From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #316 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 06 : Number 316 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] ot office game [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] [OT] Elliot Smith dies [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] meta [Ed Special ] Re: [idealcopy] FW: wasting money ["Tim" ] [idealcopy] meta...... [Ari Britt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:33:53 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] ot office game www.panlogic.net/rescue ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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But Kinesis's set may strain the special relationship. Asked what they would most like thrown on stage, the Bolton band answered: "The head of George Bush." They will perform their debut single . . . And They Obey, a ferocious tirade against the North American Free Trade Agreement. Described by the New Musical Express as "one of the most important and exciting young bands in Britain", the Kinesis songbook also includes Zyklon B, Everything Destroys Itself and Generation Devoid of Inspiration. Also on the bill are the Koreans, a heavily tattooed South London group, described by the BBC as "well on their way to cult status". Their anthem is entitled Do We Look Like We Give A F**k? Brighton band Clearlake and singer-songwriter Aidan Smith complete the line-up, due to perform at a Greenwich Village club. The bands might parade their anti-establishment credentials, but the showcase gig that, it is hoped, will set them on the long and winding road to stardom / and export success / is being funded by the Department of Trade and Industry and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. They back Trade Partners, which provides support for British companies trading overseas. Phil Patterson, a former musician, DJ and director of EMI Music, is the Trade Partners' rock "ambassador" who will accompany the bands on their attempt to break into the $10 billion (#6.9 billion) US music market. Britpop needs all the help it can get. Robbie Williams, Britain's most popular artist, still cannot get a foothold with American record-buyers who are in thrall to gangsta rappers such as 50 Cent and R&B stars, led by Beyonc* Knowles. The "Britflop" slump became stark two years ago when the Billboard Hot 100 singles chart contained no British act for the first time since the Beatles. A spokesman for Trade Partners said: "The idea is to put the best up-and-coming British bands in front of the American industry and help them to attract record contracts and touring opportunities." The concert is co-sponsored by the British Phonographic Industry, which is working with the Government to set up a British music "embassy" in New York that will advise new acts. The acts were chosen for the New York exposure in collaboration with British Underground, an Arts Council-funded organisation that promotes the "expanding collective of underground UK labels to a global audience". The BPI has printed 7,000 CDs featuring hotly tipped British bands that will be given away to delegates attending a New York music industry seminar next week. British Top Ten regulars including Turin Brakes, Elbow, Cooper Temple Clause and the Irish band the Thrills will play to small crowds of opinion-formers in New York clubs next week. There are signs that doors are beginning to open to British music once again. Coldplay have sold two million CDs in the US and Radiohead have topped the charts. Last week Dido and Sting both sold 200,000 copies of their latest releases. ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:15:21 GMT From: P J Kane Subject: Re: movies, was [idealcopy] Electronic Wirespace (LATE reply) PAUL C.D. asked << do you like hitchcock movies? >> i dunno. i saw one ... i want to say _Vertigo_. and i thought it was slow and boring. i haven't bothered with any others. PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... - --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 08:35:21 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: movies, was [idealcopy] Electronic Wirespace (LATE reply) In a message dated 10/21/03 10:33:58 PM Central Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > do you like hitchcock movies? > > speaking of THE man Hitchcock, this afternoon around 4:30 pm central time TCM will be showing "Rebecca" then later in the evening "North By Northwest" AND a documentary about the making of the film afterwards..... and for Fritz Lang fans: "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" starring the lovely Dana Andrews shows sometime before "Rebecca" (around noon i believe) great night on TCM (and never any commercial interruptions!) RL p.s. Fritz Lang's "M" is showing on November 1st...get those VCR's ready! np - Mount Vernon Astral Temple "Musick That Destroys Itself" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:56:57 -0400 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: OT movies RL: p.s. Fritz Lang's "M" is showing on November 1st...get those VCR's ready! np - Mount Vernon Astral Temple "Musick That Destroys Itself" //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / M is an astounding film for its visuals and story. Still resonates today. I have only seen lousy prints of it though. Saw the DVD of "Strangers on a Train" the other day. Hitchcock was a master. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:00:57 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Elliot Smith dies Apparent suicide: http://www.nme.com/news/106511.htm What a waste. :( - - A - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:06:27 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: OT movies In a message dated 10/22/03 8:58:05 AM Central Daylight Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > M is an astounding film for its visuals and story. Still resonates today. I > have only seen lousy prints of it though. > TCM usually shows the best prints possible....they have shown the most full restored versions of "Metropolis" and "Nosferatu"......i believe on October 30th they are showing 6 or 7 great Lon Chaney films like "The Unknown" and "Laugh Clown, Laugh"... RL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 14:43:46 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FW: wasting money In a message dated 22/10/2003 10:43:41 GMT Daylight Time, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > Last week Dido and Sting both sold 200,000 copies of > their latest releases. > Sorry for swearing...But who gives a fuck ? Chris NP. A short cut to Teenage Fanclub ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:49:14 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] meta Ari asked about why I founded idealcopy, and a bit about its history. I've been on the Internet since '93, and I was dismayed to find that while discussion groups were springing up everywhere, there wasn't one for Wire. I tried to start one then, but I was in grad school at Vanderbilt, and the sys admins at Vandy (doubling as my ISP) never seemed to grasp what an e-mail list was, nor did they seem interested in finding out. I would make an attempt to get approval for a list about once a year, and I kept thinking that eventually someone else would start a Wire list before I could do it! I cut my last tie with Vandy in '97, and by then several other music lists to which I subscribed (Fegmaniax, i.e., the Robyn Hitchcock list, chief among them) had moved to smoe.org, a server run by music fans for the dedicated purpose of hosting music lists. After a few e-mail exchanges with woj, the listowner of Fegmaniax, and Jeff Wasilko, the co-founder of smoe, I got their approval to have idealcopy hosted there. Our first message beamed out to a few friends and interested parties on February 25, 1998. (By the way, the Internet has become so pervasive that we no longer experience the "U.S./U.K. collegians go home for the summer" mass uns*bscription wave that we used to -- almost everyone seems to have a home ISP nowdays.) Back then, we often went a few days between messages, but once Andrew's Wire Page and Craig's Wireviews started promoting the list, membership quickly climbed to 200, a figure that's stayed steady through the reformation of the band, periods of band inactivity, and Graeme/Tim flamewars. Speaking of the latter... sigh. I dunno. Is it performance art or something? I'm stumped. Equally perplexing from a listowner's perspective is the fact that while a good minority of people have suffered the slings and arrows of Graeme's Insult-O-Matic Keyboard (sans Ad Hominem Blocker, sadly), after he left the list a couple of years ago, a Cult of Graeme sprang up in his absence, and before "Bill Hick" declared his presence on the scene, we couldn't go a day without someone pining for a shout of "ASTEROID!" I'm not picking sides, I'm just sayin' that it's complicated, is all. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 17:54:02 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] meta On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 04:49 PM, Miles Goosens wrote: > Ari asked about why I founded idealcopy, and a bit about its history. > Speaking of the latter... sigh. I dunno. Is it performance art or > something? I'm stumped. Equally perplexing from a listowner's > perspective is the fact that while a good minority of people have > suffered the slings and arrows of Graeme's Insult-O-Matic Keyboard > (sans Ad Hominem Blocker, sadly), after he left the list a couple of > years ago, a Cult of Graeme sprang up in his absence, and before "Bill > Hick" declared his presence on the scene, we couldn't go a day without > someone pining for a shout of "ASTEROID!" I'm not picking sides, I'm > just sayin' that it's complicated, is all. > > later, > > listowner Miles There was / (is?) a belligerent antagonist going by "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" on the Hafler Trio list. I succumbed to his vitriolic jabbing and engaged him full throttle. I regret having given him any attention at all as it amounted to little more than a stress inducing waste of valuable time and creative, constructive energy. I guess every silver lined cloud has its fecal matter. - -or something. Ed Special ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:57:53 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FW: wasting money > > Last week Dido and Sting both sold 200,000 copies of > > their latest releases. > > > They don't count! Hardly a British Invasion is it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 18:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] meta...... ......Thanx Miles.......Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #316 *******************************