From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #298 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 8 2003 Volume 06 : Number 298 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] * * * Anti-War Action! Presents Michael Moore * * * (fwd) [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Chriswire wrote....... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... [Tisbili@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] i see ... ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) [] [idealcopy] ........etc. [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 09:51:32 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] * * * Anti-War Action! Presents Michael Moore * * * (fwd) "Any time you got the Pope and the Dixie Chicks up against you your time is up" Michael Moore Read extracts from Michael Moore's new book 'Dude, where's my country?' here... http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmoore/0,13947,1054220,00.html later A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:58:30 +0100 ATP News Update 02 | October | 2003 Dear ATP friends, Don't miss a once in a lifetime chance to see one of the greatest bands ever ''Iggy & The Stooges'' at ATP this November! Playing all the classics from TV Eye to I wanna be your Dog! They stole the show at this years Coachella festival and tore it up in Detroit recently - and you'd be fucking crazy to miss out! All Tickets for ATP Pacific are being mailed out on Oct 10th. All tickets purchased after Oct 10th will be held for will call/credit card collection. No refunds are being accepted after Oct 10th and all tickets that were purchased as three day passes for the original ATP date in June will be refunded the $15 difference and then your tickets will be converted into a 2 day pass for the event on November 8th & 9th. Foundation and Goldenvoice present: All Tomorrow's Parties Curated by Matt Groening Saturday and Sunday, November 8th and 9th, 2003 At the Queen Mary and in the Queen Mary Events Park 1126 Queens Highway, Long Beach. CA 90802 Saturday, November 8th, 2003 QM Events Park Stage Sonic Youth Built To Spill Modest Mouse The Magic Band The Shins The Black Heart Procession !!! Unknown Hinson The Queen Mary Stage Spoon Mike Watt/George Hurley - (Minutemen Duet) Deerhoof Danielson Famile Daniel Johnston Liarbird + more TBA Sunday, November 9th, 2003 QM Events Park Stage Iggy & The Stooges (Exclusive West Coast Show!!) The Mars Volta Elliott Smith Mission of Burma Har Mar Superstar James Chance & The Contortions Bardo Pond Bangs The Queen Mary Stage Cat Power American Analog Set Carla Bozulich Terry Riley and Stefano Scodonibbio Jackie-O Motherf***er John Wesley Harding Moris Tepper + more TBA Tickets are going fast and are on sale now! Single Day Tickets are $50 + applicable service charges. 2-Day Event Passes are $85 + applicable service charges. Single Day Tickets and 2 Day passes are available online from www.atpfestival.com, Or online at www.ticketmaster.com and at all ticketmaster locations 2-Day Tickets are available with no service charges at Amoeba Music, 6400 Sunset Blvd, Los Angeles CA. All Ages Are Welcome. People under 16 must be accompanied by person aged 18 or over. For updates and more information: www.atpfestival.com The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:32:19 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) > p.s. who is/was this chaos uk person? did i just lump two recently discovered > idiots into one? They are one and the same idiot Paul! [read: "They are one and the same idiot... Paul!" and not "They are one and the same... idiot Paul!"] - -Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 03:44:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) Paul: p.s. who is/was this chaos uk person? did i just lump two recently discovered idiots into one? Bart, They are one and the same idiot Paul! [read: "They are one and the same idiot... Paul!" and not "They are one and the same... idiot Paul!"]-Bart Me:This is one of your 'better' jokes Bart,you get to stay on the list (it is a joke isn't it?) Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 12:46:53 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Weeding, Dirty Den, Japan and John Cale >> I think idiots like that bring our little community somehow closer >> together - in a brotherly sort of way. > Unless its Bill Hick of course. Never a Tim-mail without at least one mentioning of Bill H. eh Tim? ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 12:18:24 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Chapman brothers Our old friends Jake & Dinos have a new exhibition on at the Saatchi gallery http://www.saatchi-gallery.co.uk/current/current.htm no excercise vids on show tho' A ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:04:18 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) >> [read: "They are one and the same idiot... Paul!" >> and not "They are one and the same... idiot Paul!"]-Bart > Me:This is one of your 'better' jokes Bart,you get to stay on the list > (it is a joke isn't it?) Ari Well, we cannot be too carefull with what we say these days... Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:16:30 EDT From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] we can tend to the garden ourselves; was Weeding the insect-headed worker-wife will hang her waspies on the Line. her husband burns his paper, sucks his pipe while studying their cushion-floor, his viscous poly-paste breath comes out. their Wall-paper world is shattered by his shout. a boy in blue is busy Banging out a headache on the kitchen door. all the while graeme Slept on, dreaming of a world where he could do just what he wanted To. no thugs in our house, are there dear? We made that clear, we made little graeme promise us hebd be a good Boy. no thugs in our house, are there dear? we made that clear, we Made little graeme promise us hebd be a good boy. the young policeman who just canbt grow a moustache will Open up his book, and spoil their breakfast with reports of asians who Have been so badly kicked. is this your sonbs wallet Ibve got here? he must have Dropped it after too much beer oh, officer, we canbt believe our little angel is the one Youbve picked. and all the while graeme slept on, dreaming of a world Where he could do just what he wanted to. no thugs in our house, are there dear? We made that clear, we made little graeme promise us hebd be a good Boy. no thugs in our house, are there dear? we made that clear, we Made little graeme promise us hebd be a good boy. they never read those pamphlets in his bottom drawer. they never read that tattoo on his arm. they thought that was just a boys club badge he wore. they never thought hebd do folks any harm. the insect-headed worker-wife will hang her waspies on the Line. shebs singing something stale and simple now this business has Fizzled out. her little tune is such a happy song. her son is Innocent, he canbt do wrong, bcos dadbs a judge and knows exactly what The job of judgingbs all about. and all the while graeme slept on, Dreaming of a world where he could do just what he wanted to. no thugs in our house, are there dear? We made that clear, we made little graeme promise us hebd be a good Boy. no thugs in our house, are there dear? we made that clear, we Made little graeme promise us hebd be a good boy. no thugs in our house ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:22:58 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Chriswire wrote....... > Christ, image the pressure of representing the feminine on the Wire list. > > Bart? Yeah... Imagine that you ol' flirt! -Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:54:12 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies >> Isn't it weird it was Laughton's first and only movie? I would >> love to have seen more. Truely great and haunting piece of work. > Haunting indeed. Perhaps it's a bit cloying in places, (the > bits with Lillian Gish playing 'Mumsy' are laid on a bit thick, if you ask > me), but it's utterly *beautifully* shot. The scene with the kids escaping > downriver in the boat, passing various fauna in particular are memorable. I > too wonder why Mr Laughton never made another film? As far as I know, it was > critically well-recieved at the time, or do you know different? I'm not sure. It wasn't because he past away - he didn't die till '62. Liked his acting in Spartacus ('60) too. >>> Touch of Evil - Orson Welles 1958 > Have you seen the re-cut version of this that was put together five > or six years back? It was re-done according to the editing scheme Welles > himself set out in a lenghy memo (32 pages!) that he sent to the studio > prior to it's original edit and release, pleading with the studio bosses not > to molest his masterwork. They ignored him, of course, but now that's been > rectified, and IMHO, it works better. It's a classic however it's cut, > though. Haven't seen it, but would love to. Is it on DVD? Invite me over and I'll bring crisps and beer ;-) Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:25:51 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed > (Actually I was in school with a lad > called Les Baines. Wouldn't have had him down a JD fan though!) Did he go out with Joy Davidson? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:26:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed > Dan's missing out on my favorite Costello, i.e., GET > HAPPY!!, Mine too. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:49:00 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chriswire wrote....... In a message dated 10/6/03 8:13:08 PM Central Daylight Time, threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com writes: > Often wondered what our Graemes conterpart would be like...........Ari it would probably be like that episode of Red Dwarf where they all meet their women versions from an alternate reality.. RL np - Manitoba "Up in Flames" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 11:27:04 -0400 From: Tisbili@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > I wouldn't say the US are a joke when it comes to sports (talking > governments is a different story of course - don't tell me > Arnie's really > winning California!) Hey now...it's not like we have a monopoly on absurd politics: Eurostat LePen; L'Affaire Dreyfus; Elf Dame Shirley, Hinduja, Profumo fistfights in the Diet Communism Mugabe, Amin and any other president for life Fujimori Cicciolina Politics is a cesspool regardless of its national origins. I don't like voting for anybody who actually wants to run....but I vote. Politics is the reality TV of our generation. Bread & Circuses, anyone? This is what you want...this is what you get. That said, I'd still take the genius behind 'Jingle all the Way" ahead of most others for entertainment value alone. BiLLe =-=-=-=-=-=- np: xtc english settlement ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:26:59 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... > LePen > Communism > Mugabe, Amin > Cicciolina Hey, don't file the heroic Miss Ilona Staller with fascists and cannibals! Her eating of human flesh is of a whole different order! Libera la Liberta! http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/actors/cicciolina/ Bart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:44:47 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] i see ... that steffi graf & andre agassi named their new offspring "jaz." killing joke fans? the child's predecessor is, of course, a youth ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 20:18:16 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] i see ... > that steffi graf & andre agassi named their new offspring "jaz." killing > joke fans? the child's predecessor is, of course, a youth ... > > dan I bet they don't move to Newcastle... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:18:59 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies In a message dated 10/7/03 9:55:11 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > I >> too wonder why Mr Laughton never made another film? As far as I know, >it was >> critically well-recieved at the time, or do you know different? > >I'm not sure. It wasn't because he past away - he didn't die till '62. >Liked his acting in Spartacus ('60) too. i don't recall if it was panned by the critics, but i'm pretty sure it was not well received and failed at the box office, which apparantly discouraged laughton enough to not return to directing. prehaps he would've tried again had he lived longer. - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 19:22:32 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) In a message dated 10/7/03 6:37:12 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > >[read: "They are one and the same idiot... Paul!" >and not "They are one and the same... idiot Paul!"] thanks friend, otherwise i'd have to ask miles to push the button again [as in he'd have to press it again, and not that i asked him the first time] ;o) paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 18:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] ........etc. Sorry The Frank Zappa reference is lost on me.... what is it? f you listen to Franks words one soon realizes he is into what I can only describe as 'the psychology of mind',purely from that perspective I'd be interested to know why he picks on you,Billie and Robert,it's not as if any one of you posts anything that could be construed as remotely offensive. Do you *really* want to know why Graeme picks on me??? Only if you want to tell me (and it'll go no further) Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 09:18:02 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] 50's movies Sorry I'm a bit late with this... > I've never got on with Fellini - too florid, vulgar and unfocussed for > my taste, Herecy on all counts! He belongs in my top 3 of greatest directors of all time. Shame he's remembered so much for just casting weirdo's, which doesn't do him justice at all. I like his films for their poetry, irony, eclecticism and general lust for life. > although I keep promising myself I should rewatch La Strada sometime to > see if I like it any better now than when I saw it years ago. It's a good Fellini, though not my favorite. I would choose 8 1/2, Satyricon, the autobiographical Amarcord and the small and underrated Orchestra Rehearsal. Love the great soundtracks by Nino Rota as well - one of the best creative marriges in the history of cinema. > Pasolini didn't get going until the 60s so I didn't really consider him. > I like the idea of Pasolini - the gay, Catholic Marxist angle- rather > more than the reality, although the Gospel According to St Matthew and > Accatone are great, unlike much of his late work. Pasolini was credited for co-screenwriting Fellini's early Nights of Cabiria. His best: Oedipous Rex (this one tops even Kurosawa), the Gospel According to St Matthew and the most gruesome Salo - probably the sharpest anti-fascist manifest ever! Has anyone seen that wonderfull documentairy about his murder? It was never really solved, but he was very likely beaten to death by one of his favorite streetboys. There were also rumours that after they were portrayed so viciously in Salo the authorities have put a contract on him. > Visconti is still something of a blind-spot for me - not helped by the > fact that I had tickets to see two of his films earlier this year which > I gave up to go and see a certain band of our acquaintance. The more elegant of the Italians with a more northern soul it seems. Must see's are: The Damned (it figures), Ludwig and of course Death in Venice - though I must say I saw it again (3rd time I think) a few years long ago and was grown a bit weary with it. I have the same with Mahler music from it (and Mahler in general) which I used to love enormously. Must be some sort of rite of passage. > I actually quite like Rossellini's immediate post-war trilogy but that > was all 40s (and despite Mark's attempt to stretch the decade I'm > sticking to years beginning in '5'). Don't care for neo-realism much... (except if one should file Scola's "Brutti, Sporchi e Cattivi" under it). > All these directors - and later ones like Bertolucci and Rosi - are > second division at best in my pantheon. None of them have a body of > work - like Bergman, Godard, Rohmer and Bunuel - which stands up as > great, only occasional successes. Although my knowledge of Visconti > still needs work and there are one or two well thought-of works from the > others - Teorema, Voyage to Italy - which I haven't seen. Godard in my taste seems a bit overrated. he's good, but not great. Haven't seen all off his work, but that was mainly due to the fact that the ones I've seen seemed to be made in a rather similar fashion. Bertolucci has made a few great ones in the early 70's like Il Conformista and Novocento (1900). Though his Last Tango in Paris seemed interesting, it disappointed in the end (mainly due to the badly written Maria Schneider character). Later works all disappointed me. Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V6 #298 *******************************