From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V6 #297 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 7 2003 Volume 06 : Number 297 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Fw: history lesson ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] OT String-rewriting systems ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Miles wrote.......... [=?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man] Re: [idealcopy] Miles wrote.......... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Svankmajer and so forth ["Ian B" ] [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed [Miles Goosens ] Re: [idealcopy] Miles wrote.......... ["Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: history lesson the history of the internet... Subject: history lesson http://www.thelemon.net/issues/timeline.php ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:55:08 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wir-like poetry >> http://www.yhchang.com/DAKOTA.html00 > all I get on this is 'file not found'...........Ari sorry, should've been: http://www.yhchang.com/DAKOTA.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 10:21:39 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff I'm away from the list for the weekend, and you crazy kids had to have a party, and this guy you didn't know got in and relieved himself in the living room. *Sigh.* If I had been at the computer on Friday, I would have bounced Mr. Bigmuff immediately. As it is, I'm doing it first thing today. In general, you guys were admirably restrained in dealing with this person. And no, I don't know if it's Jam Master DJ Nana in another guise. Up until now, I've left this as an "open" list, i.e., anyone can join without my approval. But this has me rethinking the policy. Setting subscriptions to approval-only is more hassle on my side, but maybe it'd be worth it if we could weed out these guys on the front end. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:36:25 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... non footie fans , pardon me this one but some may find this amusing........ great news from hollywood.........a film about that soccerball game. concentrating on the epic victory over those awful english in the 1950 world cup , naturally. starring gavin rossdale of popular beat combo "bush" as stan mortensen. and who said no interesting movies get made these days , eh? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:54:36 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff In a message dated 10/6/03 11:14:45 AM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: >Up until now, I've left this as an "open" list, i.e., anyone can join without >my approval. But this has me rethinking the policy. Setting subscriptions >to approval-only is more hassle on my side, but maybe it'd be worth it >if we could weed out these guys on the front end. probably not necessary. your time is valuable and it doesn't happen often enough to be anything more than a little nuisance (speaking for myself at least). - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:00:59 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... In a message dated 10/6/03 10:40:51 AM Central Daylight Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: > non footie fans , pardon me this one but some may find this amusing........ > > great news from hollywood.........a film about that soccerball game. > concentrating on the epic victory over those awful english in the 1950 world > cup , > naturally. starring gavin rossdale of popular beat combo "bush" as stan > mortensen. > > and who said no interesting movies get made these days , eh? > > p yes, this stupid film was mostly shot here in my hometown of St. Louis...in a largely Italian area called "The Hill" because of the huge soccer tradition here in St. Louis, and because of the 50's architecture that still stands in that area...AND because several of the players on that USA squad were from St. Louis...... one of the sons from the Television sitcom "Home Improvement" is in the film and i had the misfortune of seeing his ugly mug at several places around town and he is an obnoxious jerk who harrasses waitresses and says things like: "don't you know who i am?" (pathetic) ..and then explains how he is an actor blah blah....and then bitches about his bill..... until our fairly decent showing in the last World Cup, all the USA has ever clinged to, was the ages old win over England....what a joke we are.... RL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:37:04 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] radio The radio show meant to air last week, but instead forgotten whilst I slept so soundly will air at 3 PM, EST today, Monday, Oct, 6th http://www.wcbn.org/listen.html Time Zone conversion: http://www.convertit.com/Go/ConvertIt/World_Time/ Time_Zones_Map_Large.ASP http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ http://members.tripod.com/~mark_fitz/timezone.htm Hope you'll be listening again, Ed Special ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:25:11 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff > I'm away from the list for the weekend, and you crazy kids had to have a > party, and this guy you didn't know got in and relieved himself in the living > room. *Sigh.* > > If I had been at the computer on Friday, I would have bounced Mr. Bigmuff > immediately. As it is, I'm doing it first thing today. In general, you guys > were admirably restrained in dealing with this person. And no, I don't know > if it's Jam Master DJ Nana in another guise. > > Up until now, I've left this as an "open" list, i.e., anyone can join without > my approval. But this has me rethinking the policy. Setting subscriptions to > approval-only is more hassle on my side, but maybe it'd be worth it if we > could weed out these guys on the front end. > later, > Miles >> don't worry little Bart, i'm sure daddy will make the bad man go away. Never before has the sentence "who's your daddy?" been more appropriate ;-) > probably not necessary. your time is valuable and it doesn't happen > often enough to be anything more than a little nuisance (speaking for > myself at least). Quite agreed! Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:33:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff What the hell did I miss? wnd3 --- Bart van Damme wrote: > > I'm away from the list for the weekend, and you > crazy kids had to have a > > party, and this guy you didn't know got in and > relieved himself in the living > > room. *Sigh.* > > > > If I had been at the computer on Friday, I would > have bounced Mr. Bigmuff > > immediately. As it is, I'm doing it first thing > today. In general, you guys > > were admirably restrained in dealing with this > person. And no, I don't know > > if it's Jam Master DJ Nana in another guise. > > > > Up until now, I've left this as an "open" list, > i.e., anyone can join without > > my approval. But this has me rethinking the > policy. Setting subscriptions to > > approval-only is more hassle on my side, but maybe > it'd be worth it if we > > could weed out these guys on the front end. > > > later, > > > Miles > > > >> don't worry little Bart, i'm sure daddy will make > the bad man go away. > > Never before has the sentence "who's your daddy?" > been more appropriate ;-) > > > probably not necessary. your time is valuable and > it doesn't happen > > often enough to be anything more than a little > nuisance (speaking for > > myself at least). > > Quite agreed! > > Bart ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! 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Bart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:03:58 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff >> Never before has the sentence "who's your daddy?" >> been more appropriate ;-) > does this make Miles "Homer" ??? > i hope not...that would mean he is yellow Are ya calling us yellow dude? Well are ya? Bart (little fists up) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:03:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] larry tee In a message dated 10/6/03 2:46:44 PM Central Daylight Time, urilliasekt@yahoo.com writes: > > now... based on what i have read about larry tee, the > electroclash thing sounds like a big ugly sham...>>>> it is a sham...and the sad part is; a few decent groups have been lumped in with the movement (i.e. Ladytron & Goldfrapp) a marketting scam like rave... a new way to sell old > drugs to new kids in old clubs.>>>>> it is... though he is now > allegedly off drugs... >>>> he isn't...not that it matters > > honestly, he sounds like a business man... one of > those scummy promoters who helps major record labels > design the new artless trends of a five year fiscal > period.>>>>> he is....he is friends with a scummy local promoter here in St. Louis (David Alter of Superstars of Love..who is constantly bouncing back and forth between Chicago, St. Louis, and NYC for bilking people of money)..and i can tell you from inside information...it is ALL one big sham....a lot of these scummy promoters don't give a damn about music.they are just exploiting drug casualties and kids..believe it or not, some of the biggest and "hottest" DJ's are faking it...just playing perfectly programmed cds and mp3's and pretending to spin records.....and most of these people just use the "rave" or club scene promotions as a front for the more lucrative drug trade....not that i am rocket scientist who just alerted you to anything surprising or anything.... RL NP-Robin Rimbaud - "The Garden is Full of Metal" - (A Homage to Derek Jarman) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:06:59 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff Yeah, I agree with Paul here - and how would you know who to weed out, Miles? Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: 06 October 2003 16:55 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] attack of the bigmuff In a message dated 10/6/03 11:14:45 AM, outdoorminer@mindspring.com writes: >Up until now, I've left this as an "open" list, i.e., anyone can join without >my approval. But this has me rethinking the policy. Setting subscriptions >to approval-only is more hassle on my side, but maybe it'd be worth it >if we could weed out these guys on the front end. probably not necessary. your time is valuable and it doesn't happen often enough to be anything more than a little nuisance (speaking for myself at least). - -paul c.d. www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:38:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Miles wrote.......... >Up until now, I've left this as an "open" list, i.e., anyone can join without my approval. But this has me rethinking the policy. Setting subscriptions to approval-only is more hassle on my side, but maybe it'd be worth it if we could weed out these guys on the front end.< .............................................................................................. Dunno 'bout the rest of you but I think you should keep the list 'open' Miles,seems a shame to put you to all that work for the odd asshole that may come along once a year or so............what do y'all think fellahs?,plus it gives us someone else to pick on and give Bart a rest now and then........Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:41:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Monochromatic=20Man?= Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miles wrote.......... open > Dunno 'bout the rest of you but I think you should > keep the list 'open' Miles,seems a shame to put you > to all that work for the odd asshole that may come > along once a year or so............what do y'all > think fellahs?,plus it gives us someone else to pick > on and give Bart a rest now and then........Ari > The New Yahoo! 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Robert np - Zoviet France - The Decriminalisation of Country Music (message to Fergus: let me know if you have this or not) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:02:00 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Svankmajer and so forth - ----- Original Message ----- From: > > Bah! the finest in animation are without a doubt; Jan Svankmajer and the Quay > Brothers.....Svankmajer's "Alice" and the Quay's "Street of Crocodiles" are > wonderous.... > > RL I'd go some way to agreeing with Robert here (just catching up on email) certainly regarding Svankmajer. Have you seen Dimensions of Dialogue, Robert? The Quay Brothers I always found more 'difficult' though. Intriguing, but difficult. Haven't seen anything by them for several years now. They did some promos for His Name is Alive which I enjoyed (or remember enjoying - can't for the life of me recall what they consisted of). Ian B (fresh from Killing Joke at Leeds Met Uni last night and various Leeds International Film Festival screenings; possibly The Fall tomorrow; - KJ were extremely good) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:05:01 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) At 09:06 PM 10/6/2003 +0100, Keith Knight wrote: >Yeah, I agree with Paul here - and how would you know who to weed out, >Miles? Well, I wouldn't know exactly, as anyone can get a dozen new e-mail addresses within a few minutes. But by making list membership require moderator approval, I could get a chance to see where the request is coming from and if there are any telltale signs that it's a miscreant we booted off before. Prospective subscribers could also be made to write a brief message saying why they'd want to join. It'd be just a sentence or two, but a lot of casual trolls wouldn't even bother with that. It's just an idea, and the only additional work is on me. For all of you already on the list, nothing would change. Regular list traffic wouldn't require any approvals, just the addition of new members. Anyway, I've decided nothing. Could be just me overreacting to averting my gaze for a few days, only to return to listfolk being called names by some goofball for three days running. I guess it depends on annoying these drive-by idiots are to y'all. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:13:23 +0100 From: Andrew Walkingshaw Subject: Re: [idealcopy] radio On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 12:37:04PM -0400, Ed Special wrote: > The radio show meant to air last week, but instead forgotten whilst I > slept so soundly will air at 3 PM, EST today, Monday, Oct, 6th I'll be making my return to the airwaves at 5pm-7pm GMT this Friday. The show this week is going to be fairly mainstream, so don't expect too staggering; it's a guide to gigs in Cambridge in the term ahead. Hopefully, the show will be archived in RealAudio for your future enjoyment, also. Normal programming will resume in due course. http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ Best wishes, - - Andrew - -- home - email: andrew@lexical.org.uk http://www.lexical.org.uk/ work - email: adw27@esc.cam.ac.uk http://www.esc.cam.ac.uk/ radio: http://www.cur1350.co.uk/ blog: http://www.lexical.org.uk/blog/ "/Peep/". 'Yes?' "More cooookiessssss..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:35:08 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed ...not at the incursion of the BigMuff80s guy, but that Dan Bailey just became the third human being ever to agree with me that ARMED FORCES isn't nearly as good as THIS YEAR'S MODEL. AF is always the one that critics usually pick as the *best* Elvis Costello, and to me, while the songs are solid, the performances are tepid, like those "2 1/2 years" were starting to catch up with the band. I'll hear the AF demos on the THIS YEAR'S MODEL reissues (I assume that the Rhino bonus disc has all the Ryko bonus tracks; I've not bothered to re-reinvest in this third round of EC on CD) and get all excited about the AF songs, then I'll play AF itself and remember why I never liked it much. On the other hand, Dan's missing out on my favorite Costello, i.e., GET HAPPY!!, plus a clutch of other really good E.C. albums (TRUST, IMPERIAL BEDROOM, KING OF AMERICA, BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE). He's never been one of my *very* favorites, and his late '90s EZ listening guise bores me to tears, but when he's good, he's very good. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:48:06 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Miles wrote.......... 1. Entrance exam 2. Photo 3. CV 4. Short essay on why they want to join 5. Home visit by Miles ; ) > open > > > > Dunno 'bout the rest of you but I think you should > > keep the list 'open' Miles,seems a shame to put you > > to all that work for the odd asshole that may come > > along once a year or so............what do y'all > > think fellahs?,plus it gives us someone else to pick > > on and give Bart a rest now and then........Ari ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:51:13 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] maybe i'm amazed > ...not at the incursion of the BigMuff80s guy, but that Dan Bailey just became the third human being ever to agree with me that ARMED FORCES isn't nearly as good as THIS YEAR'S MODEL. OK. Make me the 4th! > On the other hand, Dan's missing out on my favorite Costello, i.e., GET HAPPY!!, plus a clutch of other really good E.C. albums (TRUST, IMPERIAL BEDROOM, KING OF AMERICA, BLOOD AND CHOCOLATE). Trust is the under-rated one IMO. > He's never been one of my *very* favorites, and his late '90s EZ listening guise bores me to tears, but when he's good, he's >very good. Or was! K. NP Joy Division - les bains douches (Actually I was in school with a lad called Les Baines. Wouldn't have had him down a JD fan though!) > > later, > > Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:12:04 +0100 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... > non footie fans , pardon me this one but some may find this amusing........ > > great news from hollywood.........a film about that soccerball game. > concentrating on the epic victory over those awful english in the 1950 world cup , > naturally. starring gavin rossdale of popular beat combo "bush" as stan > mortensen. > > and who said no interesting movies get made these days , eh? > > p The authenticity of the film is what interests me. I read that the promotion listed one player as having played for Wolverton Wolves! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 17:21:44 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) as the recipient of the abuse this time around (solely because i decided to respond to the first idiot's blasting of lefties & gays [& to think my supposed political incorrectness almost certainly contributed to my most recent job loss!] ... certainly, i should've said nothing, which i guess would've left the second idiot without an opening to express scorn for the mentally disadvantaged, which happens to be the sort of thing that probably has as much as anything to do with starting me -- whose sister is down's syndrome -- down the path to antiauthoritarianism way back in my early teens) god*damn*, i do digress, don't i? anway -- my vote: miles, save yourself the trouble & leave things open. ignoring idiots like bigmuff, chaos uk & djnanananananananaheyheygoodbye is pretty easily done. of course, looking back, maybe these people can be pretty accurately prejudged by their choice of email handle ... the listmember formerly known as tube disaster >At 09:06 PM 10/6/2003 +0100, Keith Knight wrote: >>Yeah, I agree with Paul here - and how would you know who to weed out, >>Miles? > >Well, I wouldn't know exactly, as anyone can get a dozen new e-mail addresses within a few minutes. But by making list membership require moderator approval, I could get a chance to see where the request is coming from and if there are any telltale signs that it's a miscreant we booted off before. Prospective subscribers could also be made to write a brief message saying why they'd want to join. It'd be just a sentence or two, but a lot of casual trolls wouldn't even bother with that. > >It's just an idea, and the only additional work is on me. For all of you already on the list, nothing would change. Regular list traffic wouldn't require any approvals, just the addition of new members. > >Anyway, I've decided nothing. Could be just me overreacting to averting my gaze for a few days, only to return to listfolk being called names by some goofball for three days running. I guess it depends on annoying these drive-by idiots are to y'all. > >later, > >Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:46:29 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) In a message dated 06/10/2003 21:59:04 GMT Daylight Time, wireadmin@mindspring.com writes: > Anyway, I've decided nothing. Could be just me overreacting to averting my > gaze for a few days, only to return to listfolk being called names by some > goofball for three days running. I guess it depends on annoying these > drive-by idiots are to y'all. > > later, > > Miles > I think idiots like that bring our little community somehow closer together - in a brotherly sort of way. However it would be nice as mentioned before to have more female list members coming forward & airing their views.Granted that there must only be a handful at most. Chris NP. David Sylvian/Japan - Remastered series. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 01:40:33 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Weeding, Dirty Den, Japan and John Cale Chriswire says > > I think idiots like that bring our little community somehow closer together - > in a brotherly sort of way. Unless its Bill Hick of course. One has to earn the right to be openly abusive to your fellow listees. You need to write a few good articles for Wireviews, Brainwashed etc. before you earn the right to e-mail ME off list and tell ME simply to 'Drop Dead' as Bill (aka Graeme Rowland) did recently after I criticised HIS facial hair. Well, like Dirty Den off Eastenders, I dodged his bullets and have crawled out of the Canal. (Humble apologies to non BBC viewers) >However it would be nice as mentioned before to > have more female list members coming forward & airing their views.Granted that > there must only be a handful at most. Are there any anymore? Is this really just a pipesmoking post-punk gentlemans club? "Women of the World Take Over...If you don't this World will come to an end. And it won't take long....." > > Chris > NP. David Sylvian/Japan - Remastered series. I heard 'Red Guitar' last night for the first time since I was a kid of 11....I recall being a bit freaked out by it at the time. It would have been on rotation on Wonderful Radio 1 275-285 Medium Wave...and what was that noise and how did he fit the words into that chorus? An extraordinary record and one of the more interesting top 20 hits of 1984 although it sounded somehow more exotic on my dads AM car radio. I'm not a huge Japan fan but I love the way they had managed to get really strange records like Ghosts into the charts by being somehow seen as a pretty boy teenband for a few months in the early 80s by Smash Hits.... NP: John Cale: Hobosapiens (I love this! Great mix of booming Welsh vocals, viola and Pro-tools. Like Wire did this year...old man Cale makes some inspiring computer music while the Indie royalty is wallowing in 1978. Stick yer valve amps up yer backside White Stripes et al....) High Llamas: Beet Maize & Corn (Still coming up with new chord changes I haven't heard before, lots of notes some of them in the right order) Television: Marquee Moon Redux. (Indie Royalty is wallowing in 1978 but seems to have forgotten this one. First band with 'The' in their name with two lead guitarists doing anything approaching this wins Glastonbury headline slot...although Sonic Youth had a good try on their last LP) "Top Shop Out of Ten" (Paul Morely) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:12:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Chriswire wrote....... I think idiots like that bring our little community somehow closer together - in a brotherly sort of way. However it would be nice as mentioned before to have more female list members coming forward & airing their views.Granted that there must only be a handful at most. Chris Wholeheartedly agree,the one sad note of this list is the lack of feminine input to just about everything that gets aired here. Often wondered what our Graemes conterpart would be like...........Ari The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:40:31 -0700 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Chriswire wrote....... However it would be nice as mentioned >before to have more female list members coming forward & airing their >views.Granted that there must only be a handful at most. > >Chris >Wholeheartedly agree,the one sad note of this list is the lack of feminine input to just about everything that gets aired here. Often wondered what our Graemes conterpart would be like ...........Ari ///////////////////////// Christ, image the pressure of representing the feminine on the Wire list. Bart? Eric in Toronto PS. Miles. Open. I agree with all the above. ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 23:33:23 -0400 From: Ed Special Subject: [idealcopy] * * * Anti-War Action! Presents Michael Moore * * * (fwd) > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > ANTI-WAR ACTION! Presents: > > MICHAEL MOORE, and his new book - Dude, Where's My Country? > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > This is a free event: > Sunday October 12th > At the Power Center > 6:00pm > > Free reserve tickets through Michigan Union Ticket Office > (in the basement of the Union or call 734-763-TKTS) > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Sponsored by: The Ginsberg Center, Progressive Democrats, Justice for > Bhopal, Ann Arbor Area Committee for Peace, MSA Peace and Justice > Commission, Muslim Student Association, University Activities Center. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Flint native Michael Moore, creator of the documentaries Bowling for > Columbine, The Big One, and Roger & Me; the movie Canadian Bacon; and > the > TV magazine TV Nation, as well as author of Stupid White Men and > Downsize > This! presents his newest book - Dude, Where's My Country? - > > I have written a new book, and this Tuesday it's being released. It's > called, "DUDE, WHERE'S MY COUNTRY?" Because its content is likely to > upset > more than a few people, the publisher has "embargoed" the book until > midnight Monday (which means no store or media outlet or anyone has > access > to a copy of the book until then). They have taken these measures > because I > have written a book that seeks not to defeat the Bush people next > year, but > to have them removed from Washington right now. I know, I'm not asking > for > much. But I have spent the better part of the past year researching and > writing this new book, and when you read it you'll see why the current > criminal investigation of the White House for outing a CIA agent in > revenge > is, in my opinion, just the tip of the iceberg. I can only hope that my > book will make a small contribution toward that day when we'll see one > long > perp walk of administration officials in handcuffs being led out of the > White House and into a waiting paddy wagon. Like I said, I'm not > asking for > much. If you get the New York Times, you may have noticed a mysterious > ad > for the past four days in the Arts section. Each day, the ad simply > asks a > new, pointed question of Mr. Bush. They are questions from my new book, > from a chapter entitled, "Seven Questions for George of Arabia." We are > running one ad each day until the book comes out on Tuesday. In case > you've > missed them, here are the first four: > 1. Dear Mr. Bush, is it true that the bin Ladens have had business > relations > with you and your family off and on for the past 25 years? > 2. Dear "Mr. President," what is the "special relationship" between > the Bushes > and the Saudi royal family? > 3. Dear "Mr. President," who attacked the United States on September > 11th > -a guy on dialysis from a cave in Afghanistan, or our friends, the > Saudi Arabians? > 4. Dear "Mr. President," why did you allow a private Saudi jet to fly > around the > U.S. in the days after September 11th and pick up members of the bin > Laden family > and then fly them out of the country without a proper investigation by > the FBI? > In my book, I provide some of the answers and all of the background > evidence. > It is astounding, and it is criminal. Will there be one Democrat in > Congress > willing to begin the investigation? > > Michael Moore ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:27:09 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) In a message dated 10/6/03 6:23:20 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >of course, looking back, maybe these people can be pretty accurately > >prejudged by their choice of email handle ... oh i dunno, the big muff IS a classic electro-harmonix box. i'm just disappointed with the content of his emails :o) - -paul (thinkin of changin my email addy to "dr Q") c.d. p.s. who is/was this chaos uk person? did i just lump two recently discovered idiots into one? www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 00:30:34 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the process of weeding out (was: attack of the bigmuff) In a message dated 10/6/03 6:46:55 PM, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: >it would be nice as mentioned before to >have more female list members coming forward & airing their views.Granted >that >there must only be a handful at most. and only if they're all really hot :o) - -another the paul www.mp3.com/winteracademy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 08:58:38 +0100 From: Alistair Tear Subject: RE: [idealcopy] thwack of the leather..... Aw c'mon Robert we Scots have been doing it since at least the 14th century....;-) A > until our fairly decent showing in the last World Cup, all > the USA has ever > clinged to, was the ages old win over England....what a joke > we are.... > > RL > ************************************************************************* The contents of the e-mail and any transmitted files are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Transport for London Street Management hereby excludes any warranty and any liability as to the quality or accuracy of the contents of this e-mail and any attached transmitted files. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify postmaster@Streetmanagement.org.uk. 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