From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #310 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, October 18 2003 Volume 06 : Number 310 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Battle of the blands ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] As offtopic as it gets: listee on TV [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:Clapham Grand [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Battle of the blands [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] As offtopic as it gets: listee on TV [Andrew Walkingshaw ] Re: [idealcopy] As offtopic as it gets: listee on TV ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] KaitO, KaitO, KaitO ["Keith Knight" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Battle of the blands > Have to agree with you there Mark....Freebird.Euww or whatever word you > used.A Fretwank and a half.But shamefacedly somewhere in my singles collection I > have a copy & of Sweet Home Alabama ! Must have come from a bargain bin. > Chris I have a 12" with SHA on one side and Freebird on the other, that I bought circa '80 (same day as Bauhaus Telegram Sam IIRC. What a funny day that was). And do you know what, even though long haired southern boogie-er's are not normally my cuppa tea (and they're not exactly regulars on the Astbury turntable), I do have to admit to liking both tracks. Even Freebird for all it's wailing guitar nonsense and audible flares. Preferable to The Comsat's Independence Day at the very least ; ) Keith np Muggs - dust ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:39:42 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Quote of the Day "There is an evil twin version of any song you write. You must remember that you're only a step away from being Bonnie Tyler at any time". Tim Gane, Stereolab* The Times *New mini-LP out on Mon. "Instant 0 in the Universe" (that's instant "zero" according to Laetitia Sadier) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:45:51 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Rage In Oz Well blow me down, this is the third straight week Rage have shown the 'Stopping' promo video on Australian Tv. http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/archive/2003/20031017.htm Must be the promotion for the Wire Oz Tour then..... Tim Sema/R.Haigh - Various _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:55:25 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] As offtopic as it gets: listee on TV andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > Jesus College Got to be an interesting curriculum there - transubstantiation, hydropedia, carpentry - but I imagine that the graduation ceremony is a bitch. bE =-=-=-=- np: tear garden - to be an angel blind ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:56:55 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:Clapham Grand keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > who other than a terrorist would emigrate from 'Mericah Isn't Alec Baldwin supposed to be leaving soon? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:02:55 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Battle of the blands In a message dated 10/16/2003 8:31:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > The only thing worse would be a Coldplay cover of Freebird Oh...I don't know about that...how about that live version of "Green Grass and High Tides" ? A side-long helping of redneck fretwank - kind of like Yes goes country. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:05:23 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] As offtopic as it gets: listee on TV On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 06:55:25AM -0400, Tisbili@aol.com wrote: > andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > > Jesus College > > Got to be an interesting curriculum there - transubstantiation, hydropedia, > carpentry - but I imagine that the graduation ceremony is a bitch. I know you're joking, but the real name of the college is even weirder: "The College of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint John the Evangelist, and the Glorious Virgin Saint Rhadegund, near Cambridge, commonly known as Jesus College". Named after Jesus Chapel, which predates the college (having been part of the nunnery that occupied its site until Henry VII shut it: there were only two nuns left, one a "toothless old crone", the other "pregnant with child"...) - - Andrew - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:50:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] As offtopic as it gets: listee on TV > "The College of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Saint John the Evangelist, and > the Glorious Virgin Saint Rhadegund, near Cambridge, commonly known > as Jesus College". Fuck. Who's gonna remember all that. No wonder you've got to bright to go there ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:28:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua Ahem. This will leave no toe uncurled, no jaw undropped. It's a new Adam Ant cheridee video. "Enjoy" http://homepage.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:08:30 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua it ain't there, dammit! > Ahem. > > This will leave no toe uncurled, no jaw undropped. > > It's a new Adam Ant cheridee video. > > "Enjoy" > > > http://homepa ge.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:00:40 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system Not to start an excessively long thread, but inherent history geek that I am, I feel obliged to rise to the defense of the electoral college. A compromise (as was most of our Constitution) between the interests of large vs. small states, it has single-handedly been the largest factor in the political stability of the US. Direct popular election encourages the formation of multiple small parties - witness European politics - in which you either elect a candidate via plurality, thus practically ensuring minority winners since the field is split so many ways (c.f. the recent California election), or horrendously drawn out electoral processes as runoffs become necessary to weed out the field. If a candidate needs a majority - either of votes or of a governing coalition, they often need to make deals with the least abhorrent single-issue/militant extremes parties giving voice in government to distinctly wide-of-center voices. The Electoral College system, on the other hand requiring a majority of electoral votes to be elected creates the following results. Single interest, splinter parties, or regional favorites (a bigger concern in the 18th and 19th centuries) are practically guaranteed failure (a notable exception being Teddy Roosevelt) since their appeal is too narrow to attract a majority of voters across the entire republic. Hence practical ideologues must incorporate their views into platforms that can be accepted by one of the major parties. The major parties are also forced to be flexible since if an issue (leftof center for the democrats or rightof center for the republicans) starts to garner grassroots support, the party must make accommodations to that issue before the vote of that party base is split between the party wings, thus ensuring that the opposing party is elected without even having to campaign the issue. By requiring a candidate to win in a particular state to get any votes, and getting the same number of electoral votes, no matter by how wide a margin s/he wins by, there is an evening out effect. Say a candidate was ridiculously popular in a particular region of the country. S/he wouldn't have to appeal strongly to the great majority in order to be electable - say candidate X wins the South 85% to 15%. They might win the general election by only garnering 30% of the vote in the rest of the country. The electoral college basically smoothes out anomalies, requires quantum thresholds of popularity for results to show (an amazing concept really for 18th century political minds), diminishes the power of extremist politics by favoring the mainstream, and forces mainstream political parties to pay attention to extremist issues before they gain the power to split the party and render the opposition the winner in a majority system. There have been a few anomalies. 2000 was notable because the country was not only so evenly divided, but it was so evenly divided over such a wide spectrum. It wasn't only the result of Florida. There were many states that were remarkably close. It might have been more scientific to flip a coin. If any has just cause to complain about the electoral system it would be Samuel Tilden, who garnered a distinct majority of the vote in 1876 but lost the election to Rutherford B. Hayes because a politically stacked electoral commission awarded 15 disputed electoral votes from 3 southern states to Hayes by a straight 8-7 party vote. We could also talk about Aaron Booth, (yes the same guy who shot Hamilton, who actually tied Thomas Jefferson for election because the ballot didn't distinguish between candidates for president and vice-president). No system is perfect. But on the balance, I'd keep the present one. It actually makes elections more contestable, which fosters the democratic process. sg http://www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system > In a message dated 14/10/03 9:31:31 am, Paul Rabjohn writes: > > << > so..........no reports on the spanish/italian tour? wonder how it went..... > >> > > Is an EGL diary in existence, I wonder? It would indeed be good to know more. > > Getting back off-topic, regarding Bush's original election, it's always > struck me that the major issue got obscured. That being, not hanging chads or > illegal roadblocks, but the fact that he actually polled less nationwide, by > several hundred thousand, than did Gore. The electoral college, an invention of > the nineteenth century, produced the wrong result - and we are all living with > the consequences. > > Are there moves afoot to elect the president by popular vote? I've heard > little evidence of too many stirrings - would like to hear otherwise. > > If it is anything like the UK, which also has an archaic, unfair electoral > system, essentially unreformed since 1888, the problem is that electoral reform > is percieved as a minority, fairly geeky, issue. > > As a result, the next election here could result in the election of a very > right wing bald man who no-one takes very seriously at the moment, on as little > as 35 percent of the popular vote if the votes scatter the right (by which I > mean wrong) way. > > It probably won't happen, but it could - and that ain't democracy. See > makevotescount.org.uk if interested. > > Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:22:13 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua Oh my god! It's fucking horrible!!! wnd3 At least he's out of the looney bin... - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > it ain't there, dammit! > > > Ahem. > > > > This will leave no toe uncurled, no jaw undropped. > > > > It's a new Adam Ant cheridee video. > > > > "Enjoy" > > > > > > HREF="http://homepage.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html">http://homepa > ge.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html > > > > > > Mark ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:59:18 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua I think you need Quicktime to see it.... > it ain't there, dammit! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:51:10 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system On Friday, Oct 17, 2003, at 12:00 America/Detroit, Stephen Graziano wrote: good piece, Stephen! i have a few differences of opinion. > Not to start an excessively long thread, but inherent history geek > that I > am, I feel obliged to rise to the defense of the electoral college. A > compromise (as was most of our Constitution) between the interests of > large > vs. small states, it has single-handedly been the largest factor in the > political stability of the US. only a 'history geek' or confirmed academic could make such an historical argument. history is written by winners (baby), and this is simply another in a long line of examples. the constitution was never voted on directly by the people, nor could women or non-whites or others vote anyway. so we are left to wonder at the insights of the founding fathers, who arranged these 'compromise[s] between...states', not people. 'the interests of large vs. small states' really means the (sometimes competing) interests of the wealthy & powerful who run those particular domains. 'political stability' is code for shutting out populism. > Direct popular election encourages the > formation of multiple small parties - witness European politics - in > which > you either elect a candidate via plurality, thus practically ensuring > minority winners since the field is split so many ways (c.f. the recent > California election), or horrendously drawn out electoral processes as > runoffs become necessary to weed out the field. i think having direct popular vote 'weed out the field' and ensuring minority winners is fine. only, we never got to choose that option. it's all about power and choice. the people are prevented from both...and some commentators look at history and claim 'stability' and 'democracy'! true democracy might be ugly and complex and interesting; and allow for real change, therefore it is to be avoided at all costs. > Single > interest, splinter parties, or regional favorites (a bigger concern in > the > 18th and 19th centuries) are practically guaranteed failure (a notable > exception being Teddy Roosevelt) since their appeal is too narrow to > attract > a majority of voters across the entire republic. yes, a truly ingenious feature of our democracy: 'guaranteed failure'. also, i see you lapsed into the phrase 'majority of voters' when you are actually proving the case against that. > Hence practical ideologues > must incorporate their views into platforms that can be accepted by > one of > the major parties. The major parties are also forced to be flexible > since > if an issue (leftof center for the democrats or rightof center for the > republicans) starts to garner grassroots support, the party must make > accommodations to that issue before the vote of that party base is > split > between the party wings, thus ensuring that the opposing party is > elected > without even having to campaign the issue. i think you overstate the case for flexibility of monolithic parties. surely the weight of your history comes down on the side of established platforms over the reform-minded? and what of the voter who has to continually make the 'lesser of two evils' choice between such patchwork, often contradictory major-party platforms? think that false choice has something to do with voter apathy? >> Say a candidate was >> ridiculously popular now there's a statist phrase! > If any has just cause to complain about the electoral system it would > be Samuel Tilden, who garnered a distinct majority of the vote in 1876 > but > lost the election to Rutherford B. Hayes because a politically stacked > electoral commission awarded 15 disputed electoral votes from 3 > southern > states to Hayes by a straight 8-7 party vote. are you saying the people have no 'just cause to complain', only the losers of the non-democratic power struggles? no, i don't think you intended that. but Tilden and Gore seemingly both lost due to yet another layer of power removed from direct popular vote. what is history really showing? > We could also talk about Aaron Booth, aaron burr. > No system is perfect. But on the balance, I'd keep the present one. > It > actually makes elections more contestable, which fosters the democratic > process. i'd say that is a rather incredible conclusion, and not supported by history after all. defenders of this system, trying to explain the stranglehold the elite have held for such a long time over the populace, are forced to proclaim the sanctity of the amazing constitution and the remarkable system of checks and balances, etc, and what great 'stability' we've enjoyed. try Zinn's 'People's History of the US' for an obvious starting point in tracing the real story of populism and reform. it's not pretty, and it's not democratic. kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:17:31 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Battle of the blands In a message dated 17/10/2003 10:02:01 GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > And do you know what, even though long haired southern boogie-er's are not > normally my cuppa tea (and they're not exactly regulars on the Astbury > turntable), I do have to admit to liking both tracks. Even Freebird for all > it's wailing guitar nonsense and audible flares. > > Preferable to The Comsat's Independence Day at the very least ; ) > Oh no ! Never.The Comsats were a really underrated band & it's just plain nasty to mention them & long haired southern boogie -er's in the same mail. Chris NP Athlete - Beautiful NR _ Bang Magazine (Read the last three months issues after a long time not reading the variety of mags talked about a few weeks ago.)It's not groundbreaking stuff but not hopeless & better than the NME which i ditched after one issue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:35:24 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua At the risk of sounding like a sentimental old fool, I found it rather touching myself. Poor Adam has obviously suffered - as highlighted in the recent tv programme - and I'm pleased that at least he's functioning again. The fact that he's just butchering one of his old records for charity is surely neither here nor there. Hope the dandy highwayman gets/stays well. Keith PS Do I get to wear the glam anorak for spotting a picture of Marc Bolan in his John's Children phase in the background. Wonder what he'd say to the man who belatedly replaced him on gtr in the 90's version of JC (ex-Polecat and Moz side-kick Boz Boorer) ; ) K. >worked on mine keith. try deleting the end bit of the link? -----Original Message----- From: MIME :keith.astbury10@virgin.net Sent: 17 October 2003 17:08 To: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Cc: Rabjohn Paul SSAB UK @ BLTPL/SSAB Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua it ain't there, dammit! > Ahem. > > This will leave no toe uncurled, no jaw undropped. > > It's a new Adam Ant cheridee video. > > "Enjoy" > > > http://homepa ge.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html > > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:35:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua In a message dated 10/17/03 12:33:47 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > Keith > > PS Do I get to wear the glam anorak for spotting a picture of Marc Bolan in > his John's Children phase in the background. yes Keith...the glam-rock smock is yours...wear it proudly for now.. RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:42:16 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua In a message dated 10/17/03 6:33:47 PM GMT Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > PS Do I get to wear the glam anorak for spotting a picture of Marc Bolan in > his John's Children phase in the background. Wonder what he'd say to the man > who belatedly replaced him on gtr in the 90's version of JC (ex-Polecat and > Moz side-kick Boz Boorer) ; ) ///////titter ye not , the ant and bolan careers were widely held up as parallels at the point adam hit the mainstream. sad to see how adam's ended up. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:42:58 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua In a message dated 10/17/03 12:39:06 PM Central Daylight Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > > Keith > > > > PS Do I get to wear the glam anorak for spotting a picture of Marc Bolan > in > > his John's Children phase in the background. > > yes Keith...the glam-rock smock is yours...wear it proudly for now.. > > RL > of course i would have awarded you the more appropriate glam-rock sock but i'm sure there isn't any more room in your leather trousers for another sock.... RL np - Pete Namlook "The Gate to the Milky Way" (live at the old Melkweg in Amsterdam) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:28:42 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua > PS Do I get to wear the glam anorak for spotting a picture of Marc Bolan > in > > his John's Children phase in the background. > That would be the Lurex anorak. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:38:40 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Battle of the blands my fondness for sweet home alabama notwithstanding (& i very nearly cited freebird in my original post, too) -- must be something in the southern u.s. water -- i must also defend independence day ... quite a personal favorite. the entire first album is a true gem. dan >In a message dated 17/10/2003 10:02:01 GMT Daylight Time, >keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > >> And do you know what, even though long haired southern boogie-er's are not >> normally my cuppa tea (and they're not exactly regulars on the Astbury >> turntable), I do have to admit to liking both tracks. Even Freebird for all >> it's wailing guitar nonsense and audible flares. >> >> Preferable to The Comsat's Independence Day at the very least ; ) >> > >Oh no ! Never.The Comsats were a really underrated band & it's just plain >nasty to mention them & long haired southern boogie -er's in the same mail. > Chris > >NP Athlete - Beautiful >NR _ Bang Magazine (Read the last three months issues after a long time not >reading the variety of mags talked about a few weeks ago.)It's not >groundbreaking stuff but not hopeless & better than the NME which i ditched after one >issue. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:29:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua A Damn Ant trying to save a Gorrilla,now THAT'S funny....Ari MarkBursa@aol.com wrote:Ahem. This will leave no toe uncurled, no jaw undropped. It's a new Adam Ant cheridee video. "Enjoy" http://homepage.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html Mark The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:49:19 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Robert Wyatt My fave album, as I've mentioned here before. And if I had to choose a best track off it (not something I've ever really considered before as it's such a coherent piece of work) it would be Sea Song, simply because it is truly beautiful as you say Robert. The moment when he starts the wordless singing after "We're not alone" is one of the great recorded moments for me. Brings tears to my eyes every time. Utterly sublime. I've yet to plumb Cuckooland but on a couple of hearings I think I'm going to have difficulty with the jazz influence. It's always been there in Wyatt's work but it's more to the fore this time. I'll persevere though. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] Sent: 16 October 2003 00:42 To: keith.astbury10@virgin.net; MarkBursa@aol.com; steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BSP In a message dated 10/15/03 6:36:32 PM Central Daylight Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: And Robert Wyatt's version of I'm A Believer had vocal 'inflections' that would not have been entirely out of place on Pink Flag! over on the Coil list there was a recent thread about the beauty that is Wyatt's "Sea Song" (from Rock Bottom) ....top tune..top album RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:31:14 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: [idealcopy] KaitO, KaitO, KaitO I've banged on about them before but last night I saw KaitO supporting Erase Errata and, once again, they completely blew me away. This was second best only to the Biting Tongues gig this year and I've seen some cracking gigs. They've just come back from a US tour and although I can barely credit it - given that they were tremendous from the first time I saw them last year - they actually seem to be improving. I almost never listen to them at home - they are a pure live experience and frankly pretty much the best that's available right now (at least while the boys are not available). God knows why bands put them on the same bill. Erase Errata couldn't hold a candle although they were pretty good. I've seen them outshine Clinic and that Yeah Yeah Yeahs drummer's band too. KaitO are supporting the Liars shortly but unfortunately I'm already seeing the Handsome Family on the night of the London date (although I do want to see the HF). But if you're going to see the Liars do yourself a favour and get there early. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:37:02 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim wrote...plus Miles? In a message dated 10/16/03 7:31:57 PM Central Daylight Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > this has GOT to be the best goddarn list around.Despite the 'displeasure' of > a few of you at some of his postings I think even Tim and Robert would agree > it would indeed be a great shame if Graeme really has left the list.Graeme? > you there? moi? it's all in good fun....i've realized that now...it is only the internet....i don't know Graeme personally.... Tim has met him face to face...so that might be a different story... RL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:39:05 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout BSP >In a message dated 16/10/2003 21:39:12 GMT Daylight Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >> though mind you "sweet home alabama" is undoubtedly a greater >> song than coldplay could come up with in a lifetime of trying). >> > >First time I have to disagree with you Dan. rather amazing, in that i'm often disagreeable. wait, that didn't come out right ... though it does apply to last night, when i was sitting at dinner with former co-workers & watching the red sox' idiot manager -- who with any luck will (a) be fired during the offseason, then (b) be hit by a truck while walking out into traffic in a daze from boston's front office, dooming him to (c) die a lingering, hideously painful death while (d) the brain tumor that obviously muddled his thinking last night metastasizes (bitter? me?) -- contrive to throw the league championship series to the loathsome yankees. i came very near to hurlilng something at the waiter who persisently neglected to replenish my iced tea. & to running over to the bar & shoving the moronic yankees fans (a redundancy?) who were cheering every hit. *sigh* dan Awful record & pretty banal band >in my opinion.Tragic end to the group & god rest their souls but not my cup of >tea. >Coldplay I quite like , but they are at the precipice where they could be >next years ridiculed band depending on their next album. >IMHO they need to lighten up & not be so depressive if that makes any sense. >That list of yours though was very diverse & cool.Found myself nodding & >mumbling to myself in accord.It's a worry.... > Chris > >NP.Ronnie & Clyde - In Glorious Black & Blue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:56:51 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim wrote...plus Miles? >moi? it's all in good fun....i've realized that now...it is only the >internet....i don't know Graeme personally.... > >Tim has met him face to face...so that might be a different story... > >RL part of the problem seems to be that tim has met him face-to-*beard*. i've had facial adornment myself at times, off & on, the last few years -- never more than a goatee (which persisted for most of the '90s) -- & at any moment am likely to have sideburns that would make elvis himself or maybe even that simian-looking kid in supergrass weep (though not at the moment ... besides, the one on the left -- the sideburn, that is, not one of supergrass' odd-looking threesome -- has turned paralyzingly white), but tim appears to be rather a purist on such matters. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:51:58 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim wrote...plus Miles? On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 05:37:02PM -0400, RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > > moi? it's all in good fun....i've realized that now...it is only the > internet.... A logical fallacy which *really* annoys me. The person at the other end is still a real person, even if you can't see them... ... . - - A - -- email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ Earth Sciences, University of Cambridge http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ DJ, CUR1350 - http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "The Random Walk", 10pm Fridays | "... and now I couldn't sleep!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:39:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Tim wrote...plus Miles? In a message dated 10/17/03 5:52:35 PM Central Daylight Time, andrew-wire@lexical.org.uk writes: > >moi? it's all in good fun....i've realized that now...it is only the > >internet.... > > A logical fallacy which *really* annoys me. The person at the other end > is still a real person, even if you can't see them... > > ... . > > - A > > of course they are....i merely meant that i see no sense in getting too worked up over anything anyone says to me on the internet...it's not like we will meet face to face in a dark alley or anything.... and besides, for the most part i do hate the internet... and further more, i find it silly to take it too seriously...for all we know, Tim and Graeme are one and the same and he is conducting a social experiment.... who knows? who cares? IC is a good time and i like chatting with all of ya... RL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:53:31 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua I didn't have the guts to watch all of it! - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Monochromatic Man To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Qua diddley qua qua Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:22:13 +0100 (BST) Oh my god! It's fucking horrible!!! wnd3 At least he's out of the looney bin... - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > it ain't there, dammit! > > > Ahem. > > > > This will leave no toe uncurled, no jaw undropped. > > > > It's a new Adam Ant cheridee video. > > > > "Enjoy" > > > > > > HREF="http://homepage.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html">http://homepa > ge.mac.com/dianfossey/iMovieTheater40.html > > > > > > Mark ===== /\ /\ /\ { o _ o }  \ _--_ / --Try it now! ) GWS Ltd http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ ninemsn Premium transforms your e-mail with colours, photos and animated text. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #310 *******************************