From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #335 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 11 2003 Volume 06 : Number 335 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] from mute bank ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Day-oh! ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] Day-oh! ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote [Ed Special ] [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright [voyteck@webtv.net] Re: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright [RLynn9@aol.com] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] OT: reunions [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] OT: Re: channel Z [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] Devizes ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" ] [idealcopy] OT: reunions ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:23:09 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from mute bank > Top of my Christmas list, along with the Scott Walker box set. Is there much prev unreleased stuff on this? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:59:19 EST From: VltCrumble@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] re: my name etc. thanks for the replies etc. to make things easier I will henceforth go by my full name of Robert Jazz on here. I have a friend that always seems to call me by this full name as though it were one name perhaps with a hypen, since that's always something I wanted that we just don't see enough off these days lol Sorry if I tend to keep harping this - I promise it's for the last time. I can agree that I'd rather see an effort on new Wire material since it's been so strong, and leaving a dvd up to someone else would be fine but it's still no excuse - I know of a performer that is pretty high profile that has managed to release his own dvd, a box set of multiple unreleased work, and at least 1 - 4 cds of great original work per year in the last couple of years. ok so maybe it's easier to get things done when your a solo artist instead of a band - the old too many cooks syndrome - does anyone know if the Wire members work day jobs in addition to Wire?? If this were the case I'd feel for them - if not and their daily adventures are that of the working artist - it could be squeezed in between new efforts, but as i said before there's no reason it has to be a strictly retro dvd either - could be half and half or strike a deal with aquiring this compilation tape that was already put together, work out some dvd menus etc. and there you have it. I would like to commend this list for the friendly helpful nature of it's subscribers - I pretty much got off most of my other lists due to rudeness, way too much off topic chit chat nonsense and barely disguised spam. The Fall list - while a fantastic band that is well-deserving of conversation, had to be among the worst I've ever experienced for all of the above. Some of the nastiest and most unhelpful setiments you could recieve, folks jumping down your neck and sadly, so little to do with the Fall. be well, Robert-Jazz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:14:46 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Day-oh! Shouldn't think so! These are quality artistes we're talking about here - can't see them soiling their hands with a bit of plumbing or freelance quantity surveying... Mind you Robert does/did have an organic farm so I imagine that takes up a few daylight hours... Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: VltCrumble@aol.com [mailto:VltCrumble@aol.com] Does anyone know if the Wire members work day jobs in addition to Wire?? ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:34:58 -0800 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Day-oh! Here's the gossip: I'm not sure what Bruce and Graham are up to nowadays but I imagine that it's along the lines of artistic collaboration and production (or perhaps RnB03 ;-) ). Robert still has his farm when I spoke with him after the gig in Toronto a year ago. At the time he seemed to be a bit concerned about all the work that needed to get done (harvest approaching). He only came back to Wire because he could drum. He has little interest in electronic simulcra. Colin, of cause, has ~swim which is probably, IMO, the dirtest any of them get when it comes to being a Record Co. Mr. Suit. Eric in Toronto If any on the list know better than this please post and set the record straight. - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:14:46 -0000 >Shouldn't think so! These are quality artistes we're talking about here - >can't see them soiling their hands with a bit of plumbing or freelance >quantity surveying... Mind you Robert does/did have an organic farm so I >imagine that takes up a few daylight hours... > >Bruno > >-----Original Message----- >From: VltCrumble@aol.com [mailto:VltCrumble@aol.com] >Does anyone know if the Wire >members work day jobs in addition to Wire?? > > >********************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and >intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they >are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify >the system manager. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by >MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > >www.mimesweeper.com >********************************************************************** > ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:36:46 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Day-oh! Have a feeling Robert's farm is in Wales... Wonder if he's anywhere near Robert Plant (not that he farms) who, I think, lives in Monmouthshire (formerly Gwent, formerly Monmouthshire)? Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Klaver [mailto:eklaver@elysium-sl.com] Sent: 10 November 2003 15:35 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org'; Clements, Bruno - BUP Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Day-oh! Here's the gossip: I'm not sure what Bruce and Graham are up to nowadays but I imagine that it's along the lines of artistic collaboration and production (or perhaps RnB03 ;-) ). Robert still has his farm when I spoke with him after the gig in Toronto a year ago. At the time he seemed to be a bit concerned about all the work that needed to get done (harvest approaching). He only came back to Wire because he could drum. He has little interest in electronic simulcra. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:04:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote >I would like to commend this list for the friendly helpful nature of it's subscribers -< (actually Robert we're a load of bastards,we've just been pulling the wool over your eyes} >I pretty much got off most of my other lists due to rudeness,< (You just missed our 'rude boy'he was thrown off the list a couple of weeks or so ago) >way too much off topic chit chat nonsense < (Here too,but we (for the most part) enjoy that aspect of the list) >and barely disguised spam. The Fall list - while a fantastic band that is well-deserving of conversation, had to be among the worst I've ever experienced for all of the above. Some of the nastiest and most unhelpful setiments you could recieve, folks jumping down your neck and sadly, so little to do with the Fall.< (was Graeme Rowland on the Fall list?) .Ari Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:13:44 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote In a message dated 11/10/03 10:06:34 AM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Some > of the nastiest and most unhelpful setiments you could recieve, folks > jumping > down your neck and sadly, so little to do with the Fall.< > (was Graeme Rowland on the Fall list?) > .Ari i don't know, but i'd be willing to bet the farm that he was on the Killing Joke list ! "ASTE- oh nevermind... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:26:13 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote > "ASTE- > RL Oh goody, a quiz!! ... "RIX"? -Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:42:20 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote In a message dated 11/10/03 10:35:29 AM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > > "ASTE- > > > RL > > Oh goody, a quiz!! ... "RIX"? -Bart > incorrect Bart...now please sit down and give one of the other children a chance... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:45:20 -0500 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Bart van Damme wrote: >> "ASTE- > >> RL > > Oh goody, a quiz!! ... "RIX"? -Bart A STEROID? Ed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:49:57 -0500 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 11:26 AM, Bart van Damme wrote: >> "ASTE- > >> RL > > Oh goody, a quiz!! ... "RIX"? -Bart ASTE LA VISTA BABY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:57:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote In a message dated 11/10/03 10:47:50 AM Central Standard Time, edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > A STEROID? > > Ed correct Ed....now tell me, have you been keeping up with your speech therapy classes?....i hope so.. Mr. Astbury, could i please see you after class...we need to talk about those leather trousers...i don't think they're appropriate ....nor is the electric pink feather boa... Mr. Laish !!!!! WHAT are you smoking!?? Mr. Van Damme!!!!! i would appreciate it if you would stop cutting and pasting pictures of Mr. Astbury's head on to hideously deformed creatures and humans! that is rude and unkind! Mr. Robinson!!! please stop shooting spit wads at Mr. Rowland!!! Mr. Rowland!!! stop scribbling "Killing Joke" and "Asteroid!" all over your notebook and pay attention! class dismissed! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:03:48 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? Robert-Jazz writes: "Sorry if I tend to keep harping this - I promise it's for the last time. I can agree that I'd rather see an effort on new Wire material since it's been so strong, and leaving a dvd up to someone else would be fine but it's still no excuse -" In my opinion, DVDs/Videos found at local record stores (even Blockbuster's rentals) offer something MTV & VH1 don't: music videos. Whatever's become of MTV & VH1 programing, seemingly now an adolescent handbook of brainwash & corporate homogenized marketing aimed at a 13 year old's pimples. I guess the demand & tv ratings make them money, as kids live vicariously through tv charactors (at least this keeps a percentage of kids off the streets & out of trouble). So, to see a Wire, The Fall, The Cure, British Sea Power, The Residents, or Plastic Bertrand music video on tv, MTV / VH1 (or another entity) could (should) play these for otherwise IQs. And heck, if tv ratings is the game, how about intergrating any mentioned IdealCopy list artists as background soundtrack or dissolve/fade to "flashback" / "flashfoward" as part of a tv program's script. Whatever the diverse group of people involved would have their identity or situation reflected with background music; even better to highlight with script cues (dreams, daydreams, something said or seen, etc.) to dissolve to the artist's complete original video. Perhaps call this video vehicle "the surreal world". Hey, it's just a thought on how to air some lost classics and recent friendly play within the "tv game" sawdust we're feed. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em & beat 'em! Oh - oh; just realized viewers may live vicariously through actors who live vicariously through (sometimes) vicarious music! Wire's "Mannequin" an absolute must on debut! With regards to "Big Brother's" 1984 effects & couch potatoes, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:10:14 -0500 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Day-oh! totally off subject , but you did ask , robert plant lives in a very small village half way between kidderminster and bridgnorth (just up the road from me)and very much in england i might add. regularly seen in local hostelries....seems like a pretty down to earth guy. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:24:17 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? In a message dated 11/10/03 11:19:55 AM Central Standard Time, voyteck@webtv.net writes: > I guess the demand & tv ratings make them money, as > kids live vicariously through tv charactors (at least this keeps a > percentage of kids off the streets & out of trouble). i think kids need to be out on the streets and into trouble...it's a learning process and it keeps them from getting fat and lazy.. kids need to be out more! put down the tv remote and the video games and get outside! RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:39:58 -0500 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 11:57 AM, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/10/03 10:47:50 AM Central Standard Time, > edspecial@digitalrealm.net writes: > >> A STEROID? >> >> Ed > > correct Ed....now tell me, have you been keeping up with your speech > therapy > classes? My speeth feraphy ith comig long juth fine. > ....i hope so.. > > > Mr. Astbury, could i please see you after class...we need to talk > about those > leather trousers...i don't think they're appropriate ....nor is the > electric > pink feather boa... > > Mr. Laish !!!!! WHAT are you smoking!?? > > Mr. Van Damme!!!!! i would appreciate it if you would stop cutting and > pasting pictures of Mr. Astbury's head on to hideously deformed > creatures and humans! > that is rude and unkind! > > Mr. Robinson!!! please stop shooting spit wads at Mr. Rowland!!! > > > Mr. Rowland!!! stop scribbling "Killing Joke" and "Asteroid!" all over > your > notebook and pay attention! > > class dismissed! > > RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:30:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire DVDs etc > >>ok so maybe it's easier to get things done when your a solo artist > instead of > a band - the old too many cooks syndrome - << > > It's easier for some artists to get reissues/box sets/DVDs etc into the market than for > others. Depends on who owns the rights to publish the material. And usually > that's not the band. > > Wire's back catalogue was partly owned by EMI (70s material) and partly by > Mute (80s material). Wire-EMI relations have been frosty over the years - EMI > dropped Wire in 1980 when it wouldn't agree to how Wire wanted to proceed, > resulting in Wire's 5-yr hiatus from 80-85. EMI bought Mute last year, bringing all the back catalogue under common ownership. Mute has continued under EMI ownership, and the fact that it's issuing the likes of Can, Cabaret Voltaire etc can only be a good sign. So I'd say there was now a likelihood of Mute/EMI addressing Wire's back catalogue properly - with DVDs, live albums, even box sets. There's plenty of stuff available, even counting the now-deleted WMO releases like Turns & Strokes and Coatings, which were only on time-limited licences and pressed in relatively small quantities. Wire are obviously anxious not to cloud sales of new material with archive releases - so expect reissues to come during Wire downtime... But please understand that bands simply cannot reissue what they want, when they want. The label that paid for the recording in the first place wants its pound of flesh. That's why a lot of obscure bands that were signed to majors (eg Scars, Modern Eon etc) can't get stuff reissued by labels like LTM - the major labels want too much for the licencing fee, so the project doesn't make financial sense. That's also why the Factory bands like Section 25 and Crispy Ambulance, for example, found it easy to get stuff out - when Factory folded, the rights to the material reverted to the artists. >>does anyone know if the Wire members work day jobs in addition to Wire??<< Colin runs ~swim and Posteverything - "managing director" no less ;-) Rob's farm is a going concern - it's in Leicestershire. Bruce & Graham are artists! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:30:28 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Day-oh! Yeah, Mr P's OK. Only time I've seen him he was playing a warm-up gig in a Bristol pub. Still got a great voice. - -----Original Message----- From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com [mailto:PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Sent: 10 November 2003 17:10 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Day-oh! totally off subject , but you did ask , robert plant lives in a very small village half way between kidderminster and bridgnorth (just up the road from me)and very much in england i might add. regularly seen in local hostelries....seems like a pretty down to earth guy. p ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:37:02 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright In a message dated 11/10/03 11:19:55 AM Central Standard Time, voyteck@webtv.net writes: I guess the demand & tv ratings make them money, as kids live vicariously through tv characters (at least this keeps a percentage of kids off the streets & out of trouble). Robert Lynn replied: i think kids need to be out on the streets and into trouble...it's a learning process and it keeps them from getting fat and lazy.. kids need to be out more! put down the tv remote and the video games and get outside! RL Odd thing is I see more kids overall congregating at fast food outlets / theatres than at soccer, football, baseball, etc fields. Who's encouraging this? That's it in a nutshell; more blather below: I'll agree here that in every age has it's era, and whatever era we find ourselves in now, kids have their place. After all, it's their world now (or soon will be, as they will someday be pushing the same "buttons" their parents, grandparents, etc pushed ... similar buttons anyway). As kids on the streets going through the school of hard knocks, well, hopefully they don't end up messed up -for life-. Anyone whose drive & determination for their goal in life started in youth, well fortuitous for them. I'm still a street urchin at heart, and it's all my fault that I pissed on the merit's of school and thought the social "buzz" was more important ... late night partying. So, time has been proved to me that self discipline & focus will take a person farther in pursuits than scaterbrained social substance abuse networks. Most of my youth's circle have faired OK, as generally we're working grunts, 2/3 with families to support. Outer circles / friends of friends, I occasionally hear of death, disease, jail, McJobs, & marital despair ... well, thinking about marriages, many have failed only to try again (must be the 'every age has it's era' thing with partners). The kids from the block, the same with the occasional doctor, lawyer, car salesman, gas / water works, a couple of cops, a fireman, THREE lottery winners (where are they now? files), as well as death & jail. Can't you just wait for your own class reunion ... the real & plastic hierarchy ? Regards, Voyteck NP: Alice Cooper School's Out 18 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:35:44 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright In a message dated 11/10/03 2:20:56 PM Central Standard Time, voyteck@webtv.net writes: > Can't you just wait for your own class reunion ... the real & plastic > hierarchy ? > Regards, > Voyteck i went to my 10 year re-union and got piss drunk and finally admitted to my head principal that i slept with his daughter our senior year......he had me thrown out of course.....not that i really care mind you...i thought he and everyone else in my highschool were a bunch of snobby pricks... good times.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:10:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright RLynn9@aol.com wrote: i went to my 10 year re-union and got piss drunk and finally admitted to my head principal that i slept with his daughter our senior year......he had me thrown out of course.....not that i really care mind you...i thought he and everyone else in my highschool were a bunch of snobby pricks... good times.. RL You mean you..erm....you've DONE IT? (what's it like).....Ari Python Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:18:54 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright In a message dated 11/10/03 3:15:20 PM Central Standard Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > You mean you..erm....you've DONE IT? (what's it like).....Ari Python with a name like "Python", surely you have too? ; P RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:24:35 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: the kids are alright > i went to my 10 year re-union and got piss drunk and finally admitted to my > head principal that i slept with his daughter our senior year......he had me > thrown out of course.....not that i really care mind you...i thought he and > everyone else in my highschool were a bunch of snobby pricks... > > good times.. > RL Reading a really good novel - July July by Tim O'Brien - at the moment that concerns a school re-union (class of '69). Not read anything by him before but am seriously impressed so far... K. np Julian Cope - autogeddon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire Video/CDROM Uri is correct. Now that I'm no longer a student, I don't have access to the wonderful A/V labs, not to mention the bandwidth. In fact, I'm a little surprised that the Wire Page still exists. I graduated 1.5 years ago, but my account has not yet been disabled. All of the material has been transfered to Craig's excellent www.wireviews.com. Andrew - --- Uri Baran wrote: > Apparently the second generation ntsc is not available anymore... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:14 PM > Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Video/CDROM > > > > (from: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~qwerty/wire/bottom.html ) > > > > The Unofficial Video > > Did you miss "Eardrum Buzz" on MTV's 120 Minutes? Have you ever > wanted > > to see the legendary Rockpalast show? ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:48:19 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell I feel this reply is going to be of interest to two of us max, but I first recall incidental music on news programmes being used during Nationwide, so probably in the late 70s. For a while in fact it used better music than any alleged music programme at the time - the producer was obviously a bit of a buff. Now of course one hears the likes of Sigur Ros smeared across everything from Panorama to Wife Swap (I'm guessing here, natch, as I've never watched the latter, honest). The only time I've been impressed in the last couple of years re incidental music on TV was watching Soccer AM on Sky Sports (which I don't normally do as I don't have the channel and these days don't tend to wake up in unexpected houses with Sky Sports) a few years ago and they played the first Strokes single before it came out, over some goal footage. I bet they're playing The Fiery Furnaces these days. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ian B Incidental music on news programmes! When did that start creeping in? Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:51:55 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Why a Can dvd but no Wire?? here's why... Well, the Can gig I saw at Bristol Colston Hall in 74 or so was about half full, so I'm not sure they ever sold out 10,000 seat venues here. Another the Keith (OK, I'm really only posting this so I can bask in the reflected glory of having seen Can live, but they were bloody wonderful and that DVD is going to be a must-have) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Nice little article about Can in yesterdays Guide. "Can are present in the DNA of everyone from the Happy Mondays and Mogwai to DFA". Said they were popular to sell out 10,000 seat arena's and that Spoon was a number one in Germany. Not sure Wire could equal that ; ) K. NP V/A - Starman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:00:52 -0000 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? I spent an inordinate amount of time over the last three days watching the Q Music channel. It only has about 40 videos on rotation, some of them by bands you never want to see again (System of a Down, 50 cent, Dido) but there are three great songs currently being aired - REM's Bad Day (which I've raved about here before), the new Kylie single (which reminds me of Justify My Love and is pretty near as good) and Outkast's utterly wonderful Hey Ya, which is not something I expected to enjoy but which hooked me within 20 seconds of first hearing it. I fear I'm going to end up buying the Outkast album on the strength of this and I'm not convinced I'll enjoy it, but this is a long way from hip hop, more like Prince's prime period. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of voyteck@webtv.net . Whatever's become of MTV & VH1 programing, seemingly now an adolescent handbook of brainwash & corporate homogenized marketing aimed at a 13 year old's pimples. voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:10:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Casualties increase as the enemy shell > >>I feel this reply is going to be of interest to two of us max, but I > first recall incidental music on news programmes being used during > Nationwide, so probably in the late 70s. For a while in fact it used > better music than any alleged music programme at the time - the producer > was obviously a bit of a buff. Now of course one hears the likes of > Sigur Ros smeared across everything from Panorama to Wife Swap (I'm > guessing here, natch, as I've never watched the latter, honest). << Recent spots have included Magazine's 'Song from under the floorboards' as a trailer for some BBC drama, and a recent documentary about some Italian fashionista (Armani I think) which was soundtracked completely using the first Neu! album. > >>The only time I've been impressed in the last couple of years re > incidental music on TV was watching Soccer AM on Sky Sports (which I > don't normally do as I don't have the channel and these days don't tend > to wake up in unexpected houses with Sky Sports) a few years ago and > they played the first Strokes single before it came out, over some goal > footage. I bet they're playing The Fiery Furnaces these days.<< > > Soccer AM tries very hard to be Rock'n'Roll, including the usual presence of > some indie band on the sofa. Which is fine if they actually know something > about football. This is unlikley if they're from Buttfuck, Iowa, or New > Zealand. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:38:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire videos ... where? > >>Whatever's become of MTV &VH1 programing, seemingly now an adolescent > handbook of brainwash &corporate homogenized marketing aimed at a 13 > year old's pimples. << > > In Europe the only worthwhile show remains 120 Minutes, shown twice a week > in the middle of the night. Set yr video. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:42:08 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] Clear a Wirespace 4 Scott Walker (was from mute bank) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "Tim" ; Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] from mute bank > > Top of my Christmas list, along with the Scott Walker box set. > > Is there much prev unreleased stuff on this? > I'm no expert but I suspect more "Hard to find" rather than Unreleased. Here is the tracklist: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000EWNXS/ref=sr_aps_music_1_1/202-0478529-4066268 However, I've not got much Scott stuff and it looks like quite an interesting way for me to hear more as its a selection of 5 themed CDs selected with his co-operation. It got roundly slagged in Record Collector....they didn't like the way tracks from Scott 1-4 were mixed with the more recent stuff, but I think an Idealcopyist like me can handle the darker corners of his output. I was talking to a mate of mine about the new John Cale LP and he compared it to 'Tilt' and played me a few tracks which I really liked. Scott Walker definitely occupies his own bit of Wirespace I think. (Purveyor of icy, European coolness, Uncompromising attitude, reluctance to revive the past, aged well!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:10:31 -0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Robert-Jazz wrote > > Mr. Robinson!!! please stop shooting spit wads at Mr. Rowland!!! Sorry Sir................Rowland hasn't been in school for two weeks. I think he's been expelled for being a miserable bastard with no sense of humour Sir. I think his dad is going to send him to Faust Grammar School instead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:49:52 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: reunions Robert Lynn wrote in reply: Subject: Re: OT: the kids are alright In a message dated 11/10/03 2:20:56 PM Central Standard Time, voyteck@webtv.net writes: Can't you just wait for your own class reunion ... the real & plastic hierarchy? Regards, Voyteck i went to my 10 year re-union and got piss drunk and finally admitted to my head principal that i slept with his daughter our senior year......he had me thrown out of course.....not that i really care mind you...i thought he and everyone else in my highschool were a bunch of snobby pricks... good times.. RL Snobby pricks? I had those as well as a-holes whom I heard are living out their lives in prison for murders. Both ends of the spectrum / hierarchy as I recall; professionals & entrepreneurs who seemingly did good, wanna be braggarts, to bums & alcoholics / druggies. Mixed to see past / present princesses & pregnancies with or without mates. I was also way drunk at my 10th and ended up with someone I graduated with, but did not know until that night (friend of a friend). With spontaneous clasp, I took her (Agnes ... yes, it was burdenous) to the hotel's basement for a mutual unveiling event. Took shit later from others as the new couple and ditched out after all the bathtubs ran out of beer. The next year, I crashed & videotaped my immediate circle of friends reunion for the party of it all. I believe it cost them about $75 each and many said next time they'll crash the open bar without eating the crappy meal (eat before going & better). I paid $40 or $50 the year before; go figure. No word of a 25th (to avoid midlife crisis?), so perhaps a 40th, if done, would work ok, as a 50th reunion (~68 years old) may go decrepit. Still, one's curiousity may ask "whatever happened to ..." and go at every opportunity as a survivor (for the bathtubs of beer!). Regards to all the classes I ditched, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:54:26 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Re: channel Z Nothing here in Chicago on commercial / cable tv to equal the likes of MTV's 120 minutes, which used to be on Sundays around midnight ~10 years ago (someone named Pinhead? was host). That was a great program!! There is a local access channel featuring a Chicago rebel rock DJ/VJ playing speed metal videos along with local garage bands & their "wanna be" interviews; very crude production and grainy snow quality picture. Anyone have USA satellite tv with decent music videos such as 120 Mins. or Q Music channel as available over Europe? Anything available on the internet? Dinbot & Bastardpop links are great sound diversions, whereas the lair of the crab of ineffiable wisdom offers similar with animation (who found these, Bart?) http://www.rathergood.com/ Ohp! 2004 is drawing near, Rgds, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:59:40 -0000 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: [idealcopy] Devizes Yes, well it would have had to have been a pretty good spit but I know what you mean! We went to Wilton for the first time a few weeks ago in the last of that Indian summer. Great for wandering around and identifying (not hugging) the trees... Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Knight [mailto:steeleknight@lineone.net] Sent: 11 November 2003 00:38 To: 'Clements, Bruno - BUP' Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Welcomes I drove within spitting distance of Devizes today, en route from Bath (where my mother lives) to Wilton (where I was taking her on a birthday outing). Welcome Bruno. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Clements, Bruno - BUP Sent: 08 November 2003 15:27 To: 'idealcopy@smoe.org' Subject: [idealcopy] Welcomes Thanx for the welcomes - yeah, I'm about 20 miles from Stonehenge in the small town of Devizes best known for the Wadworth brewery and its 6X ale... ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:32:20 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: reunions bathtubs of beer? basements? oh, you ivory-tower yankees ... my 10th reunion was held -- no kidding -- in a deer camp in the woods, with food provided by a local barbecue place (good thing i was between vegetarian stints, i guess). no alcohol, of course, what with everybody being a good baptist & all (though i suppose a couple of good methodists might've crept in as well). whites-only, naturally (which meant attendance by maybe 20 people, plus a few spouses -- none otherwise related to their significant others, afaik, which is *something*), though about half our class was black; the school system hadn't desegregated till the summer before our 6th-grade year, though. after a couple of hours the 3 of us in attendance from the 7-or-so-student college prep classes repaired to my first crush's (ah, the halcyon days of 1971) husband's car, where we consumed some of the wine coolers he'd thoughtfully brought along. never heard anything about a 25th, which would've fallen due the summer of '02. maybe we were blacklisted for drinkingn (something i do, after all, maybe once every half-year or so). dan, voted "boy who changed the most" >Robert Lynn wrote in reply: > >Subject: Re: OT: the kids are alright >In a message dated 11/10/03 2:20:56 PM Central Standard Time, >voyteck@webtv.net writes: >Can't you just wait for your own class reunion ... the real & plastic >hierarchy? > Regards, > Voyteck > >i went to my 10 year re-union and got piss drunk and finally admitted to >my head principal that i slept with his daughter our senior year......he >had me thrown out of course.....not that i really care mind you...i >thought he and everyone else in my highschool were a bunch of snobby >pricks... >good times.. >RL > > Snobby pricks? I had those as well as a-holes whom I heard are living >out their lives in prison for murders. Both ends of the spectrum / >hierarchy as I recall; professionals & entrepreneurs who seemingly did >good, wanna be braggarts, to bums & alcoholics / druggies. Mixed to see >past / present princesses & pregnancies with or without mates. I was >also way drunk at my 10th and ended up with someone I graduated with, >but did not know until that night (friend of a friend). With spontaneous >clasp, I took her (Agnes ... yes, it was burdenous) to the hotel's >basement for a mutual unveiling event. Took shit later from others as >the new couple and ditched out after all the bathtubs ran out of beer. >The next year, I crashed & videotaped my immediate circle of friends >reunion for the party of it all. I believe it cost them about $75 each >and many said next time they'll crash the open bar without eating the >crappy meal (eat before going & better). I paid $40 or $50 the year >before; go figure. No word of a 25th (to avoid midlife crisis?), so >perhaps a 40th, if done, would work ok, as a 50th reunion (~68 years >old) may go decrepit. > Still, one's curiousity may ask "whatever happened to ..." and go at >every opportunity as a survivor (for the bathtubs of beer!). > Regards to all the classes I ditched, > voyteck ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #335 *******************************