From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #305 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 06 : Number 305 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Re: ot-clinton [Ari Britt ] [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system [HowardJSpencer@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] R.E.M. Atlanta show [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system [k erickson ] Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] futureheads/xtc (was:don't worry bout the government) ["d] Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government -> BSP and REM on Later [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 02:29:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ot-clinton Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/13/03 8:16:01 PM, saintgermain@earthlink.net writes: > >whom did he work so hard for? his cronies (rather than Bush's)? >hollywood? Kosovars? i don't see it. turning a 290 billion dollar deficit into a 124 billion dollar surplus looked good to most americans. of course dubya has brought it right back to where daddy and ron left it. - -paul c.d. Exactly so...........Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 05:42:32 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system In a message dated 14/10/03 9:31:31 am, Paul Rabjohn writes: << so..........no reports on the spanish/italian tour? wonder how it went..... >> Is an EGL diary in existence, I wonder? It would indeed be good to know more. Getting back off-topic, regarding Bush's original election, it's always struck me that the major issue got obscured. That being, not hanging chads or illegal roadblocks, but the fact that he actually polled less nationwide, by several hundred thousand, than did Gore. The electoral college, an invention of the nineteenth century, produced the wrong result - and we are all living with the consequences. Are there moves afoot to elect the president by popular vote? I've heard little evidence of too many stirrings - would like to hear otherwise. If it is anything like the UK, which also has an archaic, unfair electoral system, essentially unreformed since 1888, the problem is that electoral reform is percieved as a minority, fairly geeky, issue. As a result, the next election here could result in the election of a very right wing bald man who no-one takes very seriously at the moment, on as little as 35 percent of the popular vote if the votes scatter the right (by which I mean wrong) way. It probably won't happen, but it could - and that ain't democracy. See makevotescount.org.uk if interested. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:30:42 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system In a message dated 10/14/2003 5:42:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HowardJSpencer writes: > That being, not hanging chads or > illegal roadblocks, but the fact that he actually polled > less nationwide, by > several hundred thousand, than did Gore ///i think the same thing happened in 1951 in the uk , attlee got more votes but churchill got more seats there is a very nice conspiracy theory about the major/kinnock election where the total number of crucial votes that decided the election in the key marginals (say he won by 20 seats then add up the winning margin in the closest 10) was an incredibly small number , just a few thousand. major was massively behind in the polls immediately before and after , yet had a surprising spike in popularity on election day. rumours of missing ballot boxes , fake votes by en masse inhabitants of old peoples homes , dodgy postal votes etc were quite rife at the time. but such a thing would never happen in the land of the stiff upper lip. obviously. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:53:52 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R.E.M. Atlanta show inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: > Encore: > Life And How To Live It > Nightswimming > Final Straw > Gardening At Night > Wolves, Lower > Sitting Still > Radio Free Europe > Permanent Vacation > Imitation Of Life > It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) Raises the question of just when does an encore become a second set? billE np: carte blanche (astrawerks comp) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:54:38 -0400 From: k erickson Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system On Tuesday, Oct 14, 2003, at 05:42 America/Detroit, HowardJSpencer@aol.com wrote: > Getting back off-topic, regarding Bush's original election, it's always > struck me that the major issue got obscured. That being, not hanging > chads or > illegal roadblocks, but the fact that he actually polled less > nationwide, by > several hundred thousand, than did Gore. The electoral college, an > invention of > the nineteenth century, produced the wrong result - and we are all > living with > the consequences. think the popular vote alone would be any less easy to manipulate? also, careful with the 'achaic system' argument -- unless you think the rest of the government, and that old parchment the constitution, also need reform. paul c.d. wrote: > turning a 290 billion dollar deficit into a 124 billion dollar surplus > looked > good to most americans. of course dubya has brought it right back to > where > daddy and ron left it. had plans for that money, did you? kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:58:55 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bushism oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > wasn't the Whitehouse hit by a missile Not a plane as > suggested, as the Crash Site is not big enough an area for it to be the > plane? > > Paranoia means having all the facts - Burroughs > Pentagon...White House....what's the difference? "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Wilson Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:24:09 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system > > That being, not hanging chads or > > illegal roadblocks, but the fact that he actually polled > > less nationwide, by > > several hundred thousand, than did Gore > > ///i think the same thing happened in 1951 in the uk , attlee got more votes but churchill got more seats Didn't the same thing happen in the first election of '74? Heath briefly toyed with trying to stay on because he'd got more votes (but less seats) than Wilson, before conceding defeat. Wilson then called a 2nd election and got a majority later in the year. K. NP it-ness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:33:48 EDT From: HowardJSpencer@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system In a message dated 14/10/03 11:30:42 am, PaulRabjohn writes: << there is a very nice conspiracy theory about the major/kinnock election where the total number of crucial votes that decided the election in the key marginals (say he won by 20 seats then add up the winning margin in the closest 10) was an incredibly small number , just a few thousand. major was massively behind in the polls immediately before and after , yet had a surprising spike in popularity on election day. rumours of missing ballot boxes , fake votes by en masse inhabitants of old peoples homes , dodgy postal votes etc were quite rife at the time. >> Someone actually went to the slammer after the 1987 election, I think, as a result of casting votes from people who'd died in the old people's home that she ran. Surprisingly enough, given that she made a fortune from other people's infirmity and misfortune, she was an ardent Tory. What is certain regarding the 1992 Major vs Kinnock election is that something approaching a million people disappeared from the electoral registers as a result of the poll tax (or rather, by trying to avoid it). These would have been overwhelmingly people likely to vote Labour, and this could have tipped the balance in key seats (though it can't be denied that Major was comfortably ahead in the popular vote - by 7 points I think). That - and the personal antipathy that many apparently felt towards Kinnock for being bald, Welsh, a bit accident-prone and not having been educated at Oxford or Cambridge - was the main reason that Labour lost the 1992 election, not tax. Meaning that the entire New Labour "project" (yuck) has been based on a false premise. The Tories, despite being the 'king and constitution' party in origin, have always fought dirty when the going gets rough, and their commitment to democracy is shaky at best. There is evidence to suggest that the disappearance of voters from electoral rolls caused by the poll tax was a quite deliberate policy - - if so, that's anti-democratic. I guess we may find out more come 2020, given the 30 year rule on classified documents. The US parallels here are pretty obvious. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:09:05 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system > That - and the personal antipathy that many apparently felt towards Kinnock > for being bald, Welsh, Oy!!! We've had to put up with your lot governing us for long enough ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:29:29 EDT From: StephenSwarbrick@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wire live - new album I've just come back from a wander around London's Soho record shops, always good for the occasional rarity. Under the vinyl section for wire was as album called Honi Soit, what ever that means ( perhaps an anagram). Its a live recording of the Rockpalast gig, 14/02/1979 with two studio tracks; Our swimmer and Midnight Barnhof cafe. Not seen it before so I bought it ( only #11) Its probably a boot leg but the sound quality is really good and its on white vinyl!! very outdoor miner. I can't find a publisher on it but there is a catalogue number, and wait for this PFCM 154 SHSP-PRO 1979. Not to hard to work out - Pink Flag, Chairs Missing and of course 154. And the rest well. Good fun. P.s. anyone own the live at Tiffanys album recorded in Hull? Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 11:54:19 -0400 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire live - new album In a message dated 10/14/2003 11:29:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, StephenSwarbrick writes: > Under the vinyl section for wire was as album called Honi Soit, what ever > that means ( perhaps an anagram). Its a live recording of > the Rockpalast gig, > 14/02/1979 with two studio tracks "honi soit qui mal y pense" means something like "evil comes to he who thinks evil thoughts" , so i guess honi soit means "evil comes".....bit harsh on the lads. sounds like a great find.....i see a good few vinyl clash bootlegs have been circulating semi-officially so maybe this is from the same source? nice sound quality? i will keep my eyes open.....p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:52:42 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system In retrospect it's just as well Major won in 92 as the Tories were shortly plunged into Black Wednesday. If Labour had got in Kinnock would have been tarred with the 'can't manage the economy' brush and they would have been chucked out at the subsequent election, threatening a Tory hegemony for years to come. I may not like everything that Blair has done but it's preferable to another 20 years of Tory rule. The downside of Major was the privatisation of British Rail which has doomed me to crap journeys for the rest of my working life. And to bring this piece back on track, I spent election night at the Clapham Grand watching Wire at their most obtuse and The Hafler Trio. One of the great gigs, although the phonecall I made to my friend later with whom I was staying the night to watch the election was chilling - "It's not good news Keith" he said after seeing the first results. I couldn't believe the Tories had got in again and frankly neither could they - they had no idea what to do during that administration. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of PaulRabjohn@aol.com there is a very nice conspiracy theory about the major/kinnock election where the total number of crucial votes that decided the election in the key marginals (say he won by 20 seats then add up the winning margin in the closest 10) was an incredibly small number , just a few thousand. major was massively behind in the polls immediately before and after , yet had a surprising spike in popularity on election day. rumours of missing ballot boxes , fake votes by en masse inhabitants of old peoples homes , dodgy postal votes etc were quite rife at the time. but such a thing would never happen in the land of the stiff upper lip. obviously. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:09:54 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system In a message dated 10/14/03 6:53:48 PM GMT Daylight Time, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: > I spent election night at the > Clapham Grand watching Wire at their most obtuse and The Hafler Trio ///////ah , a great night. don't think you "saw" the hafler trio though....i think they were "audio only". my big dissapointment relating to that evening (as well as the major victory) was when i got hold of the stretcheads album. thought they were great live but the record is piss poor. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:29:27 EDT From: StephenSwarbrick@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wire - Live album Hi again Sorry, I forgot to add that there were more copies available. I think the album has just become available because more than one shop had it in stock. For all those that have emailed me check the Sister Ray web site: www.sisterray.co.uk For those lucky enough to live in the area of central London go to Berwick Street and check out any of those fine record shops. Regards Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Keith Knight wrote......... The downside of Major was the privatisation of British Rail which has doomed me to crap journeys for the rest of my working life. ........................................... can't be as bad as when I was in London some 15 years ago,I had caught the transit train from the airport and had a couple of large suitcases,as I struggled down the platform I espied a porter and approached him,asking if he knew where I could get a trolly to make life easier."Not my problem' was his response,and off he sauntered.....I hope he lost HIS job under privatization..........Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:46:25 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bushism >> There's an excellent documentary from the History Channel that explains >> why the towers fell - no conspiracy involved, just a fundamental design >> flaw. > >oh, someone has explained it....and no less an authority than the >Hitler Channel. what _were_ we worried about!? Oops - mis-referenced. It was TLC/Discovery channel. (With production assistance from the U.K.'s Channel 4.) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006AUH7 if anyone's interested in a well researched documentary. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:58:30 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government > >>The new statue video is pretty impressive, but I'm not exactly blown away > by > the single. Is this representative of the album, cos it was one on my list > and I might have to scrub it off.<< Probably the most 'rock' track on the album. You really should own it by now, especially as it's a fiver in Fopp. > >>>ps Futureheads on in Oxford tonight. Did they crop up on this list? If > so > >why? > > Their single 1-2-3 Nul! (Fantastic Plastic) from earlier this year, got the > following review in The Guardian... > > "Modernists in the most respected tradition (think XTC, Wire and possibly > The Fall after a nice hot bath) these four tracks show a band in complete > control. The future has spoken!"<< > > Think XTC, XTC and, er, XTC. Saw them a while ago. Quirky noo wave that > sounds absolutely nothing like Wire or the Fall but a lot like 2nd album XTC. > Suppose it had to happen. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:03:54 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] futureheads/xtc (was:don't worry bout the government) >> >>>ps Futureheads on in Oxford tonight. Did they crop up on this list? If >> so >> >why? >> >> Their single 1-2-3 Nul! (Fantastic Plastic) from earlier this year, got the >> following review in The Guardian... >> >> "Modernists in the most respected tradition (think XTC, Wire and possibly >> The Fall after a nice hot bath) these four tracks show a band in complete >> control. The future has spoken!"<< >> >> Think XTC, XTC and, er, XTC. Saw them a while ago. Quirky noo wave that >> sounds absolutely nothing like Wire or the Fall but a lot like 2nd album XTC. >> Suppose it had to happen. > >Mark guess i'll keep an ear out for these guys, then, insofar as go2 is really the only thing of xtc's i've ever liked a whole lot (other than the occasional single -- nigel is, of course, utterly irresistible, though to my mind it sounds like nothing else in their catalogue). dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:22:41 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government In a message dated 10/14/03 9:01:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Think XTC, XTC and, er, XTC. Saw them a while ago. Quirky noo wave that > >sounds absolutely nothing like Wire or the Fall but a lot like 2nd album > XTC. > >Suppose it had to happen. > ///////what a horrible prospect. of all the crappy corporate nice new wave albums of the era , that was probably the nadir. and somebody is basing a career on it? probably easier to play than the pop group maybe? please save me from wacky quirkiness. just trust me , this is not the way to go :-( p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:35:21 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government it would appear that mr rabjohn & i have a slight difference of opinion as to the worthiness of go2 ... dan >In a message dated 10/14/03 9:01:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, MarkBursa@aol.com >writes: > >> Think XTC, XTC and, er, XTC. Saw them a while ago. Quirky noo wave that >> >sounds absolutely nothing like Wire or the Fall but a lot like 2nd album >> XTC. >> >Suppose it had to happen. >> > >///////what a horrible prospect. of all the crappy corporate nice new wave >albums of the era , that was probably the nadir. and somebody is basing a career >on it? probably easier to play than the pop group maybe? > >please save me from wacky quirkiness. just trust me , this is not the way to >go :-( p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:14:29 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government > > >>The new statue video is pretty impressive, but I'm not exactly blown away > > by > > the single. Is this representative of the album, cos it was one on my list > > and I might have to scrub it off.<< > > Probably the most 'rock' track on the album. You really should own it by now, > especially as it's a fiver in Fopp. The nearest Fopp is Leamington Spa AFAI. It'd cost me more than that to get there ; ) I almost picked this album up the other day, cos I've been interested in BSP (heard the odd track on free cd's, all the rapturous praise on these pages), but I got that cheap Domino comp and - apologies to Paul R here - the new Bowie cd instead. And I think it's pretty neat myself. But back to BSP... The point I'm making is that the single is rather ordinary, not what I expected at all. Hence my question about it being representative, cos I respect you guys tastes! Honest, guv!!! What's the consensus on the new Strokes single? Find it rather lame myself (and I'm a bit of a fan). I like Albert Hammond Jnr's rhythm gtr and that's about it. My only concern is that in future yrs I will become fond of the overwhelming naffness of the tinkly riff! > > Think XTC, XTC and, er, XTC. Saw them a while ago. Quirky noo wave that > > sounds absolutely nothing like Wire or the Fall but a lot like 2nd album XTC. > > Suppose it had to happen. If you take way the Fat Bob vocal styling, then Hot Hot Heat's Bandages isn't a million miles away from XTC either. (I'm with Dan. Haven't heard Go 2 in a long time, but I quite liked it myself...) Keith NP Dave Gahan - i need you (i picked this up for 49p the other day - though not a big Dep Mode fan by any means I was interested in hearing the Ladytron mix enough to 'splash out'. And I know I'll be in a minority here but I think it's fab! His farcical festival performance is now officially forgiven!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:32:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bushism > The discovery channel were no doubt correct,however you failed to mention > that,in order to bring a building of that magnitude down it takes demolition > experts many weeks pondering over plans of the building to decide where to > place the explosives to bring it down 'just so',I also failed to mention that > Fox,THE right wing news media,reported just moments before the first tower > collapsed,that the N.Y fire dept. had radio'd in that they 'had the fire under > control'............and that aviation fuel does NOT burn hot enough to melt > steel,,,,,,,as was reported. Some conspiracy theories are well worth supporting but this is frankly rubbish. The explanation as to why the building collapsed the way it did makes perfect sense to me, once the construction of the building is explained. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:37:55 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] futureheads/xtc (was:don't worry bout the government) > >>guess i'll keep an ear out for these guys, then, insofar as go2 is really > the only thing of xtc's i've ever liked a whole lot (other than the > occasional single --<< > Personally I think they improved massively once Barry Andrews left. The > quirkiness (by then much-imitated) was toned down, and you got top tracks like > Complicated Game on Druns & Wires instead. >> nigel is, of course, utterly irresistible, though to my mind it sounds like nothing else in their catalogue).<< Mainly because it's a Colin Moulding song.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:27:30 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R.E.M. Atlanta show In a message dated 10/14/03 6:55:42 AM, Tisbili@aol.com writes: >inspectorjason@hotmail.com writes: >> Encore: >> Life And How To Live It >> Nightswimming >> Final Straw >> Gardening At Night >> Wolves, Lower >> Sitting Still >> Radio Free Europe >> Permanent Vacation >> Imitation Of Life >> It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine) > >Raises the question of just when does an encore become a second set? i was thinkin the same thing. could have been longer than wire's entire gig! www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:33:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Tour/ US electoral system In a message dated 10/14/03 6:56:55 AM, saintgermain@earthlink.net writes: > >paul c.d. wrote: > >> turning a 290 billion dollar deficit into a 124 billion dollar surplus > >> looked >> good to most americans. of course dubya has brought it right back to > >> where >> daddy and ron left it. > >had plans for that money, did you? i was kinda hopin to retire in 15 yrs or less. wonderin who i'll have to hit up for my social security checks when the time comes :o\ - -paul (i hit send before finishing the previous post) c.d. p.s. i have never been much of an r.e.m. fan, but the one time i did see them i thought they really rocked. they just need to drop losin my religion already...or at least drop that mandolin on the floor and stomp on it. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:46:13 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bushism Pentagon...White House....what's the difference? exactly! - ----Original Message Follows---- From: Tisbili@aol.com To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bushism Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:58:55 EDT oneloveonebagonenil@hotmail.com writes: > wasn't the Whitehouse hit by a missile Not a plane as > suggested, as the Crash Site is not big enough an area for it to be the > plane? > > Paranoia means having all the facts - Burroughs > Pentagon...White House....what's the difference? "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Wilson Reagan _________________________________________________________________ Chat via SMS. Simply send 'CHAT' to 1889918. More info at http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/MoChat.asp?blipid=6800 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:19:34 +0100 From: Bunny Smedley Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government -> BSP and REM on Later >> Btw. What did you think? Afraid we may have been suckers for it, and were I've just read a report of the recording of the Jools show for Friday. Apparently both BSP and R.E.M. put in strong performances: the initial atmosphere seemed a little tense to me as the show was recorded as a live run through (with only one break to move the equipment around) - the standard set by REM was very high and everyone who followed were far less experienced at doing tele . however the boys were magnificent, we had to wait for both Jamelia and Buddy Guy to play before we heard a spirited and very fast version of Remember Me with some superb guitar work by Martin. Just before the show started Yan gave Jools a set of five 7" singles of Remember Me with names of famous piano players (Oscar Peterson, Jools Holland, and 3 others I can't quite remember...) after a slightly perfunctionary interview with Yoko Ono at the piano, Jools introduced REM singing Losing My Religion. and then it was back to the boys for what was a truely incendiary version of Carrion - they ripped the roof off the studio with this - Martin was playing the guitar with his teeth, Yan and Hamilton were performing vocal pyrotechnics and eamon surprised most people in the studio by setting off for a wander with his drum. Woody stoic as ever at the far right of the stage thumped the hell out of his kit. The last two minutes of the song turned into a mini epic - watch on friday to see what I mean.... The audience was really into it and when it all came to a ferocious climax, the applause was the loudest it had been allnight. What followed next was equally impressive if much quieter - Micahel stipe sing a piano accompanied version of Nightswimming... ... thanks to de Lacey from the BSP Forum for this (I'm sure he won't mind that I borrowed it) btw, I have also been ensuring 'return coverage' of Wire on the BSP list - a reference to mullets was too good to resist. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #305 *******************************