From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #303 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 13 2003 Volume 06 : Number 303 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] multiple mails [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] OT: High Noon ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] multiple mails ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] multiple mails Anyone else receiving multiple mails? Some I got 4 times... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 12:56:21 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: High Noon What follows is a posting on Westerns, with reference to High Noon, so please move on if not interested! I studied the Western for a while at University and we spent some time discussing a book called Sixguns and Society by Will Wright. He was a structuralist critic who took the 100 most popular westerns up to that time (it was published in the mid-70s) and analysed them for their relationship between the main protagonist and the society portrayed. He came up with four main western types: The Classical western - in this the 'hero' is an outsider who enters society, is not fully accepted at first but gets drawn in when the villains threaten a loved one or friend. He then fights the baddies, beats them and joins the society. This is typified by Shane and was the standard format until the 50s, although instances can be found after that (e.g. Josey Wales). The Vengeance western involves someone who is part of society but who is forced to leave it when some horrible act is perpetrated which requires him to go it alone. I can't recall now whether he rejoins society or not at the end - I think not (e.g. The Searchers). Wright then identifies four Transitional westerns from the early 50s - I'll come back to these. Finally there's the Professional western, dominant from the 60s, when the 'heroes' are only in it for the money - they have no relationship to society (so, the Wild Bunch and Dollars movies for example). [ This is a simplification of the argument, but that's broadly it AFAIR ] I can't recall the names of all the Transitional Westerns - Apache and I think Johnny Guitar were among them) but High Noon was one of them. Wright argues that the relationship between Gary Cooper and society effectively reverses the format of the classical western. In it Cooper starts off in society but is cold-shouldered when he asks for help to fight off the baddies and has to do it himself. At the end he therefore has to break with the society who have deserted him, casting his badge away and leaving town. This reading is limited of course - it's easy to factor in McCarthyite allegory to the High Noon plot - but it might explain why John Wayne and Howard Hawks intuitively hated it and reposted some years later with the sublime Rio Bravo in which the sheriff actually tries to turn away help from the townspeople. As for why Clinton was such a big fan... The top man who is part of society finds that no-one will help him in his hour of need. It would be interesting to know if viewing went up after the Lewinsky affair came to light. Or perhaps its something to do about a man standing alone and then being cast out of the town he's saved - as all presidents must be in the end. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme Sent: 11 October 2003 09:35 To: wire-news Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Noon > i noticed high noon has been rereleased on dvd, remastered and enhanced > audio and with lots of special features. must make some time to see that. The choice of presidents apparently Paul... feeling ambitious? Anything's possible now in your country... -Bart ;-) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3125517.stm PRESIDENTS CHOOSE HIGH NOON The Western High Noon has emerged as one of the most popular films requested by US presidents for screening in the White House. The Gary Cooper classic was watched by Bill Clinton 20 times, while Dwight Eisenhower watched it three times, reports the Los Angeles Times. Among other favourite movies presidents have used to temporarily take their minds off running the country are Casablanca, The Bridge on the River Kwai and Audrey Hepburn's Sabrina and Roman Holiday. The presidential preferences have been revealed in a documentary, All the Presidents' Films, which will be screened in the US on Thursday. The documentary used as its basis a log kept by the official White House projectionist between 1953-1986, Paul Fisher. 'Metaphor' He kept a register of 5,000 films he screened during his service for seven presidents. The executive producer of the documentary, Burt Kearns, said the popularity of High Noon in the White House can easily be explained. "The film can be seen as a metaphor for the president," he told the Los Angeles Times. "The main character of High Noon is a glamorous figure, a man who does what he has to do. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:19:49 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] multiple mails No. > Anyone else receiving multiple mails? Some I got 4 times... > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:20:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] multiple mails No. Ok. Cheap joke ; ) > Anyone else receiving multiple mails? Some I got 4 times... > > Bart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 17:57:10 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] np 23 skidoo 'culling' cd reissue on Boutique..at last! In a message dated 10/12/03 4:00:54 AM, sean.bowen@ukgateway.net writes: >Did you actually LIKE "The Culling is Coming" ? > >- Isn't it all just inconsequential, arhythmic tuneless noise ? i love that album. what i wonder about the cd is what they did with the lock groove. - -paul (i'm not abnormal at all) c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:15:45 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: High Noon In a message dated 10/12/03 7:57:49 AM, steeleknight@lineone.net writes: >As for why Clinton was such a big fan... The top man who is part of >society finds that no-one will help him in his hour of need. It would >be interesting to know if viewing went up after the Lewinsky affair came >to light. Or perhaps its something to do about a man standing alone and >then being cast out of the town he's saved - as all presidents must be >in the end. i thought the appeal was just in fantasizing about having grace kelly on your arm. go figure. :o) i guess rear window could be more appealing in that case. best movie kiss ever? one of em for sure. - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 10:32:34 +0800 From: "Tim ****" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] np 23 skidoo 'culling' cd reissue on Boutique..at last! There's no 4-4 beat if that's what you mean? It was one of my favourites from '82 & still is.. Tim Np - On U Sound Site Sample Mp3's (Mainly new A.Sherwood) - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "sean bowen" Reply-To: "sean bowen" To: CC: "ideal copy" Subject: [idealcopy] np 23 skidoo 'culling' cd reissue on Boutique..at last! Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:03:21 +0100 Did you actually LIKE "The Culling is Coming" ? - - Isn't it all just inconsequential, arhythmic tuneless noise ? _________________________________________________________________ Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 08:07:04 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government Another the Keith mentoined; >> Hope of the States covered a Tears for Fears song in their gig at ULU >> last night (don't know which song, .... Solo acoustic version of Mad World. Btw. What did you think? Afraid we may have been suckers for it, and were totally blown away. Best gig in quite sometime. In fact....ooh...since BSP 3 days before. You'll have missed HOTS on Top of the Tops then? British Sea Power on Jools this Friday though, with free-range to decorate the studio. According to their website they are looking for a plastic mute swan. AndyL ps Futureheads on in Oxford tonight. Did they crop up on this list? If so why? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #303 *******************************