is projects editor. another former reporter of mine will be in birmingham (alabama) friday promoting her new book, "sex in the south." i would say i taught her everything she knows, but ... dan >rest assured that i write from bitter (if jaundiced, considering my current >state of unemployment) experience after a year as a metro editor, 11 as an >assistant editor and 5 or 6 years as a reporter (mostly courts) ... > >dan > >No worries... You were a sub on the Metro in London? I know they tried to >poach someone from here when it was being set up but weren't offering enough >to make it worth his while. > >Someone was bemoaning the skills shortage in London on Radio 4 this >morning... Seems obvious to the rest of us - if an employer won't pay enough >for someone to be able to live within 80 miles of London then you won't >attract people from the regions. > >PS Re the back - mine's playing up in sympathy! > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:43:58 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > Highschool reunions? No, I've never done that and I don't really care I > suppose. And I love 70-80-90? Unfortunately they show the wrong things in my > opinion. Example the 80's. I don't see anything about Neue Welle, New World > Music Interests, that explosion of "independent" bands from Brittain or the > interests again in old middle-age classic music, like Paert, Gorecki etc. > Commercial minded only for the mass made programms like I love 70-80-90 etc. > are showing probably only commercial only for the mass made memories. > > In that old arcadian garden called memory everything of youth is shaped into > acceptables, even despite the confrontations. Yes I took my Wim Kayzers > books from the shelf. > > Jan J > > > > dan, voted "boy who changed the most" > > > > And that was meant as a good thing? > > > > Don't think highschool reunions are a dutch thing really... at least, I've > > never been to one (you, Jan?) I must say I AM curious about some people > from > > my class. > > > > Bart (received an i'net-link the other day where I was supposed to find > > highschool photo's of me and my class, but of course it was a hoax and all > I > > found was a picture of a really ugly chimp) > > > > PS: "Our" generation seems to quite sensitive to nostalgia - if you take a > > look at all those "I-love-the-70's/80's/90's" programs made by 30- and > > 40-something tv producers. I know it's big in the UK and Holland - also in > > the US? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:57:25 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Small nowhere close ... i was using "metro editor" in the generic sense. my editing posts were in little rock, arkansas, & montgomery, alabama. am free-lancing these days (even as i type, actually) for the philadelphia business journal, where a former reporter of mine is projects editor. another former reporter of mine will be in birmingham (alabama) friday promoting her new book, "sex in the south." i would say i taught her everything she knows, but ... dan It's a small world.. Birmingham is Spaghetti Junction (ie motorway chaos) to me while there's a tiny village near Bath, sometimes on my journey home, called Pennsylvania! Good luck with the freelancing - it's very hard to make enough money at that in the UK unless you're within spitting distance of London to make it worth giving up a staff job. Last time I did a six-hour shift there I was paid 100 GB pounds which, after tax and travel, left about 50 pounds profit... Oh yes, it was a round trip of nearly six hours to do it!!! It would be a better deal if we could edit by internet - should be perfectly possible but it's almost unheard of in the UK. Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:18:01 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > It doesn't surprise me one bit that the list treats these things with > disdain (as, indeed, do I). I don't! I enjoyed the 70's & 80's ones. I just thought the 90's was pushing it a bit so soon after. When you get to our age young man, you might want to indulge in a spot of reminiscing yerself ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:23:08 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) > Tilt is fantastic - quite unlike anything else. Climate of Hunter, however, > is much harder to love. > > Mark> Whereas the first four are simply essential. And you never know - another six years and there might be another... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:18:13 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 01:18:01PM -0000, Keith Astbury wrote: > > It doesn't surprise me one bit that the list treats these things with > > disdain (as, indeed, do I). > > I don't! > > I enjoyed the 70's & 80's ones. I just thought the 90's was pushing it a bit > so soon after. > > When you get to our age young man, you might want to indulge in a spot of > reminiscing yerself ; ) Possibly, but I'm quite clearly prematurely decrepit in any case. All this talk about journalism is making me wonder how the hell people get *into* that field. It's something I've vaguely considered (parlaying my science degrees into scientific journalism / journal editing). This is way offtopic (quelle surprise). - - Andrew (would actually love to be paid to write about music, but like *that* would happen :) ) - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:00 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Small > Good luck with the freelancing - it's very hard to make enough money at that > in the UK unless you're within spitting distance of London to make it worth > giving up a staff job. Why is living close to London an advantage. Shouldn't this be just the perfect job to be done using email and/or i'net? I know I do designing DVD-sleeves/booklets for a company in the UK (too large to email - I use regular mail or courier)... and I live in the Netherlands. Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:13:56 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > Highschool reunions? No, I've never done that and I don't really care I > suppose. And I love 70-80-90? Unfortunately they show the wrong things in my > opinion. Example the 80's. I don't see anything about Neue Welle, New World > Music Interests, that explosion of "independent" bands from Brittain or the > interests again in old middle-age classic music, like Paert, Gorecki etc. > Commercial minded only for the mass made programms like I love 70-80-90 etc. > are showing probably only commercial only for the mass made memories. Well, these programs are about the things that bind us and though programs about Part & Gorecki are (very) interesting, they hardly define the cultural zeitgeist in a way that most can relate to. Would be nice though to see a spoof "I love the..." e.g. just for science professors or policemen... > In that old arcadian garden called memory everything of youth is shaped into > acceptables, even despite the confrontations. Yes I took my Wim Kayzers > books from the shelf. Books too? All his television programs weren't enough for ya? ;-) BTW, wasn't that Arcadian thing Ben Okri's? I remember he kept going on about it. >> It doesn't surprise me one bit that the list treats these things with >> disdain (as, indeed, do I). > I don't! > > I enjoyed the 70's & 80's ones. I just thought the 90's was pushing it a bit > so soon after. > > When you get to our age young man, you might want to indulge in a spot of > reminiscing yerself ; ) Got to agree with ol' Keith here... > - Andrew (would actually love to be paid to write about music, but like > *that* would happen :) ) This indeed won't just happen - you have to MAKE it happen! -(uncle) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:22:57 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 03:13:56PM +0100, Bart van Damme wrote: > > > - Andrew (would actually love to be paid to write about music, but like > > *that* would happen :) ) > > This indeed won't just happen - you have to MAKE it happen! -(uncle) Bart Well, apart from my complete lack of talent, anyone got any hints? :) (Offlist might well be best, as this has sod all to do with Wire, and I apologise for boring people.) - - Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ (10pm Fri) http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:26:29 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: FW: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote > Mr. Van Damme!!!!! i would appreciate it if you would stop cutting and > pasting pictures of Mr. Astbury's head on to hideously deformed creatures and > humans! > that is rude and unkind! "Hideously deformed creatures"? That one was just a plain un-retouched Keith-photo Robert!!! BTW, what could be worse than leather trousers & pink boa? ;-) -Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:50:38 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote > > Mr. Van Damme!!!!! i would appreciate it if you would stop cutting and > > pasting pictures of Mr. Astbury's head on to hideously deformed creatures and > > humans! > that is rude and unkind! > > "Hideously deformed creatures"? That one was just a plain un-retouched > Keith-photo Robert!!! Sadly that is true. Why do you think I spend so much time on the computer ; ) > > BTW, what could be worse than leather trousers & pink boa? ;-) -Bart Me when I've taken off my leather trousers & pink boa... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:32:12 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Work All this talk about journalism is making me wonder how the hell people get *into* that field. It's something I've vaguely considered (parlaying my science degrees into scientific journalism / journal editing). This is way offtopic (quelle surprise). - - Andrew (would actually love to be paid to write about music, but like *that* would happen :) ) Andrew - I have a cousin who uses his legal knowledge to edit legal journals and butter-up experts into submitting articles. For quite a while he worked for a Dutch firm with offices in London/Bristol but I think he's changed camp now. I imagine the best way to get into scientific work in this field is to pester magazines/journals that you already read - it helps to be aware of the sort of material they carry and their style of presentation (he says, pompously). Music writing? Tricky - so many people want to have a go you'll be up against real competition. It's also a market that flucuates a lot depending on people's disposable cash. But, as Bart says, nothing happens if you don't give it a go! Bart - Why is being near London an advantage? Well, it's where a lot of publications (read 'money') are... It's all about stringing enough work together really (that's why freelance reporters used to be called Stringers, I suppose). A guy I used to work with spends five or six days a month editing a Buddhism magazine. That's his interest but isn't enough to live on but it gave him the base to look for other work to fit around that. He moved to London and now works mainly for the London Evening Standard, plus a 5pm-3am shift on Saturday night/Sunday morning for a national which pays well. I can pick a little freelance cycling writing, and other bits and pieces, but it won't pay enough to be worth giving up the staff job for... With a divorce still costing me, a new mortgage, holidays (past and present to pay for, my dad lives in Amsterdam so I go as often as I can) there has to be a bit of cash coming in! Bruno ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:49:37 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions > In all seriousness, this faux-nostalgia seems to be something which really > irritates Wire; why else would they spend so much effort in alternately > ignoring and subverting their own past? However they DO remember making the body search... -B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:06:02 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote >> "Hideously deformed creatures"? That one was just a plain un-retouched >> Keith-photo Robert!!! > Sadly that is true. Why do you think I spend so much time on the computer ; ) NOW see what you've done Robert! You apologize young man! Aw c'mon Keith, you're as handsome as the rest of us Keith! (...) Sorry! Sorry! That didn't come out right... But there's a thought... a Mr. Ideal Copy Contest!!! The winner would be announced at the next larger Wire gig... beats Chapman aerobics anytime! >> BTW, what could be worse than leather trousers & pink boa? ;-) -Bart > Me when I've taken off my leather trousers & pink boa... Aaaargh I'm blind! Wonder if I'll be able to erase that from my mind's eye... ;-) -Bart (must keep photoshopping...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:44:37 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions >>Bart Some items were not at all (or quite >>different) as I remembered. Goes to show how crummy (or how creative) the >>brain works really. >>dan: >not sure when my earliest memories were, but i do recall the weekend after >jfk's assassination, because saturday a.m. cartoons were cancelled. /////////////////////////// mine are of the latter day Apollo moon landing s and Spacelab on our huge (well it seemed huga at the time) B&W Zenith. Must explain my kraftwerk inclinations. eric in toronto ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:49:16 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions >- Andrew >In all seriousness, this faux-nostalgia seems to be something which really >irritates Wire; why else would they spend so much effort in alternately >ignoring and subverting their own past? Goes to why they likely don't have a DVD eric in toronto ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:53:12 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re re - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "dan bailey" >where a former reporter of mine is projects editor. > >another former reporter /.//////////////////// perhaps a former airline correspondent for Reuters? i'll get me coat..... eric in toronto ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:52:13 +0000 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re re On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:53:12AM -0800, Eric Klaver wrote: > > perhaps a former airline correspondent for Reuters? > > i'll get me coat..... Surely "We're sorry to tell..." - - Andrew, flagging, and not in the pink - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ (10pm Fri) http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: reunions On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, dan bailey wrote: > very much so. vh1 is showing its 2nd round of i-love-the-'80s programs. > after which no doubt will come a 2nd round of i-love-the-'70s. not sure > when they'll get around to the '90s ... I was just thinking the other day that almost ten years ago, Rhino started putting out their "80's" compilation series Just Can't Get Enough, which still holds up (to my ears). I think 90s nostalgia has been *longer* in coming than 80s, largely because -- as far as I can tell in retrospect -- the cultural 80s started in the late 70s, while the 90s began with "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in late 1991. The canonization of nostalgia tends to be an unpleasant thing, but still, I won't complain when I start hearing Beck's "Loser" in truck stops. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:25:34 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Work > Bart - Why is being near London an advantage? Well, it's where a lot of > publications (read 'money') are... It's all about stringing enough work > together really (that's why freelance reporters used to be called Stringers, > I suppose). I understand, but was wondering if jobs like editors, translators or correctors couldn't just as easily be done via email/i'net. Perhaps this depends what kind of media it is, daily/weekly/monthly? Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Mind the gaps Currently trawling through Iain Sinclair's epic 'London Orbital'(now out in much more affordable paperback), and came across this section: "South. Under the arch of a brick bridge: REPUBLIC NOW. There is no way of accurately recalling Renchi's monologue (even from notes taken at the time). The recorder is of course unused. Cameras can log, sketch, record graffiti, make clumsy portraits. Sound is an element. Like the canal, the motorway. We don't have the skill, the eavesdropping genius of composer/artist Bruce Gilbert (once of Wire). Bruce skulks in pub corners, on station platforms, at obscure locations, sampling; gathering material to construct a sound field. He is an X-ray of Gene Hackman in Coppola's 'The Conversation'. From units of sound, you can make a world, re-edit the past. Put it in a loop. Bruce long ago cracked the thing we were still struggling with: he learnt how to 'play the gaps'." Fergus __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:31:25 +0000 From: "ian s jackson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? >From: "Keith Knight" - - REM's Bad Day (which I've raved about here before), this is bad for a fairly big REM fan, but i've not heard it yet..!!! Stipe on BBC Breakfast telly this morning was a bit of a shock...(plugging the 'Best Of...' CD of course, which i dont see selling all that well, to be honest..!!!) >new Kylie single (which eminds me of Justify My Love and is pretty near as >good) only heard once but...yeah...i can live with it...!! and Outkast's >utterly wonderful Hey Ya, which is not something I expected to enjoy but >which hooked me within 20 seconds of first hearing it. I fear I'm going >to end up buying the Outkast album on the strength of this and I'm not >convinced I'll enjoy it, but this is a long way from hip hop, more like >Prince's prime period. oh yeah...!!! this is great...!!! strangely repetetive and catchy as hell...!!! is he doing a Terence Trent D'Arby in the vid d'ya think Keith...??? there was an Outkast single from a year or two ago (my kids bought it...) that i really got into...'All Around The World'...??? i think i might just be buying the album too...!!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:46:06 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mind the gaps Thnx Fergus... a lovely little read that was. "Playing the Gaps..." almost shamanic innit? I'll go and check if it's in the shops here. (that is, if the rest is interesting too... is it?) Cheers/Bart > Currently trawling through Iain Sinclair's epic > 'London Orbital'(now out in much more affordable > paperback), and came across this section: > > "South. Under the arch of a brick bridge: REPUBLIC > NOW. > There is no way of accurately recalling Renchi's > monologue (even from notes taken at the time). The > recorder is of course unused. Cameras can log, sketch, > record graffiti, make clumsy portraits. Sound is an > element. Like the canal, the motorway. We don't have > the skill, the eavesdropping genius of composer/artist > Bruce Gilbert (once of Wire). Bruce skulks in pub > corners, on station platforms, at obscure locations, > sampling; gathering material to construct a sound > field. He is an X-ray of Gene Hackman in Coppola's > 'The Conversation'. From units of sound, you can make > a world, re-edit the past. Put it in a loop. Bruce > long ago cracked the thing we were still struggling > with: he learnt how to 'play the gaps'." > > Fergus ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #337 *******************************