From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #300 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 10 2003 Volume 06 : Number 300 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wire Brainwashed ["Tim ****" ] [idealcopy] [OT] Equipment upgrade, new tunes, etc. [Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Brainwashed Can't remember if you know but there is some (live & interview) Wire here at the latest Brainwashed Brain http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv06i39.html Tim np - imbeciles 'tricks' _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:05:44 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil > > I have a record of Coil called How to Destroy Angels on LAYLAH. Also a kind of > > drone made from a bang on a can with a large diameter. The sleeve said the > > sound should stimulate male sexual energy. > > Yeah, but does it celibrate it? ;-) > > Bart And how large was the, er, diameter? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 09:31:20 -0700 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [idealcopy] [OT] Equipment upgrade, new tunes, etc. [NOTE: This e-mail is describing some of the musical work I've been doing at home lately. If you have no interest, please delete now. There is no Wire content in here - that I'm aware of, anway. (^_^) ] Hi everyone, As some of you may or may not know, I play music in my spare time. Basically, it's electronica, but the style is more old school - it's not electroclash or IDM or anything. That's probably because of all the analog-type synths I have, and my insistence on recording everything on tape - not using sequencers or virutal synths. I just upgraded my recorder setup to 8 track ADAT, and while the mixing desk isn't quite in place - I'm using my old band's ancient Peavey powered mixer - I was able to record my first song on it. It's here: http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror2/grey_cafe.mp3 Compare and contrast to this recent tune I did on the 4 track. You can really tell the difference if you listen with headphones: http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror2/whistle_stop.mp3 You can hear the above two tunes, plus the rest of the "album in progress" if you click here: http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror2/tunes.m3u Or you can just pull the tracks here: http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror2 and make your own running order. (^_^) The streaming audio is assuming you have broadband connectivity. If not, I think the tunes will download for a while, then start playing automatically. Haven't had a chance to make low bandwidth RealAudio or WindowsMedia versions yet. And, yes, the real Moog synth I own is on both tracks. A little harder to hear on the first track, I admit. (It's doubling the bass line from the Oberheim - adding that phat analog sound! (^_^)) (You saw the pictures, right? http://www.weasel-bot.com/pictures/Moog/ ) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:16:09 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] Equipment upgrade, new tunes, etc. In a message dated 09/10/2003 17:50:14 GMT Daylight Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > http://tenchi.weasel-bot.com/mirror2/tunes.m3u > Hey Paul that's not bad at all.Listening to it all again now while I catch up on mail. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:39:47 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies This might just be a conversation between Bart and me but... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bart van Damme > I've never got on with Fellini - too florid, vulgar and unfocussed for > my taste, Herecy on all counts! He belongs in my top 3 of greatest directors of all time. Shame he's remembered so much for just casting weirdo's, which doesn't do him justice at all. I like his films for their poetry, irony, eclecticism and general lust for life. > although I keep promising myself I should rewatch La Strada sometime to > see if I like it any better now than when I saw it years ago. It's a good Fellini, though not my favorite. I would choose 8 1/2, Satyricon, the autobiographical Amarcord and the small and underrated Orchestra Rehearsal. Love the great soundtracks by Nino Rota as well - one of the best creative marriges in the history of cinema. - --------------------------------------- I've seen 8 1/2 twice and just don't get it - it's just self-indulgent to me. It's no coincidence to my mind that it influenced Woody Allen's dreadful Stardust Memories, a film which hates itself and its audience and led to his career being derailed. Satyricon is just silly and I've not seen Orchestra Rehearsal. I'll grant that Amarcord has some great moments (like the ship appearing in the fog) but a lot of it is just about boys wanking from recollection. Lust for life I'll grant you! - --------------------------------- > Pasolini didn't get going until the 60s so I didn't really consider him. > I like the idea of Pasolini - the gay, Catholic Marxist angle- rather > more than the reality, although the Gospel According to St Matthew and > Accatone are great, unlike much of his late work. Pasolini was credited for co-screenwriting Fellini's early Nights of Cabiria. His best: Oedipous Rex (this one tops even Kurosawa), the Gospel According to St Matthew and the most gruesome Salo - probably the sharpest anti-fascist manifest ever! Has anyone seen that wonderfull documentairy about his murder? It was never really solved, but he was very likely beaten to death by one of his favorite streetboys. There were also rumours that after they were portrayed so viciously in Salo the authorities have put a contract on him. - ------------------------------- I saw Oedipus Rex donkeys years ago and don't remember much detail to be honest. As for Salo - impressive in its sheer vileness but I'm not sure that makes it a good film. It goes too far over the top to be an effective anti-fascist piece for me (unlike Bertolucci's Il Conformista which dissects the fascist thought-process like a surgeon). I saw the documentary which was fascinating. The recollection that they found tyremarks on him has stayed with me - he appears to have been stabbed then run over. Nanni Moretti's scooter ride out to see the death place to the music of Keith Jarrett in Dear Diary was really moving too. - ------------------------------ > Visconti is still something of a blind-spot for me - not helped by the > fact that I had tickets to see two of his films earlier this year which > I gave up to go and see a certain band of our acquaintance. The more elegant of the Italians with a more northern soul it seems. Must see's are: The Damned (it figures), Ludwig and of course Death in Venice - - though I must say I saw it again (3rd time I think) a few years long ago and was grown a bit weary with it. I have the same with Mahler music from it (and Mahler in general) which I used to love enormously. Must be some sort of rite of passage. - ------------------ Yeah, been meaning to see Death in Venice again. We put it on at my school film club and people were still talking about it months later (in terms of 'what was that rubbish' unfortunately). I really liked it but whether it holds up I couldn't say. > I actually quite like Rossellini's immediate post-war trilogy but that > was all 40s (and despite Mark's attempt to stretch the decade I'm > sticking to years beginning in '5'). Don't care for neo-realism much... (except if one should file Scola's "Brutti, Sporchi e Cattivi" under it). > All these directors - and later ones like Bertolucci and Rosi - are > second division at best in my pantheon. None of them have a body of > work - like Bergman, Godard, Rohmer and Bunuel - which stands up as > great, only occasional successes. Although my knowledge of Visconti > still needs work and there are one or two well thought-of works from the > others - Teorema, Voyage to Italy - which I haven't seen. Godard in my taste seems a bit overrated. he's good, but not great. Haven't seen all off his work, but that was mainly due to the fact that the ones I've seen seemed to be made in a rather similar fashion. - --------------------- Talk about heresy! From 59 - 68 or so he just churned out masterpiece after masterpiece. My fave is Le Mepris which would be well inside my top ten - Bardot and Piccoli's argument for half an hour, the camera swaying along the table; Bardot naked on the bed asking Piccoli to say how much he likes parts of her body; the Capri modernist house location; the fab musical refrain, brought in whenever it takes JLG's fancy; Fritz Lang as Fritz Lang. I want to see it again now! Only slightly lower in the pantheon there's Pierrot le Fou, Bande a Parte, A Bout de Souffle, Alphaville, Weekend, Two or Three Things I know about her... Admittedly he went off the rails in the late 60s with the political works and never picked it up again but he'd made a dozen great films by then. - ------------------------ Bertolucci has made a few great ones in the early 70's like Il Conformista and Novocento (1900). Though his Last Tango in Paris seemed interesting, it disappointed in the end (mainly due to the badly written Maria Schneider character). Later works all disappointed me. Bart - ------------------ 1900 was too long and unfocussed - a real disappointment. I much prefer Last Tango although that is a film of its time - but Brando is stunning, one of the great performances. A companion piece to Antonioni's The Passenger, very much a lost film in this country but also with a great performance by Jack Nicholson (and Schneider again). I can take or leave Antonioni's Italian work but really like the hippy period stuff - Blow-Up and Zabriskie Point. Another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 21:40:53 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies / allenfilms > I've seen 8 1/2 twice and just don't get it - it's just self-indulgent > to me. It's no coincidence to my mind that it influenced Woody = Allen's > dreadful Stardust Memories, a film which hates itself and its audience > and led to his career being derailed. Heresy! I love SM. So he hates his audience! So what? I don't remember John = Lydon being being particularly fond of his late '78. He went off and = made Metal Box. (In fact "We prefer your early funny films" could easily = be "We prefer your early punk records".) I think Woody went onto a bit of a golden spell in the mid-80's myself. = He mightn't have made anything as good as Manhattan in that decade (I = think it's much better than Annie Hall myself), but with Zelig, Broadway = Danny Rose, Purple Rose of Cairo, Radio Days, Hannah & Her Sisters, = Crimes & Misdeamours, etc he made more great films than he did in the = 70's. I think it's time his career was re-evaluated myself. K. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/9542/allenfilms.html [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of allenfilms.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:29:22 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government Tisbilli says > all is right in the world. > > tears for fears have reformed. > Woh! Wire had Chairs Missing but TFF has some Big Chairs Get in! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 19:45:33 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] don't worry bout the government nothing to do with chairs (though, come to think of it, i was sitting in one at the time), but whilst at a restaurant the other day, a childhood favorite that i hadn't heard anywhere but my stereo in more than 3 decades came over the p.a. -- hurricane smith's oh babe what would you say. followed closely thereafter by another (slightly more apt to be heard on the radio) long-treasured song from my preteens, freda payne's band of gold. had they somehow come up with bloodrock's doa, the end of the world most certainly would have been nigh. dan >Tisbilli says > > >> all is right in the world. >> >> tears for fears have reformed. >> > >Woh! >Wire had Chairs Missing but TFF has some Big Chairs > > >Get in! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #300 *******************************