From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #319 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, October 26 2003 Volume 06 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Scary Monsters & Super Creeps [was Halloween in the Lou] [Tis] Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power [RLynn9@] Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power [RLynn9] [idealcopy] 'This Is Uncool' continued... one ["Keith Astbury" > deep in the heart of one our State Parks where a gruesomely deformed escapee > > of a local mental institution hid for weeks and killed several teenagers a few more of these stories and it's gonna be Halloween in the Loo for me. Never was in to the whole scary/horror aspect myself...more a mischief man. Where I grew up, we had a ritual known as "Beggar's Night," which was a fancy name for going out the night before and trying to maximize that sugar intake as soon as possible. It was permissible to egg, TP, or put dog poo in a flaming bag on the steps of anyone who refused to give out candy. The whole pretending to be ghoulish thing always struck me as absurd. Despite recent accusations to the contrary, I've never been much for pretense. No doubt, however, that pretending would be better than actually being some people. billE =-=-=-=-=- rp: the cure, supreme beings of leisure, james blood ulmer, starclub, dot allison ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:24:16 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power In a message dated 10/24/03 8:17:47 PM Central Daylight Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > Am I the only person on this list who thinks REM are a bunch of tedious, > whining, airline-stewardess-annoying, confusing a tea trolley for a > CD-player, Mandolin-fixated bores and peddlers of the most smug, US College > Radio bollocks ever made? > no, you most definitely not the only one.....the only thing i like by them is Man in the Moon RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:27:15 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power In a message dated 10/25/03 3:17:02 AM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Not that I minded. I expected REO Speedwagon ; ) > > K. > tsk tsk Keith...stereotypes will let you down everytime RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:51:02 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] 'This Is Uncool' continued... one I mentioned 'This Is Uncool' (500 Greatest singles since punk & disco) book a few weeks back, as a couple of Wire singles graced it's pages. I'm quite enjoying it's diverse choices to be honest - there's Car Wash between Anarchy & Spiral Scratch for example, in the chronological list of greats. No-one would ever agreee on every choice (I personally can't stand Born In The USA!), but I love at least two thirds of Gary Mulholland's choices. Anyway, here's a few choice remarks that may interest lovers of JD, Magazine, New Order, The Cure, Teardops, Bunnymen, Killing Joke, Pet Shop Boys, etc, etc.... Buzzcocks - Spiral Scratch Still sounds like nothing else on earth. Magazine - Shot By Both Sides Nothing a human could sink to holds any surprises for him (Devoto). At one point he wonders aloud who is doing the shooting. Like we haven't seen the lump in his overcoat. The Normal - Warm Leatherette Better than the David Cronenberg movie. And a helluva lot shorter. Magazine - Give Me Everything It still expresses fear of love...of women...brilliantly, because it exposes the feelings that men don't want to acknowledge. Never a contender for Simon Bates 'Our Tune' as far as I can recall. The Cure - 10.15 On A Saturday Night He (Smith)...unleashes the most brialliantly inappropriate tinny-metal guitar solo before the bass drowns everything in clumsy misery. PiL - Death Disco Keith Levine unleashes what I still believe is the greatest guitar performance since Hendrix. The Fall - Rowche Rumble Sorry to harp on, but this does make modern rock sound so tame. Flying Lizards - Money Soul-less greed was The Next Big Thing and the Flying Lizards were only warning of the coming infection. Joy Division - Transmission Play loud when unhappy and it feels like exorcism. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:53:15 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] 'this is uncool' continued...2 Magazine - A Song From Under The Floorboards The opening line here - "I am angry I am ill and I'm as ugly as sin" - probably explains why this wasn't toppermost of the popppermost at Radion 1, but Hannett and the band create great beauty from Devoto's self-loathing, with drums clashing and echoing around the edges of the mix, and Barry Adamson's skipping, emotional bass worthy of an essay in itself. The Jam - Going Underground The irony of the records dramatic success only seemed to make Weller more sullen. After all, if you have such contempt for what the public wants, how do you feel if what they want is you? Dexys Midnight Runners - Geno Yeah, number one's sure were weird and wonderful in 1980. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart I reckon LWTUA would have been an even better record if he'd lived to make more like it.... The opening six bars alone crash through Curtis's earthly concerns as if trying to break him through a wall to a place where his pain simply doesn't exist. 'Poignant' doesn't do it justice. Killing Joke - Requiem / Change KJ were four Notting Hill nihilsts who crossed punk with Black Sabbath and produced one of the most thrillingly nightmarish noises of the early 80's.... The magnificent Change invented funk-metal...for better or worse. The Joke were perfect for all those nice, black-clad middle class kids who felt pop music was too much fun, and happily colluded with the band on the subject of of humanities rubbishness and their own guilt-ridden masochism. Blinding guitar sound, though. Joy Division - Atmosphere The music is slow and ancient and reminiscent of a hundred pop romances, all elegantly doomed. Do I need to mention ABBA again? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:54:17 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] this is uncool - continued...3 Teardrop Explodes - Reward After yrs of catching up with all the 60's artists they were compared to - Love, Scott Walker, The Doors - I still can't find a precedent for Rewards blaring soul action. PiL - Flowers of Romance PIL's last stand remains the strangest chart record of the last 25 yrs, maybe ever.... It still waits for pop to catch up with it's gleeful dismissal of every rule in the book. Magazine - About The Weather Once this, with it's relatively clean production, faux Motown rhythm track and trilling girlie backing vocals bombed, Magazine had no choice but to throw up their hands and give up the ghost. Birthday Party - Release The Bats Imagine a shock therapy Elvis impersonator being beaten by baseball bats in a horror movie sex scene...well that's the best I can do. It rocks so rabidly it just can't help being as funny as fuck. New Order - Everything's Gone Green You could sense the bands relief and joy at throwing off the cloak of grief and misery that had almost suffocated them. New Order - Confusion Barney's voice is lost in Baker's deluge of beatbox special FX, but, if what I can catch of the words is anything to go by, it's probably just as well. 23 Skidoo - Coup If it had one small smidgin of daytime radio play it would surely have been a Pigbag-style crossover. Echo & the Bunnymen - The Killing Moon It invented every Brit-rock band who've since gone for adult-rock glory by ringing up the local Philharmonic, particularly The Verve. The Smiths - How Soon is Now Quite simply, this is the THE rock'n'roll performance of the whole post-punk 80's. JAMC - Upside Down When I first heard it my head fell off. Still does, rather inconveniently. New Order - The Perfect Kiss The evening ascends with the bliss of NO's singing, ringing electro-pop, which - - and I realise this is heresy to any raincoat types who may be reading - is not really that different to anything by Stock, Aitken & Waterman, when you get right down to it. Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls It rendered every piece of 1985's white British pop redundant with one sweep from it's chorus, reaching something intangible that had nothing and everything to do with the real world of greed and duplicity. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:59:33 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power Not that I minded. I expected REO Speedwagon ; ) K. tsk tsk Keith...stereotypes will let you down everytime RL You mean I wrong to expect them????? Surely not ; ) K. NP Suicide - vega/rev ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:29:49 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power So can we safely say that REM and (our) electro(boys) don't mix very well? Bart >> Am I the only person on this list who thinks REM are a bunch of tedious, >> whining, airline-stewardess-annoying, confusing a tea trolley for a >> CD-player, Mandolin-fixated bores and peddlers of the most smug, US College >> Radio bollocks ever made? > no, you most definitely not the only one.....the only thing i like by them is > Man in the Moon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:59:41 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power In a message dated 10/25/03 4:17:02 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >I've only been to the States twice in my life. Once was the summer of '91 > >(Florida) and every single record shop I went in - and I went in every >one I > >found, of course! - there were Losing My Religion and Shiny Happy People > >playing away. > > > >Not that I minded. I expected REO Speedwagon ; ) well i guess there are some things to be thankful for. not that i'll ever escape the horror of billy joel. as long as i choose to live here on long island i'll just have to keep gritting my teeth. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:19:24 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power >In a message dated 10/25/03 4:17:02 AM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > >>I've only been to the States twice in my life. Once was the summer of '91 >> >>(Florida) and every single record shop I went in - and I went in every >>one I >> >>found, of course! - there were Losing My Religion and Shiny Happy People >> >>playing away. >> >> >> >>Not that I minded. I expected REO Speedwagon ; ) > >well i guess there are some things to be thankful for. not that i'll ever >escape the horror of billy joel. as long as i choose to live here on long island >i'll just have to keep gritting my teeth. > >-paul c.d. skynyrd are sounding better & better by the minute ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:12:09 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] this is uncool man, those are great entries. i wish i could be so succinct. - -paul c.d. p.s. wow, i can't believe i just posted a one line message! i mean usually i'd type a full paragraph before i even approach the subject. this time i got right to it, in what?, like five words, twelve if you count the second (and closing) statement about me wishing i... oops. nevermind. p.p.s. and seriously...i connected with so many of those comments, but especially on hearing jamc for the first time. i walked into 99 records and they were playing either upside down or trip you up. my head exploded too! and i bought both singles. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:23:19 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power >> God forbid, If I went blind tomorrow at least I could console myself by >not >> having to see Michael Stipes pulsating veiny forehead as he whines his way >> through yet another melodramatic REM 'classic', with his 'ironic' blue >> stripe across his eyes > >Don't you like it Tim? I was thinking of getting one myself. seems to me that boy george has been affecting one of those himself during his spots on vh1's "i love the '80s strikes back" (which actually included footage of sonic youth in full daydream nation glory [i vastly prefer sister, myself, but ...] in the '88 segment, along alas with a bit on the utterly noisome jane's addiction). must mean something, but if so it's passed me by completely. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:34:55 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power rather too puerile (rem, that is, not tim's email) to get particularly worked up about, in my book, though certainly one of the most overrated bands of the last 20 years. can't really speak for bsp, whose album i'm finding quite uneven though certainly with some nice moments ... doesn't help, in this context, that i've never heard shed seven. dan >Seriously though.... > >Am I the only person on this list who thinks REM are a bunch of tedious, >whining, airline-stewardess-annoying, confusing a tea trolley for a >CD-player, Mandolin-fixated bores and peddlers of the most smug, US College >Radio bollocks ever made? >God forbid, If I went blind tomorrow at least I could console myself by not >having to see Michael Stipes pulsating veiny forehead as he whines his way >through yet another melodramatic REM 'classic', with his 'ironic' blue >stripe across his eyes on every single frigging programme on every single >frigging TV and radio channel ever apart from Al Jazeera...and he's probably >on that as well.... > >And Am I the only person who thinks that BSP are basically Shed Seven >dressed as WW2 Air Raid Wardens in front of some 'ironic' foliage? > >Enough already! >Its enough to make you want to follow Killing Joke on tour! ASTEROID! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:20:07 +0200 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Bruce Gilbert interview on BraveNewWaves Found an interview with Bruce Gilbert aired 05/05/00 on BraveNewWaves. Cannot remember it was ever mentioned on our Ideal Copie site. 41 minutes Real Stream audio. www.bravenewwaves.ca/bnmedia/archive_i_gilbert.shtml Jan J No or Da ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:32:46 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rapid Arse Movement leads to British Shite Power In a message dated 10/25/03 1:15:05 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > seems to me that boy george has been affecting one of those himself during > his spots on vh1's "i love the '80s strikes back" yes i saw that episode....somebody please tell Boy George that black face paint around the chin and neck will not hide his double chin....jeez, just accept the fact that you are getting older.... 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