From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #302 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, October 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] High Noon [Bart van Damme ] RE: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government ["Keith Knight" ] RE: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies / allenfilms ["Keith Knight" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Noon > i noticed high noon has been rereleased on dvd, remastered and enhanced > audio and with lots of special features. must make some time to see that. The choice of presidents apparently Paul... feeling ambitious? Anything's possible now in your country... -Bart ;-) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3125517.stm PRESIDENTS CHOOSE HIGH NOON The Western High Noon has emerged as one of the most popular films requested by US presidents for screening in the White House. The Gary Cooper classic was watched by Bill Clinton 20 times, while Dwight Eisenhower watched it three times, reports the Los Angeles Times. Among other favourite movies presidents have used to temporarily take their minds off running the country are Casablanca, The Bridge on the River Kwai and Audrey Hepburn's Sabrina and Roman Holiday. The presidential preferences have been revealed in a documentary, All the Presidents' Films, which will be screened in the US on Thursday. The documentary used as its basis a log kept by the official White House projectionist between 1953-1986, Paul Fisher. 'Metaphor' He kept a register of 5,000 films he screened during his service for seven presidents. The executive producer of the documentary, Burt Kearns, said the popularity of High Noon in the White House can easily be explained. "The film can be seen as a metaphor for the president," he told the Los Angeles Times. "The main character of High Noon is a glamorous figure, a man who does what he has to do. Mr Bush is said to be a fan of Austin Powers "He's a man alone, who has to do the right thing. He's what you think the president would imagine himself to be." Jimmy Carter emerged as the president who watched the most films, requesting 580 films including Midnight Cowboy. And in the week of 1970 when the US began its secret bombing of Cambodia, Richard Nixon watched the war movie Patten twice. Epics The documentary also reveals that after watching the 1983 TV mini-series The Day After, former actor Ronald Reagan sent some notes on how he felt the film should be edited to director Nicholas Meyer. But Mr Meyer was apparently so offended by the interference that he tore up the notes. Although projectionist Mr Fisher left the White House before the arrival of Mr Clinton and George W Bush, the documentary managed to uncover some of their movie-watching habits. Mr Bush's favourite film is said to be Steven Spielberg's Oscar winner Saving Private Ryan, while other screening requests include Field of Dreams and Austin Powers. The eclectic taste of Mr Clinton's viewing ranged from the epics Schindler's List and The English Patient to Baz Luhrmann's romantic comedy Strictly Ballroom. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:15:37 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government Hope of the States covered a Tears for Fears song in their gig at ULU last night (don't know which song, as I never paid TFF any attention but I was reliably informed of this by friends) so their reformation is clearly timely. TFF are, of course, from my home town of Bath. In fact the only name band I can think of who came from there (instead of moving there like Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammill and, possibly, Alison Goldfrapp). Which is rather depressing. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tim **** Sent: 10 October 2003 14:19 To: tim@kidsindestructible.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government * all is right in the world.* * tears for fears have reformed.* TFF.. On ORS.. & Cheggars Plays Pop.. Jumpers for goalposts...Tears in my eyes... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 06:13:21 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Noon On Saturday, October 11, 2003, at 04:35 AM, Bart van Damme wrote: >> i noticed high noon has been rereleased on dvd, remastered and >> enhanced >> audio and with lots of special features. must make some time to see >> that. > > > The choice of presidents apparently Paul... feeling ambitious? > Anything's > possible now in your country... -Bart ;-) > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3125517.stm > > PRESIDENTS CHOOSE HIGH NOON > > The Western High Noon has emerged as one of the most popular films > requested > by US presidents for screening in the White House. > http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=1282624&frm=sh_google http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=74823 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 11:27:05 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies / allenfilms Yeah, but I was with Lydon all the way with Metal Box. He was pissed off with unthinking punks who dressed like he did three years before and still gobbed at him while spouting empty slogans about anarchy. The audience were dorks. Whereas Allen is just pissed off with his audience because they deigned to laugh at his earlier films and preferred them to his paltry attempts to emulate Ingmar Bergman and Fellini. I'm with his audience all the way on this one. The feeling I got while watching Stardust Memories all those years ago (which stays with me) is that this man has taken my money so he can slag me off. The only valid response seemed to be to take the hint and leave him to it. I haven't paid to see a Woody Allen film since (although I've seen most of the films you mention on TV - I don't regard any of them as anything other than reasonably well made and underwhelming but then Woody has to batter down my intrinsic dislike for him every time!). Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Astbury Sent: 09 October 2003 21:41 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies / allenfilms > I've seen 8 1/2 twice and just don't get it - it's just self-indulgent > to me. It's no coincidence to my mind that it influenced Woody = Allen's > dreadful Stardust Memories, a film which hates itself and its audience > and led to his career being derailed. Heresy! I love SM. So he hates his audience! So what? I don't remember John = Lydon being being particularly fond of his late '78. He went off and = made Metal Box. (In fact "We prefer your early funny films" could easily = be "We prefer your early punk records".) I think Woody went onto a bit of a golden spell in the mid-80's myself. = He mightn't have made anything as good as Manhattan in that decade (I = think it's much better than Annie Hall myself), but with Zelig, Broadway = Danny Rose, Purple Rose of Cairo, Radio Days, Hannah & Her Sisters, = Crimes & Misdeamours, etc he made more great films than he did in the = 70's. I think it's time his career was re-evaluated myself. K. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/9542/allenfilms.html [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of allenfilms.url] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:13:56 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Who'd be a in a band eh? In a message dated 10/10/2003 9:40:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, tim@kidsindestructible.com writes: > 20 years later, ....... you have to sell your Bass on Ebay: And then get stiffed by the buyer, a guy with a two feedback rating who'll never cough up the $5,800 winning bid. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:16:45 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#2562717741: Wire- r... In a message dated 10/10/2003 10:24:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, paulrabjohn@aol.com writes: > Keighley Nikkers club, Great name for a club....you walk in the door and you're already in someone's nikkers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 08:27:43 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Noon bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > The Gary Cooper classic was watched by Bill Clinton 20 times, Bill did the popcorn trick every time, no doubt. >Mr Bush is said to be a fan of Austin Powers Shocker. Lowbrow comedy appeals to idiot. >Mr Bush's favourite film is said to be Steven Spielberg's Oscar winner Saving Private Ryan Wildly overrated. Nevertheless, Georgie managed to miss the point anyway (spoiler): war is bad. Maybe he ought to get someone to explain it to him. (i'm just a ) Bill e =-=-=-=-=-=-=- rp: a veritable crapfest: John Martyn (...and), Olivia Newton John (greatest hits) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 09:04:20 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] resorting to subliminals Mr. Cheney today provided to the press "warnings of mass devastation" if the Bush regime's militaristic efforts are impeded. What's next....Women of Manly Demeanor? Worms Meeting Diurnally? Wiry Mexicans Dancing? bE =-=-=-=-=-=-=- np: nothing. that last little smorgasbord threw me off ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:56:24 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:39:07 -0500 >From: "dan bailey" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Interpol in Atlanta > >just out of curiosity, where's the roxy? only venues i've been to there are >the cotton club (for hot hot heat, buzzcocks & dandy warhols), tabernacle >(pretenders) & echo lounge (wire, mission of burma, fall). > The Roxy is in the Buckhead area of Atlanta and north of all of the venues that you've mentioned. It's on Roswell Road right when Roswell Road forks off from Peachtree Road. I've seen a number of shows at The Roxy, my favorite to date being The Cure when they played one of their small Bloodflowers promo shows at the venue. I had to fake being a 99X Freeloader (member of radio station club) to get tickets, as 99X had roughly 750 of the 1,000 or so available tickets. The tickets I bought were for $36 apiece, and, out of sympathy, I sold my extra one to another poor soul who was trying to fake being a 99X Freeloader at the venue on the sale date. On the day of the show, people were buying scalped tickets for $450 apiece...I had never seen anything like it. After the show, I briefly met Robert Smith and company when some friends and I were walking back to our cars later that night. They were all nice in a next-door neighbor type way, although I admit to having trouble understanding Robert's thick accent. Jason _________________________________________________________________ Instant message during games with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:47:23 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Who'd be a in a band eh? He shouldn't have settled out of court! (Actually, I bet there's not a day in his life that he doesn't think that) Still, selling your bass is surely one step up from playing with Badly Drawn Boy ; ) K. > Anyone considering a career in the music business check this out. > > You see, your band might do a few gigs, cut a demo but eventually fizzle out > and go nowhere. > > On the other hand, your band might sell millions of records and be lauded as > one of the most iconic and influential in history. You may only be the bass > player and somewhat overshadowed by your lead singer who becomes an Icon of > the 80s. However your bass lines are really distinctive, like great lead > guitar parts and add so much to the songs you really deserve a huge credit > for the songs your band recorded. > > 20 years later, ....... you have to sell your Bass on Ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3352946350&category=299 37 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:58:01 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government TFF were a huge disappointment to me. Mad World was excellent in a Wilder kind of way (they openly admitted being influenced by it's production), but Pale Shelter apart, me and them parted ways shortly afterwards. Still, checking out Rolands latest haircut was always good value ; ) Keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government > Hope of the States covered a Tears for Fears song in their gig at ULU > last night (don't know which song, as I never paid TFF any attention but > I was reliably informed of this by friends) so their reformation is > clearly timely. TFF are, of course, from my home town of Bath. In fact > the only name band I can think of who came from there (instead of moving > there like Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammill and, possibly, Alison > Goldfrapp). Which is rather depressing. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Tim **** > Sent: 10 October 2003 14:19 > To: tim@kidsindestructible.com > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government > > * all is right in the world.* > * tears for fears have reformed.* > > TFF.. On ORS.. & Cheggars Plays Pop.. Jumpers for goalposts...Tears in > my > eyes... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:01:54 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 > After the show, I briefly met Robert Smith and company when some friends and > I were walking back to our cars later that night. They were all nice in > a next-door neighbor type way, although I admit to having trouble > understanding Robert's thick accent. I've never met Smith, but from seeing him talking on the telly, I've never thought of him having much of an accent. No wonder they say Kes was re-dubbed for the American market ; ) Keith (wondering if you'd be able to understand my vaguely scouse / vaguely Northern / teeny weeny bit of Welsh accent!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 never considered Robert to have much of an accent at all actually,as for meeting him,as Robert Palmer might have said,'some people have all the luck',Ari Keith Astbury wrote:> After the show, I briefly met Robert Smith and company when some friends and > I were walking back to our cars later that night. They were all nice in > a next-door neighbor type way, although I admit to having trouble > understanding Robert's thick accent. I've never met Smith, but from seeing him talking on the telly, I've never thought of him having much of an accent. No wonder they say Kes was re-dubbed for the American market ; ) Keith (wondering if you'd be able to understand my vaguely scouse / vaguely Northern / teeny weeny bit of Welsh accent!) The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 19:16:57 +0000 From: "Jason Rogers" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 >From: "Keith Astbury" >To: "Jason Rogers" , >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 >Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 18:01:54 +0100 > >I've never met Smith, but from seeing him talking on the telly, I've never >thought of him having much of an accent. No wonder they say Kes was >re-dubbed for the American market ; ) > >Keith (wondering if you'd be able to understand my vaguely scouse / vaguely >Northern / teeny weeny bit of Welsh accent!) > It's probably just me. I've met both of the Gallagher brothers from Oasis in person as well and was hard pressed to understand anything that came out of their mouths. Of course, most people don't warm up to my painfully slow "Howard Cosell" voice, so it's just nature's way of getting even with me. Jason Now Playing: Azure Ray - "Across The Ocean" _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your existing Internet access and enjoy patented spam protection and more. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/byoa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 12:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Eno on Mixing It Did anyone happen to make a recording of last friday's Mixing It with Brian Eno in interview ? Kevin ? Mail me off list.. Cheers Fergus "Art's not a mirror, it's a fucking hammer." Andre Stitt __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:56:56 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V6 #301 > It's probably just me. I've met both of the Gallagher brothers from Oasis > in person as well and was hard pressed to understand anything that came out > of their mouths. It's OK. You wouldn't be missing much ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 09:03:21 +0100 From: "sean bowen" Subject: [idealcopy] np 23 skidoo 'culling' cd reissue on Boutique..at last! Did you actually LIKE "The Culling is Coming" ? - - Isn't it all just inconsequential, arhythmic tuneless noise ? ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #302 *******************************