From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #317 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 317 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] meta [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ ["John Roberts" ] Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........and REM [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:40:18 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meta In a message dated 10/22/03 3:41:22 PM Central Daylight Time, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: > Equally perplexing from a listowner's perspective is the fact that while a > good minority of people have suffered the slings and arrows of Graeme's > Insult-O-Matic Keyboard (sans Ad Hominem Blocker, sadly), after he left the > list a couple of years ago, a Cult of Graeme sprang up in his absence, and > before "Bill Hick" declared his presence on the scene, we couldn't go a day > without someone pining for a shout of "ASTEROID!" I'm not picking sides, I'm > just sayin' that it's complicated, is all. some people love abuse...some people love a good fight..some people love to watch a good fight...some people take themselves too seriously...who really knows?. it's all a great deal of fun either way... RL n.p. - Massive Attack "100th Window" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:54:54 +0000 From: "John Roberts" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ Well I did see it but I was hopelessly drunk at the time. I'll dig it out and have another look. (I've got to dig it out from my partner's mass of REM videos.) The album is really growing on me. Definitely one to played at some volume. Wish I'd listened to it before I went to see them the other week at the Charlotte. Still think the singer sounds like Psychedelic Furs though! Cheers John http://www.surf.to/ambition >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:18:46 EDT > >well surprised to hear no comment on this following the bigging up in >advance. taped it and finally got to watch it this morning during breakfast >with my >nearly-3 year old daughter. she stared at them quite intently for a minute >or >so then turned to me and asked ; > >"daddy , why has that silly man got a saucepan on his head"? > >a question to which i fear there is no sensible answer > >p _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:23:39 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] The Celluloid Closet Cary Grant says something similar in Bringing Up Baby while wearing a woman's dressing gown - something like "I came over all gay". Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 21 October 2003 16:44 To: wire-news Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Celluloid Closet >> What's that 50's movie called where Rock Hudson >> says something like "I feel so gay today"? > Bart, Bart, Bart,...sometimes i am ashamed to be a figment of your > imagination... > RL NOW what did I do? There really IS a film in which Rock says it. I saw a snippet of it in a rather good documentary (The Celluloid Closet) about the secret gay lingo in Hollywood films. There was another bit about the actor playing Messala in Ben Hur which apparently was head over heels on Charlton Heston. The producers didn't let the old rightwinger know this of course. http://www.rochestergoesout.com/mov/c/cellul.html Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:34:48 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ They were pretty good on Monday night at ULU - a long set blessed with great sound and a hell of an encore with lots of wigging out and a very large mobile bear on stage. The best I've seen them. Supported by the great Jeffrey Lewis who spurned the opportunity to appeal to a new audience by playing a bunch of new stuff and the lengthy "The Last Time I Did Acid I Went Insane", which even I find testing. He now does a great History Of Rough Trade as one of his cheap videos - i.e. he's drawn a large comic book and sings over the top while turning the pages. The name of Wire was spotted on one page. I thought REM were great on Later, and I don't always think this of them. I went right out and bought the Bad Day single the day after - up there with their best commercial work. I saw Willis - who was on briefly doing one song - sixth (!) - out of six - on the bill at a folk event at the ICA back in the summer. As she really isn't very good it's depressing to find that she can already get a Later slot while more deserving performers (a certain four-piece springs to mind) don't get a sniff. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com Sent: 21 October 2003 19:19 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ well surprised to hear no comment on this following the bigging up in advance. taped it and finally got to watch it this morning during breakfast with my nearly-3 year old daughter. she stared at them quite intently for a minute or so then turned to me and asked ; "daddy , why has that silly man got a saucepan on his head"? a question to which i fear there is no sensible answer p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:04:51 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ > Well I did see it but I was hopelessly drunk at the time. I'll dig it out > and have another look. Yeah, they were OK weren't they. I've realised what it is I don't like about Remember Me though. The chorus. I like the intro and verse a lot, but the chorus is a bit naff imo. As for R.E.M... I know Michael Stipe has never exactly looked like a picture of health, but he really doesn't look good at the moment, does he. His watching of Mills playing the piano on a really good Nightswimming was pretty touching, though. Paul CD will be pleased to know that they played a great version of Losing My Religion (even if Stipe was a bit on the hoarse side) Hands up anyone who liked Buddy Guy. I'm not averse but to a spot of blues from time to time, even if it's not particularly my genre. But this was dire. Keith. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:22:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ In a message dated 10/23/03 3:01:42 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Hands up anyone who liked Buddy Guy. I'm not averse but to a spot of blues > from time to time, even if it's not particularly my genre. But this was > dire. > > Keith. speaking of the blues....glad to see another person has discovered yet another interesting "lodger" in my place of employment http://garagepunk.com/lowlifeguide/explore.html scroll down to Friedens Cemetery lots of other interesting stuff about the Lou (what we locals call our beloved city of St. Louis) RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:45:14 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou ..different friends of mine here in St. Louis are always pestering me to take them to some of the sites of the stories have told for years...so this year i did some research and have decided to take them to as many sites that i can...among stops on the journey.. the vacant building where the "Jane Doe" murder of 1983 took place...a couple of guys scrounging for scrap metal found a decapitated little girl in a basement boiler room...she was decapitated and the head never found...nor the murderer, her identity, or any parents or loved ones... various sites (wooded areas, mississppi river floodwall, where 12 different murdered prostitutes were found a couple of years ago on the city's north and east side..all murdered by a serial killer named Maury Travis in the basement of his county home...he filmed some of the murders...he was finally caught because of a map he sent to a local news reporter...the web-site he downloaded it from was traced back to him.... the chain of rocks bridge murders....2 girls were raped and thrown off the 70 foot tall bridge that spans one of the most scenic areas of the misssissppi river...the bridge has been closed since around 1971 but many people hang out on the bridge getting high and drunk and scribbling graffiti...the bridge was used to film "Escape From New York"...the bridge managed tyo escape demolition after the murders by a group of investors who cleaned it up and opened it for pedestrian use only (cycling, jogging, walking)..... The Haunted Lemp Brewery The Alexian Brothers hospital... the REAL inspiration for the "Exorcist" ...a spooky place indeed... still researching others.....but these alone will scare the socks off of 'em wish me luck RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:07:34 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou >The Alexian Brothers hospital... the REAL inspiration for the "Exorcist" ...a >spooky place indeed... robert -- would this be the subject of the following movie coming up on showtime (which i, unfortunately, don't get ... must see if i can get my girlfriend to tape it for me) -- "possessed -- in 1950s st louis, a troubled priest is called upon to perform a controversial exorcism. based on a true story." dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:07:28 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou In a message dated 10/23/03 4:09:50 PM Central Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > would this be the subject of the following movie coming up on showtime > (which i, unfortunately, don't get ... must see if i can get my girlfriend > to tape it for me) -- > > "possessed -- in 1950s st louis, a troubled priest is called upon to perform > a controversial exorcism. based on a true story." > > dan > possibly...but from what i have researched, there seems to be several cases like this...2 of them being exceptionally notable...the one with the little boy (which was turned into a little girl for the book/film) where he actually spoke in other languages that he had no knowledge of previously, and he would have strange scrawlings on his chest and stomach..that would appear before the priests eyes... the case involved a little girl who could make things levitate around the room...even in her sleep... RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:15:16 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou In a message dated 10/23/03 5:09:55 PM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > >"possessed -- in 1950s st louis, a troubled priest is called upon to > perform > >a controversial exorcism. based on a true story." > > > >dan > i have been in that wing of the Alexian Brothers hospital before i even knew of the legend and before it was closed down ...and i can tell you it is one creepy place...get the chills just thinking about it.... i've also been in the basement of the vacant building where they found the decapitated little girl and it is almost too much to bear....it is creepy beyond description.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:35:57 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou > possibly...but from what i have researched, there seems to be several cases > like this...2 of them being exceptionally notable...the one with the little > boy (which was turned into a little girl for the book/film) They gave the kid a sexchange because of a film? Now really! ;-P Bart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:42:03 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou morbid (& perhaps open-minded to a fault) git that i am, this all makes me want to come up there for your tour! dan >In a message dated 10/23/03 5:09:55 PM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com >writes: > >> >"possessed -- in 1950s st louis, a troubled priest is called upon to >> perform >> >a controversial exorcism. based on a true story." >> > >> >dan >> > >i have been in that wing of the Alexian Brothers hospital before i even knew >of the legend and before it was closed down ...and i can tell you it is one >creepy place...get the chills just thinking about it.... > >i've also been in the basement of the vacant building where they found the >decapitated little girl and it is almost too much to bear....it is creepy beyond >description.... > >RL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:43:59 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou >In a message dated 10/23/03 4:09:50 PM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> would this be the subject of the following movie coming up on showtime >> (which i, unfortunately, don't get ... must see if i can get my girlfriend >> to tape it for me) -- >> >> "possessed -- in 1950s st louis, a troubled priest is called upon to perform >> a controversial exorcism. based on a true story." >> >> dan >> > >possibly...but from what i have researched, there seems to be several cases >like this...2 of them being exceptionally notable...the one with the little boy >(which was turned into a little girl for the book/film) where he actually >spoke in other languages that he had no knowledge of previously, and he would >have strange scrawlings on his chest and stomach..that would appear before the >priests eyes... sounds a lot more like an alleged possession than the next one, which seems more like purported poltergeist activity -- not, of course, that i have any details whatsoever. > >the case involved a little girl who could make things levitate around the >room...even in her sleep... > >RL dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:03:58 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Halloween in the Lou >In a message dated 10/23/03 4:09:50 PM Central Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> would this be the subject of the following movie coming up on showtime >> (which i, unfortunately, don't get ... must see if i can get my girlfriend >> to tape it for me) -- >> >> "possessed -- in 1950s st louis, a troubled priest is called upon to perform >> a controversial exorcism. based on a true story." >> >> dan >> > >possibly...but from what i have researched, there seems to be several cases >like this...2 of them being exceptionally notable...the one with the little boy >(which was turned into a little girl for the book/film) where he actually >spoke in other languages that he had no knowledge of previously, and he would >have strange scrawlings on his chest and stomach..that would appear before the >priests eyes... could be the same case -- supposedly the only documented exorcism ever performed by the catholic church in the u.s. apparently it's the subject of a book, "possessed," by one thomas allen. must look into that ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:11:16 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] "earworms" For nearly a year, He Said Omala's "Solid Or Vanish" was my default ambient background earworm. Researcher confirms existence of 'earworms' 98% of people have had songs stuck in their head Jessica Kovler, New York Times Tuesday, August 12, 2003 )2003 San Francisco Chronicle |Feedback URL: sfgate.com/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/12/MN129881.DTL There's nothing nicer than a tune playing in your head -- until you can't turn it off. The phenomenon has spanned the ages. In 1882, Mark Twain wrote in a short story of an annoying "jingling rhyme" that became indelibly lodged in the author's mind until he passed the curse along to another hapless victim. This summer, a community board in Brooklyn, N.Y., has called for a limit on the playing of the "Mr. Softee" jingle by ice-cream trucks -- a jingle that can be unbearably memorable for those subjected to it for extended periods. Research has helped define, but not explain, the experience. A recent study by the University of Cincinnati looked at the affliction, which the author, James Kellaris, calls "earworms" from the German word ohrwurm. The ear part is obvious, but the worm part isn't incidental. Kellaris, a consumer psychologist, says it conveys the parasitic nature of the travel of songs into their listeners' ears, only to then get lodged and played on mental continuum. He found that some 98 percent of listeners were at one time or another bothered by a tune that wouldn't leave their heads. The study also found some common offenders, including the Kit-Kat jingle ("Gimme a break"), "Who Let the Dogs Out," Queen's "We Will Rock You," the theme to "Mission: Impossible," "YMCA," "Whoomp, There It Is," "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" and "It's a Small World After All." The study also showed that musicians and those with compulsive tendencies are the most afflicted. The two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, though the act of repetition -- in popular songs on the radio and on the rehearsal floor for musicians -- plays a role. The 559 students used in the study had lots of trouble with the Chili's jingle for its baby-back ribs and with the Baha Men song "Who Let the Dogs Out. " But Kellaris found that most often, each person tends to be haunted by their demon notes. There can be a positive side for some. Singer-songwriter Neil Diamond says those repetitive notes that won't go away have spawned some of the greatest hits of his career. "If I wasn't in the business of songwriting, I'd probably be seeing a doctor," Diamond said. "I've tried everything from cold showers to listening to other people's music, but nothing helps." Musicians may be more affected than others because of the areas of the brain involved in listening to and creating music. The brain is composed of circuits, many of which connect to the rostromedial prefrontal cortex, an area behind the forehead. )2003 San Francisco Chronicle ==================================== Ed Special ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:43:19 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........ In a message dated 10/21/03 2:22:44 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > >"daddy , why has that silly man got a saucepan on his head"? > >a question to which i fear there is no sensible answer saw them tonight in nyc. my first thought was he is bsp's bez. then i hopped up on a step so i could see what he was doing after putting the drum down and realized he was playing a keyboard...so, not bez, but he did pick up the drum a couple more times and dance around with it. even jumped into the crowd and circled bowery ballroom (which has two staircases, so he went through the crowd, up one stair and down the other) banging his drum. i enjoyed the gig very much. annoying crowd (talking to each other and/or trying to make calls on cell phones in the middle of the club...which was verrrrry loud...idiots). bsp did seem to be forcing the 'rock show' thing a bit, climbing the pa and jumping off, pulling guitar strings off, swinging em and pounding em, and the helmets n camouflage...a bit much when you add it all together into a condensed showcase set, but still lots of fun. and childhood memories built to an incredible noise which was fantastic too. right after that i ran to pianos to see mono (missed about 20 mins of their set) and i am spoonbender. mono made bsp seem like the beach boys (or maybe the osmonds), and ias showed everyone how great an 'electro' band can be! they rocked! also, first time i've seen a band cover young marble giants! i forget which song it was, but they did a beautiful version, very true to the ymg sound. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:51:19 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP on later........and REM i would've enjoyed remember me more at the show tonight if the audience weren't such a bunch of losing posers or posing losers or ploozers! they just talked louder as teh music got louder...idiots. In a message dated 10/23/03 4:01:42 PM, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: >Paul CD will be pleased to know that they played a great version of > >Losing My Religion (even if Stipe was a bit on the hoarse side) hehe, i wish they'd lose that song. never liked it and don't think i ever will...especially with stipe praising himself so much for recording a rock song with a mandolin in it! "it changed music forever" or some such nonsense. whatever it was he claimed, gimme a break. otherwise, they're a pretty durn good rock band :o) - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #317 *******************************